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That's kinda fucked up tho cuz I swear porn let these companies get away w/ what is considered illegal for citizens (prostitution, underage girls, knowingly fuckin w/ stds etc)
nothing happened to them???
In May 1986, authorities discovered she had been underage while making pornographic movies and arrested her, as well as the owners of her movie agency and X-Citement Video, Inc. (See United States v. X-Citement Video.) The ensuing prosecution against the agencies cost the pornographic film and distribution industry millions of dollars, as they were obliged by law to remove hundreds of thousands of her videotapes, films and magazines from store shelves to avoid the risk of prosecution for trafficking in child pornography. (The legality varies with countries: For example, while it is illegal in France to produce a pornographic film involving an actor under 18, the film remains legal.[7])
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traci_Lords
She caused a spotlight to shine on the porn business, which until then had enjoyed a low public profile. Authorities served search warrants and subpoenas at pornography production, marketing and distribution firms on the east and west coasts.
South and two producers were indicted for sexual exploitation of a minor, and the government tried to build a federal racketeering case against those who knowingly utilized underage talent in their porn productions. They beat the case, although they say they spent more than $1 million doing so.
The Lords videotapes were declared a violation of child pornography laws, and federal government ordered them pulled from circulation and destroyed, costing the porn industry millions of dollars.
The lone criminal conviction was against Rubin Gottesman, owner of X-Citement Video of Van Nuys, Calif., who was convicted of "knowingly" shipping Lords videos in violation of the federal order. Gottesman appealed, arguing that the language of the law was confusing. Ultimately, the United States Supreme Court upheld his conviction in 1994.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/traci_lords/6.html
everyone involved got arrested and spent major $$$ defending themselves.
the law is HARSHER now.
so what were you saying?
huh, what are you talking about?
He was speaking about how some girls will lie about their age and the guys get convicted. I was showing that sometimes you can blatantly fuck underage girls and everyone knows it and it isn't an issue depending who you are, but at the same time saying that a black guy in atlanta did the same thing and was jailed. It's a little off topic because he was talking about casual sex between individuals as opposed to a company violating the law.
By raped he means statutory rape which is still basically rape
nothing happened to them???
In May 1986, authorities discovered she had been underage while making pornographic movies and arrested her, as well as the owners of her movie agency and X-Citement Video, Inc. (See United States v. X-Citement Video.) The ensuing prosecution against the agencies cost the pornographic film and distribution industry millions of dollars, as they were obliged by law to remove hundreds of thousands of her videotapes, films and magazines from store shelves to avoid the risk of prosecution for trafficking in child pornography. (The legality varies with countries: For example, while it is illegal in France to produce a pornographic film involving an actor under 18, the film remains legal.[7])
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traci_Lords
She caused a spotlight to shine on the porn business, which until then had enjoyed a low public profile. Authorities served search warrants and subpoenas at pornography production, marketing and distribution firms on the east and west coasts.
South and two producers were indicted for sexual exploitation of a minor, and the government tried to build a federal racketeering case against those who knowingly utilized underage talent in their porn productions. They beat the case, although they say they spent more than $1 million doing so.
The Lords videotapes were declared a violation of child pornography laws, and federal government ordered them pulled from circulation and destroyed, costing the porn industry millions of dollars.
The lone criminal conviction was against Rubin Gottesman, owner of X-Citement Video of Van Nuys, Calif., who was convicted of "knowingly" shipping Lords videos in violation of the federal order. Gottesman appealed, arguing that the language of the law was confusing. Ultimately, the United States Supreme Court upheld his conviction in 1994.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/traci_lords/6.html
everyone involved got arrested and spent major $$$ defending themselves.
the law is HARSHER now.
so what were you saying?
Well basically all you did was agree with me.
What you show is what I said. If you are willing and able to defend yourself you can win. It is also a given that you will lose money because you have the overhead you will not get back and you can't make a profit on the material. Everyone expects that it will be taken off the shelf that is why I didn't say anything about that.
The only conviction you show was one person and he was found to have KNOWINGLY distributed underage material. Which is exactly what I said would have to be proven that they KNOWINGLY did it.
So go back to GOOGLE and show me something I didn't already say.
...And agian...show me where VCA, Dark Bros and TOM Byron suffered anything other than pulling it from shelves and cleaning his dick off.
Didn't know or care about any of this
I just looked it up
Bristol is about to turn 20
Levi turned 20 in May
That Spears chick was 15 and he was 18/19. Which is like a senior fuckin a freshman, which happen in high school.
I don't think you can really compare those situations to a 20 something fuckin an underage chick.
Ya basically...the only "punishment" was them being forced to remove the movies off shelves...damn
Well basically all you did was agree with me.
What you show is what I said. If you are willing and able to defend yourself you can win. It is also a given that you will lose money because you have the overhead you will not get back and you can't make a profit on the material. Everyone expects that it will be taken off the shelf that is why I didn't say anything about that.
The only conviction you show was one person and he was found to have KNOWINGLY distributed underage material. Which is exactly what I said would have to be proven that they KNOWINGLY did it.
So go back to GOOGLE and show me something I didn't already say.
...And agian...show me where VCA, Dark Bros and TOM Byron suffered anything other than pulling it from shelves and cleaning his dick off.
Well basically all you did was agree with me.
What you show is what I said. If you are willing and able to defend yourself you can win. It is also a given that you will lose money because you have the overhead you will not get back and you can't make a profit on the material. Everyone expects that it will be taken off the shelf that is why I didn't say anything about that.
The only conviction you show was one person and he was found to have KNOWINGLY distributed underage material. Which is exactly what I said would have to be proven that they KNOWINGLY did it.
So go back to GOOGLE and show me something I didn't already say.
...And agian...show me where VCA, Dark Bros and TOM Byron suffered anything other than pulling it from shelves and cleaning his dick off.
first of all, VCA, Dark Brothers, and Tom Byron weren't the people who produced the films.
X-Citement Video produced it, its owner and two directors WERE arrested, indicted, and if they didn't have the money they would've been convicted.
so i am not agreeing with you, you said nothing happened to companies and persons WHO WEREN'T EVEN pursued by the prosecutors.
at least ONE person WAS successfully prosecuted, and didn't win his appeals.
the law is DIFFERENT now, as it was SPELLED OUT earlier in this thread.
so AGAIN, WHAT were you saying?
Bristol was 17 when she got pregnant and as you see the spears chick was still a minor.
You can definately compare it when people of color and who aren't celebrities are still in prison over it. Look up the guy in atlanta and tell me if he compares it while big bubba is giving it to him in his ass. Parents are also notorious for using this as a tool to convict 18-19 year old boys that they don't like and want out of their 17 year old daughter's life.
It would be wonderful to think your way and I would agree. Get rid of the law in cases where they are that close in age, but the sad fact is that whether you can compare it to a 16 year old fucking a 40 year old or not. People are still doing hard time over that non-comparative fucking as you put it. It's not so trivial when yo ass is in prison over it.
Could, woulda, shoulda. But they did have the money, that's how the system works. You have to pay. You will get charged but then you have to defend.
The dark brothers are credited as Producer and Director of Newave Hookers. VCA was the distributor. They did not make all of Tracy's films. The other two guys you show convicted were in cases not related to Tracy. Yes, the industry was under fire, and those 2 got caught, but they were actually knowingly producing child porn.
And again the one guy you showed knowingly distributed the material. The people who didn't know only had to take a loss in money.
So again...what are you saying? You keep showing examples of people who knowingly break the law. My example is for people who comply with the law, but some bitch slips through the cracks and you can prove it.
from now on, i'm referring to you as Emily Blunt Jr.
you haven't provided a lick of proof to anything you're saying here. i'm posting WHAT HAPPENED.
what happened > the shit you're making up.
losing MILLIONS of dollars, getting arrested, indicted, and in one case SUCCESSFULLY prosecuted contradicts you assertion that "nothing happened" to the people who produced, directed, filmed and distributed Traci Lord's scenes.
holla.
Well you kind of don't have a choice when you find yourself in hot water when you haven't knowingly done anything wrong. It would be easy to just not do it. But the damage is done so now you have to weigh your options holding the loaded gun.
Dude, Levi is four months older than her. What he did wasn't illegal.
Not only that. Do you even know what the age of consent is in Alaska?
It's 16
I'm still trying to figure out what your point is.
You can look at this image and see the the Dark Bros produced New Wave Hookers. When you see presents that's what that means. This is the original box with Tracy on the front. Subsequent box was replaced with Ginger Lynn picture.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_wt4NNUqQU04/S.../_RyBf61kZXg/Traci+Lords+New+Wave+Hookers.jpg
All anyone has to do is read your Wiki bullshit and they can see only conviction was one guy who actually distributed her stuff knowingly. Other two had nothing to do with Tracy. Just read it. I don['t need to get anything else. TOM BYRON is my proof. He fucked her numerous times and I can go down to the local video store and get his latest movies.
I don't have to produce no wiki shit cause I lived it. I saw all the Tracy movies first hand when I was watching and no one knew what she did. Saw her in some magazines too during that time. And when the story broke, VCA was a major player as well as the Dark Bros and Tom Byron still looked like a little boy. I saw it all first hand. I continued to get plenty of material from VCA at the time and I was a big fan of the DARK Bros productions and they never went anywhere. It was nothing more than a bump in the road.
You call loosing money and getting indicted a problem. Hell being in the porn industry in general can get you that. They know that going in. It's only trouble when you loose. And none of the people I speak of lost anything but money and plastic video tapes.
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Dude, Levi is four months older than her. What he did wasn't illegal.
Not only that. Do you even know what the age of consent is in Alaska?
It's 16
I'm still trying to figure out what your point is.
My point is, you can't fuck up to age 18. So you are telling me that they didn't fuck for 4 months? Bullshit. Just as someone pointed out. Max got railroaded on a tecnicality. 4 months is a techincalilty that can be exploited if someone wishes. So technically if he fucked her while she was 17 and 8 months then he is a rapist. If they say you can't consent until you are 18 then anything up to that is fair game in the law.
The point is not that 16 is the age to consent in Alaska, but that in other areas it is considered rape.
So my point is that it isn't fair that a person can go to prison in atlanta for doing the same thing that is ok in Alaska. It should be across the board is my point, one thing for all.
okay, this ignorant cat is going on my ignore list.
LOL...aint making a DAMN bit of sense at all.
LOL...aint making a DAMN bit of sense at all.
Ok time will tell. If Reality Kings gets shut down and the owner thrown in the klink and loose all their money (as you and others claim) in the future, I will change my name to Emily Blunt Jr. and kiss all y'all's feet as superior beings on this earth.
If they come out and still producing shit, then y'all niggaz can toss my salad
damn son.
Ok this dumb nigga with the Ryu shit.
My whole argument was that anyone who complies with the law and is fooled by the talent and can show documentation that they complied, then they should be able to defend themselves.
BigDaddy posted this:
"The lone criminal conviction was against Rubin Gottesman, owner of X-Citement Video of Van Nuys, Calif., who was convicted of "knowingly" shipping Lords videos in violation of the federal order. Gottesman appealed, arguing that the language of the law was confusing. Ultimately, the United States Supreme Court upheld his conviction in 1994."
Let's analyze this shall we: The LONE conviction came from a man who shipped movies in VIOLATION of the ORDER by the court after they established that the videos were CHILD PORN. This means he did it on PURPOSE when the court said not to. Which has nothing to do with my initial argument.
So I will interperate for BigDADDY since he doesn't comprehend english text.
This means that all involved when they DID NOT KNOW SHE WAS A MINOR were FINE. IT was only the ONE guy that defyed the courts ruling and SHIPPD THEM ANYWAY.
FURTHERMORE. THE racketeering charges were against other producers found to be using underage talent PURPOSEFULLY. And even those people WON NIGGA!!
THIS had nothing, however, to do with the LORDS legal proceedings.
If you can't understand that...then you are just fucking retarded. Instead of calling me Blunt, you need to smoke one and put yourself out of your own misery. DAMN nigga, just read the shit you posted yourself.
My whole argument was that anyone who complies with the law and is fooled by the talent and can show documentation that they complied, then they should be able to defend themselves.
BigDaddy posted this:
"The lone criminal conviction was against Rubin Gottesman, owner of X-Citement Video of Van Nuys, Calif., who was convicted of "knowingly" shipping Lords videos in violation of the federal order. Gottesman appealed, arguing that the language of the law was confusing. Ultimately, the United States Supreme Court upheld his conviction in 1994."
Let's analyze this shall we: The LONE conviction came from a man who shipped movies in VIOLATION of the ORDER by the court after they established that the videos were CHILD PORN. This means he did it on PURPOSE when the court said not to. Which has nothing to do with my initial argument.
So I will interperate for BigDADDY since he doesn't comprehend english text.
This means that all involved when they DID NOT KNOW SHE WAS A MINOR were FINE. IT was only the ONE guy that defyed the courts ruling and SHIPPD THEM ANYWAY.
FURTHERMORE. THE racketeering charges were against other producers found to be using underage talent PURPOSEFULLY. And even those people WON NIGGA!!
THIS had nothing, however, to do with the LORDS legal proceedings.
If you can't understand that...then you are just fucking retarded. Instead of calling me Blunt, you need to smoke one and put yourself out of your own misery. DAMN nigga, just read the shit you posted yourself.
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dollars to donuts this werido is still responding to what i wrote.
dollars to donuts this werido is still responding to what i wrote.
Here is another link of basically the same article but in the last paragraph it says this:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/traci_lords/6.html
"Gottesman apparently was not the only one to ignore the order to destroy the Lords tapes, however. A black market for Lords videotapes thrives today, and her blue work is readily available in parts of Europe, where the minimum legal age for pornographic work is younger."
Dumb nigga (you know who I'm tawkin to), so did anything happen to them too?!
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/traci_lords/6.html
"Gottesman apparently was not the only one to ignore the order to destroy the Lords tapes, however. A black market for Lords videotapes thrives today, and her blue work is readily available in parts of Europe, where the minimum legal age for pornographic work is younger."
Dumb nigga (you know who I'm tawkin to), so did anything happen to them too?!
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You don't have to give up. You actually make some good points. My only thing with that is that the laws should more consistent. If the law says you can fuck in alaska at 16 the obviously he's in the clear, but people are people and someone in another state shouldn't have to loose their freedom when people in alaska can do it no problem.
But BigDADDY is just dumb. Read my last post concerning him and it clearly shows he's an idiot using his own research.
This message is hidden because keith6 is on your ignore list.
dollars to donuts this werido is still responding to what i wrote.
It's because what you wrote is so fucking stupid and you don't have sense enough to know that the guy convicted defyed a court order whereas the other people who produced her movies VCA included just simply removed them and they were fine.
Ok time will tell. If Reality Kings gets shut down and the owner thrown in the klink and loose all their money (as you and others claim) in the future, I will change my name to Emily Blunt Jr. and kiss all y'all's feet as superior beings on this earth.
If they come out and still producing shit, then y'all niggaz can toss my salad
everyone involved got arrested and spent major $$$ defending themselves.
the law is HARSHER now.
so what were you saying?
See how dumb you are. EVERYONE did not get arrested. Actually NO one did. After reading your crap closer it states he shipped movies after the fact not BEFORE. Anyone before was free and clear. Dumb Ass!
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people who aren't in the industry need to stop talking out their ass about what happened with VCA years ago.
i am friends with some of the parties who are still active in the industry and it's clear that wiki and other sources don't know WTF they are talking about.
for example, tom byron did not catch a case of statutory rape or child molestation (they were romantically involved and lived together for a time) for the scenes they performed in together.
but he (and other talent) was prosecuted on other charges which were fallout of the investigation.
traci lords did not get prosecuted because she sang like a canary and dropped dimes on EVERYONE. many believe that she is the one who initiated the investigation to begin with by voluntarily confessing.
she played everyone and make A LOT of money by engineering the exigent circumstances which created a monopoly on her own product/brand.
i am friends with some of the parties who are still active in the industry and it's clear that wiki and other sources don't know WTF they are talking about.
for example, tom byron did not catch a case of statutory rape or child molestation (they were romantically involved and lived together for a time) for the scenes they performed in together.
but he (and other talent) was prosecuted on other charges which were fallout of the investigation.
traci lords did not get prosecuted because she sang like a canary and dropped dimes on EVERYONE. many believe that she is the one who initiated the investigation to begin with by voluntarily confessing.
she played everyone and make A LOT of money by engineering the exigent circumstances which created a monopoly on her own product/brand.
Yeah I know wiki ain't shit, that's why I don't use it. I just used what the guy uploaded because it makes my point although he though he was making some great contradictory point to what I posted.
And I know Tom didn't get molestation charges because that's what I said.
Sheeeiit that bitch bad... I ain't erasing shit
I think he was addressing that to those arguing the contrary
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