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  1. MCP

    MCP International Member ****


    ON TUESDAY MORNING, President Donald Trump tweeted: “For the record, I have no financial interests in Saudi Arabia (or Russia, for that matter). Any suggestion that I have is just more FAKE NEWS (of which there is plenty)!”

    Is this yet another barefaced lie from the commander-in-chief?

    In this video essay, I examine Trump’s long history of doing deals with Saudi royals and look back at how the former reality TV star even bragged about his financial ties to the kingdom during the election campaign. I also highlight the controversial payments made by the Saudi government to Trump-owned properties since the Republican businessman entered the White House.

    With the president refusing to take a strong stance against the Saudi government’s alleged murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, I ask: “Does Saudi Arabia own Donald Trump?”
  2. LennyNero1972

    LennyNero1972 Sleeping Deity. BGOL Investor

    Looks like the obvious answer would be a big FAT ASSED "YES" !!!!!!!!!
  3. the artist

    the artist Same shit, different day BGOL Investor

    Them and Russia both

    COINTELPRO Well-Known Member BGOL Investor

    Below I will detail briefly tactics that are used by whites against other groups; and how other groups neutralize them. We could definitely look for Jamal Khashoggi in our community that are causing harm for financial gain.


    It is a common strategy for whites to recruit somebody within you group to attack you first. This is to avoid appearing as a directly racist attack, they are just assisting a faction within your group. The North Koreans used a similar attack against Sony when they tried to come out with a movie about assassinating Kim Jong Un. Here again, an Asian (Japanese) company came out with a movie about assassinating Kim Jong Un that was used as a cover by whites. After infiltrating their IT systems they released all of their confidential files to publicly humiliate the company, right before the release of the movie. They also pre released some of the films that were in development.

    I have also come across these tactics in various forms, we have many people within the black community that are agents of white supremacy such as Boyce Watkins. Many are motivated by financial gain that is covertly provided to them after the fact.

    The Saudi took a page out of the North Korean playbook, made a preemptive move. Knowing some fool that was Muslim that would be recruited by whites that would openly denounce them.
  5. QueEx

    QueEx Well-Known Member Super Moderator

    Obviously . . .

    GAMETHEORY Well-Known Member BGOL Investor

    Saudi Arabia OWNS America
  7. QueEx

    QueEx Well-Known Member Super Moderator

    Turkish official: Jamal Khashoggi’s body was dissolved in acid
    Advisor to President Erdoğan says ‘the reason they dismembered Khashoggi’s body was to dissolve his remains more easily.’


    By Paul Dallison

    The body of journalist Jamal Khashoggi was dissolved in acid after his murder at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, according to an adviser to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

    “The reason they dismembered Khashoggi’s body was to dissolve his remains more easily,” Yamal Aktay said in an interview with Hurriyet Daily newspaper. “Now we see that they did not only dismember his body but also vaporized it.”
    “The murder of an innocent person is one crime,” Aktay said. “The treatment of the body is a separate crime.”

    Late last month, Erdoğan said the 18 men arrested by Saudi Arabia and suspected of involvement in what he called the “gruesome murder” of Khashoggi should face trial in Turkey.

    “This is my proposal and my request because this is where the incident took place,” he told his parliamentary group.

    Meanwhile, the Washington Post, citing an unnamed official, said “biological evidence” found in the consulate’s garden suggested that because of acid “Khashoggi’s body was not in need of burying.”

    The journalist’s body has still not been found a month after his disappearance on October 2, when he entered the consulate.

  8. QueEx

    QueEx Well-Known Member Super Moderator

    CIA concludes Saudi crown prince ordered Jamal Khashoggi's death, sources say

    By Elise Labott,
    Veronica Stracqualursi
    and Jeremy Herb,
    Sat November 17, 2018


    (CNN)The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman personally ordered the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, despite the Saudi government's denials that the de facto ruler was involved, according to a senior US official and a source familiar with the matter.

    The senior US official told CNN on Friday the conclusion is based on a recording provided by the Turkish government and other evidence, including American intelligence.

  9. QueEx

    QueEx Well-Known Member Super Moderator

    Trump says reports that CIA has tied Saudi prince to Khashoggi murder are 'premature'

    By Jordyn Phelps
    and Anthony Rivas
    Nov 17, 2018

    WATCH: Many are wondering how President Trump will respond to new claims, concluding that Bin Salman reportedly ordered the Washington Post columnist's murder.

    President Donald Trump said late Saturday that it's "too early" to say whether Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman was behind the killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, and described multiple news reports saying the CIA has concluded the crown prince was directly involved as “premature.”

    The president said that the U.S. government will complete a “full report” by Tuesday.

  10. QueEx

    QueEx Well-Known Member Super Moderator

    Trump's manic statement letting Saudi Arabia off the hook for Khashoggi reveals a dark US secret

    President Donald Trump and other leaders touring the Global Center for Combatting Extremist Ideology in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, in 2017.
    Reuters/Jonathan Ernst

    • President Donald Trump issued a bizarre statement Tuesday explaining why he would take no action against Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman even though the de facto Saudi leader may well have had the journalist Jamal Khashoggi brutally murdered.
    • Trump's statement was full of falsehoods and makes for a frightening read, but it reveals a dark secret about US foreign policy: It needs Saudi Arabia and has always turned a blind eye.
    • Accepting the killing of Khashoggi is horrific, but the US can't really pursue regime change in Saudi Arabia without opening itself up to extreme danger.
    • Khashoggi's killing has turned much of the US media into an organ of foreign intelligence services that want to hurt US-Saudi ties and that might not be putting "America first."
    "America First!

    "The world is a very dangerous place!"

    That's how President Donald Trump opened up a particularly bizarre statement Tuesday in which he explained that the US would stand by its ally Saudi Arabia even though the kingdom's crown prince and de facto ruler, Mohammed bin Salman, may have had the journalist Jamal Khashoggi brutally murdered in Istanbul.

    The statement met near-universal disgust, but it reveals a dark truth of US foreign policy: It abides human-rights horrors from Saudi Arabia because, for seven decades, US presidents have decided they have to.

    While Trump's exclamation-point-filled statement was anything but normal, the US ignoring Saudi human-rights atrocities is the norm in this relationship.

    On August 9, for example, Saudi Arabia dropped a US-made bomb on a school bus in Yemen and killed 40 children, and the US and Europe continued with arms sales to the kingdom.

    The transparent anti-Saudi media operation
    A Turkish investigator searching the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul where the journalist Jamal Khashoggi disappeared.

    "It could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event - maybe he did and maybe he didn't!" Trump's statement said.

    "That being said, we may never know all of the facts surrounding the murder of Mr. Jamal Khashoggi," it continued.

    Both of these statements play coy with a mountain of evidence that the Saudi royals, and not rogue agents in their inner circle yet beyond their control, ordered the killing and dismemberment of a journalist living in the US. That said, they're both most likely true.

    No US inspector ever entered the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul where the October 2 killing took place. It was two weeks before any outside inspector stepped foot in that consulate.

    Read more: Here's everything we know about the troubling disappearance and death of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi

    In fact, almost all of what the public knows about Khashoggi's killing has been leaked to the Turkish media from anonymous Turkish intelligence sources. Turkey under President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has purged its press, military, and spy services to the point where none are independent.

    "Members of the Turkish political establishment are looking to use this crisis for the benefit of Turkey," Sanam Vakil, a senior consulting research fellow in the Middle East North Africa Programme, told Business Insider.

    Juicy leaks from Turkish intelligence can be read as an attempt to force a recalibration of US-Saudi ties, Vakil said. (You can read more on that subject here.)

    For over a month now, a steady drip of leaks has provided ever more grisly details about the killing, keeping the story in the news and keeping the pressure on leaders day after day.

    But if Turkey is so sure that Crown Prince Mohammed had Khashoggi killed in Istanbul, then why hasn't it moved against him either?

    Erdogan has described Khashoggi's death as a murder ordered by the "highest levels" of Saudi leadership, but he's made no formal charges over the killing even though it took place in his country.

    Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir said of Turkey's unofficial accusations: "They are leaks that have not been officially announced, and I have noticed that they are based on an assessment, not conclusive evidence."

    No European leader has blamed Crown Prince Mohammed, either. Germany barred some of the men charged by Saudi Arabia, widely seen as accomplices or scapegoats, and cut arms sales to the kingdom. The US did pretty much the same with sanctions and scaling back its military support for the war in Yemen.

    "I don't think that Washington or Paris or London are looking necessarily to sanction MBS personally" but rather wish for more accountability from the kingdom, Vakil said, referring to the crown prince by his initials.

    But for all the outrage over Trump's indelicate statement, what's the alternative?

    What does putting "America First" in regard to Saudi policy look like? Essentially, it comes down to keeping a US-friendly regime in place in Riyadh.

    The US has no alternative to the crown prince, Tony Badran, a research fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, told Business Insider.

    If Trump called on Crown Prince Mohammed to step down, essentially regime change in Saudi Arabia, it could end horrifically for the US.

    "The potential for destabilization is there," Badran said. "The whole approach of people calling for this flippantly, breathlessly, is just absurd. You cannot possibly imagine how the dynamics are going to go. You can't game it out."

    For years, Al Qaeda has argued that "the Saudi regime stands only as a tool of the Americans and that if you destabilize the relationship then the Saudi relationship falls and [Al Qaeda] will inherit the place," Badran said.

    The world's 1.6 billion Muslims are all required by their faith to visit the Saudi city of Mecca in their lifetime.

    If Saudi Arabia, the custodian of the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, came under the power of an openly anti-US regime, it could cause incalculable damage to the US.

    Trump is still wrong, though
    Trump delivering a speech at the Arab-Islamic-American Summit in Riyadh in 2017.
    REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

    The reasons Trump brings up for his continued support of Saudi Arabia don't make a strong case. He lists Saudi's job creation in greatly exaggerated terms.

    Read more: Trump frets over arms sales as worldwide outrage grows over disappearance of Saudi critic

    Trump says Russia and China would swoop in with arms sales if the US withdraws, but Russia and China don't make Patriot missiles or bombs that fit on US-made F-15 fighter jets.

    Also, the idea that Saudi Arabia badly wants to provide humanitarian assistance to the same people it blockaded in Yemen amid one of the worst cholera and famine outbreaks in modern history is dubious.

    "Carte blanche to Saudi Arabia and let's just talk about Iran all the time," Vakil said, characterizing Trump's statement. "This is where he makes a lot of European political leaders uncomfortable."

    Khashoggi remembered
    The fiancée of Khashoggi posted a touching tribute for him on Twitter.
    Screenshot/Twitter/Hatice Cengiz

    Much of the US press has fumed over Trump's handling of Khashoggi's death, given his role as a journalist writing columns for The Washington Post.

    But Khashoggi, who died at 59, spent 57 years in Saudi Arabia, spending much of that time working as an operative for the kingdom in its pre-reform days. He worked closely with Osama bin Laden in the 1990s before cutting ties after September 11, 2001. After that heworked closely with Saudi intelligence as an operative.

    At The Post, he advocated changes in Saudi's government once Crown Prince Mohammed took power and started on his attempts to overhaul the Saudi economy and introduce some social reform.

    In his last column for The Post, Khashoggi said the Arab world most needed a free press.

    "A state-run narrative dominates the public psyche, and while many do not believe it, a large majority of the population falls victim to this false narrative," Khashoggi wrote. "Sadly, this situation is unlikely to change."

    Ironically, Khashoggi's death turned much of the US media into an outlet for foreign intelligence services and state narratives aimed at harming the US-Saudi alliance, which may not be in the best interest of the US public.

    MASTERBAKER ヽ(͡° ͜ʖ Grown Folks Board/cooking♥️ Super Moderator

    Can we send him there with all his family?

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    QueEx Well-Known Member Super Moderator

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    QueEx Well-Known Member Super Moderator

    Is Trump Compromised by Saudi Money?

    The incoming chairman of the House Intelligence Committee wants to know, saying the president hasn’t been honest in accepting Saudi denials in the Khashoggi murder.

    President Donald Trump and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in the Oval Office in MarchEVAN VUCCI / ASSOCIATED PRESS
    On Thanksgiving Day, President Donald Trump once again touted the Saudi royal family’s denial of any role in the murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi. That didn’t sit well with Representative Adam Schiff, the California Democrat poised to take over the House Intelligence Committee.

    “The president is not being honest with the country about the murder of Jamal Khashoggi,” Schiff said Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union, having promised to use his new authority to investigate whether Trump’s personal finances influence his foreign policy. “Is his personal financial interest driving U.S. policy in the Gulf? … Are there financial entanglements with the Gulf? Are there financial inducements that the president has not to want to cross the Saudis?”

    Although Trump tweeted last month that he has “no financial interests in Saudi Arabia,” he has in the past acknowledged business ties with the kingdom. “Saudi Arabia, I like the Saudis,” he said at a July 2015 campaign rally. “I make a lot of money with them. They buy all sorts of my stuff. All kinds of toys from Trump. They pay me millions and hundreds of millions.” The Associated Press reported that in the 1990s, when Trump was “teetering on personal bankruptcy and scrambling to raise cash,” a billionaire Saudi prince twice closed on multimillion-dollar deals, including one to buy a 282-foot yacht called Princess. More recent business comes through Saudi stays at Trump hotels during his presidency, though PolitiFact reports that the Trump Organization doesn’t appear to own property or invest in the kingdom.

    These concerns about Trump’s financial entanglements with Saudi Arabia parallel suspicions about possible financial connections to Russia, which Schiff also promised to investigate, including “whether the Russians have been laundering money through the president’s businesses, and this is the financial hold that the Russians may have. It would certainly explain the otherwise bewildering conduct of the president in Helsinki, many of the president’s pro-Putin comments. It would explain why his sons have said at various times they don’t need money from U.S. banks—they get all the money they need from Russia.”

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  16. QueEx

    QueEx Well-Known Member Super Moderator


    Runs in a pattern, unless you're DRUNK !

  17. QueEx

    QueEx Well-Known Member Super Moderator

    Jared Kushner advised Saudi prince on how to 'weather' Khashoggi slaying, report says

    December 9, 2018

    Jared Kushner Gave Saudi Crown Prince Advice After Khashoggi Slaying: NY Times
    Kushner has reportedly flouted White House protocol by having private, informal conversations with Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
    By Dominique Mosbergen
    12/09/2018 08:21 AM ET

    Saudi Prince MBS Cultivated Ties With Kushner for Two Years: NYT
    Alan Levin
    December 8, 2018,


    The Wooing of Jared Kushner: How the Saudis Got a Friend in the White House

    CreditJonathan Ernst/Reuters

    The New York Times
    By David D. Kirkpatrick,
    Ben Hubbard,
    Mark Landler
    and Mark Mazzetti
    Dec. 8, 2018

    Senior American officials were worried. Since the early months of the Trump administration, Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and Middle East adviser, had been having private, informal conversations with Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the favorite son of Saudi Arabia’s king.

    Given Mr. Kushner’s political inexperience, the private exchanges could make him susceptible to Saudi manipulation, said three former senior American officials. In an effort to tighten practices at the White House, a new chief of staff tried to reimpose longstanding procedures stipulating that National Security Council staff members should participate in all calls with foreign leaders.

    But even with the restrictions in place, Mr. Kushner, 37, and Prince Mohammed, 33, kept chatting, according to three former White House officials and two others briefed by the Saudi royal court. In fact, they said, the two men were on a first-name basis, calling each other Jared and Mohammed in text messages and phone calls.

    The exchanges continued even after the Oct. 2 killing of Jamal Khashoggi, the Saudi journalist who was ambushed and dismembered by Saudi agents, according to two former senior American officials and the two people briefed by the Saudis.
    As the killing set off a firestorm around the world and American intelligence agencies concluded that it was ordered by Prince Mohammed, Mr. Kushner became the prince’s most important defender inside the White House, people familiar with its internal deliberations say.

    Mr. Kushner’s support for Prince Mohammed in the moment of crisis is a striking demonstration of a singular bond that has helped draw President Trump into an embrace of Saudi Arabia as one of his most important international allies.

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