CP3 and Melo among those who attend CBA talks. CP3 leaves meeting upset

[killa kadafi191]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6673181&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

Today was another meeting between the players and owners but the story coming out of this is Melo and CP3 came together. As many know CP3 was the one who lead with the infamous toast of joining up in NY along with Melo and Amare. The problem is that the new cba may not allow cp3 to join his friends. CP3 and Melo joined Mo Evans, Dooling , Fisher and Roger Mason to meet with the owners.

Once the meeting was over Melo spoke with reporters but CP3 obiviously upset left without speaking.

As Roger Mason said this new CBA will determine many players future. Its not just about money but where they will play, where their family is located and the legacy of their career. CP3 might have to take a huge pay cut to join his friends if the hard cap is in place.

Fisher said this

RT @daldridgetnt Derek Fisher, union president: in this jigsaw puzzle of a million pieces, "1 piece (hard cap) controls several hundred thousand other pieces."

 

[killa kadafi191]

Oh yea the owners have backed off contracts not being guaranteed but will not budge off the hard cap

 

[LegalMoney]

Once the meeting was over Melo spoke with reporters but CP3 obiviously upset left without speaking.

Link to support this?

 

[killa kadafi191]

Link to support this?

The reporters who attended tweeted ken berger and david aldridge both confirm this

RT just check their twitters and ken berger will likely have an article by the end of the day on cbs sports site

RT @daldridgetnt Stern: league needs to see something substantial from players @ Tuesday meeting.to have realistic chance of getting deal before deadline.

RT @KBerg_CBS Stern acknowledges he will know at the end of the day Tuesday if there is enough momentum to get a deal by June 30. #NBA

 

[D-TOWN REP]

you cant have a hard cap with teams already over the cap

what are they gonna do make the teams cut the players or some shit

 

[killa kadafi191]

you cant have a hard cap with teams already over the cap

what are they gonna do make the teams cut the players or some shit

yes.

turn to NBA TV they are discussing this right now. Saying unlike the NFL, NBA owners can actually showed their teams have lost money. A lockout would actually save majority of the teams money.

Ken Berger actually said that CP3 was not upset but more annoyed. Telfair was there too.

Saying that under the new hardcap CP3 option goes from joining the Knicks to staying in NO (who still doesn't have an owner) to joining a team like Cleveland that has cap space ready

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Why was bassy there?

He the biggest bust of all time

 

[water]

yes.

turn to NBA TV they are discussing this right now. Saying unlike the NFL, NBA owners can actually showed their teams have lost money. A lockout would actually save majority of the teams money.

Ken Berger actually said that CP3 was not upset but more annoyed. Telfair was there too.

Saying that under the new hardcap CP3 option goes from joining the Knicks to staying in NO (who still doesn't have an owner) to joining a team like Cleveland that has cap space ready

If you are losing money, stopping the work of the entire org does not save money.


You still have your debt and have to pay interest on it with no revenue coming in......

You still lose....

 

[The Pope]

I still think in the back of some of their heads contraction is still an option and I hate that cause the one team that constantly gets mentioned is my New Orleans Hornets even though the angel of stern says that isnt going to happen.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

their problem is that their are too many teams in the first place, therefore they have to take on huge payrolls from too many players...

 

[killa kadafi191]

Why was bassy there?

He the biggest bust of all time

Maybe he is looking at a future in the union. Similar to fisher dooling and others. I'm happy that melo and cp3 came but I'm pretty sure the owners felt they represent what they are fighting against. Player joining up.

Cp3 is in a hard place right now

I still think in the back of some of their heads contraction is still an option and I hate that cause the one team that constantly gets mentioned is my New Orleans Hornets even though the angel of stern says that isnt going to happen.

I rather the hornets stay. They can be a good team but they need an owner

 

[Duece]

If they can get to 10,000 season ticket sales for the year, that may prompt Gary Chouset to step in again. Kinda pissed NOLA has the business rep it has because if it didn't, plenty of people would've stepped up.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

CP3 should have pushed for a trade when he had the chance

Hornets aint on shit

 

[unknownsoldier]

If you are losing money, stopping the work of the entire org does not save money.


You still have your debt and have to pay interest on it with no revenue coming in......

You still lose....

The Warriors & Sixers have been sold & bought in the last 2 years...there's a line around the corner to buy teams. Shit aint as bad as they're making it seem. Teams that have financial issues have owners who have fucked businesses across the board.

 

[ukNoWwHo]

Oh yea the owners have backed off contracts not being guaranteed but will not budge off the hard cap

Rather agree to a Non Guarantee contract than to a hard cap.

 

[Kwame Coltrane]

The Warriors & Sixers have been sold & bought in the last 2 years...there's a line around the corner to buy teams. Shit aint as bad as they're making it seem. Teams that have financial issues have owners who have fucked businesses across the board.

Yea a undereported story is how Major League baseball teams are having financial issues as well. People just hear "baseball has RECORD REVENUES!!!!" but they not saying they have RECORD expenses too. NBA isnt in any worse shape that the MLB or NHL. Of course they cant compete with the NFL, who can?

 

[rwill784]

Lol @ CP3 trying to piggyback the Snicks and failing. Stop crying faggot and join a team with a little talent. I like the idea of stopping this "Superteam" bullshit, buncha pussies who can't earn a ship without ringchasing like a little bitch. Make your own legend like MJ, Bird, Duncan, hell eventhough they didn't win rings I respect Barkley, and my man Regge Miller who chose to be the man on their respective teams than sackjump onto the best teams in the L.

 

[BlackArsenic]

Rather agree to a Non Guarantee contract than to a hard cap.

Agree

 

[1warrior]

Hard cap seems like a punishment for the players, rather than helping (lower-tier) owners keep their talent. This would kill off the Larry Bird rule and all the other exceptions. If they increase the cap by 10 mil, it might not be so bad for all parties involved.

 

[conspiracy Bro]

keep in mind the owners weren't against guaranteed contracts they just wanted them for less years. If they can limit the max to 4 years that is a plus for the owners.

As for a hardcap the best negotiation would be to grandfather 25% of all current contracts to not count against the cap but have all new contracts be set against the cap. Hell the owners could even allow two more years of the softcap and exceptions but once that cap is set they would have what they want. The owners goal is to make sure they don't go broke in the future. Right now the league is losing money but it isn't critical yet. However a decade or more and the league will be broke except for maybe 4 or 6 teams

Link Explaining The Need For A Hardcap

 

[1warrior]

keep in mind the owners weren't against guaranteed contracts they just wanted them for less years. If they can limit the max to 4 years that is a plus for the owners.

As for a hardcap the best negotiation would be to grandfather 25% of all current contracts to not count against the cap but have all new contracts be set against the cap. Hell the owners could even allow two more years of the softcap and exceptions but once that cap is set they would have what they want. The owners goal is to make sure they don't go broke in the future. Right now the league is losing money but it isn't critical yet. However a decade or more and the league will be broke except for maybe 4 or 6 teams

Link Explaining The Need For A Hardcap

Thanks for the link.

 

[Damn Right]

yes.

turn to NBA TV they are discussing this right now. Saying unlike the NFL, NBA owners can actually showed their teams have lost money. A lockout would actually save majority of the teams money.

Ken Berger actually said that CP3 was not upset but more annoyed. Telfair was there too.

Saying that under the new hardcap CP3 option goes from joining the Knicks to staying in NO (who still doesn't have an owner) to joining a team like Cleveland that has cap space ready

are the owners SAYING that they can show that they're losing money, or have acutally opened the accounting books?

part of the complaint was that the players had to take the word of the owners that they were losing money. none had provided proof to verify anything yet. i am real suspect of the owners and that 'we are losing money' line. having a flat quarter or even a DOWN quarter isn't equal to you 'losing money' or the value of your company going south. that's how business works; some months you do better than others. how u think you'd react if your boss come 2 u like 'uh, we sold fewer widgets last quarter than expected. we're gonna have to lower your hourly rate again this quarter.' but the boss pay ain't being lowered for sheit.

people take pay cuts based on proof, not words. if the owners can show proof that they have been CONSISTENTLY losing money over a string of quarters then their pleas for some of this stuff is justified

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

Not to interupt your thread but...

This guy is good. he even has oriene Greene street move

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[shaddyvillethug]

Just so y'all know

I invented callin the knicks the Snicks

 

[BrownTurd]

Lol @ CP3 trying to piggyback the Snicks and failing. Stop crying faggot and join a team with a little talent. I like the idea of stopping this "Superteam" bullshit, buncha pussies who can't earn a ship without ringchasing like a little bitch. Make your own legend like MJ, Bird, Duncan, hell eventhough they didn't win rings I respect Barkley, and my man Regge Miller who chose to be the man on their respective teams than sackjump onto the best teams in the L.

Those teams and players you mentioned played on stacked teams with mutiple HOF

 

[killa kadafi191]

are the owners SAYING that they can show that they're losing money, or have acutally opened the accounting books?

part of the complaint was that the players had to take the word of the owners that they were losing money. none had provided proof to verify anything yet. i am real suspect of the owners and that 'we are losing money' line. having a flat quarter or even a DOWN quarter isn't equal to you 'losing money' or the value of your company going south. that's how business works; some months you do better than others. how u think you'd react if your boss come 2 u like 'uh, we sold fewer widgets last quarter than expected. we're gonna have to lower your hourly rate again this quarter.' but the boss pay ain't being lowered for sheit.

people take pay cuts based on proof, not words. if the owners can show proof that they have been CONSISTENTLY losing money over a string of quarters then their pleas for some of this stuff is justified

they are saying they could which is the guy on NBA TV this morning said why this is different from the NFL

As uknowwho said I would rather deals not guaranteed than a hard cap. As Fisher said the Hardcap is what messing everything up.

ConspiracyBro seriously you should be on the players side you and Nobody usually break this down great.

 

[BLACKLOOP]

Just so y'all know

I invented callin the knicks the Snicks

Fuck You...u Harlem wanna be...just so yall know the bulls will always be baby bulls....


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[Darrkman]

Rather agree to a Non Guarantee contract than to a hard cap.

Depends on if there are signing bonuses or not. If not look at Jason Williams. Went up for a rebound, broke his leg and never played again. I'd rather the guaranteed contract.

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[killa kadafi191]

Depends on if there are signing bonuses or not. If not look at Jason Williams. Went up for a rebound, broke his leg and never played again. I'd rather the guaranteed contract.

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true that but a hard cap will change this league and teams.

Look at CP3. He is upset because he was the one who made the toast.

Melo is there. Amare is there. He is the last piece and now all of a sudden he might be the guy left out. Again as Roger Mason said this new CBA will change lives for a long time.

Look at Miami. Imagine if they have to break up that team. Bosh will likely be the odd man out and due to a new CBA he will have to change address and the team he signs on might be the Raptors all over again.

So he goes from contender to rebuilding again. Why can't CP3 join the team of his choice?? I would love for him to stay in NO but it his choice

 

[M.H.C.]

Boohoo, these negroes can't team up. Big deal get over it and focus on winning. Teaming up doesn't guarantee anything. See MIA.

I do agree that the players should control where they want to go but at the same time I wish they had the competitive nature to want to beat the best competition instead of joining them.

This isn't new but this "If you can't beat em', join em'" shit the NBA is on is weak. What happened to, "In order to be the best, you have to beat the best" What happened to that train of thought?

I'm not a Lebron hater but i'm glad that team lost.

 

[killa kadafi191]

Boohoo, these negroes can't team up. Big deal get over it and focus on winning. Teaming up doesn't guarantee anything. See MIA.

I do agree that the players should control where they want to go but at the same time I wish they had the competitive nature to want to beat the best competition instead of joining them.

This isn't new but this "If you can't beat em', join em'" shit the NBA is on is weak. What happened to, "In order to be the best, you have to beat the best" What happened to that train of thought?

I'm not a Lebron hater but i'm glad that team lost.

MHC I see what you are saying.

I don't support the whole CP3 being upset about not joining his team. I agree that a player should determine their destination but no need to be upset.

The hornets get a good owner and they will be okay.

Look at the warriors and the nets.

I think players felt that they would have to join up to compete with Lebron and them but with the new CBA we will see less superteams