Did this negro just say that he "ASSUMING CONSENT"? Does he want to go to jail? LMAO. Does he not know that America is designed to lock up black men even in OBVIOUS cases like this? I don't even know all the specifics of the case and i'm 80% sure she's a liar.
Derrick Rose testifies in rape lawsuit trial
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This murky line with consent will be the fucking problem. 
Now she has to explicitly say she what is going to happen for it to be acceptable as consent.
I've never had a girl verbally give me consent before fucking her. I've only had women verbally say they want me to fuck them after we've already had sex several times before and know each other.
But Derrick needs to tighten up his lip on his responses. He speaks about it too freely imo and not careful or calculated with concern with how things might sound to jurors and jusges. Why his legal team is not coaching him on that idk. Maybe they are hoping his honesty will be felt through in his matterfactly replies.
Now she has to explicitly say she what is going to happen for it to be acceptable as consent.
I've never had a girl verbally give me consent before fucking her. I've only had women verbally say they want me to fuck them after we've already had sex several times before and know each other.
But Derrick needs to tighten up his lip on his responses. He speaks about it too freely imo and not careful or calculated with concern with how things might sound to jurors and jusges. Why his legal team is not coaching him on that idk. Maybe they are hoping his honesty will be felt through in his matterfactly replies.
He did and it's dumb to say that but I get why he said it because of their previous sexual history. She had been down with everything else without so called "consent." But him saying that will definitely give the prosecution help in flipping that rapist entitlement angel.
I understand but why even waste taxpayers money by having a ridiculous trial like this? She's obviously a whore. She was having sex with someone else at Rose's residence before the so called incident. Looks like she's been down with getting run through by members of the "team" before but now she wants to cry rape? Does Rose have an extra key to her apartment? Does she not lock her doors? So many questions lol.
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This murky line with consent will be the fucking problem.
Now she has to explicitly say she what is going to happen for it to be acceptable as consent.
Niggas can't even fuck in peace no mo'.
On that new show "Queen Sugar" they have a case kinda sorta like this/Tupac case. One of the guys is a big basketball star that was accused of a gang rape by a prostitute. They have him on video carrying the hoe into a hotel room along with 2-3 of his fellow players, should be guilty, case closed right BUT here's the twist the dude went into the hotel room but got a call that his son was sick so he gave the hoe some money and left before anything happened. The hoe said when she came out the shower the fellow players were waiting on her and said the star player told them it was alright to fuck he so she got a train ran on her. Turns out the hoes feelings got hurt because she said the star player had been buying pussy from her for 3 years and she thought she was special to him but him telling the players they could fuck her meant he just saw her as a hoe, which is basically what he told her when she called him about it, so she put his name in it claiming he set her up to be gang raped. This hoe in the Derrick Rose case probably hit a rough patch in life and asked Rose for help, he shitted on her so now she come with a bs rape claim 2 years later
Niggas can't even fuck in peace no mo'.
I'm saying. They acting like sex doesn't involve body language and nonverbal ques don't mean shit. GTFO of my bed with this consent bullshit.
That shit is purposely murky to allow dysfunctional women the opportunity to do exactly this. Decide when or if she wants to yell rape at any point in time she decides and it be taken seriously.
Friend Of Jane Doe Testifies That Rose's Pal Said "Fuck Talking, Take Your Clothes Off"
A friend of the woman suing Derrick Rose and two of his friends testified on Thursday, saying that she thought Jane Doe seemed very intoxicated, and that they left after one of Rose’s friends suddenly told her, “fuck talking, take your clothes off.” Her testimony came after that friend, Ryan Allen, finished his testimony, showing just how stark a difference there is between what Rose’s legal team and the woman’s legal team say happened that night.
Rose, Ryan Allen, and Randall Hampton are accused in the woman’s civil lawsuit of gang-raping her inside her apartment when she was too under the influence to consent. Rose, Allen, and Hampton all say the sex was consensual.
Jessica “Kendra” Groff said that on that night in 2013, she knew that a car was going to pick her up and she was going to go hang out with her friend, Rose, and some of his friends. At first, she wasn’t going to go because Doe had talked to her about a “sleepover,” Groff said, and “that’s just not what I was going over there for.” But when Doe said it would just be drinks, she said OK. She said she was training to be a massage therapist at the time, and figured Rose might be a good connection.
When the car arrived, Groff testified, Doe was inside and drinking wine. She said the wine looked like it was in a plastic water bottle (Doe previously testified that it was a personal-sized bottle). Groff said Doe was already slurring her words, and told the jury, “I could tell she was a little intoxicated.”
They went inside the Beverly Hills home where Rose and his friends were staying. The men didn’t hang out with them at first, Groff said, as they had to finish playing a video game.
Later on, Groff testified, everyone was hanging out on the patio, drinking. Groff said she had a few shots, probably three, and that she only saw Doe take one shot. At some point, Rose went inside. He would come out, she Groff said, and then go back in his room.
Later, Groff said she saw Doe grabbing hot rocks from around the fire pit. “That’s when I knew she was pretty intoxicated,” Groff said, and told Doe to stop. It took a little bit of time for that to register with Doe, Groff said. When Doe did drop the rocks was when Groff realized she was “a little more intoxicated than I thought.” She told Doe to put her hands in the pool to help with the burns.
Groff said she did not see Doe give Allen or Hampton lap dances, which both testified they received from Doe. She said she did not see Doe have sex with Hampton on a cabana bed or give Rose oral sex, which both men said happened.
During cross examination, Rose’s lawyer, Mark Baute, emphasized the approximately three time Groff said in a previous declaration that she lost sight of Doe. Groff responded that even then Doe wasn’t completely out of her sight because the house had so much glass.
Groff said she eventually did go inside to look for Doe and ended up knocking on Rose’s bedroom door. She didn’t go inside Rose’s bedroom—it has a hallway that leads into it—and from there she made a little small talk with him.
Then Allen came in, Groff told the jury, and said: “Fuck talking, take off your clothes.” She said her response was, “You don’t talk to me like that,” and then they started arguing because, she said, “You aren’t going to talk to me like that.”
Groff said she saw Doe and told her to grab her stuff because it was time to go. She said she made it clear she was only leaving if Doe came with her because “she was drunk and there were three guys and me.” She added that Allen at one point told her, “Why don’t you just fucking leave her then,” but she wasn’t leaving without her friend.
She told the men to call a taxi. The cab took Groff home first, and then Doe. Groff said she paid the cab in cash and made sure he had Doe’s correct address before leaving.
“I was so upset, I was so mad that I had experienced what I experienced,” she told the jury.
When he was questioning Groff, Baute raised his voice while asking about the cab, angrily asking, “You left your drunk friend alone with a male cab driver at midnight.” Groff calmly replied: “Yes.”
Baute also brought up many of the text messages between Doe and Rose, coordinating that night’s events. Groff said that Doe didn’t tell her about the “sex belt” or the massage oil she had brought. Groff said she had no intention of taking ecstasy, even though Doe sent Rose a text message saying her friend wanted the drug, and said that text message was a lie. Baute asked her about the text message Doe sent later that night to Rose, saying: “She was mad at me babe why u have me bring a bitch and u ain’t fina fuck her.” Groff answered, “I would be very surprised that she would say something like that.” She later added that a sleepover “was not something I signed up for.”
The lawyer for the other two men, Mike Monico, questioned Groff about the money Doe asked for in her lawsuit. He asked Groff if she was getting money for her testimony or had been offered money, and she said no. When asked if she deserved money, Groff said, “No, for what?” When Monico asked if she knew how much money Doe had asked for, Groff replied, “I want justice.”
In other developments
A friend of the woman suing Derrick Rose and two of his friends testified on Thursday, saying that she thought Jane Doe seemed very intoxicated, and that they left after one of Rose’s friends suddenly told her, “fuck talking, take your clothes off.” Her testimony came after that friend, Ryan Allen, finished his testimony, showing just how stark a difference there is between what Rose’s legal team and the woman’s legal team say happened that night.
Rose, Ryan Allen, and Randall Hampton are accused in the woman’s civil lawsuit of gang-raping her inside her apartment when she was too under the influence to consent. Rose, Allen, and Hampton all say the sex was consensual.
Jessica “Kendra” Groff said that on that night in 2013, she knew that a car was going to pick her up and she was going to go hang out with her friend, Rose, and some of his friends. At first, she wasn’t going to go because Doe had talked to her about a “sleepover,” Groff said, and “that’s just not what I was going over there for.” But when Doe said it would just be drinks, she said OK. She said she was training to be a massage therapist at the time, and figured Rose might be a good connection.
When the car arrived, Groff testified, Doe was inside and drinking wine. She said the wine looked like it was in a plastic water bottle (Doe previously testified that it was a personal-sized bottle). Groff said Doe was already slurring her words, and told the jury, “I could tell she was a little intoxicated.”
They went inside the Beverly Hills home where Rose and his friends were staying. The men didn’t hang out with them at first, Groff said, as they had to finish playing a video game.
Later on, Groff testified, everyone was hanging out on the patio, drinking. Groff said she had a few shots, probably three, and that she only saw Doe take one shot. At some point, Rose went inside. He would come out, she Groff said, and then go back in his room.
Later, Groff said she saw Doe grabbing hot rocks from around the fire pit. “That’s when I knew she was pretty intoxicated,” Groff said, and told Doe to stop. It took a little bit of time for that to register with Doe, Groff said. When Doe did drop the rocks was when Groff realized she was “a little more intoxicated than I thought.” She told Doe to put her hands in the pool to help with the burns.
Groff said she did not see Doe give Allen or Hampton lap dances, which both testified they received from Doe. She said she did not see Doe have sex with Hampton on a cabana bed or give Rose oral sex, which both men said happened.
During cross examination, Rose’s lawyer, Mark Baute, emphasized the approximately three time Groff said in a previous declaration that she lost sight of Doe. Groff responded that even then Doe wasn’t completely out of her sight because the house had so much glass.
Groff said she eventually did go inside to look for Doe and ended up knocking on Rose’s bedroom door. She didn’t go inside Rose’s bedroom—it has a hallway that leads into it—and from there she made a little small talk with him.
Then Allen came in, Groff told the jury, and said: “Fuck talking, take off your clothes.” She said her response was, “You don’t talk to me like that,” and then they started arguing because, she said, “You aren’t going to talk to me like that.”
Groff said she saw Doe and told her to grab her stuff because it was time to go. She said she made it clear she was only leaving if Doe came with her because “she was drunk and there were three guys and me.” She added that Allen at one point told her, “Why don’t you just fucking leave her then,” but she wasn’t leaving without her friend.
She told the men to call a taxi. The cab took Groff home first, and then Doe. Groff said she paid the cab in cash and made sure he had Doe’s correct address before leaving.
“I was so upset, I was so mad that I had experienced what I experienced,” she told the jury.
When he was questioning Groff, Baute raised his voice while asking about the cab, angrily asking, “You left your drunk friend alone with a male cab driver at midnight.” Groff calmly replied: “Yes.”
Baute also brought up many of the text messages between Doe and Rose, coordinating that night’s events. Groff said that Doe didn’t tell her about the “sex belt” or the massage oil she had brought. Groff said she had no intention of taking ecstasy, even though Doe sent Rose a text message saying her friend wanted the drug, and said that text message was a lie. Baute asked her about the text message Doe sent later that night to Rose, saying: “She was mad at me babe why u have me bring a bitch and u ain’t fina fuck her.” Groff answered, “I would be very surprised that she would say something like that.” She later added that a sleepover “was not something I signed up for.”
The lawyer for the other two men, Mike Monico, questioned Groff about the money Doe asked for in her lawsuit. He asked Groff if she was getting money for her testimony or had been offered money, and she said no. When asked if she deserved money, Groff said, “No, for what?” When Monico asked if she knew how much money Doe had asked for, Groff replied, “I want justice.”
In other developments
- Allen testified that he took a similar class to Rose as part of the NBA’s summer league. Previously, Rose testified that at the NBA’s rookie program he learned to always take his used condoms with him because, “You never know what women are up to nowadays.”
- Allen said Thursday that his class was one on “financials, dealing with women, and other things.” But he said he didn’t take his condom with him after having sex with Jane Doe because “I highly doubt anyone wanted my condom.”
- Judge Michael W. Fitzgerald warned Doe’s attorneys that they are running out of time to present their case. Fitzgerald gave each side about 16 hours, and on Thursday he warned Doe’s lawyers they only had a few hours left.
Accuser's Roommate Clashes With Defense Lawyer In Derrick Rose Rape Trial
In today’s proceedings of the civil rape trial of Derrick Rose and two of his friends, the plaintiff’s two roommates testified that she was acting strangely the day after the alleged assault. During cross-examination, they were asked multiple times if they were receiving any money for their testimony, leading one witness to snap at defense lawyer Mike Monico that his line of questioning was “completely disgusting.”
Rose and two friends, Ryan Allen and Randall Hampton, are named in the civil suit filed by the woman, identified as Jane Doe, who claims she was gang-raped in her apartment in 2013. All three men say the sex they had that night was consensual.
First to take the stand on Friday was Claudia Carleo, one of Doe’s roommate at the time. She said she came home to find several men in the living room. She said went to get a bottle of water when someone ran out of Doe’s bedroom.
“He ran up on me and I pushed him back, like, ‘yo the bathroom is over there,’” Carleo said.
Carleo said she went inside her room and fell asleep with the fan on. When she saw Doe the next morning, Carleo said, Doe asked if there were men over last night. She said Doe then asked her questions about who they were, and Carleo told her she didn’t know.
Carleo testified that Doe was still acting odd when she got home from work that day. Doe “isolated herself” in her bedroom instead of her usual routine of having coffee and hanging out with them in the living room, Carleo said. “She didn’t even drink her coffee. It was weird.”
Under cross-examination, defense lawyer Mark Baute brought up Carleo’s deposition, in which she said multiple times that she deserved money for her testimony. (At one point she suggested she should get $1 million.) Each time, Carleo said getting paid for her testimony was an idea other people had suggested to her.
“I had my boyfriend in my ear telling me that,” Carleo said of the $1 million figure. “I didn’t calculate it myself.”
Upon cross-examination by co-defense lawyer Mike Monico, Carleo said she does not believe she deserves money. “I’m just doing what’s right, now,” Carleo said.
Later in the afternoon, Marcella Carleo, Claudia Carleo’s sister and another roommate of Jane Doe, took the stand. Marcella Carleo said she was not home the night of the alleged attack, but when she returned she thought Doe was acting differently—confused, and shocked.
“We all noticed she was going in her room a lot, being more quiet,” Carleo said, later adding, “She didn’t seem as there or as chippy as she was.”
Carleo testified that Doe told her about a week later that Rose’s brother had raped her.
Co-defense lawyer Mike Monico, during his cross-examination, brought up Claudia Carelo’s deposition comments about deserving money for testimony, and ask if Claudia should be paid for getting on the witness stand. Marcella Carleo shot back: “I think that question is completely disgusting.”
Monico kept pushing on the topic, leading to Carleo telling him, “The question you are saying to me is insulting to me.”
Monico: “I just insulted you, ma’am?”
Carleo replied, “Yes.”
“I’m sorry you feel that way,” Monico said before moving on to another question.
Before he returned to his seat, Monico said “I apologize for being disgusting to you, ma’am.”
“Apology accepted,” Carleo responded.
In today’s proceedings of the civil rape trial of Derrick Rose and two of his friends, the plaintiff’s two roommates testified that she was acting strangely the day after the alleged assault. During cross-examination, they were asked multiple times if they were receiving any money for their testimony, leading one witness to snap at defense lawyer Mike Monico that his line of questioning was “completely disgusting.”
Rose and two friends, Ryan Allen and Randall Hampton, are named in the civil suit filed by the woman, identified as Jane Doe, who claims she was gang-raped in her apartment in 2013. All three men say the sex they had that night was consensual.
First to take the stand on Friday was Claudia Carleo, one of Doe’s roommate at the time. She said she came home to find several men in the living room. She said went to get a bottle of water when someone ran out of Doe’s bedroom.
“He ran up on me and I pushed him back, like, ‘yo the bathroom is over there,’” Carleo said.
Carleo said she went inside her room and fell asleep with the fan on. When she saw Doe the next morning, Carleo said, Doe asked if there were men over last night. She said Doe then asked her questions about who they were, and Carleo told her she didn’t know.
Carleo testified that Doe was still acting odd when she got home from work that day. Doe “isolated herself” in her bedroom instead of her usual routine of having coffee and hanging out with them in the living room, Carleo said. “She didn’t even drink her coffee. It was weird.”
Under cross-examination, defense lawyer Mark Baute brought up Carleo’s deposition, in which she said multiple times that she deserved money for her testimony. (At one point she suggested she should get $1 million.) Each time, Carleo said getting paid for her testimony was an idea other people had suggested to her.
“I had my boyfriend in my ear telling me that,” Carleo said of the $1 million figure. “I didn’t calculate it myself.”
Upon cross-examination by co-defense lawyer Mike Monico, Carleo said she does not believe she deserves money. “I’m just doing what’s right, now,” Carleo said.
Later in the afternoon, Marcella Carleo, Claudia Carleo’s sister and another roommate of Jane Doe, took the stand. Marcella Carleo said she was not home the night of the alleged attack, but when she returned she thought Doe was acting differently—confused, and shocked.
“We all noticed she was going in her room a lot, being more quiet,” Carleo said, later adding, “She didn’t seem as there or as chippy as she was.”
Carleo testified that Doe told her about a week later that Rose’s brother had raped her.
Co-defense lawyer Mike Monico, during his cross-examination, brought up Claudia Carelo’s deposition comments about deserving money for testimony, and ask if Claudia should be paid for getting on the witness stand. Marcella Carleo shot back: “I think that question is completely disgusting.”
Monico kept pushing on the topic, leading to Carleo telling him, “The question you are saying to me is insulting to me.”
Monico: “I just insulted you, ma’am?”
Carleo replied, “Yes.”
“I’m sorry you feel that way,” Monico said before moving on to another question.
Before he returned to his seat, Monico said “I apologize for being disgusting to you, ma’am.”
“Apology accepted,” Carleo responded.
Former Friend Of Jane Doe Repeatedly Calls Doe A Liar On The Stand
A onetime friend of Jane Doe took the stand Friday, testifying for Derrick Rose’s side in the civil suit accusing him and two friends of gang-rape in 2013. In her testimony on Friday, Gabriela Chavez repeatedly called her former friend a liar and said she came forward because she wanted to be on the side of truth.
Chavez said she had been friends with Doe since 2008, but they last saw each other in 2014. The last time they talked or texted was earlier this year, she said. Much of her testimony was about a trip she took with Doe to Las Vegas in September 2013, about a month after Doe said in her lawsuit she was raped by Rose and two of his friends in her Los Angeles apartment. Before going over the details of the trip, Judge Michael W. Fitzgerald told jurors that they could only use the testimony “simply as to damages” and that it was not “relevant to which version of events at the apartment is true.”
After that warning from Fitzgerald, Chavez launched into testimony in which she called Doe a liar multiple times. She went into the details about the September trip after several pictures of her and Doe in Las Vegas were entered into evidence, showing Chavez and Doe smiling, hanging out by a pool, and in bathrobes. She said that during the trip Doe seemed happy and normal. Doe told her that during the trip that she had sex with Rose and his friends, but was upset that she hadn’t heard back. Chavez told the court, “She specifically said he didn’t even care that I slept with them.”
Chavez said in court that the story as Doe told it didn’t make sense to her, so she asked Doe specifically if she was raped. Her response, Chavez said, was, “No, but I did have sex with all of them.”
During cross examination, Chavez said Doe didn’t use the word consensual but “her entire story didn’t make sense.”
Like the defense’s cross examinations earlier in the day, Doe’s lawyer Waukeen McCoy peppered Chavez with questions about if she was doing this for money. He asked Chavez several times and different ways if she had tried to get money from Doe for her testimony, which Chavez repeatedly said was wrong, adding, “That’s why I’m on the side of truth right now.”
McCoy asked her so many times about money, Chavez replied to one: “Is that the best you are going to keep doing, asking the same question?”
Many of her answers to questions, like if Doe took a sick day to go to Las Vegas and how she contacted Rose’s lawyer, ended with her calling Doe a liar. At one point, she said Doe “lies about everything that comes out of her mouth.” Even Doe’s desire to stay anonymous was about maintaining lies, she said.
“She lies to her family all the time. They don’t know the lifestyle she leads in Los Angeles,” Chavez said. “And she wanted to keep it that way.”
Chavez said Doe at some point had told her about another rape lawsuit, involving Sean Kingston, that had settled and that she too would settle with Rose for money. Chavez said a text message sent to Doe after she heard about the lawsuit being filed—saying “Hey girl. You ok?” and asking if it was Doe or someone else “it happened to”— was just her checking in because she had been wondering if Doe would file.
“She told me quite a few times that she was confused and didn’t know what to do,” Chavez said, adding that it was because so many people were telling Doe different things.
When Rose’s lawyer, Mark Baute, asked Chavez if Doe is a “pathological liar,” Chavez said yes. She ended her testimony saying she had dinner with Rose in 2015, and the meal lasted a few hours.
A onetime friend of Jane Doe took the stand Friday, testifying for Derrick Rose’s side in the civil suit accusing him and two friends of gang-rape in 2013. In her testimony on Friday, Gabriela Chavez repeatedly called her former friend a liar and said she came forward because she wanted to be on the side of truth.
Chavez said she had been friends with Doe since 2008, but they last saw each other in 2014. The last time they talked or texted was earlier this year, she said. Much of her testimony was about a trip she took with Doe to Las Vegas in September 2013, about a month after Doe said in her lawsuit she was raped by Rose and two of his friends in her Los Angeles apartment. Before going over the details of the trip, Judge Michael W. Fitzgerald told jurors that they could only use the testimony “simply as to damages” and that it was not “relevant to which version of events at the apartment is true.”
After that warning from Fitzgerald, Chavez launched into testimony in which she called Doe a liar multiple times. She went into the details about the September trip after several pictures of her and Doe in Las Vegas were entered into evidence, showing Chavez and Doe smiling, hanging out by a pool, and in bathrobes. She said that during the trip Doe seemed happy and normal. Doe told her that during the trip that she had sex with Rose and his friends, but was upset that she hadn’t heard back. Chavez told the court, “She specifically said he didn’t even care that I slept with them.”
Chavez said in court that the story as Doe told it didn’t make sense to her, so she asked Doe specifically if she was raped. Her response, Chavez said, was, “No, but I did have sex with all of them.”
During cross examination, Chavez said Doe didn’t use the word consensual but “her entire story didn’t make sense.”
Like the defense’s cross examinations earlier in the day, Doe’s lawyer Waukeen McCoy peppered Chavez with questions about if she was doing this for money. He asked Chavez several times and different ways if she had tried to get money from Doe for her testimony, which Chavez repeatedly said was wrong, adding, “That’s why I’m on the side of truth right now.”
McCoy asked her so many times about money, Chavez replied to one: “Is that the best you are going to keep doing, asking the same question?”
Many of her answers to questions, like if Doe took a sick day to go to Las Vegas and how she contacted Rose’s lawyer, ended with her calling Doe a liar. At one point, she said Doe “lies about everything that comes out of her mouth.” Even Doe’s desire to stay anonymous was about maintaining lies, she said.
“She lies to her family all the time. They don’t know the lifestyle she leads in Los Angeles,” Chavez said. “And she wanted to keep it that way.”
Chavez said Doe at some point had told her about another rape lawsuit, involving Sean Kingston, that had settled and that she too would settle with Rose for money. Chavez said a text message sent to Doe after she heard about the lawsuit being filed—saying “Hey girl. You ok?” and asking if it was Doe or someone else “it happened to”— was just her checking in because she had been wondering if Doe would file.
“She told me quite a few times that she was confused and didn’t know what to do,” Chavez said, adding that it was because so many people were telling Doe different things.
When Rose’s lawyer, Mark Baute, asked Chavez if Doe is a “pathological liar,” Chavez said yes. She ended her testimony saying she had dinner with Rose in 2015, and the meal lasted a few hours.
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