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The disintegration of the potential March Mayweather-Pacquiao fight has left a sour taste in everyone’s mouth. But it appears Manny Pacquiao’s camp remains hopeful the fight can come off sometime before the end of 2010.

In an interview with KTLA News, Pacquiao denied the steroid allegations and stated he’d be willing to take tests to verify his statement.

“I don’t know what he’s talking about. I’m willing to do a medical or drug to be [prove I’m] clean,” he said.

“We’ll fight him for free!” trainer Freddie Roach boasted from training camp. “We’ll take winner takes all.”

Pacquiao will face Joshua Clottey on March 13 from Dallas Stadium. The 100,000 plus seat venue will be a good gauge of the Filipino’s popularity, and also the fiscal health of the sport. If the event does well, its possible promoters will work on similar future attractions.



At this point, any talk from Mayweather and Pacquiao about fighting each other ring hollow. They had the opportunity in their grasp to have the biggest sporting event of the year, and an unprecedented split of $50 million. Both fighters were given a once in a lifetime opportunity in a superfight that presented the biggest payday and legacy benefit.

And yet through ego and pride, that opportunity was squandered, and now both pugilists have gone their separate ways. It appears to be an underlining feeling of regret on both sides despite the occasional posturing.

If Mayweather and Pacquiao win their tough challenges over the next 3 months, it almost certain they’ll return to the negotiating table, and hopefully with more sense.

But just imagine the ultimate irony if they both lose their upcoming bouts.



Miguel Cotto to Make Junior Middleweight Debut at Yankee Stadium


Former welterweight titlist Miguel Cotto is prepped to make a big return in June through a bout at Yankee Stadium against WBA junior middleweight champ Yuri Foreman.

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum is in ongoing negotiations with Yankee officials to bring boxing back to the Bronx after a 34 year lull. The last fight was a 1976 heavyweight title fight between Muhammad Ali and Ken Norton, which ended in a highly controversial 15 round decision for Ali.

A big stumbling block was resolved in a scheduling conflict with Scott Ballan, the son of prominent lead bond lawyer and Yankee Stadium deal closer Jon Ballan. The Ballans had planned on holding Scott’s bar mitzvah there on June 5, but was persuaded to relinquish the date for Cotto.

Foreman will be making the first defense of his title and is cognizant of the venue's rich history, which has seen previous fights from legends like Sugar Ray Robinson, Rocky Marciano, and Joe Louis.

"It's a tremendous opportunity. It's something I've never ever dreamed," he stated to the Associated Press. "It's where Joe Louis fought Max Schmeling, you know? For me to be fighting in Yankee Stadium is historical, being part of the history."

With the two biggest names (Mayweather, Pacquiao) likely tied up for the rest of the year, the fight gives Cotto the chance to make an immediate impact in a new and wide open division.

At press time, the fight has a backup option of moving to Madison Square Garden on June 12 if the Yankee Stadium negotiations fall through.



This is a tough comeback fight for Cotto, who took a prolonged beating in his November fight against Manny Pacquiao. Foreman isn’t a puncher, but he’s a slick boxer and a spoiler. Historically, Cotto has eaten up boxers by bullying and walking them down (Malignaggi, Quintana, Judah), but Foreman will be the larger man, and it’s unknown how well Cotto’s power will carry up to junior middleweight.

June 5 (or 12) will answer a lot of questions about Miguel Cotto’s future.





Pavlik Camp Speaks on Paul Williams


Paul Williams and Kelly Pavlik have been hurling accusations of ducking at each other for over a year. Now that after signing on to face Sergio Martinez, who lost a controversial decision to Williams in December, Team Pavlik is back on the offensive against the Punisher.

According to Pavlik Jack Loew, it was Williams who sabotaged the fight following his close call with Martinez, forcing Pavlik to look elsewhere.

“We tried to fight Paul but for some reason, I guess he thought he looked so spectacular against Martinez that he deserved more. Not that it wasn’t a great fight, but I thought he lost the fight,” Loew explained to doghouseboxing.com. “It sure as hell didn’t make him look like some superstar, that’s for sure. And all of a sudden, instead of agreeing to the deal we had before, he wanted more money and his promoter wanted more money. (Bob) Arum said no and that’s our promoter so we went with Martinez, who I thought won the fight anyway.”



Pavlik had signed on to fight Williams last October, but pulled out due to a bad staph infection on his right hand. The fight was rescheduled for December 5, with Pavlik again pulling out because of hand problems, asking that the date be pushed back to December 19.

Williams refused to wait any further, signing on to fight Sergio Martinez on HBO for that date, while Pavlik fought Miguel Angel Espino on a lowly PPV.

Those hopeful that Pavlik and Williams would resume talks later this year received further bad news, as Loew verified they would be looking elsewhere.

“Well, after we beat Martinez, Kelly wants to fight Felix Sturm later this year. We’re not looking past Sergio, he’s a very good fighter and it’s gonna be a good fight but we’re confident we will win,” he said. “We also want (Lucian) Bute, to test the waters at super middleweight, see how we do, and then we’d love to be done with that right in time to fight the winner of the Super Six Championship.”

Kelly Pavlik faces Sergio Martinez on April 17. Paul Williams is set to face Kermit Cintron on May 8.





Margarito Does Not Get License, De La Hoya Approves

Antonio Margarito and his promoter Bob Arum have decided not to push forward with a Texas relicensing attempt to make a return on the Pacquiao-Clottey undercard.

Margarito was suspended for 1 year by the California State Athletic Commission following his January 2009 loss to Shane Mosley, when officials discovered an illegal plaster-like substance in his wraps. To date, Margarito has maintained his innocence, placing blame on his trainer Javier Capetillo.

Golden Boy CEO Oscar De La Hoya has remained steadfast that Margarito should be banned from boxing. Margarito is a former sparring partner to De La Hoya, and tried to secure a fight with Oscar in 2008 after his TKO victory over Miguel Cotto.

"I know boxing is Margarito’s job, but what he wanted to do was dangerous, to play with someone’s life in the ring," De La Hoya explained to The Record. "Yes, many have said Mosley made a mistake by doping, and Margarito did not because he didn’t fight with the bandages with the plaster but the situation is different. Mosley may have had more energy but he didn’t play with someone’s life.”

At press time, Margarito does not have a hearing date with the California Athletic Commission.



News and Notes

- Edwin Valero (27-0, 27 KOs) is close to a deal to move up to junior welterweight to face Lamont Peterson (27-1, 13 KOs). Valero last fight was an impressive 9th corner stoppage of Antonio DeMarco on February 6. Peterson’s last fight was a decision loss to Timothy Bradley in December.

- Former junior welterweight champion Vivian Harris (29-4-1, 19 KOs) looks to be at the end of the road. Last night (February 20), Harris was TKO’d by Lucas Matthysse (26-0, 24 KOs). Harris was hurt by a right hand, but his corner vehemently protested the stoppage. In early 2005, Harris was seen as a threat against then top 140 pounders Floyd Mayweather, Ricky Hatton, and Kostya Tszyu.

- Andre Berto (25-0, 19 KOs) will make his return to the ring April 10 against Carlos Quintana (27-2, 21 KOs). Berto’s WBC welterweight title will be on the line. Quintana, a southpaw, is hopeful his stance will give Berto the same problems he faced in January 2009 with Luis Collazo. This will be Berto’s first fight after pulling out of a January unification match with Shane Mosley due to losing several family members in the Haiti earthquake.

- Andre Dirrell has suffered a back injury in training resulting in his anticipated Super Six tournament match with Arthur Abraham to be pushed back from March 6 to March 27. Vic Darchinyan, who was on the undercard of the March 6 date, will keep the Showtime date and headline against Rodrigo Guerrero. Darchinyan has been taunting Nonito Donaire in recent weeks in hope of a rematch. Donaire TKO’d Darchinyan in 2007.

- Although not getting a HBO 24/7, HBO will air Pacquiao vs. Clottey: Road to Dallas on Saturday March 6 at 11PM. The 30 minute special will follow an HBO Boxing After Dark card.

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...didn't see anything about Cotto calling out Bradley, but if he goes forward with the fight against Foreman, he may be in for a rude awakening...Yuri may jab him all night and frustrate him...plus I am still concerned about Cotto's endurance...
 
...didn't see anything about Cotto calling out Bradley, but if he goes forward with the fight against Foreman, he may be in for a rude awakening...Yuri may jab him all night and frustrate him...plus I am still concerned about Cotto's endurance...

my bad, i meant Foreman.
 
People aren't really saying too much about it, but I'm excited to see Foreman-Cotto. I think that'll be a VERY interesting fight and I wouldn't be surprised if Foreman beat him.
 
Cotto thinks he has enough juice left to host a fight in a baseball stadium? Okay. Good luck with that. When's the Puerto Rican Day parade?

Now Manny would fight for free or take any tests?:rolleyes: Can at least one Manny defender call bullshit on that?

I got Martinez over Pavlik and hopefully that'll be the end of him and his loudmouth overrated trainer. Of course Paul wanted more money, more people watched him have a great fight with Sergio than watched a Kelly have a shitty fight with Espino. Although I like the idea of Kelly moving up to super middleweight where he can get that ass handed to him by some real hitters.

Fuck Margarito. His not getting his license back though shuts the door on a potential Pacquiao opponent if Mayweather beats Mosley.
 
If Cotto and Foreman fight on June 12 then the Puerto Rican Day parade is the next day. It's on the 13th so there'll be a ton of potential fans and ticketbuyers in town yeah.
 
Cotto thinks he has enough juice left to host a fight in a baseball stadium? Okay. Good luck with that. When's the Puerto Rican Day parade?

I think latinos still got love for him. Foreman will get some much needed shine time, but who knows Cotto might be able to get something going and win.

Now Manny would fight for free or take any tests?:rolleyes: Can at least one Manny defender call bullshit on that?

I thought was crazy. myself. All these niggas willing to go at Floyd, but it sounds like either Manny's feeling the pressure or Manny is cycling off the roids like a lot of niggas have been saying. If it's the latter Manny better hope to God his natural gifts are enough to hold his own with Clottey.

I got Martinez over Pavlik and hopefully that'll be the end of him and his loudmouth overrated trainer. Of course Paul wanted more money, more people watched him have a great fight with Sergio than watched a Kelly have a shitty fight with Espino. Although I like the idea of Kelly moving up to super middleweight where he can get that ass handed to him by some real hitters.

Pavlik needs a lesson at middleweight cause he's cocky being the king of the hill at a dead weight class. Williams needs to cut the welter shit and fight the winner for the middle weight title.

Fuck Margarito. His not getting his license back though shuts the door on a potential Pacquiao opponent if Mayweather beats Mosley.

Hopefully Margarito is done. Old bummy-ass-cheating-ass nigga.
 
Now Manny would fight for free or take any tests?:rolleyes: Can at least one Manny defender call bullshit on that?

Roach works for Manny. I never listen to him. All that matters are the paper work Manny signs. People always say it, but it won't happen. The cost to run a camp cost way to much money.
 
Roach works for Manny. I never listen to him. All that matters are the paper work Manny signs. People always say it, but it won't happen. The cost to run a camp cost way to much money.

Is that a bullshit call or another in the endless justifications? Roach spoke on fighting for free and EVERYONE knows that's bullshit, I'm talking about Manny saying now that he would submit to any testing.
 
Is that a bullshit call or another in the endless justifications? Roach spoke on fighting for free and EVERYONE knows that's bullshit, I'm talking about Manny saying now that he would submit to any testing.

I believe he will submit now...but it is BS because he now has time to prepare for that shit. With PBF, his ass was caught off guard. Plus, I believe if he loses to Clottey and looks bad, he's already resolved to retiring to politics so his proclamation is hollow as shit! As far as Pavlik goes, while I like him he is for damn sure overrated and how the hell can you get away with avoiding the best comp in a weak division? The only reason he took the hopkins fight is because he thougt he was fighting a washed up ile man and got his ass kicked! I damn sure like Martinez in this as his stye is similar to the style BHop used to kick his ass!
 
Is that a bullshit call or another in the endless justifications? Roach spoke on fighting for free and EVERYONE knows that's bullshit, I'm talking about Manny saying now that he would submit to any testing.

He should've fought Mosley for free last year when Shane said he'd go down to 140 to fight Manny. Roach and Pac got their fingers crossed, PRAYING that Shane loses to Floyd.

I believe he will submit now...but it is BS because he now has time to prepare for that shit. With PBF, his ass was caught off guard. Plus, I believe if he loses to Clottey and looks bad, he's already resolved to retiring to politics so his proclamation is hollow as shit! As far as Pavlik goes, while I like him he is for damn sure overrated and how the hell can you get away with avoiding the best comp in a weak division? The only reason he took the hopkins fight is because he thougt he was fighting a washed up ile man and got his ass kicked! I damn sure like Martinez in this as his stye is similar to the style BHop used to kick his ass!

Everything that nicca has been doing since the Floyd negotiations is crazy suspect. I'm not a Pavlik fan, I think dude is mad overrated and was just the next Great White Hype. He's only had a couple of real wins against Jermain Taylor, and Taylor's been ko'd how many times since the Pavlik fight? I got Martinez in this fight. It might end up looking like Pac vs ODH. With Martinez moving in and out and hitting the bigger, slower, more linear fighter at will.
 
He should've fought Mosley for free last year when Shane said he'd go down to 140 to fight Manny. Roach and Pac got their fingers crossed, PRAYING that Shane loses to Floyd.

You know he is. I don't think he's afraid of Floyd (though I don't think he can beat him) but I do think he and Roach will do everything they can to not fight Shane Mosley. When they decided to fight Cotto at a catchweight but not Mosley who was BEGGING for the fight (I think he was trippin' be willing to go down to 140. Dude needs that bread:D) I was feeling for Shane.
And I was wanting to see if he would catch the same heat that Mayweather gets when he doesn't fight {fill in the bland fighter}. Never happened.



Everything that nicca has been doing since the Floyd negotiations is crazy suspect. I'm not a Pavlik fan, I think dude is mad overrated and was just the next Great White Hype. He's only had a couple of real wins against Jermain Taylor, and Taylor's been ko'd how many times since the Pavlik fight? I got Martinez in this fight. It might end up looking like Pac vs ODH. With Martinez moving in and out and hitting the bigger, slower, more linear fighter at will.

That's how I see it too. Martinez' counterpunching may make this look like target practice for him. I don't know if he has the power to ko Kelly, a natural middleweight/super middleweight, but he should be able to outpoint him.
 
You know he is. I don't think he's afraid of Floyd (though I don't think he can beat him) but I do think he and Roach will do everything they can to not fight Shane Mosley. When they decided to fight Cotto at a catchweight but not Mosley who was BEGGING for the fight (I think he was trippin' be willing to go down to 140. Dude needs that bread:D) I was feeling for Shane.
And I was wanting to see if he would catch the same heat that Mayweather gets when he doesn't fight {fill in the bland fighter}. Never happened.


That's how I see it too. Martinez' counterpunching may make this look like target practice for him. I don't know if he has the power to ko Kelly, a natural middleweight/super middleweight, but he should be able to outpoint him.

I think he has a better chance of beating Floyd than he has of beating Shane. Floyd has very little offense to offer Pacman and that's one thing you definitely need against that little dude. Can Floyd do enough to "not lose"? Yes, of course. Can he make Pacman look as foolish as some previous opponents? Definitely not, he'll be on his bike through that whole fight because shoulder rolling against Pac just won't work and could be dangerous. That fight is equally dangerous for both dudes imo.
Shane on the other hand, loves an offensive fight. He'd get in there, grab Pac, wrestle him onto the ropes as he did to Margacheato, put his head in his chest and push him back, when Pac gets too close or looks like he's about to flurry, Shane will clinch him, push him off and shoot. Freddie sounded almost resigned to having to fight Shane if Floyd loses. It's definitely not a fight they want. Shane's much stronger, hits harder, doesn't fade late and is definitely fast enough to keep up with dude. Also his vast experience in high paced action fights is something I'm sure Freddie doesn't want Pac to have to surmount especially after watching all the little nuances and additions Shane has made to his game under Richardson. He's even developed a good jab. I was watching that MArgarito fight again and Shane is doing alot of things differently. Anyway, in other words, styles make fights and Shanes style is kind of nightmarish for Pac. Much more so than Floyd.

Yep, I'm really looking forward to seeing Serg get up in Kelly's grill with those counter punches from all angles. Kelly just doesn't have the speed, the footwork or the lateral movement to deal with Sergio imho. I'm not sure about his power either but he was able to rock P.Will. and knock him down. I believe Paul has a better chin than Pavlik, who I've seen hurt a few times against Taylor, Miranda and Hopkins.
 
I think he has a better chance of beating Floyd than he has of beating Shane. Floyd has very little offense to offer Pacman and that's one thing you definitely need against that little dude. Can Floyd do enough to "not lose"? Yes, of course. Can he make Pacman look as foolish as some previous opponents? Definitely not, he'll be on his bike through that whole fight because shoulder rolling against Pac just won't work and could be dangerous. That fight is equally dangerous for both dudes imo.
Shane on the other hand, loves an offensive fight. He'd get in there, grab Pac, wrestle him onto the ropes as he did to Margacheato, put his head in his chest and push him back, when Pac gets too close or looks like he's about to flurry, Shane will clinch him, push him off and shoot. Freddie sounded almost resigned to having to fight Shane if Floyd loses. It's definitely not a fight they want. Shane's much stronger, hits harder, doesn't fade late and is definitely fast enough to keep up with dude. Also his vast experience in high paced action fights is something I'm sure Freddie doesn't want Pac to have to surmount especially after watching all the little nuances and additions Shane has made to his game under Richardson. He's even developed a good jab. I was watching that MArgarito fight again and Shane is doing alot of things differently. Anyway, in other words, styles make fights and Shanes style is kind of nightmarish for Pac. Much more so than Floyd.

I agree on all this.

Yep, I'm really looking forward to seeing Serg get up in Kelly's grill with those counter punches from all angles. Kelly just doesn't have the speed, the footwork or the lateral movement to deal with Sergio imho. I'm not sure about his power either but he was able to rock P.Will. and knock him down. I believe Paul has a better chin than Pavlik, who I've seen hurt a few times against Taylor, Miranda and Hopkins.

I'm on the fence on whether Paul has a better chin that Kelly. It's been tested and found strong by Margarito and Martinez but both of those fights were below 160. Pavlik got hurt but took some good shots against the guys you mentioned at higher weight classes.
Martinez in a split (should be a UD but one judge will want to give it to The Great White Hope).
 
I agree on all this.



I'm on the fence on whether Paul has a better chin that Kelly. It's been tested and found strong by Margarito and Martinez but both of those fights were below 160. Pavlik got hurt but took some good shots against the guys you mentioned at higher weight classes.
Martinez in a split (should be a UD but one judge will want to give it to The Great White Hope).

Good points.
 
I don't see Manny beating Shane at 147. I don't think he can hurt Shane. I don't know if Manny can beat PBF at 147 either. I think OBF can coast to a normal boring ass victory against anyone in 147. But part of me think maybe Manny could win seeing how shook PBF was to face him.
 
Is that a bullshit call or another in the endless justifications? Roach spoke on fighting for free and EVERYONE knows that's bullshit, I'm talking about Manny saying now that he would submit to any testing.

Of course it was bullshit. That is why nobody is taking it serious. Unless Manny says something about his career all the talk doesn't matter. Bob and Roach can say what they want. It is Manny that signs the contract. Roach is the biggest shit talker next to PBF in the game. He is funny. But pointless to listen to.

Also. I don't pay to much attention to Manny's english interviews. He was cool with testing the first time. That has not changed. It is how the testing is done that matters. Same thing in any sport. But we will see. I hope this fight doesn't happen. I hope Shane wins so that we can see Manny against a real major threat to knock him out.
 
I think he has a better chance of beating Floyd than he has of beating Shane. Floyd has very little offense to offer Pacman and that's one thing you definitely need against that little dude. Can Floyd do enough to "not lose"? Yes, of course. Can he make Pacman look as foolish as some previous opponents? Definitely not, he'll be on his bike through that whole fight because shoulder rolling against Pac just won't work and could be dangerous. That fight is equally dangerous for both dudes imo.
Shane on the other hand, loves an offensive fight. He'd get in there, grab Pac, wrestle him onto the ropes as he did to Margacheato, put his head in his chest and push him back, when Pac gets too close or looks like he's about to flurry, Shane will clinch him, push him off and shoot. Freddie sounded almost resigned to having to fight Shane if Floyd loses. It's definitely not a fight they want. Shane's much stronger, hits harder, doesn't fade late and is definitely fast enough to keep up with dude. Also his vast experience in high paced action fights is something I'm sure Freddie doesn't want Pac to have to surmount especially after watching all the little nuances and additions Shane has made to his game under Richardson. He's even developed a good jab. I was watching that MArgarito fight again and Shane is doing alot of things differently. Anyway, in other words, styles make fights and Shanes style is kind of nightmarish for Pac. Much more so than Floyd.

I think you guys might be tripping. Pac loves brawls... That is his bread and butter so why would he not want that type of fight? Yes, I get that Shane is tough, but Manny loves to out gun motherfuckers with his speed, strength and agility(also the awkward positions that he throws punches). Shane will give Pac every opportunity to get his shit off whereas Floyd will give Manny a hard time to find a target.

Look at Manny verse Barrera III... Manny was frustrated because he could not get his combinations off. Yes, Barrera lost because at that point he didn't have the speed and the reflexes to fuck with Manny (which I think might be another problem for Shane). For every jab or straight Barrera threw Manny got two, but I doubt that would be the case for Floyd.

With that said I think Manny will be dangerous for either fighter.

Also you guys forget that Shane took an L to Cotto so why would Pac fight Shane over Cotto?
 
Also you guys forget that Shane took an L to Cotto so why would Pac fight Shane over Cotto?

Why wouldn't he? For one, that Cotto-Mosley fight was close (unlike that 8 to 4 scorecard that Cotto got for some stupid reason) and many (including myself) thought Shane won that fight. To me, fighting Mosley would be a BAD move for Manny regardless of the outcome of either fight...He could try to weight drain him with all his might...he didn't take the fight against him at 140...better believe Shane would love to get him at the 147 class...

This is why some are concerned about this fight that Manny has against Clottey. Every fan knows Clottey is as tough as they come and has fought some of the best in the division and has been game in each of those fights. He frustrates a lot of his opponents, and that is something that has happened to Manny in different occasions (Morales I, Barerra, Marquez come to mind)...

March 13th will be a huge barometer to measure the 147 division for the rest of the year...
 
Why wouldn't he? For one, that Cotto-Mosley fight was close (unlike that 8 to 4 scorecard that Cotto got for some stupid reason) and many (including myself) thought Shane won that fight. To me, fighting Mosley would be a BAD move for Manny regardless of the outcome of either fight...He could try to weight drain him with all his might...he didn't take the fight against him at 140...better believe Shane would love to get him at the 147 class...

This is why some are concerned about this fight that Manny has against Clottey. Every fan knows Clottey is as tough as they come and has fought some of the best in the division and has been game in each of those fights. He frustrates a lot of his opponents, and that is something that has happened to Manny in different occasions (Morales I, Barerra, Marquez come to mind)...

March 13th will be a huge barometer to measure the 147 division for the rest of the year...

I can see that point but Cotto won that fight and cemented himself as the next nigga at welter. I thought Cotto was kind of overrated until that fight, but his performance over Shane made me a beliver. The Margarito shit fucked up Cotto rise to the top, but when Margarito was exposed as a cheater... Cotto was redeem in a lot of peoples eyes(including myself), Cotto seemed liked a logical choice to me over Shane.
 
I can see that point but Cotto won that fight and cemented himself as the next nigga at welter. I thought Cotto was kind of overrated until that fight, but his performance over Shane made me a beliver. The Margarito shit fucked up Cotto rise to the top, but when Margarito was exposed as a cheater... Cotto was redeem in a lot of peoples eyes(including myself), Cotto seemed liked a logical choice to me over Shane.

I think Mosley is the less desirable matchup for Pacquiao because he does what Pacquiao does except better. The last time Pacquiao fought a guy like that was the first Morales fight and I think he and Roach know that.
I could understand picking Cotto over Mosley because you think he's a easier fight (which is why they did it. Roach was very open with that) but Cotto did lose to Margarito while Shane had just annihilated Margarito. While the padded gloves did put Margs under scrutiny, Shane had jumped over Miguel in the public eye and the bigger money fight would have been to fight a red-hot Shane Mosley.
 
I think Mosley is the less desirable matchup for Pacquiao because he does what Pacquiao does except better. The last time Pacquiao fought a guy like that was the first Morales fight and I think he and Roach know that.
I could understand picking Cotto over Mosley because you think he's a easier fight (which is why they did it. Roach was very open with that) but Cotto did lose to Margarito while Shane had just annihilated Margarito. While the padded gloves did put Margs under scrutiny, Shane had jumped over Miguel in the public eye and the bigger money fight would have been to fight a red-hot Shane Mosley.

Unquestionably. And the second Barrera fight is a bad barometer to use when gauging how the Mosley/PAc fight would go. No matter how many improvements Pac has made, he is still not a boxer. He's a brawler who is not comfortable fighting while moving backward, neither is Shane but he does it better than Pac. Pac is quite vulnerable and hittable when you push him back, Morales proved it, MArquez proved it and Cotto's most shiny moments in their fight was in the first when he traded with Pac and got him to back up a bit. Shane could do that with Pac all day long. To move backwards against fighters like Pac or Margarito is suicide. Cotto made that mistake against both. Mosley did just the opposite against MArgs and check the results. The clinches, the wrestling, the shots to the body. Nobody has fought Pac that way. Mosley was pushing around Margarito which leaves no doubt that he could do that to Pac. Shane Mosley's style was a bad match for Pac, period, Shane would neutralize Pac's coming forward constantly by clinching and wrestling. He tired out Cotto in the late rounds that way and he did the same to MArgarito, a guy who never gets tired. Also they took the fight with Cotto not because Cotto was the hotter fighter, he wasn't. He'd just come off a fight he barely won while Shane had just annihalated the welterweight champ. Dude didn't even want to fight a weight-drained Mosley at 140, what does that tell you? My prediction if they ever fight is not just a win for Mosley but a stoppage and you can quote me on that.
 
Unquestionably. And the second Barrera fight is a bad barometer to use when gauging how the Mosley/PAc fight would go. No matter how many improvements Pac has made, he is still not a boxer. He's a brawler who is not comfortable fighting while moving backward, neither is Shane but he does it better than Pac. Pac is quite vulnerable and hittable when you push him back, Morales proved it, MArquez proved it and Cotto's most shiny moments in their fight was in the first when he traded with Pac and got him to back up a bit. Shane could do that with Pac all day long. To move backwards against fighters like Pac or Margarito is suicide. Cotto made that mistake against both. Mosley did just the opposite against MArgs and check the results. The clinches, the wrestling, the shots to the body. Nobody has fought Pac that way. Mosley was pushing around Margarito which leaves no doubt that he could do that to Pac. Shane Mosley's style was a bad match for Pac, period, Shane would neutralize Pac's coming forward constantly by clinching and wrestling. He tired out Cotto in the late rounds that way and he did the same to MArgarito, a guy who never gets tired. Also they took the fight with Cotto not because Cotto was the hotter fighter, he wasn't. He'd just come off a fight he barely won while Shane had just annihalated the welterweight champ. Dude didn't even want to fight a weight-drained Mosley at 140, what does that tell you? My prediction if they ever fight is not just a win for Mosley but a stoppage and you can quote me on that.

If Mosley beats Mayweather, I expect him to have to chase a Pacquiao fight as hard as he ever had to chase Mayweather. But I'd go with a Mosley stoppage by the 9th.
 
Unquestionably. And the second Barrera fight is a bad barometer to use when gauging how the Mosley/PAc fight would go. No matter how many improvements Pac has made, he is still not a boxer. He's a brawler who is not comfortable fighting while moving backward, neither is Shane but he does it better than Pac. Pac is quite vulnerable and hittable when you push him back, Morales proved it, MArquez proved it and Cotto's most shiny moments in their fight was in the first when he traded with Pac and got him to back up a bit. Shane could do that with Pac all day long.

YYYYYEEEEAAAHHHHH MAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!! :yes::yes::yes::yes:

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Pacquiao and (Cock)Roach know that Mosley would destroy him if Pac's punches don't affect Mosley at 147. Like you said, when Manny didn't even take the fight at 140, you know he was scared of him...He might as well fight Margachee-tos...
 
Unquestionably. And the second Barrera fight is a bad barometer to use when gauging how the Mosley/PAc fight would go. No matter how many improvements Pac has made, he is still not a boxer. He's a brawler who is not comfortable fighting while moving backward, neither is Shane but he does it better than Pac. Pac is quite vulnerable and hittable when you push him back, Morales proved it, MArquez proved it and Cotto's most shiny moments in their fight was in the first when he traded with Pac and got him to back up a bit. Shane could do that with Pac all day long. To move backwards against fighters like Pac or Margarito is suicide. Cotto made that mistake against both. Mosley did just the opposite against MArgs and check the results. The clinches, the wrestling, the shots to the body. Nobody has fought Pac that way. Mosley was pushing around Margarito which leaves no doubt that he could do that to Pac. Shane Mosley's style was a bad match for Pac, period, Shane would neutralize Pac's coming forward constantly by clinching and wrestling. He tired out Cotto in the late rounds that way and he did the same to MArgarito, a guy who never gets tired. Also they took the fight with Cotto not because Cotto was the hotter fighter, he wasn't. He'd just come off a fight he barely won while Shane had just annihalated the welterweight champ. Dude didn't even want to fight a weight-drained Mosley at 140, what does that tell you? My prediction if they ever fight is not just a win for Mosley but a stoppage and you can quote me on that.


I hope the faith you guys got in Shane pans out so we get a great fight in May. I think Shane is at the point were his natural skills have diminished enough to were he has a tough time against good/great fighters, but he will still beat the average fighter. I personally think Pac will give Shane a tougher fight then Floyd as far as punishment is concerned. Also I don't know if either Shane or Pac can be guaranteed to hurt the other... it just depends on how the fight plays out and I can see a 12 round war between those two.
 
I hope the faith you guys got in Shane pans out so we get a great fight in May. I think Shane is at the point were his natural skills have diminished enough to were he has a tough time against good/great fighters, but he will still beat the average fighter. I personally think Pac will give Shane a tougher fight then Floyd as far as punishment is concerned. Also I don't know if either Shane or Pac can be guaranteed to hurt the other... it just depends on how the fight plays out and I can see a 12 round war between those two.

Here's to hoping that happens.:D
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Pacquiao and (Cock)Roach know that Mosley would destroy him if Pac's punches don't affect Mosley at 147. Like you said, when Manny didn't even take the fight at 140, you know he was scared of him...He might as well fight Margachee-tos...

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Nobody is talking about Andre Berto v Carlos Quintana. I thought it was interesting that Berto completely pulled out of fighting Shane in January but he is back to fighting before Shane. I really think he made a deal to get the winner of Shane v Floyd... It would have been one thing if Berto decided he was not ready to fight again until like June, but the nigga could have post poned the fight if he is coming back this early. Also I like Berto, but he has been looking shaker the tougher comp he fights... so Quintana might give him problems just like Collazo.
 
Nobody is talking about Andre Berto v Carlos Quintana. I thought it was interesting that Berto completely pulled out of fighting Shane in January but he is back to fighting before Shane. I really think he made a deal to get the winner of Shane v Floyd... It would have been one thing if Berto decided he was not ready to fight again until like June, but the nigga could have post poned the fight if he is coming back this early. Also I like Berto, but he has been looking shaker the tougher comp he fights... so Quintana might give him problems just like Collazo.

Good point. Me and my dad were talking about this fight yesterday. I see Berto having even more trouble with Quintana than with Collazo. Quintana is slightly bigger and has a bit more power. His awkwardness and movement will definitely give Berto a problem. I just don't see Berto as a disciplined fighter, not a Zab Judah type either mind you. Just that he relies too much on his 2 greatest gifts, speed and power. I don't see much ring smarts in the way he approaches boxing. Quintana, we know after watching the first Williams fight, can stick to a gameplan. So if he finds something that really works against Berto, I haven't yet seen evidence that Berto can adjust boxingwise. He's got mad heart and he'll slug it out but Quintana isn't that kind of fighter. I see Berto having to seriously hurt or ko Quintana, if it goes the distance I see a decision win for Quintana. And you also have a great point about him(Berto) making a deal, I definitely think he did as well. I think somebody at Golden Boy or Mayweather Promotions got at him. You couldn't fight Shane because you lost family in the Haiti earthquake(bless the dead) but you're coming back before him?!

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Now if Quintana wins this fight I'd love to see a Collazo/Quintana matchup, the style similarities and the fact they are both southpaws and neither is a ko artist would be really interesting. Collazo reminds me of a more exciting young Winky Wright for some reason. If that dude could find more than one person to fight him a year, he'd be a problem, and if he'd had more power, Berto wouldn't be undefeated.
 
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Not the C'mon, son pic.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

but that is a noticeable point though about the Berto situation and how that worked out...as strange as it is, the big winners in the whole puzzle there is GBP as it has one of its biggest fighters in the biggest fight that they could get and a viable alternative for the person that he was supposed to face. Now if they did go forward with that match, who knows what the outcome would have been and how it could have changed the landscape of the welterweight division for 2010...

speaking of Berto/Collazo, I've had it...I will FINALLY watch the fight...later folks...
 
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Pacquiao and (Cock)Roach know that Mosley would destroy him if Pac's punches don't affect Mosley at 147. Like you said, when Manny didn't even take the fight at 140, you know he was scared of him...He might as well fight Margachee-tos...


That Don West clip is hysterical. I miss that guy on TNA television. Dude has Red Bull coursing through his veins.

I hope the faith you guys got in Shane pans out so we get a great fight in May. I think Shane is at the point were his natural skills have diminished enough to were he has a tough time against good/great fighters, but he will still beat the average fighter. I personally think Pac will give Shane a tougher fight then Floyd as far as punishment is concerned. Also I don't know if either Shane or Pac can be guaranteed to hurt the other... it just depends on how the fight plays out and I can see a 12 round war between those two.

I can't see a Pacquiao-Mosley fight going 12 rounds. If Cotto had fought the last 2-3 rounds in his fight with Shane like he had the first 9-10 rounds, they wouldn't have gone the distance either. But I agree with you that Shane's physical abilities have diminished and he's picked up Richardson at the perfect time. Shane's always been a fantastic boxer/fighter from a physical standpoint but he's never been the smartest mofo in world.
 
Not the C'mon, son pic.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

but that is a noticeable point though about the Berto situation and how that worked out...as strange as it is, the big winners in the whole puzzle there is GBP as it has one of its biggest fighters in the biggest fight that they could get and a viable alternative for the person that he was supposed to face. Now if they did go forward with that match, who knows what the outcome would have been and how it could have changed the landscape of the welterweight division for 2010...

speaking of Berto/Collazo, I've had it...I will FINALLY watch the fight...later folks...


Man, hurry up and watch the fight that started one of the best fight years in recent memory.
I'm surprised that Berto is fighting Quintana instead of a Collazo rematch. But I'm with the consensus that he has a deal to get the winner of Mayweather-Mosley, if that winner can't get Pacquiao (assuming of course he wins against Clottey).
Berto's going to be in for a fight with Quintana for all the reasons merce mentioned. I think he would have been better served getting Paulie Malignaggi, a higher profile, hotter (easier)fighter.
 
Not the C'mon, son pic.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

but that is a noticeable point though about the Berto situation and how that worked out...as strange as it is, the big winners in the whole puzzle there is GBP as it has one of its biggest fighters in the biggest fight that they could get and a viable alternative for the person that he was supposed to face. Now if they did go forward with that match, who knows what the outcome would have been and how it could have changed the landscape of the welterweight division for 2010...

speaking of Berto/Collazo, I've had it...I will FINALLY watch the fight...later folks...

:eek:Wow, that was a good ass fight, do yourself a favor and check it.:yes:
 
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