does the UN run the US?

[anonymous]

[SIZE=+3]LEON PANETTA: "INTERNATIONAL PERMISSION" TRUMPS CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY FOR MILITARY ACTIONS

[/SIZE]<dl><dt>PHOENIX - Leon Panetta shocked congress today speaking as though the Constitution doesn't apply when he stated: "International permission trumps congressional permission for military actions" when questioned by the Senate armed services committee

on what “legal basis” was needed to initiate a no-fly zone over Syria.​

</dt></dl> So the Obama administration cites "International Permission" Not congressional approval for military actions. (Watch the shocking clip below)...





What in the good God is wrong with Leon Panetta or the Obama administration to think that the United States military (that is owned and paid for by U.S. citizens), is controlled and dictated by a foreign body of government other than representatives of the United States citizens? The United Nations or any International government has no power to dictate to the United States military. WAKE UP PEOPLE.

I've been listening to Alex Jones radio show today, the military is calling in with disgust.

Is this an overreaction or is this the first step to something big?

LINK

 

[thoughtone]

 

[Cruise]

I saw this on another board.

Why not just drop the pretense that the US Military is anything more than dumb, brute, thugs of the President of the United States, Wall Street, and Israel?

 

[Lamarr]

Ok, so Panetta gets his orders from the UN!

I wonder if Obama get his orders from the UN also?

Remember Bush's New World Order speech from 1991?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

this is only controversial to some because many lost the ability to listen or think.

For the US to do anything militarily, international permission does trump congressional permission and it's been proven clearly in the last 40 yrs. A President can find any number of ways to use the American military without congressional permission but we need a types of aid from other nations when doing so, you need other countries' permission to use their airspace, for example. If the Arab League doesn't sign off, it's unlikely we would have done anything in Libya. "International" doesnt necessarily equate to "the UN".
This would change if Congress was ever resolute enough to end funding for any military exercises they didn't authorize.

 

[thoughtone]

Ok, so Panetta gets his orders from the UN!

I wonder if Obama get his orders from the UN also?

Remember Bush's New World Order speech from 1991?

I wonder who Lamarr takes his order from.

 

[Deuterion]

The scariest thing is how candid these crooks say this. Panetta just looked at him and repeated the same thing 3 times like "nigga, what part of 'we gonna do it our way' don't you understand?"

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The scariest thing is how candid these crooks say this. Panetta just looked at him and repeated the same thing 3 times like "nigga, what part of 'we gonna do it our way' don't you understand?"

It's because Congress is pussy so you can tell them how it's going down and they won't do jack about it.

 

[anonymous]

Some people will never see the conspiracy in something til it comes out ten years later declassified.

Remember this: Those that thought Obama was real and not an actor, really believed he wouldn't sign the NDAA. They tell you what they want you to hear, not what they're actually doing..

Obama was only put in the presidency as a strategy to shut everyone up and calm them down after Americans were reaching a boiling point with bush. It worked. Black people will live and die with Obama because of race, not his actions.

Problem, Reaction, Solution is always at work.

 

[Lamarr]

this is only controversial to some because many lost the ability to listen or think.

not necessarily true, it doesn't require a lot of thought, refer to the Constitution and "Only Congress has the power to declare war." What happened to "peace & free trade with all, entangling alliances with none"?

For the US to do anything militarily, international permission does trump congressional permission and it's been proven clearly in the last 40 yrs. A President can find any number of ways to use the American military without congressional permission but we need a types of aid from other nations when doing so, you need other countries' permission to use their airspace, for example. If the Arab League doesn't sign off, it's unlikely we would have done anything in Libya. "International" doesnt necessarily equate to "the UN".

I'll agree that presidents in my lifetime have manufactured reasons to get us into endless wars but I still fall back on the principle; Only Congress has the power to declare war, therefore ALL SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED. We're traveling down the same path regardless of the party in control.

Statements like Panetta's are how dictatorships are formed. I don't know if you favor a dictatorship or not, but we are straying away from the Constitution. No matter how flawed the document is/was, there are to be 3 equal branches of govt. Panetta's statement makes the legislative branch.....ceremonial, at best.

Issues like the Patriot Act, NDAA, undeclared Wars, along with the national debt makes it kinda obvious the direction the country is going in. Those that don't learn from history are destined to repeat it!

This would change if Congress was ever resolute enough to end funding for any military exercises they didn't authorize.

Agreed!

you need other countries' permission to use their airspace, for example. If the Arab League doesn't sign off, it's unlikely we would have done anything in Libya.

I'm callin BS on this one. Did Obama have any permission to fly drones over Iran, Pakistan, Somalia?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

not necessarily true, it doesn't require a lot of thought, refer to the Constitution and "Only Congress has the power to declare war." What happened to "peace & free trade with all, entangling alliances with none"?



I'll agree that presidents in my lifetime have manufactured reasons to get us into endless wars but I still fall back on the principle; Only Congress has the power to declare war, therefore ALL SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED. We're traveling down the same path regardless of the party in control.

Statements like Panetta's are how dictatorships are formed. I don't know if you favor a dictatorship or not, but we are straying away from the Constitution. No matter how flawed the document is/was, there are to be 3 equal branches of govt. Panetta's statement makes the legislative branch.....ceremonial, at best.

Issues like the Patriot Act, NDAA, undeclared Wars, along with the national debt makes it kinda obvious the direction the country is going in. Those that don't learn from history are destined to repeat it!

All of that falls back on Congress. They make themselves ineffectual by not doing the one thing they can do to enforce their authority when it comes to the military: cut funding.

I'm callin BS on this one. Did Obama have any permission to fly drones over Iran, Pakistan, Somalia?

You know we had permission for drone strikes in Pakistan. That was something of a scandal not too long ago where it was revealed that they had given permission but if something went wrong would take the heat locally.
Nothing odd about flying spy drones over Iran since that type of espionage goes back to at least the Cold War and we've done it and been the victims of it.
And those, and Somalia, are different from what I was talking about and Panetta was referencing.

 

[pookie]

Seems like to me america is tell every body else what to do including the united nations. That is why almost a million blacks were killed in rwanda. Regan tried to paint botha up as a good man and had put military bases on alert to send them to south africa to fight to keep botha in power killing blacks. Congress stopped that because he was trying to start a war without letting them know what was going on.
There is a better way of life than these world governments. And they have always tried to keep this better way of life from coming to power. That is why they killed jesus.
The world's best kept secret is that our health is our only real wealth. Every man's controls his surroundings. Once he loses control of his surroundings he cease to be a man. That is why we are molded into being in control by an outside force other than ourselves.
Drug them and control them is the way of the world. If they get to natural and start becoming themselves then there is a problem.

http://blacknation.vpweb.com/

 

[nittie]

Don't know if the U.N. runs things but when American Presidents bow to Saudi Kings we know something is wrong with this picture.

 

[pookie]

Them bowing is for show. They fear america just like every other country.

 

[nittie]

It seems like there is a new world order maybe not the one Bush I envisioned and maybe it is but now terrorism, drugs, politics, war are all funded by the same people the U.S. Justice department is being investigated for money laundering and gun running.

 

[QueEx]

it seems like there is a new world order maybe not the one bush i envisioned and maybe it is but now terrorism, drugs, politics, war are all funded by the same people the u.s. Justice department is being investigated for money laundering and gun running.

? ? ?

 

[nittie]

The U.S. Justice dept is being investigated for drug money laundering and gun smuggling. Drug money funds terrorism, Saudis financed 9-11 it's all starting to run together the idea of sovereign nations is disappearing.

 

[GET YOU HOT]

It's because Congress is pussy so you can tell them how it's going down and they won't do jack about it.

OBAMA IMPEACHMENT BILL NOW IN CONGRESS

The full wording of H. Con. Res. 107, which is currently referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary, is as follows:

Expressing the sense of Congress that the use of offensive military force by a president without prior and clear authorization of an act of Congress constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution.

Whereas the cornerstone of the Republic is honoring Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that, except in response to an actual or imminent attack against the territory of the United States, the use of offensive military force by a president without prior and clear authorization of an act of Congress violates Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under Article I, Section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution and therefore constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/obama-impeachment-bill-now-in-congress/

 

[thoughtone]

OBAMA IMPEACHMENT BILL NOW IN CONGRESS



http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/obama-impeachment-bill-now-in-congress/

So what. Why is this noteworthy? The republican strategy is to attempt to impeach every democratic President. How far do you think this will go with the democratically controlled Senate. Republicans will stop at nothing to discredit President Obama. Haven't you figured out by now that republicans have no scruples?

 

[GET YOU HOT]

So what. Why is this noteworthy? The republican strategy is to attempt to impeach every democratic President. How far do you think this will go with the democratically controlled Senate. Republicans will stop at nothing to discredit President Obama. Haven't you figured out by now that republicans have no scruples?

I quoted Lamar thought think first, for one, then respond...

It's noteworthy, trust. And yes they tried to impeach Bush and Clinton, the list goes on...

 

[thoughtone]

I quoted Lamar thought think first, for one, then respond...

It's noteworthy, trust. And yes they tried to impeach Bush and Clinton, the list goes on...

No they did impeach Clinton, but the Senate acquitted him. The only other President to be impeached was Andrew Johnson. Even Nixon wasn't impeached, he resigned. Not likely for President Obama. Like I said, the Tea Party controlled congress can throw any obstacles in president Obama's way... like try to impeach him for not being born in the US? I know Lamarr posted it, he's a conspiracy theorists. I expect him to post such things. Only conspiracy theorists would give a second thought to this dribble. Oh, that's right, you are one.

 

[GET YOU HOT]

No they did impeach Clinton, but the Senate acquitted him. The only other President to be impeached was Andrew Johnson. Even Nixon wasn't impeached, he resigned. Not likely for President Obama. Like I said, the Tea Party controlled congress can throw any obstacles in president Obama's way... like try to impeach him for not being born in the US? I know Lamarr posted it, he's a conspiracy theorists. I expect him to post such things. Only conspiracy theorists would give a second thought to this dribble. Oh, that's right, you are one.

I like how you are quick to dismiss factual information and mistaken it for anything but truth, now THINK
Did you goo goo I mean google it you know the government monitors all the search engines

Way deeper than a theorist...

 

[Lamarr]

I quoted Lamar thought think first, for one, then respond...

Ain't gon' happen, I've been sayin that since i stepped inside the board!

 

[Lamarr]

I know Lamarr posted it, he's a conspiracy theorists. I expect him to post such things. Only conspiracy theorists would give a second thought to this dribble. Oh, that's right, you are one.

Thought1, "one" what?

 

[GET YOU HOT]

Ain't gon' happen, I've been sayin that since i stepped inside the board!

I am sticking to my guns and I will be watching to see if Panetta the Generals and Commander in Chief, still believe they can over ride the Congress or they will go Bush style and orchestrate an event...

 

[QueEx]

this is only controversial to some because many lost the ability to listen or think.

For the US to do anything militarily, international permission does trump congressional permission and it's been proven clearly in the last 40 yrs. A President can find any number of ways to use the American military without congressional permission but we need a types of aid from other nations when doing so, you need other countries' permission to use their airspace, for example. If the Arab League doesn't sign off, it's unlikely we would have done anything in Libya. "International" doesnt necessarily equate to "the UN".
This would change if Congress was ever resolute enough to end funding for any military exercises they didn't authorize.

Somehow, the essence of this post seems to have been lost on most.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I like how you are quick to dismiss factual information and mistaken it for anything but truth, now THINK
Did you goo goo I mean google it you know the government monitors all the search engines

Way deeper than a theorist...

You didn't post any factual information though. In fact, Thought was correct so if you decide to stick to your guns, that's on you. But that's a blatant engagement in willful ignorance.

Somehow, the essence of this post seems to have been lost on most.

I'm used to it. It's my life story.

 

[Majestic Lion]

"Permission" is a moot point when you're demanding it from a position of strength. Economic, military, covert...pick your poison, the result is the same.

As far as the UN controlling anything, no. It's a marketplace that's primarily funded by the G8. If you think he people who pay the bills are going to be dictated to, you might as well believe in the power of the free market or some such fairy tale.

 

[pookie]

WHEN WE WENT INTO IRAQ IT WAS AGAINST THE UNITED NATIONS. BUT AFTER WE GOT OUR HANDS FULL. THE UNITED NATIONS WERE FORCED TO HELP. AMERICA IS TELLING THE WORLD WHAT TO DO. A GROUP OF WHITES SENT OVER HERE FOR SOME LAND WHICH TO BUILD ANOTHER WHITE NATION.

http://blacknation.vpweb.com/

 

[nittie]

The world is moving towards corporatism America is not the power it use to be but the U.N. does not tell it what to do that would be China and to a lesser extent probably some Arab families.

 

[thoughtone]

Somehow, the essence of this post seems to have been lost on most.

The Tea party is going to impeach President Obama, that's important!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

WHEN WE WENT INTO IRAQ IT WAS AGAINST THE UNITED NATIONS. BUT AFTER WE GOT OUR HANDS FULL. THE UNITED NATIONS WERE FORCED TO HELP. AMERICA IS TELLING THE WORLD WHAT TO DO. A GROUP OF WHITES SENT OVER HERE FOR SOME LAND WHICH TO BUILD ANOTHER WHITE NATION.

The UN never really came to our aid in Iraq as much as a loose coalition of countries, many of which never sent one soldier.

The Tea party is going to impeach President Obama, that's important!

They go to sleep at night wishing they could.

 

[GET YOU HOT]

You didn't post any factual information though. In fact, Thought was correct so if you decide to stick to your guns, that's on you. But that's a blatant engagement in willful ignorance.



I'm used to it. It's my life story.

Nothing remains to be said, this situation will play itself out, regardless of the long list of ignorance. I post factual information according to actual public information and i know much more, which i willfully do not post #period

 

[thoughtone]

Nothing remains to be said, this situation will play itself out, regardless of the long list of ignorance. I post factual information according to actual public information and i know much more, which i willfully do not post #period

and i know much more, which i willfully do not post #period

What, do you have a DOD top secret clearance or something?

 

[GET YOU HOT]

What, do you have a DOD top secret clearance or something?

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