Congrats Mr. James: You are truly the best a lot of people have ever seen!

When MJ was 31 he had 69 postseason wins, 3 rings
LeBron is 31 he has 120 postseason wins, 2 rings

Best of 5 or not, if you go out in the 1st round 3 straight times, 2nd round twice, and miss the playoffs altogether 2 other years, its gonna reduce the # of postseason wins you have. The fact Scottie got more is FUCKING SAD. :smh:
How many more rings did MJ get and how many more rings is LBJ gonna get:hmm:
 
shouldn't most post-season wins, equate to more rings?

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How many more rings did MJ get and how many more rings is LBJ gonna get:hmm:

Who knows? He could win 5 more. But LBJ is better regardless of rings. The fact thats Jordan groupies only DEFLECTION since LBJ is passing him in EVERYTHING is telling. I guess Russell is the GOAT huh?
 
far too many L's in the Finals to be in the upper top 5 discussion. Sorry he is about to get killed this year in the finals AGAIN.

that bounce pass to Jefferson in Game 2, was fucking BEAUTIFUL though.

Under this logic Wilt and Kareem cant be GOAT cuz they lost 4 Finals. But Scottie Pippen and Havlicek can be cuz they never lost a Final. Body of work matters even if Jordans is ordinary.
 
when mj played the first round was the best of 5

this is a meaningless stat being praised by the dirty troll op
This. Not to mention, Jordan hardly, if ever, saw a game seven. This accomplishment would only be relevant, if Lebron had more rings to show for it
 
This. Not to mention, Jordan hardly, if ever, saw a game seven. This accomplishment would only be relevant, if Lebron had more rings to show for it

You might not realize this but whether a series goes 4 games or 7 you can only tally 4 wins. And even with the 1st round best of 5s, theres a 1 game difference in wins you need. If Jordan won a 1st round series all 15 of his seasons, which he didnt, thats a 15 game difference. Doesnt explain LeBron having 51 more wins than him at this point of his career.

I swear yall arguments for Jordan are so poorly thought out. Desperation. :smh:
 
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Scary to think that without Pippen the "greatest player in NBA history" would have a grand total of 1 win in the playoffs.

That's why LeBron has more because he was always good enough to carry his team on deep playoff runs and never got swept out of the playoffs in the first round like Jordan.
MJ got six titles in an 11 year span and yall actually talking about playoff wins:lol:
 
You might not realize this but whether a series goes 4 games or 7 you can only tally 4 wins. And even with the 1st round best of 5s, theres a 1 game difference in wins you need. If Jordan won a 1st round series all 15 of his seasons, which he didnt, thats a 15 game difference. Doesnt explain LeBron having 51 more wins than him at this point of his career.

I swear yall arguments for Jordan are so poorly thought out. Desperation. :smh:
You right, but like I said, this would be more relevant if he has more rings to show for it. Jordan wins more rings in less amount of games.:rolleyes:
 
Scary to think that without Pippen the "greatest player in NBA history" would have a grand total of 1 win in the playoffs.

That's why LeBron has more because he was always good enough to carry his team on deep playoff runs and never got swept out of the playoffs in the first round like Jordan.
Scary to think that Lebron would have no rings had he not joined up with Wade and Bosh, the two best players at their position in the East, during that time.
 
Who knows? He could win 5 more. But LBJ is better regardless of rings. The fact thats Jordan groupies only DEFLECTION since LBJ is passing him in EVERYTHING is telling. I guess Russell is the GOAT huh?
But see thats the thing, you constantly bring up a ring debate; ive seen you say it several times; and then you bring up Pippen thing also as to minimize MJ; LBJ played with 2 other hall of famers didnt he?? how many rings did he acquire without them:hmm:; im sorry played with 3 more hall of famers; and then how many times did they lose:hmm:; how many times did MJ lose with his hall of famers??:hmm:; but I think its really dumb to compare them; they arent even comparable...
 
But see thats the thing, you constantly bring up a ring debate; ive seen you say it several times; and then you bring up Pippen thing also as to minimize MJ; LBJ played with 2 other hall of famers didnt he?? how many rings did he acquire without them:hmm:; im sorry played with 3 more hall of famers; and then how many times did they lose:hmm:; how many times did MJ lose with his hall of famers??:hmm:; but I think its really dumb to compare them; they arent even comparable...

LBJ has won MVPs and been to the Finals without Bosh and Wade. Jordan never did either without Pippen. Saying Jordan "never lost" against his weak Finals comp makes him the best is like saying Rocky Marciano is the greatest boxer cuz he never lost. Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, etc are all considered greater even though they they did lose at some point.

Are we supposed to believe Jordan fans would call LeBron greater if he wins 7 rings when they dont even call the legends like Russell, Jones, and Havlicek greater when they already have more? :rolleyes:
 
When I saw this thread title I already knew what the responses would be. I wasn't wrong.

Its like talking to an old timer discussing Ali and the old timer brings up Joe Louis.

Jordan always wanted the ball, demanded it. LeBron has a different mindset, he just isn't that type player, he wants (maybe needs) other players to involved in scoring.

LeBron is no Jordan and I never believed he was trying to be. People should stop trying to compare the two its a comparison that just doesn't work. Also people fail to acknowledge LeBron has never had the same level supporting cast that assisted Jordan, not even in Miami.

People also forget that Jordan had playoff failures. Playoff games where he scored 63 and 64 points and still lost. So its not like he never had any failures.
 
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LBJ has won MVPs and been to the Finals without Bosh and Wade. Jordan never did either without Pippen. Saying Jordan "never lost" against his weak Finals comp makes him the best is like saying Rocky Marciano is the greatest boxer cuz he never lost. Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, etc are all considered greater even though they they did lose at some point.

Are we supposed to believe Jordan fans would call LeBron greater if he wins 7 rings when they dont even call the legends like Russell, Jones, and Havlicek greater when they already have more? :rolleyes:
You will never convince MJ fans that LBJ is greater, true; but again overall true fans of the game, I would bet that the overwhelming majority would take MJ over LBJ if they needed to "win" the game...MJ era was not weak; Utah would handle every team right now outside of GS; that Lakers team where the bulls got their first ring, would destroy this teams; fuckers were all hurt outside of Magic in that series; that Phoenix was also good; so would Portland and Seattle; I cant believe you are saying MJ played against weak competition in the finals, come on dude; That dallas team that LBJ lost too, will never be in a discussion of great teams; No way they should have lost that series; That Spurs team was great, ill give you that; but dude stop this...
 
None of the teams Jordan faced in the Finals are all time greats. The Spurs (5 rings) are better than any team Jordan ever saw. The Lakers team he beat didnt have Kareem, Cooper, or Riley coaching them. Tell me how many rings did Portland, Phoenix, Seattle, Utah win? :lol: Dallas at least has that and they went thru Kobe, Durant, and Bron to get it.
 
None of the teams Jordan faced in the Finals are all time greats. The Spurs (5 rings) are better than any team Jordan ever saw. The Lakers team he beat didnt have Kareem, Cooper, or Riley coaching them. Tell me how many rings did Portland, Phoenix, Seattle, Utah win? :lol: Dallas at least has that and they went thru Kobe, Durant, and Bron to get it.
answer this, since we are comparing eras, what do you think those finals teams that MJ face would do now??
 
answer this, since we are comparing eras, what do you think those finals teams that MJ face would do now??

Get they ass beat. Yall overrate the fuck out of the 90s. Them teams had big men like Vlade Divac, Mark West, Ostertag, Duckworth. A bunch of weak interior play and teams who hit 20 3s for a series. Cats is hitting 20 3s in a game this era.
 
Scary to think that Lebron would have no rings had he not joined up with Wade and Bosh, the two best players at their position in the East, during that time.

It's all relative... If Jordan ain't have Pippen(top 50 greatest players) would Jordan have a ring? Bron joining up with Wade is no different that Scottie falling to the Bulls in the draft
 
Get they ass beat. Yall overrate the fuck out of the 90s. Them teams had big men like Vlade Divac, Mark West, Ostertag, Duckworth. A bunch of weak interior play and teams who hit 20 3s for a series. Cats is hitting 20 3s in a game this era.
so this LBJ team right now is beating Seattle, Utah, Phoenix, and the Lakers team(that MJ faced) back then:hmm:
 
so this LBJ team right now is beating Seattle, Utah, Phoenix, and the Lakers team(that MJ faced) back then:hmm:

None of those teams would come out the west today. Hed still be facing CHAMPIONSHIP teams like GS or the Spurs in the Finals.
 
far too many L's in the Finals to be in the upper top 5 discussion. Sorry he is about to get killed this year in the finals AGAIN.

that bounce pass to Jefferson in Game 2, was fucking BEAUTIFUL though.
This is what I am saying. They always trying to pass the crown to this dude. I personally feel that floppin shit was just wack! You got your whole team doing that shit, for two years. And ya'll won rings off that. FOH. If he was that good, he'd be collecting rings. All he doing is setting records.
 
Scary to think that Lebron would have no rings had he not joined up with Wade and Bosh, the two best players at their position in the East, during that time.


This. Exactly why LeBron will never be the greatest in my eyes. If dude stayed in Cleveland, then maybe...

He needs to thank Jesus (ray allen) everyday!
 
Im never gonna shit on LeBrons ability or his place in history. Talent wise i seriously cant name 3 players evwr that I would put above him. Ar his size his skillset is unheard of. That being said, basketball is more than just statistical achievement. Anybody who has ever competed knows that ultimately you havent accomplished shit in this sport unless you finish as a champion. Thats why people shit on Chris Paul so much. While he clearly is one of the most talented PGs ever, Dude stays losing on the big stage.

LeBrons greatness will be longevity if he doesnt suffer any major injuries. The argument of what he did by this or that age as it applies to Jordan is foolish because that us conparing oranges to apples. Dudes has been in the league since he was 18?!

Anyway, he will never surpass Jordan because the true limus test he will nevet be able to eclipse. He has already lost more finals than Air and has been outplayed by his counterpart in multiple finals. The difference between the two is from the neck up and in their chest... And if Im going to war on the court a prime MJ is the first call Im making...
 
Bron set to surpass Timmy next game for 5th place on the all time playoff scoring list. He will pass MJ next postseason. :itsawrap:
 
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