Dave Chapelle - Unforgiven (Don’t stream Chapelle Show Anymore!!!!)

[Amajorfucup]

On April 19, 2011, Happy Days co-stars Erin Moran, Don Most, Marion Ross and Anson Williams, as well as the estate of Tom Bosley (who died in 2010), filed a $10 million breach-of-contract lawsuit against CBS, which owns the show, claiming they had not been paid for merchandising revenues owed under their contracts.[32]

The cast members claimed they had not received revenues from show-related items, including comic books, T-shirts, scrapbooks, trading cards, games, lunch boxes, dolls, toy cars, magnets, greeting cards and DVDs where their images appear on the box covers. Under their contracts, they were supposed to be paid 5% of the net proceeds of merchandising if their sole image were used, and half that amount if they were in a group. CBS said it owed the actors $8,500 and $9,000 each, most of it from slot machine revenues, but the group said they were owed millions.[33] The lawsuit was initiated after Ross was informed by a friend playing slots at a casino of a Happy Days machine on which players win the jackpot when five Marion Rosses are rolled.

In October 2011, a judge rejected the group's fraud claim, which meant they could not receive millions of dollars in potential damages.[34] On June 5, 2012, a judge denied a motion filed by CBS to have the case thrown out, which meant it would go to trial on July 17 if the matter was not settled by then.[35] In July 2012, the actors settled their lawsuit with CBS. Each received a payment of $65,000 and a promise by CBS to continue honoring the terms of their contracts.[36][37]

do you know how popular that show was in its time?? they sued for MILLIONS and only got 65k...over the last 45 years CBS has generated hundreds of MILLIONS off that show and those character and the likeness of the actors who portrayed them..

how did their whiteness protect them? what pass did they get?

Again I'm NOT saying that racism doesn't exist...I'm saying that industry is designed to fuck over EVERYBODY.

None of these were creators, writers.. They were all mere "talent" so its not exactly a good comparison with Dave. Also, you my notice the Jew, Henry Winkler didnt take part in this suit. My point remains that black talent has always gotten exploited at a far higher rate than their white counterparts.

 

[mcguyver]

No but dude said he learned a lesson about getting between a man and his paper but that's exactly what he's doing. He's upset about a deal he willingly accepted so he's trying to prevent anyone involved from eating. The residuals he receives from that show may not be much to him but to others it could mean a lot.

Read what @Picasso said. Dave said he's not getting paid, you think they not paying Dave but paying the othe black folk?

 

[REDLINE]

Alot of these niggas hate women. Especially ones who look like their mother.

I love women, I love Black women, I love my Mom, I don’t like white women, I don’t like Amy Schumer, she’s not funny to me, I’m not a coon, I’m not an Uncle Tom, I’m not any other negative term that one can come up with because I don’t agree with Mo’Nique regarding her offer.

Netflix as well as every other company on Earth does discriminate, that’s not in question. My only issue with Mo’Nique’s discrimination claim is she named the salaries of the top comedians in the game. Not regular comedians that she knew of that got low offers. Wanda Sykes agree after Mo’Nique went public with her offer.

But for the life that of me, I can’t understand how Dave’s situation is remotely similar to Mo’Nique’s or why people are comparing the two?

Katt Williams a fellow comedian stated Mo’Nique’s offer was based on her last tours ticket sales. But still some argue against those facts?

I’ll also add that it’s about a comedian’s popularity. On social media, movies, tv etc which all lead to the offer.



And unlike many, I can admit when or if I’m wrong.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

That agree.

But SURPASS PRYOR AND COSBY?

He can
He's in the space they were in

Cosby pryor carlin

It starts being incredible commentary and they are story tellers that sometimes make you laugh.

 

[REDLINE]

But SURPASS PRYOR AND COSBY?

I’d really have to hear from people that were alive and actively into comedy during that time period and listen to what they had to say.

 

[Amajorfucup]

I love women, I love Black women, I love my Mom, I don’t like white women, I don’t like Amy Schumer, she’s not funny to me, I’m not a coon, I’m not an Uncle Tom, I’m not any other negative term that one can come up with because I don’t agree with Mo’Nique regarding her offer.

Netflix as well as every other company on Earth does discriminate, that’s not in question. My only issue with Mo’Nique’s discrimination claim is she named the salaries of the top comedians in the game. Not regular comedians that she knew of that got low offers. Wanda Sykes agree after Mo’Nique went public with her offer.

But for the life that of me, I can’t understand how Dave’s situation is remotely similar to Mo’Nique’s or why people are comparing the two?

Katt Williams a fellow comedian stated Mo’Nique’s offer was based on her last tours ticket sales. But still some argue against those facts?

I’ll also add that it’s about a comedian’s popularity. On social media, movies, tv etc which all lead to the offer.



And unlike many, I can admit when or if I’m wrong.

Cool. We disagree. My issue is with those who seem to relish in her pain and grievance against a billion dollar corporation and find humor in her allegations of discrimination. Its ho shit... coon even. I also wont continue to debate the matter because discussing legal issues on the merits is largely a waste of time around here. Lucky for Monique tho, the judge seem to agree with me that she deserves her day in court.

 

[REDLINE]

Cool. We disagree. My issue is with those who seem to relish in her pain and grievance against a billion dollar corporation and find humor in her allegations of discrimination. Its ho shit... coon even. I also wont continue to debate the matter because discussing legal issues on the merits is largely a waste of time around here. Lucky for Monique tho, the judge seem to agree with me that she deserves her day in court.

I don’t relish in the pain and I wish her the best and I hope she wins everything she deserves.

I don’t disagree, I look at the facts and the facts speak for themselves. Schumer sells out MSG for two nights with a capacity of 20k. Mo’Nique performs at 800 seat theaters. The numbers and argument just doesn’t add up in her favor.

I wish her the best and much success.

 

[LordSinister]

I could legit listen to Chapelle talk all day.
He’s a phenomenal story teller.
And an excellent teacher.

We got to chill with Dave for about a week right after he did Half Baked. He was cool as hell and a blast to be around.

 

[playahaitian]

He can
He's in the space they were in

Cosby pryor carlin

It starts being incredible commentary and they are story tellers that sometimes make you laugh.

I agree he CAN

that brother is a genius but he aint SURPASS them YET

 

[LordSinister]

Sounds like Dave got caught out like many "artist" do with a technology shift, he had a contract that did not stipulate percentages for DVD sales, the DVD personal buying boom was just begining. No one was streaming, there are languages that talk about future tech but its often left vague so that I can be argued in the benefit of the company.

His argument is fairness, not contractual, but there is no fairness (only contractual)in business. All he can do is apply pressure, it may or may not work.

I'm not arguing in favor of large business, there is no loyalty. I hate when companies say that they are a family, thats a lie we need to stop telling.

There was a big issue with the advent of syndication of TV shows, originally no one thought anyone would rewatch old shows. Artist, writers, and such had to sue networks for residuals.

That's how a lot of the OG's in the music business got fucked over. The contract would pay for sales of "phonograph" records, but when cassettes, CD's and DVD's came out and the albums were re-issued, they didn't pay them for those sales.

Newer contracts add Streaming and any future distribution in the known universe type of shit.

It seems like Dave should have re-negotiated his contract after the first season. His Manager and Lawyer must have been shitty back then.

 

[playahaitian]

I’d really have to hear from people that were alive and actively into comedy during that time period and listen to what they had to say.

Look i REMEMBER those records i know people who were THERE

i know people who saw a young clean Pryor

His SNL performance his talk show spots his movies his tv show his stand up

Thank God you can easily experience all that still

I don't throw Pryor Cosby Red Carlin Eddie names around easily

He CUT FROM THAT CLOTH. He is the next one.

But to say he surpassed THEM?

He sitting on a throne his comedic ancestors built with blood sweat tears and bone.

Aint no surpassing that

At least not yet

Not to me.

But right now?

The last damn year 10 years even with his break?

No one f*cking with Dave on that stage with that mic in his hand.

Respect to Rock bill burr louie CK and them

And those who cut they own lane like John Mulaney i respect DIFFERENT.

Or steady grinding like dean cole

But Chappelle is KING of this era and a couple of others

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I agree he CAN

that brother is a genius but he aint SURPASS them YET

He's mighty close.

It's rare to be a thing when things already existed

There were no pryor or cosby then they came

Dave came and they existed and still finds himself in the conversation that has to be accounted for

 

[REDLINE]

Look i REMEMBER those records i know people who were THERE

i know people who saw a young clean Pryor

His SNL performance his talk show spots his movies his tv show his stand up

Thank God you can easily experience all that still

I don't throw Pryor Cosby Red Carlin Eddie names around easily

He CUT FROM THAT CLOTH. He is the next one.

But to say he surpassed THEM?

He sitting on a throne his comedic ancestors built with blood sweat tears and bone.

Aint no surpassing that

At least not yet

Not to me.

But right now?

The last damn year 10 years even with his break?

No one f*cking with Dave on that stage with that mic in his hand.

Respect to Rock bill burr louie CK and them

And those who cut they own lane like John Mulaney i respect DIFFERENT.

Or steady grinding like dean cole

But Chappelle is KING of this era and a couple of others

Chappelle’s definitely the king now and that’s without a doubt! He’s definitely cut from the cloth of the greats but I can say he surpassed them.

The problem with going back and listening is most of the time it won’t hit as hard or resonate with the new listeners. That’s why I said I’ll have to hear from those who really lived and felt those from the past.

 

[playahaitian]

He's mighty close.

It's rare to be a thing when things already existed

There were no pryor or cosby then they came

Dave came and they existed and still finds himself in the conversation that has to be accounted for

Well f*cking said

 

[playahaitian]

Chappelle’s definitely the king now and that’s without a doubt! He’s definitely cut from the cloth of the greats but I can say he surpassed them.

The problem with going back and listening is most of the time it won’t hit as hard or resonate with the new listeners. That’s why I said I’ll have to hear from those who really lived and felt those from the past.

I kinda disagree there.

You are 100% CONTEXT matters.

I get it.

Seeing MJ change hands live in the moment?

Ain't the same on youtube

But Carlin working?

Redd Foxx cooking?

Cosby doing the dentist routine?

Billy crystal doing Ali?

Pryor on sunset?

Eddie in delirious

Robin Billy Whoopie comic relief improv

Kings of Comedy

Bernie on def jam? Martin?

Sinbad doing 30 minutes clean with a band behind him killing.

DL going sniper on the audience

Patrice blacking out

Carol burnett gone with the wond skit

Jim carrey ace ventura

Lucille ball...ANYTHING

Corman doing the dentist skit

Groucho Marx telling the cigar joke

Abbott Costello whose on first

Reiner, The oldest man in the world?

These are singular performances working on an emotional and cerebral level.

I can hear just the AUDIO which many times i prefer and it still HITS.

THAT IS WHAT THE GREATS IN ANY MEDIUM DO.

Timeless.

Foundational.

Mesmerizing.

If it don't do that?

Then you not even in this conversation

you not invited in the room, maybe not even the block.

 

[doug777]

Read what @Picasso said. Dave said he's not getting paid, you think they not paying Dave but paying the othe black folk?

Dave said he gets nothing from all the platforms streaming his show. So if he gets nothing, then everyone else is definitely getting nothing too.

When he says he gets nothing he means relative to the show's worth. As a member of The Screen Actors Guild and most likely The Writers Guild Of America he's getting residuals for the shows he appeared in as well as any shows he has a writing credit in.

 

[geechiedan]

None of these were creators, writers.. They were all mere "talent" so its not exactly a good comparison with Dave. Also, you my notice the Jew, Henry Winkler didnt take part in this suit. My point remains that black talent has always gotten exploited at a far higher rate than their white counterparts.

I never denied that..I said that dave contract was fucked up....in perpetuity throughout the universe...is fucked up but its also standard language.
the basic point is regardless of the specifics the happy days crew got ganked and their whiteness didn't stop CBS from sticking it in and breaking it off.

In fact CBS ADMITTED they owed them money the dispute was about the amount.

HDs said millions...CBS said we owe you less than 10k...well they weren't paying them THAT either. So the general thing here is CBS was making money off their likeness and NOT PAYING THEM FOR IT PERIOD.

As far as the fonz...he was the most popular character on the show and richie was who the show was based around so clearly they all had different deals...just like Chappelle and Monique have different deals

Monique claims netflix discriminated against her as a woman and black person and is suing them for that..

dave Chappelle just said in front of the entire world: "That's why I fuck with Netflix, because they pay me my money, they do what they say they're gonna do,"

two black people... same company two different deals.

So again race can be a factor but it may not be the biggest factor here.

 

[REDLINE]

I kinda disagree there.

You are 100% CONTEXT matters.

I get it.

Seeing MJ change hands live in the moment?

Ain't the same on youtube

But Carlin working?

Redd Foxx cooking?

Cosby doing the dentist routine?

Billy crystal doing Ali?

Pryor on sunset?

Eddie in delirious

Robin Billy Whoopie comic relief improv

Kings of Comedy

Bernie on def jam? Martin?

Sinbad doing 30 minutes clean with a band behind him killing.

DL going sniper on the audience

Patrice blacking out

These are singular performances working on an emotional and cerebral level.

I can hear just the AUDIO which many times i prefer and it still HITS.

THAT IS WHAT THE GRWATS IN ANY MEDIUM DO.

Timeless.

Foundational.

Mesmerizing.

If it don't do that?

Then you not even in this conversation you not invited in the room, maybe not even the block.

Unfortunately time changes and some things from the past don’t stand up to the test of time. Looking at dunk contest from the past looks damn near amateurish compared to today’s dunks. That’s just one example.

Giving someone a Nas, Wu-Tang, Biggie, Snoop or Tupac CD might not give them the same feeling or hit as hard to them as it did back then to us.

Things advance and some things can sound dated and not as funny as those who lived through it did back then.

You lived during that time period, showing someone videos or have them listening to tapes from back then they might not feel or understand the passion or gravity of that work.

 

[Amajorfucup]

In fact CBS ADMITTED they owed them money the dispute was about the amount.

Then this shouldnt be used as a comparison because the claims are not one in the same.

As far as the fonz...he was the most popular character on the show and richie was who the show was based around so clearly they all had different deals...just like Chappelle and Monique have different deals

Again, another reason why this is a poor comparison. But, please, keep making my point for me...

So again race can be a factor but it may not be the biggest factor here.

You were speaking in general terms and going out of you way to state that race wasnt the biggest factor in discriminatory practices. I told you that statement was in direct contradiction with the historical account and evidence. And it is. That was my point . And its not a disputable one.

 

[playahaitian]

Unfortunately time changes and some things from the past don’t stand up to the test of time. Looking at dunk contest from the past looks damn near amateurish compared to today’s dunks. That’s just one example.

Giving someone a Nas, Wu-Tang, Biggie, Snoop or Tupac CD might not give them the same feeling or hit as hard to them as it did back then to us.

Things advance and some things can sound dated and not as funny as those who lived through it did back then.

You lived during that time period, showing someone videos or have them listening to tapes from back then they might not feel or understand the passion or gravity of that work.

Again thats true

But you seen YouTube clips with the reaction of kids hearing those records

I ain't talking random

I'm talking legends

My baby girl hears Stevie, Michael, LL and even Wu tang and goes nuts

I just did a netflix party with my cousins and showed them return to 36 chambers

They went wild

I love lucy

Twilight zone

James brown

Vince carter dunks

RESONATE

I'm not talking EVERYTHING

I'm talking classics

Some didn't appreciate Jordan IN THE MOMENT EITHER.

Thats an indictment on THEM.

Real recognize real.

The point is there is genius there is timeless

Now specifically comedy?

That is so special...

Honeymooners been on tv for damn near 75 years for a reason

Cause funny is funny.

Chapelle show clayton Bixby?

Forever funny.

Anything Kevin Hart?

Not so much.

 

[geechiedan]

Then this shouldnt be used as a comparison because the claims are not one in the same.

Again, another reason why this is a poor comparison. But, please, keep making my point for me...

the point is they got fucked over in their dealings with the network..they didn't get a pass because their white.

You were speaking in general terms and going out of you way to state that race wasnt the biggest factor in discriminatory practices. I told you that statement was in direct contradiction with the historical account and evidence. And it is. That was my point . And its not a disputable one.

I said IN DAVE'S CASE race may not have been the biggest factor in how CC dealt with him....as someone else pointed out earlier in the thread dave may have gotten a good deal AT THAT TIME and the wording of the contract states something that now bites him in the ass because of the high popularity of the show a decade later.

But dave most likely got fucked not just because he was black but because he was naive and/or vulnerable. And the latter can happen to ANYBODY...gary owens isn't gonna get a fair deal and the line "in perpetuity throughout the universe" taken out of his contract simply because he's white.
If gary is slipping or desperate..they're going to fuck him over too.

 

[REDLINE]

Again thats true

But you seen YouTube clips with the reaction of kids hearing those records

I ain't talking random

I'm talking legends

My baby girl hears Stevie, Michael, LL and even Wu tang and goes nuts

I just did a netflix party with my cousins and showed them return to 36 chambers

They went wild

I love lucy

Twilight zone

James brown

Vince carter dunks

RESONATE

I'm not talking EVERYTHING

I'm talking classics

Some didn't appreciate Jordan IN THE MOMENT EITHER.

Thats an indictment on THEM.

Real recognize real.

The point is there is genius there is timeless

Now specifically comedy?

That is so special...

Honeymooners been on tv for damn near 75 years for a reason

Cause funny is funny.

Chapelle show clayton Bixby?

Forever funny.

Anything Kevin Hart?

Not so much.

Trust me man I hear you!

 

[playahaitian]

Trust me man I hear you!

I would like to apologize formally to Kevin, no joke

he IS pound for pound funny.

You know commensurate with his height and weight.

Happy Thanksgiving

 

[Amajorfucup]

the point is they got fucked over in their dealings with the network..they didn't get a pass because their white.

Look her my man, fuck the back and forth.. Do blacks (and do blacks historically) get screwed in business dealings with cac disproportionately than non blacks?

Thats the fucking point. The entertainment industry is built on talented blacks being fucked over by non talented jews and whites who monopolized ownership and decision making positions despite being void of any discernable talent.

 

[geechiedan]

I would like to apologize formally to Kevin, no joke

he IS pound for pound funny.

You know commensurate with his height and weight.

Happy Thanksgiving

I never understood why people feel compelled to compare comedians... you'd never compare the Flintstones to the Thundercats but people insist on comparing Hart to Chappelle...makes no sense.

 

[REDLINE]

I would like to apologize formally to Kevin, no joke

he IS pound for pound funny.

You know commensurate with his height and weight.

Happy Thanksgiving

 

[REDLINE]

I never understood why people feel compelled to compare comedians... you'd never compare the Flintstones to the Thundercats but people insist on comparing Hart to Chappelle...makes no sense.

Agreed

 

[geechiedan]

Look her my man, fuck the back and forth.. Do blacks (and do blacks historically) get screwed in business dealings with cac disproportionately than non blacks?

Thats the fucking point. The entertainment industry is built on talented blacks being fucked over by non talented jews and whites who monopolized ownership and decision making positions despite being void of any discernable talent.

agree.... was race the ONLY factor in Dave Chappelle getting fucked over by comedy central?

 

[REDLINE]

agree.... was race the ONLY factor in Dave Chappelle getting fucked over by comedy central?

Nope, he was hungry from a show after shooting so many pilots so he was damn near desperate and excited to finally have a show Green lit.

 

[playahaitian]

I never understood why people feel compelled to compare comedians... you'd never compare the Flintstones to the Thundercats but people insist on comparing Hart to Chappelle...makes no sense.

It was a joke.

But when did you hear me COMPARE these two?

They are completely different forms of comedy.

The only thing they have in common is stand up.

 

[geechiedan]

It was a joke.

But when did you hear me COMPARE these two?

i mean in general.. I've seen many comment sections where people do that. they did it with hart and katt Williams... and the only things those two had in common was they were short black stand up comedians..even katt played into it.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

he ain't even tryng to be funny a lot of times....it's more like a sermon or a lecture

I've come to feel da same way about him. Which isn't a bad thing at all.

 

[playahaitian]

i mean in general.. I've seen many comment sections where people do that. they did it with hart and katt Williams... and the only things those two had in common was they were short black stand up comedians..even katt played into it.

While i agree with you.

The thing is comedy is a competitive medium.

Funny is funny

Funny is universal

Charlie chaplin jerry lewis

No sound is timeless universal funny

Mr. Bean benny hill get mad respect in the hood.

So while there is styles and wright divisions?

All i care about at the end of the day is where the funny at?

Seinfeld and Bernie Mac no where the same.

But like an old southern coach said

You wanna figure out who the REAL is?

When i can take yours and beat mine, and i can take mine and beat yours.

I don't know if Seinfeld could conquer the old Apollo talent night, comic view, the tonight show or a random nyc subway platform but he could do 2 shows a night in vegas for a month and kill and make a classic sitcom

Bernie could do it all

 

[playahaitian]

he ain't even tryng to be funny a lot of times....it's more like a sermon or a lecture

You saying that like its bad thing.

 

[REDLINE]

i mean in general.. I've seen many comment sections where people do that. they did it with hart and katt Williams... and the only things those two had in common was they were short black stand up comedians..even katt played into it.

They literally always compare, it’s irritating but that’s seems like what we always have had to deal with instead of enjoying both.

Prince vs MJ

Kevin Hart vs Katt and Chappelle

Lebron bs MJ etc...