Does Abraham Lincoln belong on a Black History Month Poster?

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I'm only interested in responses from BLACK MEN. Not Black women, not whites, not latinos, JUST BLACK MEN. I don't need/want a history lesson. I know about the Emancipation Proclamation, the Union Army, etc. I'm only asking if you feel his face should be inculded on a Black History Month poster. I'm not talking about anything else. Just whether you feel his face, picture and/or image should be included on a BLACK HISTORY MONTH poster.

And I know you disgusting racist ass crakkkas will respond with some BS so fuck you in advance.


I say no.
 
Racist LINCOLN QUOTE:

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The man was a racist/white supremacist. That's all we need to know and he should not be glorified as someone that "freed" the slaves. Thus, he should not be on any poster.
 
Poster hell no... I think he was a good president tho.

But yes that quote sums it up. History books make Honest Abe out to be this revolutionary thinker that loved black people so much that he decided to save us...Lol. Fuck out of here...Nah he was just a good politician...
 
My answer must be no. This speech is just one of the reasons.
This excerpt is from the speech he gave during the fourth Lincoln / Douglas presidential debate. It occurred after Douglas stated that Lincoln favored equality of the races. Anyone interested in reading the complete response can go to this link:www.nps.gov/liho/historyculture/debate4.htm
 
Abe was a Mulatto who hated his African lineage. They have slowly "kknocked" the curls out of his head over time and even lightened up his complexion. He is smiling in his grave. But he damn sure don't need to be given a spot on the Black history poster since he never truly freed any Blacks.
 
"I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free"

Fuck him, abe did not give not one single fuck about us, it was purely a political and strategic move
 
I don't think he necessarily deserves to be on a poster celebrating Black History month, but I think he should be viewed in full, complicated context.

He was a man of his time whose views evolved. Frederick Douglass gave a speech on that very thing.

He pressed the passage of the 13th Amendment when he didn't have to, and he did it at great political risk because he came to be repulsed by slavery. There's enough evidence to support that, as is there stories of him telling n* gg*r jokes as a young lawyer.

He did drop that quote in 1858 on being against equality, yet 7 years later at the end of the Civil War in his last public addresss, he expressed support for black people gaining the right to vote with nothing to gain politically and ultimately wind up costing him his life as that was reportedly what drove John Wilkes Booth over the edge.

So, while I don't think he deserved to be held up as purely heroic and noble, I think his legacy does deserve respect and to be viewed with a nuanced eye. History is not full of heroes with altruistic aims, just imperfect men who either had the courage to ultimately do the right thing by whatever motive... or not.

We fully comprehend the relation of Abraham Lincoln both to ourselves and to the white people of the United States. Truth is proper and beautiful at all times and in all places, and it is never more proper and beautiful in any case than when speaking of a great public man whose example is likely to be commended for honor and imitation long after his departure to the solemn shades, the silent continents of eternity. It must be admitted, truth compels me to admit, even here in the presence of the monument we have erected to his memory, Abraham Lincoln was not, in the fullest sense of the word, either our man or our model. In his interests, in his associations, in his habits of thought, and in his prejudices, he was a white man.

He was preeminently the white man’s President, entirely devoted to the welfare of white men. He was ready and willing at any time during the first years of his administration to deny, postpone, and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people to promote the welfare of the white people of this country. In all his education and feeling he was an American of the Americans. He came into the Presidential chair upon one principle alone, namely, opposition to the extension of slavery. His arguments in furtherance of this policy had their motive and mainspring in his patriotic devotion to the interests of his own race. To protect, defend, and perpetuate slavery in the states where it existed Abraham Lincoln was not less ready than any other President to draw the sword of the nation. He was ready to execute all the supposed guarantees of the United States Constitution in favor of the slave system anywhere inside the slave states.

(White citizens)You are the children of Abraham Lincoln. We are at best only his step-children; children by adoption, children by forces of circumstances and necessity. But while in the abundance of your wealth, and in the fullness of your just and patriotic devotion, you do all this, we entreat you to despise not the humble offering we this day unveil to view; for while Abraham Lincoln saved for you a country, he delivered us from a bondage, according to Jefferson, one hour of which was worse than ages of the oppression your fathers rose in rebellion to oppose.

Despite the mist and haze that surrounded him; despite the tumult, the hurry, and confusion of the hour, we were able to take a comprehensive view of Abraham Lincoln, and to make reasonable allowance for the circumstances of his position. It mattered little to us what language he might employ on special occasions; it mattered little to us, when we fully knew him, whether he was swift or slow in his movements; it was enough for us that Abraham Lincoln was at the head of a great movement, and was in living and earnest sympathy with that movement, which, in the nature of things, must go on until slavery should be utterly and forever abolished in the United States. -- Frederick Douglass
 
Poster hell no... I think he was a good president tho.

But yes that quote sums it up. History books make Honest Abe out to be this revolutionary thinker that loved black people so much that he decided to save us...Lol. Fuck out of here...Nah he was just a good politician...

While I don't believe that he should be on any Black History Month poster and while he did indeed make racist statements, peeps seem to think that he stopped @ the Emancipation Proclamation in terms of what he did for slaves, has EVERYONE straight up forgotten the 13th Amendment to the Constitution, the Amendment that legally freed ALL slaves?!?

Passed by Congress on January 31, 1865, and ratified on December 6, 1865, the 13th amendment abolished slavery in the United States.
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The 13th amendment, which formally abolished slavery in the United States, passed the Senate on April 8, 1864, and the House on January 31, 1865. On February 1, 1865, President Abraham Lincoln approved the Joint Resolution of Congress submitting the proposed amendment to the state legislatures. The necessary number of states ratified it by December 6, 1865. The 13th amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

In 1863 President Lincoln had issued the Emancipation Proclamation declaring “all persons held as slaves within any State, or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.” Nonetheless, the Emancipation Proclamation did not end slavery in the nation. Lincoln recognized that the Emancipation Proclamation would have to be followed by a constitutional amendment in order to guarantee the abolishment of slavery.

The 13th amendment was passed at the end of the Civil War before the Southern states had been restored to the Union and should have easily passed the Congress. Although the Senate passed it in April 1864, the House did not. At that point, Lincoln took an active role to ensure passage through congress. He insisted that passage of the 13th amendment be added to the Republican Party platform for the upcoming Presidential elections. His efforts met with success when the House passed the bill in January 1865 with a vote of 119–56.

With the adoption of the 13th amendment, the United States found a final constitutional solution to the issue of slavery. The 13th amendment, along with the 14th and 15th, is one of the trio of Civil War amendments that greatly expanded the civil rights of Americans.

Actions speak louder than words, who knows that if Lincoln didn't make those racist comments if he EVER would have been elected President, and if he's not elected President does the abolition of ALL slavery happen in the 19th century, if even @ all?!?:confused:
 
I don't think he necessarily deserves to be on a poster celebrating Black History month, but I think he should be viewed in full, complicated context.

He was a man of his time whose views evolved. Frederick Douglass gave a speech on that very thing.

He pressed the passage of the 13th Amendment when he didn't have to, and he did it at great political risk because he came to be repulsed by slavery. There's enough evidence to support that, as is there stories of him telling n* gg*r jokes as a young lawyer.

He did drop that quote in 1858 on being against equality, yet 7 years later at the end of the Civil War in his last public addresss, he expressed support for black people gaining the right to vote with nothing to gain politically and ultimately wind up costing him his life as that was reportedly what drove John Wilkes Booth over the edge.

So, while I don't think he deserved to be held up as purely heroic and noble, I think his legacy does deserve respect and to be viewed with a nuanced eye. History is not full of heroes with altruistic aims, just imperfect men who either had the courage to ultimately do the right thing by whatever motive... or not.


Co-sign.

While I do believe that Lincoln himself felt that Whites were superior to Blacks, he nonetheless abhorred the institution of slavery and his moves in office bear out this fact.
 
Co-sign.

While I do believe that Lincoln himself felt that Whites were superior to Blacks, he nonetheless abhorred the institution of slavery and his moves in office bear out this fact.

It wasn't about abhorring SLAVERY, it's about saving the UNION and keeping it intact....& that's what he did....
 
It wasn't about abhorring SLAVERY, it's about saving the UNION and keeping it intact....& that's what he did....

You're talking about the Emancipation Proclamation, which indeed was about saving the Union, the tide of the war had already turned when he pushed for and finally got the 13th Amendment to the Constitution passed, since his War Powers, which he used to make the Emancipation Proclamation, did NOT extend to the border states.

Put it this way, during the Civil War slavery was not practiced but was legal in New Jersey, and was still so after the Emancipation Proclamation, but not after the 13th Amendment, understand?
 
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