'Death to US': Anti-Americanism examined

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The US is perceived by many as an international bully,
a modern day imperial power. At this critical moment in
history, Washington correspondent Justin Webb challenges that idea.
He argues anti-Americanism is often a cover for hatreds with little
justification in fact. His three part series takes him to Cairo, Caracas
and Washington but it begins where anti-Americanism began - in Paris. </font size></center>

BBC News
Thursday, 12 April 2007

In the Abbey Churchyard in the lovely English city of Bath, groups of demonstrators, many - though not all - of them Quakers, regularly gather to protest against the iniquities of the world.

My dear mother Gloria Webb, who died last year, was one of the protesters. In her day, she was an energetic duffle-coated figure who wanted to ban the bomb, stop wars of all kinds and suffering anywhere.

She was a wonderful person, my mum, and so were her friends. Yet it always struck me, when she told me about these protests (and when, I freely confess, I attended them with enthusiasm as a youngster) that there was an odd one-sidedness to the game.

The protests against nuclear weapons, for instance, concentrated on American weapons. The anti-war rallies were against American-led wars. The anti death penalty campaign focused on Texas.

A pattern was emerging and has never seriously been altered. A pattern of willingness to condemn America for the tiniest indiscretion - or to magnify those indiscretions - while leaving the murderers, dictators, and thieves who run other nations oddly untouched.

In the beginning

And if anti-Americanism is alive and well among surprisingly mild-mannered people in Britain - how much more virulent must it be in tougher parts of the world?

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Criticism of American power and
American life lives on in Paris


To find out, I have visited Venezuela, where the nation's leader Hugo Chavez compares George W Bush to Hitler, and Egypt, where the regime warns of a tide of stars and stripes burning if its hold on power is weakened.

And Paris. Paris? Yes Paris - where it all began.

Anti-Americanism was born in France. And here's a fascinating fact: it was born well before the United States existed. It was not caused by Coca-Cola, or McDonald's, or Hollywood or George W Bush.

The prevailing view among French academics throughout the 18th Century was that the New World was ghastly. It stank, it was too humid for life to prosper. And, as one European biologist put it: "Everything found there is degenerate or monstrous."

In their heart of hearts, many French people still believe that to be true.

A French intellectual once compared the United States with Belgium. Wounding. But you see what he meant: the French capital has a grandeur about it that demands attention on the world stage. Belgium does not, nor does most of America.

Washington is grand but Washington was designed by a Frenchman and his vision didn't fit the rest of the nation. America is ordinary. Go on say it out loud on the streets of Paris: "America is ordinary". It celebrates the pursuit of small-scale happiness - in families and communities - and that is what the anti-Americans can't stand.

Dislike

In the heart of Paris, there is the Avenue Franklin Roosevelt. Roosevelt, the man who helped defeat Nazi Germany and liberate Parisian streets, is celebrated here. And the point many French people make is that they would celebrate George W Bush, too, if they agreed with him. The source of anti-Americanism is plain they say. As one interviewee told us: "It's the policies, Stupid."

Well up to a point: in Paris there is plenty of evidence to be found that anti-Americanism is way more than that, that it's not simply reasonable opposition to the things America does.

The kind of anti-Americanism fostered by French intellectuals down the centuries revolves around intense dislike of what America is - not what it does.

Sitting in the Cafe de Flore, in the very seat where Jean-Paul Sartre once held sway, the self-described writer and philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy puts it like this: America became the nightmare that French right-wing intellectuals long feared, a nation built not on respectable ties of blood and tradition but on the self-conscious desire to create something new.

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Bernard-Henri Levy says more
balance is needed in the French
debate on America

Antagonism

Levy is sympathetic to the US, and a book he wrote on his travels there, American Vertigo, is a balanced and thoughtful piece of work.

But such balance is, according to Levy, missing in the French political debate on American power and American life. He describes a process whereby this antagonism to the fundamentals of the USA - to the kind of democracy that celebrates and encourages ordinariness - migrates hither and thither in the French body politic.

It began on the right but now in the shape of Jose Bove (the anti-McDonald's campaigner, and presidential candidate) and other luminaries of the left, it lives on.

And this is not a recent migration brought on by Mr Bush. In May 1944 (just weeks before American GIs landed on the beaches of Normandy), Hubert Beuve-Mery, the founder of Le Monde newspaper - certainly no mouthpiece of the right - wrote this: "The Americans represent a real danger for France, different from the one posed by Germany or the one with which the Russians may - in time - threaten us. The Americans may have preserved a cult of Liberty but they do not feel the need to liberate themselves from the servitude which their capitalism has created. "

It is time that we understood that this attitude, this contempt for what democracy can do, is at the heart of at least some of the anti-Americanism we see in the world today.

"Death to America": Anti-Americanism examined will be broadcast on Radio 4 over three weeks starting on 16 April at 2000 BST.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6547881.stm
 

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Egyptian Intellectual Speaks Of the Arab World's Despair
Tuesday, April 8, 2003
by Susan Sachs

CAIRO, April 6 — Early in the morning, while most of Cairo is asleep, Ahmed Kamal Aboulmagd watches the war on television and despairs over the path taken by the United States. Even in the gloom of 4 a.m., this is not a normal emotion for Mr. Aboulmagd, a sprightly man of 72 who has lived through more than his share of revolutions, wars and international crises, yet has maintained a marvelously sunny outlook.

"We should never lose hope," he remarked the other day from his 18th-floor law office overlooking the Nile, a room crammed with books and brightened with paintings of sailboats on calm waters. "Frustration is not an option."


Ahmed Kamal Aboulmagd in his 18th-floor law office in Cairo. (NYT Photo/Mohamed El-Dakhakhny)

But in truth, Mr. Aboulmagd admitted, he is just whistling in the dark. Never have America's Arab friends, he said, felt so estranged from the United States.

"People in Egypt and many parts of the Arab world used to love America, and now they have a sense of being betrayed, misunderstood, taken lightly," he said. "And when it comes to the central problem of the Middle East — the Arab-Israeli conflict — we feel that even a minimum of American even-handedness is missing."

Mr. Aboulmagd is one of Egypt's best-known intellectuals, a senior aide to former President Anwar el Sadat, consultant to the United Nations and ever-curious polymath whose interests range across the fields of Islamic jurisprudence, comparative religions, literature, history and commercial law.

Like many educated Egyptians of his generation, he is a man whose views on democracy and political values were shaped by reading the United States Constitution, the Federalist papers and the writings of Thomas Jefferson and Woodrow Wilson.

For him the United States was a "dream," a paragon of liberal values to be emulated by Arabs and Muslims seeking to have a voice in the modern world.

One of his daughters lived in the United States. Mr. Aboulmagd studied there, earning a master's degree in comparative law at the University of Michigan in 1959. He served as president of the administrative tribunal of the World Bank in Washington. And he has spent more than 20 years of his life working on projects aimed at promoting dialogue between the Western, non-Muslim civilization and the Arab-Muslim world.

Yet these days, in his opinion, something has gone terribly wrong.

"Under the present situation, I cannot think of defending the United States," said Mr. Aboulmagd, a small man with thinning white hair who juggles a constant stream of phone calls and invitations to speak about modernizing the Arab world.

"I would not be listened to," he added. "To most people in this area, the United States is the source of evil on planet earth. And whether we like it or not, it is the Bush administration that is to blame."

When speaking of President Bush and his administration, Mr. Aboulmagd uses words like narrow-minded, pathological, obstinate and simplistic. The war on Iraq, he said bluntly, is the act of a "weak person who wants to show toughness" and, quite frankly, seems "deranged."

Such language from a man of Mr. Aboulmagd's stature is a warning sign of the deep distress that has seized the Arab elite, those who preach moderation in the face of rising Islamic radicalism and embrace liberalism over the tired slogans of Arab nationalism.

Similar opinions can also be heard these days from wealthy Arab businessmen, university professors, senior government officials and Western-leaning political analysts — the people whose support could help advance the Bush administration's professed mission: to bring democracy to the Arab world.

Mr. Aboulmagd has a hand in just about every institution or board that counts in Egypt, including al Azhar, the authoritative institution of Sunni Muslim learning. He is consulted on inter-cultural dialogue by the United Nations, the Arab League and the European Union. He has taught law in universities in Egypt, Sudan and Kuwait.

He is the epitome of the Arab establishment. Sprinkled throughout his conversation are anecdotes about President Sadat and recollections of discussions with luminaries like the United Nations general secretary, Kofi Annan. He receives phone calls from Arab presidents and kings. His office is filled with mementos from trips around the world as a lecturer and consultant. An oversize Koran in a green leather case rests on a coffee table along with a rendition of the scales of justice in brass and alabaster.

He has devoted decades of his life and his writings to the cause of modernizing Islamic life and promoting understanding between Muslims and non-Muslims.

Now those efforts, Mr. Aboulmagd said, have been set back by President Bush's "exaggerated" response to the terror attacks of Sept. 11, a response he believes only encouraged mutual enmity and suspicion by painting Muslims and Arabs as potential enemies to be reformed or destroyed.

"I find what is happening to be a serious setback in the endeavors of noble people who have realized the commonalities among different civilizations and nations," he said.

The problem, he said, is that the war on Iraq is widely seen in the Arab world as an attack on all Arabs, meant to serve the interests of Israel with no compensating outreach to aggrieved Arabs.

While the 1991 Persian Gulf war, under Mr. Bush's father, was waged with the understanding that the United States would engage itself in the search for peace, he said, this war was launched without a parallel American effort to compel Israel to forge a genuine peace with the Palestinians.

"The United States has played a destructive role by giving direct or indirect green lights to the Israeli government to do what it pleases," Mr. Aboulmagd said. "This is ruining Israel's future in the area. And whatever, even if all the Arabs sign up, this is a truce, this is a ceasefire, this is not peace. It is not peace. If you want peace you must have genuine desire for peace."

If the Iraq war comes to be seen as an American war against Islam, he added, President Bush may be partly to blame. "He believes he was chosen by the Almighty to fulfill a Christian mission," Mr. Aboulmagd said. "Or at least he was made to believe that by the people around him."

Still, at the end of three hours of discussion, he returned to an optimistic viewpoint — a position that clearly fits his nature.

"Many people are talking about planet earth being no more a safe place for anyone, but I am optimistic," he said. "I believe dialogue is needed now, so we should not give in to desperation, to loss of hope, to pessimism. Rather we should act actively and continue the path of dialogue and the path of understanding, simply because we cannot afford the other consequence."

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company
 

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Up until the early 90s, the French still had love for these United States, despite disagreements in the past. Afterall, American forces were a welcome presence on the beaches of Normandy and inward, saved thousands, perhaps millions from the destructive Nazi movement. It was the United States, who refused the comradery of the French and the ousting of the Americans in 1966, was the beginning of bad blood. Think of, however, how many other world events led to the degradation of respect, for The United States, and now Americans, overall up to today. Being multicultual, I am American to the heart, but i still reserve a large amount of respect for my French heritage, it is rich in history, culture, respect & continuity with the Earth. Perhaps, it seems a little sugar coated, but at the same time, being afforded the best of both worlds, its not hard to conclude that European living is more condusive to humanity as a whole...

http://www.history.com/tdih.do?id=1327&action=tdihArticleCategory
 

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Up until the early 90s, the French still had love for these United States, despite disagreements in the past. Afterall, American forces were a welcome presence on the beaches of Normandy and inward, saved thousands, perhaps millions from the destructive Nazi movement. It was the United States, who refused the comradery of the French and the ousting of the Americans in 1966, was the beginning of bad blood. Think of, however, how many other world events led to the degradation of respect, for The United States, and now Americans, overall up to today. Being multicultual, I am American to the heart, but i still reserve a large amount of respect for my French heritage, it is rich in history, culture, respect & continuity with the Earth. Perhaps, it seems a little sugar coated, but at the same time, being afforded the best of both worlds, its not hard to conclude that European living is more condusive to humanity as a whole...

http://www.history.com/tdih.do?id=1327&action=tdihArticleCategory
IMO, the French are bitter because we supplanted them as a superpower. And they are ones to talk, they embraced Empire more thouroughly than the US for a longer time than the US. And didn't they just suppress a huge round of rioting at the hands of thier dispossesed recentlyt immigrated Muslim minority who can't get jobs because of the high unemployment rate in France ?
However, I cannot wait until Bush is out of office so the new administration can start repairing this foreign relations mess.
 

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'Death to US': Anti-Americanism examined
The US is perceived by many as an international bully,
a modern day imperial power. At this critical moment in
history, Washington correspondent Justin Webb challenges that idea.
He argues anti-Americanism is often a cover for hatreds with little
justification in fact. His three part series takes him to Cairo, Caracas
and Washington but it begins where anti-Americanism began - in Paris.

:hmm: manure

Take us to Haiti or Iran or Chile or Argentina or Nicaragua or The Congo or Vietnam or Iraq.

Sorry, but suggesting there aren't enough facts to justify having an issue with America killed that bullshit article from the jump.
Cmon there has to be a better case to be made than that.


The US is perceived by many as an international bully,
a modern day imperial power.

How many nations do we have troops stationed in?
How many oceans and seas have our aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines in them?
How many nations our are troops in killing people? How many people have they killed?
How dominant is the US in international relations?
How many nations has the US bombed, attacked, invaded or destabilized through other means in the past 100 years?


No justification in fact? :lol:
 

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Fuckallyall said:
IMO, the French are bitter because we supplanted them as a superpower. And they are ones to talk, they embraced Empire more thouroughly than the US for a longer time than the US. And didn't they just suppress a huge round of rioting at the hands of thier dispossesed recentlyt immigrated Muslim minority who can't get jobs because of the high unemployment rate in France ?
However, I cannot wait until Bush is out of office so the new administration can start repairing this foreign relations mess.

Pour the French wine in the streets and call em freedom fries!!
Betcha it was French table wine they poured. The best American fries can't hold up against pommefrits, do you think they(French people) care????

United States, Americans, was built on murder & enslavement of many races. Today, we have become isolationists, discouraging people from traveling to foreign countries, for good reason, the spread of bad foreign policy, in anglo saxon countries, read below the article...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/19/AR2005121901801.html
 
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