Cyba's Real Estate Investor Thread (What would I do if I started over today?)

[CybaCipha]

My goal for this thread is to put together a step by step guide for someone who wants to start out with Real Estate investing. I'm going to try and chronicle how I would do things differently if I started today.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer. Do not consider anything in this thread as legal advice. Results of the individual are up to the individual. Your success or failure is not dependent upon me or anything I post in this thread. My success and/or failure will not reflect your ability to succeed or fail. Take it or leave it. Your success is in your hands.

I have been dabbling with Real estate for ever 10 years. Most of that time I have been a landlord using my own credit and cash to buy my rentals and I've done a couple rehabs.

Over the past year or so I've been looking into other sides of the RE Investor game mainly wholesales/flipping and short sales. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

In the beginning you need to build a foundation. You will need to focus on 3 areas of education (in my opinion) in the beginning.

Real estate investing
Self improvement
Marketing

 

[CybaCipha]

Step 1: Education

I don't know how much time you have but I would spend the first 30 - 60 days reading and educating myself using the steps below. Live in the bookstore or library if you have to.

Book education:
Think and Grow Rich by Napolean Hill

The Millionaire Real estate investor by Keller

How to be a quick turn Real estate Investor by Ron LeGrand
** Must read .. this guy is the grand daddy of the business. Almost every Real Estate "Guru" out there learned from him.

Ron LeGrand, Carleton Sheets and Robert Allen were all students or Dr. Albert Lowry who is the Great-Grand-Daddy of the business.

Guerilla Marketing by Jay Conrad Levinson



Active education:
Pick a target area (this might change after reading the books but start today, just pick an area near you).

Learn your neighborhood. Ride a bike or walk your area.

Drive your neighborhood. Keep a notebook and pen in the car to write down addresses.

Check out houses in your target area. Look at the ones on sale and write down the addresses. Look at the values on Zillow.com.

Go to open houses on weekends. You need to visit 100 houses before you start your business.

Look in the paper and on the internet. Get familiar with Craigslist for your area. Look up the values in Zillow.

Create a spreadsheet for all the houses you investigate. Create fields for each of the following. Don't worry about any missing information. You will learn how to find it in part 2.

Fields​

Owner name
Phone number
Address
city
state
zip
county
property type (single family, duplex, ranch, brick, colonial, etc)
Bedrooms
Baths
Visited (yes/no)
Property value
Comps
Is it vacant?
tax information? How much were the taxes last year?
How did you find it?

You need to have a list of 50 over the next 30 - 60 days.

Action items:
1. Get a jar. Everyday you come home put all your coins from the day into it. Everytime you get paid put 20 or 40 or 60 away. You need to start creating habits now.
2. Get a computer. Obviously if you are reading this you have a computer.
3. Get office software. MS Office, google docs or some free shit ... get it. You will need it.
4. Get a notebook and a pen and carry it with you at all times.

I even posted a mindmap for you ignant non readin' ninjas!!!
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[hubris]

Good info! I've been at this point for 4 years, man. I'm going to get an llc started this week.

 

[CybaCipha]

STEP 2: Learn Your Area and Network

The next 30 - 60 days​

READ:
Read at least another RE book (Anything to do with Real estate investing, foreclosures, pre-foreclosures).
Read How to win friends and influence people
Read Real Estate Rainmaker: Guide to Online Marketing

Drive neighborhoods
1. Find vacant properties.
2. Look for the "We Buy houses signs" write the numbers. Call them and ask what types of properties they are looking for.

Find and join your local REIA - meet people, listen to them, network with them.

Visit the courthouse and city hall for your target area.
- Find where they keep the probates.
- Find where the auction information is. Take down some auction dates and visit one. Look at the people bidding, see if they have a business card after the auction. Find out what type of properties they are looking for.
- Find your buildings department and get some forms, say hi. Ask where you can find a list of licensed contractors, plumbers and electricians.
- Find the finance and tax department and ask about tax leins and tax lein sales. Take down the dates and go visit one. Do the same thing that you did for auctions. Take a card and ask questions.

Spreadsheet
Remember that spreadsheet you created? You will learn how to skip trace. This will be a valuable skill in the next few months.

Go to the following websites and try to get the missing information on your spreadsheet.

# Address.com
# Anywho.com
# AOL Whitepages
# Infospace.com
# Intelius.com
# PeopleFinders.com
# People.Yahoo.com
# Privateeye.com
# Superpages.com
# Switchboard.com
# Ussearch.com
# Whitepages.com
# Worldpages.com
# Zabasearch.com

Action items:
1. Start thinking about a business name
2. Start thinking about a website name
3. Join your local REIA
4. Visit the courthouse at least once a week.

 

[bigreg2007]

bump

 

[hubris]

great info!

 

[Kazoo]

Cyba I already owe you for your Tech drops .... now you're dropping Real Estate gems keep the info coming Big Dawg

bump

 

[spanishharlem]

Great Info​

 

[big pimp]

Bookmarked

 

[CybaCipha]

Recap: Review of your first 2 - 4 months of RE investing.


TIME:
Many people say they can't do this business because they don't have time. You can follow this schedule even if you work a full time job.
1. All you need is 2 hours a day M,W,F and about 4 - 8 hours on the weekend.
2. You will drive neighborhoods on your way to work, on your way home and on the weekends. Drive a different route to work each day. Leave a little earlier and take the long way sometimes. When you go shopping on the weekends check out the neighborhoods. Make sure you take a different way to and from wherever you go to on the weekend.
3. You will have to find some time to make it to the courthouse. Take a long lunch or take a half day off to visit the courthouse and City Hall.

If you are not working, you need to create a schedule so you can do this and you should be reading double what the full timers are reading and collecting double the information. If you are working at night you should be going to the courthouse a couple of hours a week to get familiar with the different departments.

You will have to give up the club, the TV, the internet, weed, whatever it takes. Despite what they tell you, you will need some cash and you will need to improve your credit.

Education:
You need to focus on 3 areas in the beginning.
1. Self improvement - you will be meeting and talking to alot of people. You will need to improve your speaking skills, your ability to meet people and build rapport. Practice by saying hello to strangers. Start a conversation for no reason at all with the person behind you on line at the grocery store.

All you ice grill thugs need to learn to smile when you talk to and greet people.

2. Real estate - you will need to learn about the business you are getting into. You will eventually want to build your library and learn about many different aspects of RE investing. There are many people out there who are doing what you want to do. Read a book, go meet some of them and ask questions. DaddyWarbucks, Kilogram, Krazydeafdog and others are currently doing or have done real estate. Hit them up. Hit me up in this thread.

3. Marketing - You will need to learn marketing. If you want to make this a business ... the type of sh*t that will allow you to quit your job, you will need to learn marketing. You don't have to master it, but you need to be good at it. As a matter of fact you will need to master it because your job will be to generate leads. The more effective your marketing, the more leads you will have to choose from.

 

[checkmatemsu]

This is what I haven been looking for....Keep it up Bro!!!

 

[CybaCipha]

Recap: Review of your first 2 - 4 months of RE investing (part2).


Reminders:
Why do we need to walk/drive neighborhoods? You need to learn your target area. Pick an area within a half hour ride from where you live. Pick a neighborhood that you would want to live in. Don't pick a war zone (Brooklyn in the 80's) Don't pick an area you wouldn't want your mother walking around after dark. Right now you are focusing on a nice "bread and butter" area that people are interested in buying in. By bread and butter I mean a working class neighborhood type of house for your area. Its going to be different depending on what area you are in but mainly single family 3 bedroom 2 bath houses in most areas.

You need to learn this neighborhood like the back of your hand. Not only in terms of geography but also in terms of value. You need to understand what homes in that area are selling for and what they are worth in their current condition. Since we aren't spending money yet. Use Zillow to get an idea of what the values are like in your area.

When you drive neighborhoods you are also looking for the WE BUY HOUSES signs. These people are already at least 1 step ahead of you. Write down their info and put it in your spreadsheet.

Are you carrying a notebook and pen to take notes? You should staple it to your forehead or keep it in your car. Write down addresses and phone numbers so you can add it to your spreadsheet and learn to do the research.


Did you create that spreadsheet yet? You should have 2 months of data in that spreadsheet. 100 - 200 properties and their information. This is how you will learn the values and how they go up and down over a few short months.

I provided websites that you can use to skip trace or collect information that you are missing. These websites are especially useful to find owners of vacant properties or find owner phone numbers. Call some of these people and ask why they are selling. Ask them about the house, just tell them you have been looking in the area and thought it was a nice house. You should ask if they are willing to show it and go see it. You are getting your chops wet by learning what a house in your neighborhood looks like and why is it selling for that much. You should have visted at least 50 houses in the past couple months.

Money Jar: Did you get a jar yet? You need to get in the habit of putting away money every month or week. Shit you need to put dough away daily ... even if its pennies. When you start making money from this business you will put money away first, pay uncle sam 2nd, put money towards the business 3rd then take some for yourself and spend it.

Office software: You will need Excel for your spreadsheets and Word for your letters and mail merges. By now you should have a spreadsheet for properties, one for buyers (the people you met at your REIA and the auctions). We will get into that in the future.

Courthouse:
Your first couple of visits to the courthouse and city hall are to become familiar with the different departments. You will need to know where the different departments are and who can get you the information you need. You should look up the tax information, mortgage information, property records, etc. for your house, your mama house, your uncle house. Whatever just get familiar with the process. 1 - 2 hours a week is all you need for now.

You also need to look for probate information, auction sales, tax leins and tax sales.

Visit the Buildings department and ask about properties with code violations. Find out who the inspectors are. Get their numbers and email addresses. Write all this down and create another spreadsheet.

Networking:
Your local REIA.- Real Estate Investors Association. Have you gone to a meeting yet? Just join for the year. Its usually cheaper to join for the whole year. Go and meet people, collect cards, find out what type of properties people are looking for. What neighborhoods?

Auctions - As stated before attend a few of these, learn who the players are. Collect cards, talk to them, ask them what type of properties are they looking for.

Put all of these potential buyers on a spreadsheet with all their information.

Spreadsheets:
You should have several spreadsheets by now.
1. Properties - all the properties you have visited, saw when you walked the neighborhood and went to an open house on should be on one spreadsheet. You need to get at least 200 properties on your spreadsheet. You should be looking at the listings on craigslist for your area. You need to visit at least 50 - 100 properties. Look all of these properties up on Zillow. Skip trace to get any missing information.

2. Contractors, plumbers, electricians - you should have gotten these from the building dept. Highlight 3 or 4 of each in your area and put it in a file folder.

3. Buyers - you should have a spreadsheet for your potential buyers. name, company name, phone number, address, etc. The people you met at the auction, at the REIA and on the WE BUY HOUSES signs.

 

[CybaCipha]

By now, you should have:
Read 2 or more Real Estate books, 2 or more Marketing books and 2 or more self help books.
You should have visited the court house at least 4 - 6 times and be familiar with the different departments and where the information is kept.
You should have a list of at least 30 potential buyers.
You should have visited at least 50 - 100 homes.
You should have researched at least 100 - 200 homes.

Don't sleep, this ain't no get rich quick shit. I'm trying to teach you the real deal. The skills you will develop by doing the things in the previous post are:
1. Knowledge of the court system and the ability to research.
2. Being comfortable speaking to strangers.
3. Learning the value of the properties are in your area. THIS IS A VALUABLE SKILL that you will need once we start rolling.
4. Familiarity with Marketing. In order to grow you will need to master the marketing aspect of the game. Right now you just need to be familiar with marketing as it relates to Real Estate and Real Estate investing.

If you haven't done the above go back to the first post and start over. Stop PMing me if you know you haven't done the stuff above.

The next few steps will focus on marketing, building a team, generating leads, incorporation and infrastructure, setting up your office and virtual assistants. In my opinion, you need to do the first few steps before we move forward. Daddy Warbucks just jumped into the business, Kilo fell into it by mistake I think (sorry fellas if I fucked up your stories). Bottom line is there are things they might wish they did differently or they might not wish to change ... either way this is how I WOULD HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY.

Build a knowledge base so I'm not running around like a chicken with my head cut off, set up my marketing slowly so I'm not turning away deals and the ability to evaluate a deal and determine an exit strategy quickly. If I had developed these things up front ... I would be millionaire by now instead of a thousandaire! This is where I'm trying to get you.

Pick up a book on building rapport / Neurolinguistic Programming by Tony Robbins

 

[hubris]

I just got back from GAREIA. I joined! I am going to volunteer the big monthly meetings to network.
A lot of folks had business cards to hand out. I will need to find a cheap place to pick them up.
Tomorrow I am going to set up my llc.
Cypha thanks for the great info and wanting for us to succeed!!!
It seems that the people a the REIA want you to succeed to... and buy whatever they're selling.

 

[hubris]

oh yeah, these guys have contacts to general contractors that know you are value oriented. Another added bonus

 

[CybaCipha]

I just got back from GAREIA. I joined! I am going to volunteer the big monthly meetings to network.
A lot of folks had business cards to hand out. I will need to find a cheap place to pick them up.
Tomorrow I am going to set up my llc.
Cypha thanks for the great info and wanting for us to succeed!!!
It seems that the people a the REIA want you to succeed to... and buy whatever they're selling.

Congrats, as you network ... find out who some of them use for a lawyer, accountant, inspector, mortgage broker, etc. You will be building your team in the next couple months. Don't forget to read some books. You on step 2 fam ... you should be on step 1. I'm gonna speak on the LLC later as well. Right now I feel its more important to start learning and getting familiar with Real Estate investing in general, learning the values in your area and the courthouse.

Peace

 

[CybaCipha]

While some of you are actually doing your dilligence and following my instructions I'm going to post other things to think about over the first couple months you in this.

Your Credit​

You don't need personal credit to do this business. But the better your credit is the more options you have.

1. You need to go to www dot myfico dot com and order your full credit reports with the scores.

2. Review your credit reports and look for errors. Highlight them all.

3. Look at my "Fix Yo Credit" thread on how to fix your shit.

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=328089

There are 4 credit bureaus now.
Transunion
Experian
Equifax
Innovus

Nowadays everyone uses your credit scores.
Insurance companies - low credit scores means you might file more claims.
Credit reporting agencies - sometimes report incorrect information.
The Auto industry - need to make sure you can afford that car.
Medical information bureaus

Download and read the FCRA (Federal Consumer Reporting Act)
Join www dot creditboards dot com if you have alot of shit on your credit that you need to get fixed.

 

[hubris]

Congrats, as you network ... find out who some of them use for a lawyer, accountant, inspector, mortgage broker, etc. You will be building your team in the next couple months. Don't forget to read some books. You on step 2 fam ... you should be on step 1. I'm gonna speak on the LLC later as well. Right now I feel its more important to start learning and getting familiar with Real Estate investing in general, learning the values in your area and the courthouse.

Peace

Thanks for the info. Man, I've read most of those books within the last two years. Not until last week I was never able to push myself into action. I now feel like I need to go HARD at this because I can set my family up down the road in conjunction with my 9-5 job.
Im dusting off Legrands, "how to be a quick turn RE Millioniare" and am going to pick up the one you suggested along with the Guerilla Marketing.

I went to look at three homes today. My daughter started nuttin up so I had to cut it short today. I had three more homes on the list. I used the Fannie Mae website to find them.

My work week starts tomorrow so I will be reading and setting up the events I'm going to attend next week at the REIA. I have a meeting with the president to see if he is successful (which I believe he is) so I can use him as a mentor. (Just like you, Cypha!)

I took a picture of the properties. I didnt have much extra to write down on the spreadsheet except they were all vacant.
I've had a money jar so thats already flowing. I'm value-oriented by nature. The prices in the neighborhoods ranged from 59-70K. I will use Zillow to verify comps.

The reason i hurried my llc is so I can start passing out business cards. I felt like a carpenter w/o his tools at the REIA Monday. Lata!

 

[nu_work]

Great work Cyba!!!
How about assigning contracts if you have bad credit and lil to no money to get started?

 

[CybaCipha]

Thanks for the info. Man, I've read most of those books within the last two years. Not until last week I was never able to push myself into action. I now feel like I need to go HARD at this because I can set my family up down the road in conjunction with my 9-5 job.
Im dusting off Legrands, "how to be a quick turn RE Millioniare" and am going to pick up the one you suggested along with the Guerilla Marketing.

I went to look at three homes today. My daughter started nuttin up so I had to cut it short today. I had three more homes on the list. I used the Fannie Mae website to find them.

My work week starts tomorrow so I will be reading and setting up the events I'm going to attend next week at the REIA. I have a meeting with the president to see if he is successful (which I believe he is) so I can use him as a mentor. (Just like you, Cypha!)

I took a picture of the properties. I didnt have much extra to write down on the spreadsheet except they were all vacant.
I've had a money jar so thats already flowing. I'm value-oriented by nature. The prices in the neighborhoods ranged from 59-70K. I will use Zillow to verify comps.

The reason i hurried my llc is so I can start passing out business cards. I felt like a carpenter w/o his tools at the REIA Monday. Lata![/COLOR]

vacant and abandoned properties are good. I already showed you how to skip trace in part 2.

 

[CybaCipha]

Great work Cyba!!!
How about assigning contracts if you have bad credit and lil to no money to get started?

It's coming in a few weeks. For now, read the whole thread and learn your market.

 

[CybaCipha]

Print it out and post it on your wall. Look at this shit daily. Check off the shit you do.

Mind maps for part 1 and 2:

Part 1:


Download:

http://rapidshare.com/files/205434464/Cyba_Secrets_RE._Step_1.mmap
http://rapidshare.com/files/205434405/Cyba_Secrets_RE._Step_1.pdf

Part 2:


Download:

soon come

 

[CybaCipha]

OK People for a limited time only, I got that real Crack. Real Estate Leads for your area. They f*cked up and gave me access to they database. I mean I still had to kick out cash to get access but still.

I don't need leads that are not in my area.

Cheap leads . Wholesale, retail, rehabs, pre-foreclosures, motivated sellers, etc. ... depending on the area I might even have a buyers list for you! What you need? Hit me up!!

Let me know what area you need them for (by zip code). Don't fuck up the thread, PM me.

All it takes is a couple good leads to make that scrilla.

Sample List.JPG - 0.06MB

 

[CybaCipha]

I wasn't going to get into finding sellers and buyers so early but I've been getting a bunch of PMs with dudes telling me that its too much reading and education and they need to make money now. Well this thread was not planned to be a get rich quick type of deal. This is a planned process on how to build a RE business the right way from someone who has made the mistakes already.

So not wanting to disappoint, I'm going to drop one CybaSecret on finding sellers that not too many people are finding then 1 CybaSecret on finding buyers. Then I'm going to get into Infrastructure and setting up your business so you can focus on the deals.

Finding Sellers: Probates​

From Wikipedia:
Probate is the legal process of administering the estate of a deceased person by resolving all claims and distributing the deceased person's property under the valid will. A surrogate court decides the validity of a testator's will. A probate interprets the instructions of the deceased, decides the executor as the personal representative of the estate, and adjudicates the interests of heirs and other parties who may have claims against the estate.


Here is my take on Probates as it relates to Real estate:
Probates are good candidates for making money because the heirs are usually unattached to any property they are going to inherit. They are prepared to sell quick and they want their tax free inheritance money. They don't want to have to deal with maintenance, upkeep and taxes on a piece of property, especially if they don't live near the property.

As of 2007 there were 2.5 million properties in probate. That number will only grow.

Action Steps:
1. The first thing you need to do is do some research as to what the probate process is in your state. Every state is different.
2. Explain what you just learned to your mother, sister, pops and a stranger. You should be able to talk about this comfortably. You don't need to know every detail.
3. Find the probate notices in your local newspaper/trade or business journal or go to the county courthouse (YOU ALREADY FOUND WHERE THE COURTHOUSE IS IN A PREVIOUS STEP).
4. Find the name and the address of the Grantor/deceased along with the name and address of the Grantee/personal representative (sometimes executor) and heirs if available.
5. Go to the tax assessors office and locate the name of the Grantor/deceased to see if they own a commercial property, rental properties or more than 1 property.
6. Send the personal rep and heir a letter. "I buy property out of probate all the time."
7. Make an offer, get the property under contract and wholesale the contract for 1k - 30k to someone at your local REIA (YOU ALREADY JOINED THE REIA and made contact already in a previous step).


Probate Myths
1. Having a will stops a probate. False, A will initiates a probate, only a trust stops a probate.
2. You can't buy the probate property until the probate process is complete. False, they can be sold immediately.
3. You are taking advantage of someone's misfortune. False, you are helping the heirs by helping them liquidate their inheritance so they can move on.


Downloads:

CybaSecrets._Probate_Profits.pdf
http://rapidshare.com/files/206855396/CybaSecrets._Probate_Profits.pdf

CybaSecrets._Probate_Profits.mmap
http://rapidshare.com/files/206855101/CybaSecrets._Probate_Profits.mmap

ProbatePropertySheet.xls
http://rapidshare.com/files/206903281/ProbatePropertySheet.xls

 

[texasMongrel]

Is step 3 coming soon?

 

[bigreg2007]

hot post

 

[CybaCipha]

Is step 3 coming soon?

Only if you did step 1 and 2 ....

How far did you get?

 

[CybaCipha]

Step 3: Planning and organizing

At this point you have been -
1. Learning your area.
2. Creating a list of properties, buyers, contractors, plumbers, electricians, city officials and contacts.
3. Getting comfortable with going to the courthouse and learning how and where to gather information.
4. Learning how to network and meet people.
5. Reading and learning about yourself, marketing and real estate. Even if you didn't understand everything your read in those books ... they will start to make sense.

Step 3 is just a few steps. They are time consuming but vital to the growth of your business. If you are just trying to buy a house you probably won't care about these steps but the rest of you will hate me while doing it but thank me later.

1. Write your business plan. Go to the software thread and search for the business planning software. Install it, use it.
Strategic Plan - will lay out what you want to do and how you want to do it for the next 2 years or so.

Marketing Plan - How do you plan to get the word out to your market? Are you going to start cheap (flyers, networking and internet) or are you going to go all out (TV and radio)?

Financial Plan- You ain't got no money except what's in the jars! How do you plan to "Grow" your business to the point that it will sustain itself? How many deals do you need to do to quit your job?

2. Image - Start thinking about your Company name, LOGO, your colors, your target audience that you defined in your business plan above. What type of look and feel are you aiming for. Don't spend too much time on this ... money is waiting for you.

3. Start thinking about your websites and website name. You will need several websites.
Main site - Even if your main site is just a blog ... you need to get that as soon as you think about a name. Start blogging about your trials and tribulations to get traffic flowing and the age of the site on your side.

Sellers site - You will need a site that you can collect information from sellers who are motivated. I have a sellers site that I use for my area. I print flyers and put them on cars and in the supermarket in the laundry-mat. My next step is to take an ad in the paper and get sellers to visit the site. You don't need this site right away but you need to start thinking about it. You can give something away to get their information.

My seller's sites:

www.stopmyforeclosure.me
www.freezeforeclosure.me

A lot to think about and plan but the Business plan is the key. The next few posts will deal with infrastructure, setup, systems and making money. Once you put in the time for the planning process above, you will free yourself to focus on the business. Your plan will be laid out. You will have to fine tune it along the way but you can focus on making money.

While you are thinking about and working on Step 3 take some time and get some Motivation from my man Anthony.

TRobbins-pts2.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/85964696/TRobbins-pts2.zip

TRobbins-pts1.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/85954839/TRobbins-pts1.zip

 

[kenbgco68]

excellent thread, subscribed!

 

[SuperGenius]

Bookmarked!

Will be checking this on the regular.

 

[seagramsg]

My goal for this thread is to put together a step by step guide for someone who wants to start out with Real Estate investing. I'm going to try and chronicle how I would do things differently if I started today.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer. Do not consider anything in this thread as legal advice. Results of the individual are up to the individual. Your success or failure is not dependent upon me or anything I post in this thread. My success and/or failure will not reflect your ability to succeed or fail. Take it or leave it. Your success is in your hands.

I have been dabbling with Real estate for ever 10 years. Most of that time I have been a landlord using my own credit and cash to buy my rentals and I've done a couple rehabs.

Over the past year or so I've been looking into other sides of the RE Investor game mainly wholesales/flipping and short sales. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

In the beginning you need to build a foundation. You will need to focus on 3 areas of education (in my opinion) in the beginning.

Real estate investing
Self improvement
Marketing

a friend of mine that asked me a question on bankruptcy ? i don't know u got advice ?

 

[hubris]

What marketing techniques are you using?

 

[CybaCipha]

a friend of mine that asked me a question on bankruptcy ? i don't know u got advice ?

i'm not a lawyer and the laws are constantly changing but I'll give it a shot.

Shoot.

 

[CybaCipha]

What marketing techniques are you using?

I'm gonna bless that in the next couple weeks. But right now. Newspaper ad for buyers, pay a couple kids to put out flyers in certain neighborhoods or put one on every windsheild at home depot, Internet for sellers, Networking all sort of events for both. I'm doing probates too cause nobody in my area is up on it.

 

[hubris]

Marketing seems to be the key. I'm reading Guerilla marketing and looking at than merrill's marketing course. He was at the REIA last nite. So many people went up to buy his $2k course. I went to ebay and sure enough, I can buy his whole course for $600.