COVID-19 and Annual Flu Mortality Compared

[EGO-TRIP]

Apr 15 08:43
Food for Thought: COVID-19 and Annual Flu Mortality Compared
By: malterwitty
Tags:

• CURRENT EVENTS

The mortality rates from COVID-19 compared to the annual flu challenges the view that government lockdown was to save lives.
COVID-19 figures as reported 14th April 2020.
United States
COVID-19 morality 23,604 compared to annual flu mortality of 42,000, 56%
New Zealand
COVID-19 mortality 5 compared to annual flu mortality of 606, 0.8%
Australia
COVID-19 mortality 61 compared to annual flu mortality of 1,255, 4.9%
Sweden
COVID-19 mortality 919 compared to annual flu mortality of 504, 182%
Worldwide
COVID-19 mortality 119,666 compared to annual flu mortality of 389,000, 31%
When was the last time the world was shut down to prevent deaths from annual flu?
How close are the US figures to the 1.4 to 2.2 million deaths originally forecast by the White House that gave justification to the lockdown?

 

[TENT]

You cannot compare the 2.

1. It hasn't been a year yet!!! In many areas it has been 1 month!
2. No one is being forced to stay inside b/c of the regular flu. That just shows you how deadly COVID-19 is.
3. 800 people died in NYC last night.
4. Hospitals are FULL and that is with people being told to stay inside.
5. Do not post misinformation to give people a false sense of security. This can result in DEATH!

Blood will be on your hands b/c you think you posting some smart shit. Dumbass niggas man.

 

[PeerlessMack]

Here is the problem that many people who compare Covid-19 to the flu. The flu has a vaccine. Every year every country in the world starts a campaign about how it is time to get a flu shot.

There is current absolutely nothing for the 'rona. So until there is a vaccine for Covid-19, precautions like social distancing, need to be made. Because there is no other method to control the spread.

The flu has the vaccine to control the spread. The 'rona has social distancing until it can join the flu with a vaccine. It is a simple as that.

 

[TooTrilla]

You cannot compare the 2.

1. It hasn't been a year yet!!! In many areas it has been 1 month!
2. No one is being forced to stay inside b/c of the regular flu. That just shows you how deadly COVID-19 is.
3. 800 people died in NYC last night.
4. Hospitals are FULL and that is with people being told to stay inside.
5. Do not post misinformation to give people a false sense of security. This can result in DEATH!

Blood will be on your hands b/c you think you posting some smart shit. Dumbass niggas man.

Here is the problem that many people who compare Covid-19 to the flu. The flu has a vaccine. Every year every country in the world starts a campaign about how it is time to get a flu shot.

There is current absolutely nothing for the 'rona. So until there is a vaccine for Covid-19, precautions like social distancing, need to be made. Because there is no other method to control the spread.

The flu has the vaccine to control the spread. The 'rona has social distancing until it can join the flu with a vaccine. It is a simple as that.

Thats all fine and dandy....and kinda true. But my problem with this virus has always been the way people are treating it like its an end of the world disaster. I wish I could find the video of Bill Maher the other day talking about how people treat events like this and 911 more seriously than they do other matters that have higher death rates. Covid kills quicker but will end up being way less deaths than half of the other diseases out here. Yet cigarette companies arent being shut down from all the cancer. McDonalds aint getting shut down from all the heart disease. Slow death at WAY higher rates is acceptable and not even blinked at. Bunch of already sick folks dying from a flu virus that will eventually slow down is the end of the world though. Yeah ok.

 

[godmc]

Thats all fine and dandy....and kinda true. But my problem with this virus has always been the way people are treating it like its an end of the world disaster. I wish I could find the video of Bill Maher the other day talking about how people treat events like this and 911 more seriously than they do other matters that have higher death rates. Covid kills quicker but will end up being way less deaths than half of the other diseases out here. Yet cigarette companies arent being shut down from all the cancer. McDonalds aint getting shut down from all the heart disease. Slow death at WAY higher rates is acceptable and not even blinked at. Bunch of already sick folks dying from a flu virus that will eventually slow down is the end of the world though. Yeah ok.

Post just highlights how out of touch you are. Covid is more serious than those things you mentioned. This is not an over reaction. 125k dead already WITH social distancing in less than 3 months. Also the deaths would not be linear if you just let it spread nonchalantly. I can avoid McDonald’s. I can choose not to smoke. Covid will fuck you up even when doing your best to avoid it.

 

[g0nbad real bad]

Thats all fine and dandy....and kinda true. But my problem with this virus has always been the way people are treating it like its an end of the world disaster. I wish I could find the video of Bill Maher the other day talking about how people treat events like this and 911 more seriously than they do other matters that have higher death rates. Covid kills quicker but will end up being way less deaths than half of the other diseases out here. Yet cigarette companies arent being shut down from all the cancer. McDonalds aint getting shut down from all the heart disease. Slow death at WAY higher rates is acceptable and not even blinked at. Bunch of already sick folks dying from a flu virus that will eventually slow down is the end of the world though. Yeah ok.

It will probably be less deaths due to shelter in place orders, and reducing traffic to nursing homes and hospitals, and shutting down mass congregations.

The HUGE differences in the two that are missing from these comparisons are:

Regular flu doesn't live outside the body as long.
Regular flu doesn't stay airborne for hours.
Regular flu doesn't kill seemingly healthy people at the same rate.
People with the flu don't walk around contagious for 2 or 3 weeks with no symptoms.

Smoking affects the smoker who CHOOSES and accepts the risk to smoke.
You can avoid secondhand smoke because you can either see the smoke or see the smoker.

Mcdonalds not handing out heart disease in the lobby or the parking lot. You have to choose to eat an unhealthy meal.

 

[ArsenalCannon357]

We're at 2 million cases worldwide in less than 6 months WITH NO VACCINE....the shit is NO JOKE.

Not Like the Flu, Not Like Car Crashes, Not Like

It’s about the spike.

www.thenewatlantis.com

 

[TheFuser]

Epidimiologists... Virologists... Doctors & Nurses on the frontline...
"This is unlike anything we've ever seen."

Some bul on his youtube channel who never studied anything virus related and doesn't work in a hospital...
"This is no different than the flu."

I'm gonna go with the doctors on this one

 

[TENT]

I will tell you what. Why don't you run outside and catch it. If it aint a big deal, go catch it!
That shit will take your ass out quicker than you might think.

Thats all fine and dandy....and kinda true. But my problem with this virus has always been the way people are treating it like its an end of the world disaster. I wish I could find the video of Bill Maher the other day talking about how people treat events like this and 911 more seriously than they do other matters that have higher death rates. Covid kills quicker but will end up being way less deaths than half of the other diseases out here. Yet cigarette companies arent being shut down from all the cancer. McDonalds aint getting shut down from all the heart disease. Slow death at WAY higher rates is acceptable and not even blinked at. Bunch of already sick folks dying from a flu virus that will eventually slow down is the end of the world though. Yeah ok.

 

[EGO-TRIP]

What this post proves is an unwillingness to try to find out why there is such a disparity between what we are being told is fact . How do you function being scared and refusing to question everything .

 

[Dr. Truth]

What this post proves is an unwillingness to try to find out why there is such a disparity between what we are being told is fact . How do you function being scared and refusing to question everything .

Doctors, Nurses and everyone working in a hospital are telling you it’s worse than the flu and it’s crazy and your dumb ass is still questioning it. You probably didn’t even finish high school and you in here talking this non sense

 

[Deezz]

You guys should look up the history and timeline for when Polio started to the time they found a vaccine for it. Wild story.

Some of the trials for the vaccine caused paralysis.

 

[TENT]

Mods and @HNIC need to get in here and delete this thread. This is like shouting fire in a crowded movie theater. People can get hurt listening to this dumb ass OP. Enough is enough.

 

[TENT]

No one is scared you idiot. You might be the one that is scared.

What this post proves is an unwillingness to try to find out why there is such a disparity between what we are being told is fact . How do you function being scared and refusing to question everything .

 

[REDLINE]

Mods and @HNIC need to get in here and delete this thread. This is like shouting fire in a crowded movie theater. People can get hurt listening to this dumb ass OP. Enough is enough.

Seriously, dude’s like a month behind with this bullshit comparison.

 

[mcguyver]

Its the pneumonia that's killing people. Hospitals/doctors have always struggled with treating pneumonia.

 

[MistaPhantastic]

I will tell you what. Why don't you run outside and catch it. If it aint a big deal, go catch it!
That shit will take your ass out quicker than you might think.

Now, you're fear-mongering.
and "Regular flu doesn't kill seemingly healthy people at the same rate." is simply not true. This isn't doing that either.
Yes, catching it is dangerous just like catching any infectious disease that has no treatment is dangerous.
You're scared. Maybe its because you have a pre-existing condition or its because you're in the age range that its taking out. I don't know.
But, even though there is a SMALL CHANCE of it killing someone healthy, that is not the norm. Just stop it with that.
The stats haven't moved much in terms of ratios.
90% of FATAL victims are still over the age of 65. Has it killed healthy people? Sure, but not at a rate significant enough to make you fear dying if you leave your house.
Smallpox killed a lot of people until there was a vaccine. The flu still kills a lot of people even with a vaccine because of strain mutations. Hell, the mumps ands measles killed people before there were shots for them, too. The reason doctors haven't seen anything like this is because its been a while since anything this contageous has had no vaccine.
This disease should be taken seriously but its not the fucking plague. Its not airborne ebola. Most people who get it experience mild symptoms; some more severe, and some die.
The thing nobody is talking about is how most recover and are fine.
People should keep physically distancing themselves and washing their hands.

The media has never been more powerful with a captive audience living in fear that will do everything they tell them to do.

 

[sharkbait28]

Epidimiologists... Virologists... Doctors & Nurses on the frontline...
"This is unlike anything we've ever seen."

Some bul on his youtube channel who never studied anything virus related and doesn't work in a hospital...
"This is no different than the flu."

I'm gonna go with the doctors on this one

I always tell these know-it-all, YouTube-PhD ass niggas to take their dumb ass to a mechanic next time they have a health issue since all knowledge is the same and expertise doesn't exist in their world.

Shit is infuriating how willfully dumb folks are.

 

[dawilleyone]

Apr 15 08:43
Food for Thought: COVID-19 and Annual Flu Mortality Compared
By: malterwitty
Tags:

• CURRENT EVENTS

The mortality rates from COVID-19 compared to the annual flu challenges the view that government lockdown was to save lives.
COVID-19 figures as reported 14th April 2020.
United States
COVID-19 morality 23,604 compared to annual flu mortality of 42,000, 56%
New Zealand
COVID-19 mortality 5 compared to annual flu mortality of 606, 0.8%
Australia
COVID-19 mortality 61 compared to annual flu mortality of 1,255, 4.9%
Sweden
COVID-19 mortality 919 compared to annual flu mortality of 504, 182%
Worldwide
COVID-19 mortality 119,666 compared to annual flu mortality of 389,000, 31%
When was the last time the world was shut down to prevent deaths from annual flu?
How close are the US figures to the 1.4 to 2.2 million deaths originally forecast by the White House that gave justification to the lockdown?

The numbers you are posting are not mortality RATES. They are mortality COUNTS( i.e. how many people died as a result of infection). Counts only matter once the "season" is over. It's only over once the # of people testing positive for infection drops DAILY FOR several weeks. That's when you start counting final deaths to see how bad it is. Any accounting before that is premature.

Hospitalization rates for annual flu is about 1%. death rate is around 0.1% that means 1 out of 1000 people die from the flu.

The death rate fro Covid is ranging anywhere from 1.5% to 2.3%. So even with conservative number, COVID-19 is still at least 10x worse than the annual flue and potentially 30-40x worse.

 

[TENT]

You are a fucking idiot.
I don't even know what "healthy" means.
The thing is 3 months in and has killed 26,000 people and we are ACTIVELY trying to control it.
If people were running around free it would have killed millions.

You FUCKING IDIOT.

Now, you're fear-mongering.
and "Regular flu doesn't kill seemingly healthy people at the same rate." is simply not true. This isn't doing that either.
Yes, catching it is dangerous just like catching any infectious disease that has no treatment is dangerous.
You're scared. Maybe its because you have a pre-existing condition or its because you're in the age range that its taking out. I don't know.
But, even though there is a SMALL CHANCE of it killing someone healthy, that is not the norm. Just stop it with that.
The stats haven't moved much in terms of ratios.
90% of FATAL victims are still over the age of 65. Has it killed healthy people? Sure, but not at a rate significant enough to make you fear dying if you leave your house.
Smallpox killed a lot of people until there was a vaccine. The flu still kills a lot of people even with a vaccine because of strain mutations. Hell, the mumps ands measles killed people before there were shots for them, too. The reason doctors haven't seen anything like this is because its been a while since anything this contageous has had no vaccine.
This disease should be taken seriously but its not the fucking plague. Its not airborne ebola. Most people who get it experience mild symptoms; some more severe, and some die.
The thing nobody is talking about is how most recover and are fine.
People should keep physically distancing themselves and washing their hands.

The media has never been more powerful with a captive audience living in fear that will do everything they tell them to do.

 

[REDLINE]

Thats all fine and dandy....and kinda true. But my problem with this virus has always been the way people are treating it like its an end of the world disaster. I wish I could find the video of Bill Maher the other day talking about how people treat events like this and 911 more seriously than they do other matters that have higher death rates. Covid kills quicker but will end up being way less deaths than half of the other diseases out here. Yet cigarette companies arent being shut down from all the cancer. McDonalds aint getting shut down from all the heart disease. Slow death at WAY higher rates is acceptable and not even blinked at. Bunch of already sick folks dying from a flu virus that will eventually slow down is the end of the world though. Yeah ok.

I can’t come into contact with McDonald’s, 911 or many of the other things you’re speaking of and have a possibility to die due to my immune system.

Everyone can catch the cold, flu and the Coronavirus. There’s no vaccine for the Coronavirus so if I get it, we just have to wait and see what happens and hope for the best.

 

[sammyjax]

What this post proves is an unwillingness to try to find out why there is such a disparity between what we are being told is fact . How do you function being scared and refusing to question everything .

The disparity is because idiots like you are running around signal jamming with bullshit posts like this.

Only thing worse than a ignant ass nigga is a loud ignant ass nigga.

One of these mods need to delete this trash ass shit.

 

[LordSinister]

Dumbass ninja, the flu kills this many because nobody does social distancing, washing hands or wearing masks normally. Please go to an old folks home, breathe deeply for 5 minutes, go home and die alone.

I hate this Trump Era, dusty hotep ass, conspiracy theory on YouTube posting simple rick looking dumb fucks.

 

[MistaPhantastic]

You are a fucking idiot.
I don't even know what "healthy" means.
The thing is 3 months in and has killed 26,000 people and we are ACTIVELY trying to control it.
If people were running around free it would have killed millions.

You FUCKING IDIOT.

Better than being a liar.

Show me where I suggested that people should not take precautions. You can't because I didn't.
As a matter of fact, I myself pointed out distancing and hand washing as important.
Just because you're scared doesn't mean everyone else is going to be.
The facts are that it is not an even across the board risk. Some people are more at risk than others.
The U.S. population is 331 million. 26k is a drop in the bucket.
Death is part of life, man. We are all going one day. Even a "fucking idiot" knows this.
You're laser-focused in on how many people are dying because the news has you by the nutsack, pumping fear into your veins.
I bet you haven't once thought about how many people have had it and lived and are moving (cautiously) on with their lives. China and Spain are both opening back up. Life carries on. You just change how you move, not stop moving altogether.
You can go back under the covers now.

 

[TENT]

Where did I say anything about precautions?
All I am talking about is you being an idiot.
26k in less than 3 months were the entire country is shut down?
You cannot do anything socially. Has that been done with the flu?

Let me put it for you this way. COVID-19 is a fire that we have the hose on and the fire is still growing and killing people.
Imagine if the hose was off! Why are you so fucking stupid and you cannot get that?

The name of this thread is "COVID-19 and Annual Flu mortality compared".

If you don't understand how stupid it is to compare the 2.

There is no help for you.

Better than being a liar.

Show me where I suggested that people should not take precautions. You can't because I didn't.
As a matter of fact, I myself pointed out distancing and hand washing as important.
Just because you're scared doesn't mean everyone else is going to be.
The facts are that it is not an even across the board risk. Some people are more at risk than others.
The U.S. population is 331 million. 26k is a drop in the bucket.
Death is part of life, man. We are all going one day. Even a "fucking idiot" knows this.
You're laser-focused in on how many people are dying because the news has you by the nutsack, pumping fear into your veins.
I bet you haven't once thought about how many people have had it and lived and are moving (cautiously) on with their lives. China and Spain are both opening back up. Life carries on. You just change how you move, not stop moving altogether.
You can go back under the covers now.

 

[TENT]

Why you posting then? Just go outside and stay there. Do not post on here anymore.

Better than being a liar.

Show me where I suggested that people should not take precautions. You can't because I didn't.
As a matter of fact, I myself pointed out distancing and hand washing as important.
Just because you're scared doesn't mean everyone else is going to be.
The facts are that it is not an even across the board risk. Some people are more at risk than others.
The U.S. population is 331 million. 26k is a drop in the bucket.
Death is part of life, man. We are all going one day. Even a "fucking idiot" knows this.
You're laser-focused in on how many people are dying because the news has you by the nutsack, pumping fear into your veins.
I bet you haven't once thought about how many people have had it and lived and are moving (cautiously) on with their lives. China and Spain are both opening back up. Life carries on. You just change how you move, not stop moving altogether.
You can go back under the covers now.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

Apr 15 08:43
Food for Thought: COVID-19 and Annual Flu Mortality Compared
By: malterwitty
Tags:

• CURRENT EVENTS

The mortality rates from COVID-19 compared to the annual flu challenges the view that government lockdown was to save lives.
COVID-19 figures as reported 14th April 2020.
United States
COVID-19 morality 23,604 compared to annual flu mortality of 42,000, 56%
New Zealand
COVID-19 mortality 5 compared to annual flu mortality of 606, 0.8%
Australia
COVID-19 mortality 61 compared to annual flu mortality of 1,255, 4.9%
Sweden
COVID-19 mortality 919 compared to annual flu mortality of 504, 182%
Worldwide
COVID-19 mortality 119,666 compared to annual flu mortality of 389,000, 31%
When was the last time the world was shut down to prevent deaths from annual flu?
How close are the US figures to the 1.4 to 2.2 million deaths originally forecast by the White House that gave justification to the lockdown?

A better question,

why didn't we practice social distancing, mask-wearing, and frequent hand-washing during past flu seasons?

Not saying we needed the shutdown the economy like we have for covid-19, but what if we had started a public information campaign about the importance of washing your hands? Maybe encourage people to wear masks between November and March? Maybe install hand sanitizer dispensers on buses and subway cars?

Not only would this have saved thousands of lives every year, it also would have helped the public learn the health habits necessary to slow down the spread of covid-19.

 

[TooTrilla]

Now, you're fear-mongering.
and "Regular flu doesn't kill seemingly healthy people at the same rate." is simply not true. This isn't doing that either.
Yes, catching it is dangerous just like catching any infectious disease that has no treatment is dangerous.
You're scared. Maybe its because you have a pre-existing condition or its because you're in the age range that its taking out. I don't know.
But, even though there is a SMALL CHANCE of it killing someone healthy, that is not the norm. Just stop it with that.
The stats haven't moved much in terms of ratios.
90% of FATAL victims are still over the age of 65. Has it killed healthy people? Sure, but not at a rate significant enough to make you fear dying if you leave your house.
Smallpox killed a lot of people until there was a vaccine. The flu still kills a lot of people even with a vaccine because of strain mutations. Hell, the mumps ands measles killed people before there were shots for them, too. The reason doctors haven't seen anything like this is because its been a while since anything this contageous has had no vaccine.
This disease should be taken seriously but its not the fucking plague. Its not airborne ebola. Most people who get it experience mild symptoms; some more severe, and some die.
The thing nobody is talking about is how most recover and are fine.
People should keep physically distancing themselves and washing their hands.

The media has never been more powerful with a captive audience living in fear that will do everything they tell them to do.

THANK YOU . This whole debate about the virus is just like politics. It's either one side or the other. Why can't there be logic on both sides? Yea it's a serious disease. No it is not killing everybody it hits. People that are scared of this are just making shit up and not following the stats. Did this dude just say corona is killing healthy young people at the same rate? GTFOH liar. Telling lies and mad at us for not freaking out. You dudes need to stop with the bullshit about everybody's dying. Its mostly older and sick people. And I know this is really gonna hurt some people's feelings but...I bet the majority of you fools only know people that have died or contracted the virus because of Facebook. Talkin bout you know a bunch of buddies or family members that caught it and passed away. Wouldn't have even known cause you haven't talked to them in years.


My condolences if you lost somebody close to you though. In no way am I trying to be disrespectful if that is the case.

 

[MistaPhantastic]

Why you posting then? Just go outside and stay there. Do not post on here anymore.

Go get back under your covers, you shaky-knee'd, spaghetti-spined, pussy immune system-havin' ass MF.
Wait, I think I see the covid peeking at you under your covers.
Uh-oh!!! Run, nigga, run! But don't leave the house or you'll die from air exposure, you old "boy in the plastic bubble" ass knigga.



Seriously though, this too, shall pass. Don't be so damned scared to live, man. There is a line between wiping peoples' noses for them and locking yourself in a vault.

 

[slewdem100]

Apr 15 08:43
Food for Thought: COVID-19 and Annual Flu Mortality Compared
By: malterwitty
Tags:

• CURRENT EVENTS

The mortality rates from COVID-19 compared to the annual flu challenges the view that government lockdown was to save lives.
COVID-19 figures as reported 14th April 2020.
United States
COVID-19 morality 23,604 compared to annual flu mortality of 42,000, 56%
New Zealand
COVID-19 mortality 5 compared to annual flu mortality of 606, 0.8%
Australia
COVID-19 mortality 61 compared to annual flu mortality of 1,255, 4.9%
Sweden
COVID-19 mortality 919 compared to annual flu mortality of 504, 182%
Worldwide
COVID-19 mortality 119,666 compared to annual flu mortality of 389,000, 31%
When was the last time the world was shut down to prevent deaths from annual flu?
How close are the US figures to the 1.4 to 2.2 million deaths originally forecast by the White House that gave justification to the lockdown?

The numbers from the post prove that the lockdown is a good idea...in a little over a month and a half, COVID 19 has almost half the number of deaths as flu's annual deaths...this is with a lockdown in place....we did have a real bad flu year a couple years back that took out 80, 000....how many people you think would be dead if we hadn't been doing these lockdowns? I think COVID could be at 80,000 already if that was the case

from your post OP
United States
COVID-19 morality 23,604 compared to annual flu mortality of 42,000, 56%

It was just 2 and a half weeks ago people on here were saying its just 1200 deaths...yall sound real stupid talking about its only so and so much deaths when this thing is rapidly increasing everyday...should people control their fear and not panic? yes...but this other agenda is on some other shit...your own fucking figures killed your fucking argument

 

[bham_brotha]

We seriously need a thumbs down button

 

[TheFuser]

It would be easier to just admit when you're wrong than to keep doubling down and trying to change the argument.

 

[UNSEEN]

Hey look..I'm staying on the cautious side..me personally..I'm not going to p!ay around with this at all..y'all going back and forth..nobody is giving up any ground..that's cool..I just hope you're right..those that say it isn't a big deal...

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

At this point if you’re still having to Explain the difference between these two, the person you’re having to explain it to is most likely an idiot and wears a make America great again hat.

 

[EGO-TRIP]

Doctors, Nurses and everyone working in a hospital are telling you it’s worse than the flu and it’s crazy and your dumb ass is still questioning it. You probably didn’t even finish high school and you in here talking this non sense

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Research on a group of blood donors in Denmark points to its Covid-19 mortality rate being well below one percent of the number of people infected with the disease, according to a team at the Rigshospitalet in Copenhagen.
Tests were carried out on 1,487 samples from Danish blood donors at the hospital showed a mortality rate of just 0.16 percent.
The study also suggested that far more people than the 5,000 figures
currently show have caught the virus with the number possibly being as
high as 400,000.
That puts the Danish scientists' estimates up to 20 times lower than those of the World Health Organization, which is putting deaths at anywhere between one percent and three percent of the number who contract Covid-19.
The test looked for antibodies formed during an infection and found that 22 donors out of the 1,487 were positive, the Danish Broadcasting Corporation reported.
However, medics have urged caution when reviewing the figures, saying they are “complex” while also pointing out that blood donors tend to be healthier than average members of the population.