Debate: The only difference between Amber Rose, Kim K & Beyonce is that one can sing?

[DJCandle]

I'm confused because my post should have been succinct enough for most to follow. Talent doesn't excuse the behavior. As a matter of fact the behavior seems to lessen the talent.

You can have your comparison if you do this ... turn down the volume when your favorite female singer/rapper is on stage and let the Instagram model lip sync the song that "talent" is singing. Then you should see the point.

Maybe there needs to be more clarification cause that wasn't what understood. But since we're talking hypothetically, Irene the dream and Jasmin Cadavid weren't able to lip sync either one of these.

Point being, talent is more times than not the deciding factor in how we perceive people. Today's mainstream media effectively blur the lines between sexuality and art. Strip these artists from the Hollywood marketing machine, and all your left with is the very thing that put them on the map.

Strip Amber Rose from her ability to take off her clothes and what's left?

A thick ass nobody.

 

[Riggz]

I miss the old Amber

 

[three-fifths]

'one can sing'?

shiid, bey can't sing either.

and i ain't feeling that one trollop sporting the collision.

 

[mk23666]

Maybe there needs to be more clarification cause that wasn't what understood. But since we're talking hypothetically, Irene the dream and Jasmin Cadavid weren't able to lip sync either one of these.

Point being, talent is more times than not the deciding factor in how we perceive people. Today's mainstream media effectively blur the lines between sexuality and art. Strip these artists from the Hollywood marketing machine, and all your left with is the very thing that put them on the map.

Strip Amber Rose from her ability to take off her clothes and what's left?

A thick ass nobody.

I wouldn't consider the videos you chose to exemplify what I was speaking on. Neither Mary or Alicia in those videos could be called acting/dancing slutty or dressing slutty. There are far more examples out there that would fit the description, and even some of Beyonce videos would fit the description seeing as Amber used her as an example.

 

[Darrkman]

 

[therealjondoe]

I miss the old Amber

Back when she didn't speak and she was some racially ambiguous sexy mysterious ball headed bitch

 

["THE MAN"]

Same level as Beyonce though

 

[Amajorfucup]

regardless of the degree to which its done beyonce sells sex appeal and sex period..

what the fuck does looking like this have to do with black empowerment or the black panthers??

Bey more often that not sell sex and sex appeal along with the songs going so far as to coin a phrase about it: "I don't think you ready for this jelly
Cause my body too bootylicious for ya babe"
For both of them sex and sex appeal is a major factor in their presentation.

And its I'm not talking about the beyhive cuz her fans are her fans I'm talking the board because you pretty much agree with them and the while still lusting after her for doing what you want.

I see a fully clothed woman. Now show me the one where shes bussing her pussy open, showing tits, nipples, asshole, parading to award shows literally 70% naked, and posing nude in magazines, blogs, and websites, and twerking with ass cheeks out on instagram for likes?

Are we really pretending like one is like the other?? If so, you're an imbecile. And liar.

Beyonce sells music. Is sex appeal a part of that? Absolutely. Is sex appeal her only tangible talent and product? Absolutely not.

It is beyond idiotic to pretend one is like the other.

You cant penalize women for being attractive and feminine and then allow that to be co-opted by one whose only "talent" is having a vagina.

There is a distinct difference in the two. And for Amber to insinuate that all are the same merely because they are female is counter to her faux feminist empowerment bullshit which espouses that woman should be treated as individuals on the merits... But this is what happens when stupid people pretend to be smart.

 

[Amajorfucup]

You're simply just missing my point altogether, and it's because you are even framing it from my reference point. You argue from the micro, I'm arguing from the macro.

Peace

No. You miss the point that there is no sound argument defending her "logic". Micro or otherwise. I didnt miss your point at all. I just dont think you have one here.

Peace.

 

[Amajorfucup]

what fucking agreement?? what fucking social contract are you talking about?? she takes her clothes off and you give her money thats the agreement...she doesn't have to take your shit on top of it. If you want to perceive her as a certain thing fine thats whats going on in your head...but she and women like her don't have to take bullshit on top of it. She shakes her ass..you like it all you have to do is shut up and enjoy the view...if you want to fuck her then put a tip in the jar, bust a nut on her fat ass and keep it moving.. all this armchair analyzing over who or what she is or perceived as is pointless bullshit.

No idea what you're talking about my man. But apparently neither do you.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Maybe there needs to be more clarification cause that wasn't what understood. But since we're talking hypothetically, Irene the dream and Jasmin Cadavid weren't able to lip sync either one of these.

Point being, talent is more times than not the deciding factor in how we perceive people. Today's mainstream media effectively blur the lines between sexuality and art. Strip these artists from the Hollywood marketing machine, and all your left with is the very thing that put them on the map.

Strip Amber Rose from her ability to take off her clothes and what's left?

A thick ass nobody.

Dont know why this simple yet blatant truth is so hard for these guys to accept.

 

[SamSneed]

Major old ass goin ham

 

[Lexx Diamond]

1. Beyonce is African American. Pasty white bitches want to be her. The Kardashian females attempted look is that of light skinned Black women.
2. Beyonce doesn't have naked pics and or videos of her on the internet or my hard drive.
3. Beyonce has talent and is independently wealthy.
4. Beyonce is better looking without a fake ass or tits than both those ho's combined.
5. Beyonce is related to fine ass women like Solange and Kelly Roland.

 

[Philli]

Why are Amber Rose or Kim K famous... because of women. Men do not buy there products nor go to events because they are there. Women do. Women pretend as if they are made famous by us... but the reality is they are the ones propping Amber Rose, Black Chyna and the Kardashians up and making them relevant.

 

[DJCandle]

Dont know why this simple yet blatant truth is so hard for these guys to accept.

I have no idea fam :kanyeshrug:

 

[sumofyallniggasisbitches2]

Funny thing is I agree with you, but to ignore the truth that many (most) R&B female singers AND female rappers are basically "lite" versions of all that Amber Rose holds dear is stretching reality a bit. Her premise is correct, but it is being over looked because of her person and who she mentioned in her diatribe. If it had been an anonymous posting about the topic, without names being dropped it would have been better received. Even from the Beyonce crowd who now attack Amber.

Everything is different when one's favorite cow/bull isn't being sacrificed on the altar.

I see what you're saying but I don't agree at all. I do see how you can say that many of these R&B singers and female rappers have similarities to women like AMBER in that they definitely use overt sexuality to help package and sell their product. However, I believe that there is still an inherent difference in someone that only has their sexuality to market vs someone that has another talent and uses sexuality to promote that talent. For the most part, before they make it big, artists put in a lot of time learning, honing, and perfecting their craft. In the case where one of them catches a break for whatever reason, the sexulization of the artist is the "push" to bring them from the point of just being another artist, to a full fledged celebrity. I don't believe Amber's "push" came about the same way. She was just a stripper that got lucky and started fucking a famous person and she gained a sense of notoriety as a result.

People celebrate Beyonce because even though outwardly she does promote that sexualized element, it is not her only contribution and behind that sexulization is a bona-fide legitimate talent. People respect that talent. Amber does not have that same talent but wants people to treat her as if she does.

I don't think the fact that either of them is famous has anything to do with how people perceive them as it relates to this scenario. I think it's safe to say that even if Amber was some regular stripper chick and Beyonce was just some regular chick trying to make it in the music business and someone knew them both, they would still not be treated or looked at the same way.

That's just the way the universe works and people respond to you based on what you put out there and once people have made up their minds about who you are and what you represent, it's very difficult to change that perception.

 

[sumofyallniggasisbitches2]

Why are Amber Rose or Kim K famous... because of women. Men do not buy there products nor go to events because they are there. Women do. Women pretend as if they are made famous by us... but the reality is they are the ones propping Amber Rose, Black Chyna and the Kardashians up and making them relevant.

Damn, that's so true.. I never even really thought about that dynamic. The only thing I would add to that is gay dudes contribute to this too. Women and gays are what keep these chick's relevant

 

[Esther]

fixed

I miss the old Amber when she didn't speak

 

[Moore]

End this shit now, comparing Beyonce to whores is not cool at all.

 

[Moore]

What next Kanye comparing his whore to the First lady? Oh wait.........

 

[Prime]

Cant none of those bitches sing.

 

[spider705]

But she referred to both herself and Kim as SEX WORKERS....Kim or Kanye need to check that shit quickly

 

[Database Error]

I ain't know you was part of the beyhive too PH. Y'all don't fuck around when it come to the queen!!

No slack

 

[KingTaharqa]

Why are Amber Rose or Kim K famous... because of women. Men do not buy there products nor go to events because they are there. Women do. Women pretend as if they are made famous by us... but the reality is they are the ones propping Amber Rose, Black Chyna and the Kardashians up and making them relevant.

I agree with your point. But the same can be said about Beyonce. Most of her fans are women overwhelmingly.

 

[jasonblacc]

I see a fully clothed woman. Now show me the one where shes bussing her pussy open, showing tits, nipples, asshole, parading to award shows literally 70% naked, and posing nude in magazines, blogs, and websites, and twerking with ass cheeks out on instagram for likes?

Are we really pretending like one is like the other?? If so, you're an imbecile. And liar.

Beyonce sells music. Is sex appeal a part of that? Absolutely. Is sex appeal her only tangible talent and product? Absolutely not.

It is beyond idiotic to pretend one is like the other.

You cant penalize women for being attractive and feminine and then allow that to be co-opted by one whose only "talent" is having a vagina.

There is a distinct difference in the two. And for Amber to insinuate that all are the same merely because they are female is counter to her faux feminist empowerment bullshit which espouses that woman should be treated as individuals on the merits... But this is what happens when stupid people pretend to be smart.

Ether and folks need to stop saying Beyounce can't sing

 

[ViCiouS]

?? Most female R&B singers and female rappers have talent. Be it singing or rapping, that's the separating factor. Perfecting their crafts for years before they were ever on anyone's radar.

What does Amber have to offer outside taking her clothes off?

If we're equating the two, can I grab my favourite Instagram model and equate her "talent" to that of an Alicia Keys or a Mary J Blige? Are they then equal?

they also have put in real work... 80 or more hours a week... could you see that slut rehearsing choreography and voice to put together a 45 t0 90 minute set that Bey does? never mind recording, promo etc that bitch would die

 

[theteacher]

I hate when hoes try to compare themselves to a wife. There's a reason why you chose to route you did.

 

[geechiedan]

Beyonce sells music. Is sex appeal a part of that? Absolutely.

thats all she's saying the degree to which that is is beyond the point. Beyonce made the choice to shake and twerk her ass in skimpy outfits and have sexually raunchy lyrics in her songs as a selling point...SEX SELLS. so what amber is more extreme its STILL selling SEX. making moral judgements on it is what YOU need to differentiate the two.

 

[trstar]

Nah bro. Her premise isnt correct. It become invalid the moment she verbalized an expectation to be viewed and critiqued in the same light as someone she has NOTHING in common with.

Its the epitome of a false equivalency argument.

Again, she is literally famous for who she is fucking and what she wears. Thats it. And she embraced that until she was tired of embracing what all comes with it... And now she wants to change the rules of the agreement after cashing the check. Dont work like that. When it was a come up, she welcomed it and labeled those criticizing from the cheap seats as "haters".. Now that she is financially comfortable, she wants to renegotiate terms and challenge perceptions.

She's trying to pull every woman into her "ho world" to gain more respectability.

 

[Flawless]

That's the only difference, everytime I see Beyoncé she is dressed like she is about to strip on stage just to lip sync a song.

 

[LennyNero1972]

HOT BOOTY!!!!!!!!! For reals no one pays attention to mouthy hooker Amber move on love your time is done.

 

[slam]

 

[II Dxnum]

geechiedan is peter rosenberg.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Funny thing is I agree with you, but to ignore the truth that many (most) R&B female singers AND female rappers are basically "lite" versions of all that Amber Rose holds dear is stretching reality a bit. Her premise is correct, but it is being over looked because of her person and who she mentioned in her diatribe. If it had been an anonymous posting about the topic, without names being dropped it would have been better received. Even from the Beyonce crowd who now attack Amber.

Everything is different when one's favorite cow/bull isn't being sacrificed on the altar.

It's not though lol. Beyonce wasn't a sex worker. Nor did she have a sex tape.
Her and Amber Rose shouldn't be in the same paragraph.

 

[durham]

geechiedan is peter rosenberg.

Ii