Cutty... From Dead Presidents. Writers, let's talk about it.

You probably know this already but Dead Presidents is based on a true story. I actually know the guy that Anthony's character is based on but I haven't talked to him in years though. Even though Dead Prez was set in the Bronx in the movie, the events the movie was based on took place in DC. Not sure why they chose the Bronx for the film. Maybe to make it more multicultural or something. And I can't remember if Cutty was actually based on a real person or not. I always found it interesting that Clifton Powell was cast as a lame (Ol' faggot ass Chauncy) in one Hughes Brother film and a stone cold hustler in another. Those guys could write and tell compelling stories. Their filmmaking careers didn't quite blow up like I thought they would. Obviously they were really talented though.
 
that's my favorite character that clifton powell played . and he probably only had under 10 minutes of screen time
What's funny is Clifton Powell also played Pinky in Friday After Next. That scene where he was in the shop threatening Craig was off the chain, too.

There wasn't a single thing funny about Cutty. But Pinky was just hilarious.
 
I hear y'all, but you fail to mention that in the midst of all of this, Anthony was also entertaining the thought of her sister.

The sister is actually the middle person in all of this.
 
If we are talking about minor character/huge impact, then this here really is the gold standard. This was literally his only scene in the movie. Yet it is the most quoted by far... in a movie that also starred Al Pacino in his prime.

 
If we are talking about minor character/huge impact, then this here really is the gold standard. This was literally his only scene in the movie. Yet it is the most quoted by far... in a movie that also starred Al Pacino in his prime.


Yes, Alec Baldwin played a powerful character too. "Coffee is for Closers." He said that shit like he meant it!
 
I hear y'all, but you fail to mention that in the midst of all of this, Anthony was also entertaining the thought of her sister.

The sister is actually the middle person in all of this.
Anthony was a major character though... I'm talking about strong minor characters who left an imprint.
 
i think cutty and jaunita had a bond. but peep, the first scene we see where cutty rolls up. from cutty pov, he doesn't know who dude in the car with the woman he's been taking care of is. cutty sucking the lollipop, foreshadowing of cutty got jaunita into liking to suck dick. and him mentioning her school night , to let anthony know, he knows her routine. drops the money in the car and speeds off before she could say that's her baby father. the next time we see cutty , he's coming from the apartment. the scene and cutty , alludes to him just finding out who anthony is when he was leaving the apartment, since that was the first time he spoke to jaunita since that night he saw her in the car with dude. but best believe when he got locked up jaunita was back to fucking cutty.
 
I hear y'all, but you fail to mention that in the midst of all of this, Anthony was also entertaining the thought of her sister.

The sister is actually the middle person in all of this.
Her sister was fine asf and she clearly had a thing for him too. I think he probably just got to Juanita first because they were in the same grade. I would've drop punted Juanita's ass away for Delilah. I think that was her name. I think a lot of dudes can identify with that situation. I can think of at least a few chicks that I used to deal with in the past where I found myself wishing that I had met their sisters first. That's just life for a dude in my opinion.
 
I always wondered why Juanita was living so shabby if she was that tight with Cutty? I just assumed she was just a young jumpoff for old dude. Cutty looked like the snake he was. He was asserting dominance over Anthony even though he bullshit feigned like he was a "family friend". LOL! If I was Anthony I just would've started smashing Delilah but maybe that's just me.
 
On the real, Cutty would be dead off of this disrespect. I remember many stories of dudes killing for far less in the early 70's.
 
this movie is nearly 30 years old and he looks the same on power as he did back then

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gotta give him props for that
 
The master of taking small characters or people with segments and owning them is my nig Keith David.. that dude makes me laugh in damn near every role he plays.. from the thing, to they live, to men at work, to Kirby in dead presidents, to the stepdad in something about Mary, to the pimp in requiem for a dream, to many more flicks.. I always crack up with his characters.. I’m glad to hear he ended up getting connected to many things like voice acting that put a lot of money in his pocket







 
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You probably know this already but Dead Presidents is based on a true story. I actually know the guy that Anthony's character is based on but I haven't talked to him in years though. Even though Dead Prez was set in the Bronx in the movie, the events the movie was based on took place in DC. Not sure why they chose the Bronx for the film. Maybe to make it more multicultural or something. And I can't remember if Cutty was actually based on a real person or not. I always found it interesting that Clifton Powell was cast as a lame (Ol' faggot ass Chauncy) in one Hughes Brother film and a stone cold hustler in another. Those guys could write and tell compelling stories. Their filmmaking careers didn't quite blow up like I thought they would. Obviously they were really talented though.
I never knew that was based on a true story.

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Two things, OP:

1. Check the article out. It’s short, so no need to get Colin.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mi...-you-cant-remember-the-movie-you-just-watched

“Apollo Creed knocks black-eyed Rocky Balboa to the mat. Rocky’s trainer, Mickey, pleads with him to stay down so the fight can end. Adrian walks into the arena as Rocky gets back up. Soon, the crowd is chanting Rocky’s name. And I … honestly cannot recall who wins the match.
Truth is, it’s not just Rocky. My husband and I have been sharing many classics with our kids, as well as more recent movies. During the viewings, he is constantly telling the kids, “Watch what’s going to happen next.” More often than not, I have no idea what’s about to come. This got me thinking: Why do I forget most of the movies I see? And how does my husband remember every detail?

David J. Linden, a neuroscientist at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, says people differ in memory ability, just like any other skillset. “There are some people who are quite good at memory for certain kinds of events or certain kinds of facts. Someone else may be really good at putting names to faces or recalling everything they read off a page,” says Linden, the author of Unique: The New Science of Human Individuality.

At least I have that going for me. I am better than my husband at remembering birthdays and when big life events took place.

Individual aptitude aside, many factors affect how well we remember. For example, when you memorize your new home address, it can become difficult to recall your old address. This is called interference. Unless the old memory is recalled again, it might eventually fade. “You have seen many other movies since that [particular] movie. All of these other movies have the potential to interfere with your memory of that original event,” says Sean Kang, a cognitive psychologist at the University of Melbourne.

Repeated similar experiences, such as watching many movies or reading many books, can also render your memories generic. Let’s say you’ve been to the beach 100 times. You are not going to remember the details of each visit — only when something significant or different happened. Linden says this blended memory is more helpful in terms of guiding decisions and future behavior than having a perfect recording of each trip to the beach. So, when someone asks if you want to go to the beach, you can rely on that blended memory to know you would enjoy it. In this way, not remembering everything is actually useful.

Why then, do some people manage to remember all the details?

Wandering Thoughts and Retrieval​

“How well you pay attention when you watch a movie or read a book can affect how well you remember,” says Kathleen Hourihan, an associate professor of psychology at Memorial University of Newfoundland. “If you are checking IMDb because you want to look up an actor you recognize, that is going to take away from encoding the information.”

This rings true for me, especially when it comes to reading — another area where my husband frustratingly remembers more than me. When I am reading, my thoughts often wander and I sometimes speed through certain pages. My husband is a slower, more deliberate reader.

He also likely takes more opportunities to retrieve information after the experience, Kang says. “He thinks about the plot twist, what he liked. Maybe he has conversations about the movie with friends,” he says. “We think of memory as getting something in, but getting the stuff out is equally important.” Calling on a memory again and again helps consolidate that memory. Teachers often use frequent, short quizzes to get students to recall what they have learned. This promotes retention.

In today’s world, retrieval has become less necessary because of all the info at our fingertips. For example, when recognizing an actor in a movie, most people won’t bother searching their memory for where they’ve seen him, since they can just look it up. “Give people the opportunity to use Google when answering questions and they are more likely to give up [and turn to their device] than rely on their memory,” Hourihan says.
2. You will remember the characters long after you have forgotten the story. That’s why it’s important to create characters that resonate with the audience for a number of reasons. If you strip them down, you will notice that the most memorable characters have a common denominator - and it’s that they are direct. Those characters tend to be deliberate in what they do and there are no wasted movements. Another thing I’ve noticed is the power of nostalgia, I’ll explain as quickly as I can:
Think of all the “favorite” and “top three” threads we’ve been apart of. We will see certain selections that are commonly agreed upon, but every once in a while we will see a selection that strikes us as “…WTF?” When explained, the poster will always defend the selection by mentioning that it reminded them of a significant or special time in their lives. That’s why it will always be important above all else and not make sense to others.
We sometimes come across characters that remind us of something significant- good or bad - and we immediately align with that character. Be it pleasantries or trauma, we can’t look away from certain performances.
 
Two things, OP:

1. Check the article out. It’s short, so no need to get Colin.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mi...-you-cant-remember-the-movie-you-just-watched

“Apollo Creed knocks black-eyed Rocky Balboa to the mat. Rocky’s trainer, Mickey, pleads with him to stay down so the fight can end. Adrian walks into the arena as Rocky gets back up. Soon, the crowd is chanting Rocky’s name. And I … honestly cannot recall who wins the match.
Truth is, it’s not just Rocky. My husband and I have been sharing many classics with our kids, as well as more recent movies. During the viewings, he is constantly telling the kids, “Watch what’s going to happen next.” More often than not, I have no idea what’s about to come. This got me thinking: Why do I forget most of the movies I see? And how does my husband remember every detail?

David J. Linden, a neuroscientist at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, says people differ in memory ability, just like any other skillset. “There are some people who are quite good at memory for certain kinds of events or certain kinds of facts. Someone else may be really good at putting names to faces or recalling everything they read off a page,” says Linden, the author of Unique: The New Science of Human Individuality.

At least I have that going for me. I am better than my husband at remembering birthdays and when big life events took place.

Individual aptitude aside, many factors affect how well we remember. For example, when you memorize your new home address, it can become difficult to recall your old address. This is called interference. Unless the old memory is recalled again, it might eventually fade. “You have seen many other movies since that [particular] movie. All of these other movies have the potential to interfere with your memory of that original event,” says Sean Kang, a cognitive psychologist at the University of Melbourne.

Repeated similar experiences, such as watching many movies or reading many books, can also render your memories generic. Let’s say you’ve been to the beach 100 times. You are not going to remember the details of each visit — only when something significant or different happened. Linden says this blended memory is more helpful in terms of guiding decisions and future behavior than having a perfect recording of each trip to the beach. So, when someone asks if you want to go to the beach, you can rely on that blended memory to know you would enjoy it. In this way, not remembering everything is actually useful.

Why then, do some people manage to remember all the details?

Wandering Thoughts and Retrieval​

“How well you pay attention when you watch a movie or read a book can affect how well you remember,” says Kathleen Hourihan, an associate professor of psychology at Memorial University of Newfoundland. “If you are checking IMDb because you want to look up an actor you recognize, that is going to take away from encoding the information.”

This rings true for me, especially when it comes to reading — another area where my husband frustratingly remembers more than me. When I am reading, my thoughts often wander and I sometimes speed through certain pages. My husband is a slower, more deliberate reader.

He also likely takes more opportunities to retrieve information after the experience, Kang says. “He thinks about the plot twist, what he liked. Maybe he has conversations about the movie with friends,” he says. “We think of memory as getting something in, but getting the stuff out is equally important.” Calling on a memory again and again helps consolidate that memory. Teachers often use frequent, short quizzes to get students to recall what they have learned. This promotes retention.

In today’s world, retrieval has become less necessary because of all the info at our fingertips. For example, when recognizing an actor in a movie, most people won’t bother searching their memory for where they’ve seen him, since they can just look it up. “Give people the opportunity to use Google when answering questions and they are more likely to give up [and turn to their device] than rely on their memory,” Hourihan says.
2. You will remember the characters long after you have forgotten the story. That’s why it’s important to create characters that resonate with the audience for a number of reasons. If you strip them down, you will notice that the most memorable characters have a common denominator - and it’s that they are direct. Those characters tend to be deliberate in what they do and there are no wasted movements. Another thing I’ve noticed is the power of nostalgia, I’ll explain as quickly as I can:
Think of all the “favorite” and “top three” threads we’ve been apart of. We will see certain selections that are commonly agreed upon, but every once in a while we will see a selection that strikes us as “…WTF?” When explained, the poster will always defend the selection by mentioning that it reminded them of a significant or special time in their lives. That’s why it will always be important above all else and not make sense to others.
We sometimes come across characters that remind us of something significant- good or bad - and we immediately align with that character. Be it pleasantries or trauma, we can’t look away from certain performances.
Thank you, Bro... I'm one of those guys who can give a movie my undivided attention. My wife can't. She's always doing shit while the movie is playing, then she asks later, "What happen?" Or, "I don't remember that part." That's why I like to watch movies by myself.

But, I think that's why strong characters stick out to me. If Cutty was in the movie for 10 minutes I'd be surprised. It's like that hard hitting event the article was speaking about. You'll always remember the impact, even if you can't remember the plot.

That movie was a great movie. The problem with it was that Black people wrote it, and White Hollywood can't get past that fact. That's why I feel we need to cover the whole gamut: writers, producers, musicians, cameramen, down to the fucking food trucks.
 
The master of taking small characters or people with segments and owning them is my nig Keith David.. that dude makes me laugh in damn near every role he plays.. from the thing, to they live, to men at work, to Kirby in dead presidents, to the stepdad in something about Mary, to the pimp in requiem for a dream, to many more flicks.. I always crack up with his characters.. I’m glad to hear he ended up getting connected to many things like voice acting that put a lot of money in his pocket








Can't forget him in "They Live."

 
Mouse in "Devil in a Blue Dress," played by Don Cheadle was a cold piece of work too. I'm not sure if he was a minor character but his character stood out like a MoFo.

"You better tell him!" That did it for me.

 
Keep in mind that during the Vietnam war men were still starting families in their late teens and early twenties.

They went to war and came back traumatized, broke, and often addicted to drugs. Cutty was the kind of man who could see that situation and take advantage of it in the most brutal way possible.

If you really want to understand his character take him out of the Bronx and visualize him as a Wall Street stock broker, a pastor. A school teacher.

Who would he be on the walking dead? What group would he belong to? How would he function in a post-apocalyptic world?

Another thing you might want to do is study up on antisocial personality disorders. I recommend reading "confessions of a sociopath". By M.E. Thompson.
 
I'm sure there's about 5 dudes right now I done did a CUTTY to in my lifetime..and out off the five I'm still fucking two bruh....
one dude came home an I was sitting at his dinner table eating..I ain't give no fucks breh..I finished eating..kissed her on the cheek an walked right pass that nig..eyeing him down like "wtf this nigga doing in my house"...lmao...
 
Thank you, Bro... I'm one of those guys who can give a movie my undivided attention. My wife can't. She's always doing shit while the movie is playing, then she asks later, "What happen?" Or, "I don't remember that part." That's why I like to watch movies by myself.

But, I think that's why strong characters stick out to me. If Cutty was in the movie for 10 minutes I'd be surprised. It's like that hard hitting event the article was speaking about. You'll always remember the impact, even if you can't remember the plot.

That movie was a great movie. The problem with it was that Black people wrote it, and White Hollywood can't get past that fact. That's why I feel we need to cover the whole gamut: writers, producers, musicians, cameramen, down to the fucking food trucks.

Cutty's impact also comes from being the motivation for the third act of the film.

In the second act Anthony goes through a downward spiral, but at least he's still struggles to maintain an honest living and take care of his family.

Cutty is the reality check that lets him know that all of his efforts are in vain. This makes Anthony feel that he has nothing left to lose so he takes a role in an insanely dangerous criminal plot.

If Anthony's motivation had come to him another way Cutty wouldn't be nearly that important or impactful.
 
It's interesting how different characters resonate with different people. Cutty didn't really stand out to me. I think it's because I came up around a lot of dudes like Cutty. I think Anthony's father stood out to me way more. He appeared to be a loving family man. Had one son to graduate from graduate school with a master's degree. He was an ex marine who fought in a war. How did his youngest son end up working for a numbers runner/banker? And Kirby was an interesting cat too. How did he and Anthony's father view each other? That's the kind of stuff I think about.
 
Mouse in "Devil in a Blue Dress," played by Don Cheadle was a cold piece of work too. I'm not sure if he was a minor character but his character stood out like a MoFo.

"You better tell him!" That did it for me.


Mouse: If you didn't want him dead Easy why did you leave him with me?

LOL! Hilarious.
 
Cutty knew Anthony was in the car. He didn't acknowledge Anthony at all. That's what made that scene powerful to me.

He's talking to Juanita like Anthony was invisible. You can see that Juanita was uncomfortable, but not enough to stop talking with Cutty. She could have said right away, "Cutty, this is Anthony." But she didn't do that. She tried to be sly, "Cutty, I told you to stop spoiling her like that." Then Cutty goes, "Somebody gotta do it." That was jab at Anthony.

Just like he told Anthony later, "You can't even put food on your own table."

They wrote their asses when it came to Cutty.
Cutty was, in no uncertain terms, telling Anthony, “she might be your girl, but that’s my BITCH.”
 
cutty was cold no doubt but he was a bitch also at the same time. He sucker punched old boi and then pulled out his piece. If he was about that business he would have just looked him in the eye and punched him and not pull out a piece. Fuck what you think, it's hard being a tough guy when a fool got a piece up in your face.
 
Man I haven't developed near enough of the projects in my head. Sometimes I wake up and write down a dream i had cause i dream about something that would make a good movie or song.

It's hard as hell to say, "ok, I want to write a novel/screenplay" and then sit and stare down a blank screen.

I would love to create a MASTERPIECE like "Heat". The way dude interweaves the characters, it's like this is a documentary not a fictional work. There's a great article about it which I or someone posted on here. I'll post it in here in a bit.

To your question, I would begin by writing about what you know, people you know, events you lived through or heard about. All of us have the same human wants and needs, it's the differences of location, classification, race etc that makes the story unique.

To write a character that sticks out, look at who influenced you in your own life. Ever talk to a random homeless guy and ask him how he found himself where is, respectfully?

I've found that everyone has a story, and most people will share it if only asked the right way. Especially successful people.

When I was a valet at the Ritz, I used to ask people their story and most were forthcoming and gave good general life advice.

Sometimes I would go to clubs with a pen and pad and write about the people I encountered. By the way that was an easy way to get a chicks interest lol....thats for a different thread though.


The stories are right outside your window every day.

Perfect example that’s how I write, by events I live through. Makes it easier and realizing I don’t have a deadline on writing it. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
 
cutty was cold no doubt but he was a bitch also at the same time. He sucker punched old boi and then pulled out his piece. If he was about that business he would have just looked him in the eye and punched him and not pull out a piece. Fuck what you think, it's hard being a tough guy when a fool got a piece up in your face.
Cutty could've killed him. And I think he started to, but figured it wasn't worth it.

Was that baby Anthony's or Cutty's?
 
Cutty could've killed him. And I think he started to, but figured it wasn't worth it.

Was that baby Anthony's or Cutty's?
true dat but it still has a bitch move to sneak old boi. shut have straight up gave him a beat down. but like i said... the softest of soft can be tough with a piece in their hands. Not saying cutty was a bitch but that was a bitch move.
 
true dat but it still has a bitch move to sneak old boi. shut have straight up gave him a beat down. but like i said... the softest of soft can be tough with a piece in their hands. Not saying cutty was a bitch but that was a bitch move.
Would you expect a Bully/Pimp/Hustler etc... to engage in a fair one? Anyone who grew up around these type of people know not to expect a fair fight form them. You expect them to cheat and to do bitch ass shit.

That's why I think the writing was exceptional because they wrote in like it would be played. He knocked Anthony down a flight of stairs and put a pistol in his face. Look at Cutty's hands, they aren't shaking or anything. They were super steady. It's like that wasn't the first time he sucker punch someone and stuck a gun in his face. Look how he strolled down the stairs. He didn't have a care in the world. Anthony wasn't shit to him but an annoyance at that moment.

Yet, he told him, "I ain't gon' kill you over no woman." You have good guys out here who'll kill you over a woman who's doing them wrong. They can have the most whorish woman in the world, and they'll blame the other guy. What do we say around here, "It's not yours, it's just your turn?" Hell, Cutty even told him, "But you back now, and I'm gone." Basically he told him, "It's your turn."

We can debate Cutty's actions all day. But, I don't think we can deny that the writing and the acting was superb.
 
when i was younger, i thought anthony's baby mom was foul. now that i'm older, anthony voluntarily went to nam when he could of went to college. knocked up his hs girlfriend and never wrote her back throughout the 3 /4 years he was in nam. then pop back up like all was good and his baby mom took him in to be a family again. however, during that time, cutty was taking care of his bm and daughter. cutty could of did her dirty and had her on the hoe troll. but encouraged her to go night school and financially held her down. " i took care of your woman while you was in the war"
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