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When it comes to superhero fiction, there are certain iconic archetypes; Superman is the iconic whitebread hero, Batman the iconic OCD loner. But did you realize that Iron Man's James Rhodes is the accidental iconic black superhero? We'll explain.

By accident more than design, Rhodes has ended up possessing multiple characteristics that sum up the black superhero experience. Sure, he may not have the word "Black" in his superhero name (See: Black Panther, Black Lightning, Black Goliath, the Black Racer or even the Black Musketeers. Yes, that's right; I said The Black Musketeers), and he may not ride a skateboard - Or not that we've seen, at least, who knows what he does in his spare time? - but look how many other checkboxes he's managed to tick:

He's A Sidekick At Heart
If there's one rule for black superheroes, it's that they're never the stars of the show (Or, at least, not for very long; attempts like Black Lightning or the Milestone books are always, sadly, done in by falling sales). Yes, you could make an argument that Black Panther contradicts that, but I'd just invoke the "He's the exception that proves the" clause and move on quickly*. Despite headlining his own books twice in his career - something that doesn't really mean anything, no matter how good those books were; remember, Marvel once published Street Poet Ray and Power Pachyderms, so anything goes there - Jim Rhodes is, and always will be, a sidekick to Tony Stark's Iron Man. His armor was created by Tony. His training and experience all came from Tony. Hell, even his reason for becoming a superhero in the first place is Tony and that whole alcoholic breakdown thing. Sure, he never had to deal with the embarrassment of having his name second in the title to a non-existent superhero (Poor Sam Wilson, having to shoulder Captain America And The Falcon during the post-Watergate period when Cap had quit. They couldn't have renamed it The Falcon for those months just to be polite?), but let's not kid ourselves: James Rhodes is defined by Tony Stark.

He's A Replacement
And how did Rhodey get his start as a superhero again? Oh, that's right; he replaced Tony as Iron Man. Just like John Stewart got his start replacing Hal Jordan as Green Lantern. And John Henry Irons, replacing Superman back when he died. Oh, and don't forget Monica Rambeau, Marvel's second Captain Marvel. Or, hell, the Justice Society of America's Mr. Terrific or Johnny/JJ Thunder, the Legion of Superheroes' Computo and Invisible Kid, DC's Mister Miracle (and, for that matter, Manhattan Guardian) or even The Spectre (And, again, who can forget Black Goliath, who replaced Hank Pym's original White Goliath - except, of course, the "White" was silent in his name). Even the characters that aren't actively replacing existing characters somehow manage to be replacing people we haven't seen - DC's Vixen and Marvel's Black Panther are both continuing long lines of heroes. When do we get to see white superheroes picking up the mantle of black characters? Only once - and even that was the result of a retcon to offer political commentary (Captain America, who it turned out was following in the footsteps of an earlier black Cap - who not only never called himself Captain America, but also was unknown to Cap when he took up the shield. So maybe that doesn't count after all).

He's "Edgy"
Let's ignore, for a second, the James Rhodes of the Iron Man movies, and instead look at the comic book version... A hero so edgy that he doesn't uphold the status quo, he takes on corporate interests that are raping and pillaging our planet (as per the current War Machine series). Because, that's what black superheroes do, apparently: they don't join in with everyone else to get the job done like we expect, they see the bigger picture and deal with social injustice (The Falcon, Black Lightning), play the outsider card (Bishop, Black Panther) and/or are willing to step outside the law for the greater good (Hardware, Luke Cage). It's incredibly rare to see a black superhero without some form of characteristic that puts them at odds with the status quo, and even when that does happen - John Stewart, Captain Marvel - they'll find themselves rewritten with completely new personalities at some point to make them stand out and get edgy again (Not that I'm still bitter than the jazz-listening, pacifist architect became an former army sharpshooter with a "get the mission done no matter what" mentality or anything. Oh, okay, I am; I loved Green Lantern: Mosaic).

He's A Cyborg
Yes, James Rhodes is a cyborg these days. Just like DC's Cyborg, from Teen Titans. Or Marvel's Deathlok. Or DC's John Henry Irons**. Or Marvel's Bishop, from the X-Men. Or even Iron Fist's girlfriend, Misty Knight (one of the Heroes For Hire/Daughters of The Dragon). What is it about high-profile black characters finding themselves turned into part-robot? Some kind of clever commentary on black culture being assimiliated into the white corporate machine, or white creators having a fear of a black robotic planet? I have no idea, but it's kind of odd, isn't it?

We're sure that, when James Rhodes was first created, his real-life parents had no idea he'd one day step into this proud and illustrious role. But he's here now, and there's only one way to celebrate the fact - Marvel has to cancel his series, just to underline that whole "sidekick" thing once again. Luckily, they've already taken care of that.

* - Yes, Todd McFarlane's Spawn would, in theory, refute this idea, being just about to make it to its 200th issue. But two things are worth remembering: #1: Yes, its titular hero may be black, but he wears a full-face mask to hide that fact from unsuspecting readers, and #2: Given the writing in Spawn, that whole mask thing and that fact that, even unmasked, his scarred face hides his ethnicity, anyone could make the argument that Spawn is an entirely race-neutral character.

** - At least, in John Henry Irons' case, he actually created the technology used to make himself into a cyborg. In fact, Irons is one of the few completely proactive black heroes in comics who doesn't rely on other characters for his powers/technology/operations. He's like Black Panther, but without the mysticism and ruling a country.


Send an email to Graeme McMillan, the author of this post, at graeme@io9.com.

http://io9.com/5409701/why-james-rhodes-is-comics-ideal-black-hero


Really didnt want to agree, but his assessment seems kinda on point.
Funny thing is Seems all black powers are related to Weather, Strength, Animals or Cybernetics.
 
the only decent black comic character who isn't the big strong guy with a attitude or loud mouth is Black Panther
 
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He's A Cyborg
Yes, James Rhodes is a cyborg these days. Just like DC's Cyborg, from Teen Titans. Or Marvel's Deathlok. Or DC's John Henry Irons**. Or Marvel's Bishop, from the X-Men. Or even Iron Fist's girlfriend, Misty Knight (one of the Heroes For Hire/Daughters of The Dragon). What is it about high-profile black characters finding themselves turned into part-robot? Some kind of clever commentary on black culture being assimiliated into the white corporate machine, or white creators having a fear of a black robotic planet? I have no idea, but it's kind of odd, isn't it?

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

but wow dude went in
 
Damn I'm fuckin tired of Black people anaylizing comic book charaters like they are political figures. Why are Black people so insecure ? A fucking comic book character that's all nothing more.
 
Damn I'm fuckin tired of Black people anaylizing comic book charaters like they are political figures. Why are Black people so insecure ? A fucking comic book character that's all nothing more.

thats interesting.. its also interesting that white people don't treat their characters in the same manner.
 
that was a good analysis.
But, at the end of the day, we must remember that 85% of comic buyers are white males, who won"t SUPPORT a comic with a black lead, no matter how good it is.
 
So fucking what .... if you like the comic then buy it........News Flash...White boys don't have black racial insecurities....News Flash not as many white people hate you as you think. Really........ Honest

really..then why did the black division of DC comics fail? ALL THOSE TITLES were weak?? ALL of them??

youre fooling yourself if you don't think color doesn't matter to crackas..

explain why the most critically acclaimed drama on HBO The Wire had low ratings BUT the highest rated season..season 2.. "coincidentally" had the most white people in the cast that season..

Explain why hollywood casts it movie on how well it will play to white audiences and around the world if color doesn't mean anything..

Its not about whether I or black people support a black comic..if it doesn't make the most money it can (eg goes MAINSTREAM..or more directly IF WHITE PEOPLE DON'T SUPPORT IT) then it gets CANCELLED NO MATTER HOW MUCH I PERSONALLY LIKE OR BUY IT.

That means when a project is on the drawing board the creators have to make decisions about RACE and COLOR to anticipate its reception..THATS THE REALITY

dude please don't tell me YOU need your nigga wake call:rolleyes:
 
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really..then why did the black division of DC comics fail? ALL THOSE TITLES were weak?? ALL of them??

youre fooling yourself if you don't think color doesn't matter to crackas..

explain why the most critically acclaimed drama on HBO The Wire had low ratings BUT the highest rated season..season 2.. "coincidentally" had the most white people in the cast that season..

Explain why hollywood casts it movie on how well it will play to white audiences and around the world if color doesn't mean anything..

dude please don't tell me YOU need your nigga wake call:rolleyes:



Maybe it's because whites.....let me be more specific...German,Italian,Latin,French Canadian, Americians don't want to watch stories about the plight of the black man as much as you do....really. They don't want to see Blade, Black Panther, Luke Cage, Blackula, Foxy Brown, Coffee etc, every time they flick on the TV. If you want white people to watch "The Wire" then the stories need to be about white people.


No point in discussing this with me though I'm already brainwashed.


Keep it moving
 
Maybe it's because whites.....let me be more specific...German,Italian,Latin,French Canadian, Americians don't want to watch stories about the plight of the black man as much as you do....really. They don't want to see Blade, Black Panther, Luke Cage, Blackula, Foxy Brown, Coffee etc, every time they flick on the TV. If you want white people to watch "The Wire" then the stories need to be about white people.


No point in discussing this with me though I'm already brainwashed.


Keep it moving

no..lets talk about it..

you act like its just about the story..a good story is a good story right?

how come black people (as a group) can buy stories that have NOTHING TO DO WHAT SO EVER about black people in anyway BUT white people (as a group) can only get into stories that must reflect them or at least their sensibilities in order for them to support it?

OUR non support doesn't affect their money...THEIR non support DOES affect our money. And thats based mainly on race and color.

Thats the reality of OUR surroundings..so don't come at me with that..
Damn I'm fuckin tired of Black people anaylizing comic book charaters like they are political figures. Why are Black people so insecure ? A fucking comic book character that's all nothing more.
bullshit...if its really JUST a comic book character and nothing more then black titles would selling in the same number as white one...because its just about the story and nothing else right:rolleyes:

oh and FYI..most if not all of those titles you mentioned were written or created by white people..so who's really got a hangup about color here?
 
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bullshit...if its really JUST a comic book character and nothing more then black titles would selling in the same number as white one...because its just about the story and nothing else right:rolleyes:

you ever notice comicon is usually full of white boys? there are way more white folks buying comics than black so I figure thats why
 
you ever notice comicon is usually full of white boys? there are way more white folks buying comics than black so I figure thats why

yes..but if the story is good then people should be buying the title because the story is good not because of color right??

isn't that how its supposed to work in america?
 
yes..but if the story is good then people should be buying the title because the story is good not because of color right??

isn't that how its supposed to work in america?
suppose to work? nope, this is america where racism exist but no one wants to admit it
 
no..lets talk about it..

you act like its just about the story..a good story is a good story right?

how come black people (as a group) can buy stories that have NOTHING TO DO WHAT SO EVER about black people in anyway BUT white people (as a group) can only get into stories that must reflect them or at least their sensibilities in order for them to support it?

OUR non support doesn't affect their money...THEIR non support DOES affect our money. And thats based mainly on race and color.

Thats the reality of OUR surroundings..so don't come at me with that..

bullshit...if its really JUST a comic book character and nothing more then black titles would selling in the same number as white one...because its just about the story and nothing else right:rolleyes:





Gee I'm kinda at a loss here....really. I mean the Cosby show did fairly well for quite awhile but the fact is tha white Americans wanted to watch Rosanne too. (Lot's of Blacks watched it also,,,not me though I didn't like the show.) As far as comic books go it seem kinda obvious if black comic book heroes don't sell...don't do black comic book heroes...I mean why get twisted about it.
 
So fucking what .... if you like the comic then buy it........News Flash...White boys don't have black racial insecurities....News Flash not as many white people hate you as you think. Really........ Honest

Im with you on that one. Also the longest running comic star out right now in his own title of our culture is this dude.

Hell even BP still sells well. I think Black heroes suffer when they focus only on the fact that they are black..

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Gee I'm kinda at a loss here....really. I mean the Cosby show did fairly well for quite awhile but the fact is tha white Americans wanted to watch Rosanne too. (Lot's of Blacks watched it also,,,not me though I didn't like the show.) As far as comic books go it seem kinda obvious if black comic book heroes don't sell...don't do black comic book heroes...I mean why get twisted about it.

the cosby show is a sitcom..goodtimes, the jeffersons, sanford and son all were highly rated too..they were also sitcoms as well..where are the highly rated black dramas, action stories, police procedural stories, suspense stories, scifi?

The popular black shows seem to be all in one genre..

Like white people I and other black (but not just black..latino, indian, asian (altho they have manga and anime but thats kind of a deep issue too) want to see ourselves reflected in all kinds of stories just like they do.

Telling black people to NOT do black comics is basically saying suppress an aspect of your expression...I don't see anyone telling white folks to suppress shit.

So it bugs the hell out of me when people say its not about race but in reality it kinda is..a 25 year old black sitcom withstanding..
 
So fucking what .... if you like the comic then buy it........News Flash...White boys don't have black racial insecurities....News Flash not as many white people hate you as you think. Really........ Honest

Keep thinking that if it makes you happy.
 
So fucking what .... if you like the comic then buy it........News Flash...White boys don't have black racial insecurities....News Flash not as many white people hate you as you think. Really........ Honest
you obviously never been on xbox live or and chat sites, thats where the white boys can truly express themselves with anonymity
 
Im with you on that one. Also the longest running comic star out right now in his own title of our culture is this dude.

Hell even BP still sells well. I think Black heroes suffer when they focus only on the fact that they are black..

spawn-jimlee3.jpg

dude..did you read the article you posted?

Todd McFarlane's Spawn would, in theory, refute this idea, being just about to make it to its 200th issue. But two things are worth remembering: #1: Yes, its titular hero may be black, but he wears a full-face mask to hide that fact from unsuspecting readers, and #2: Given the writing in Spawn, that whole mask thing and that fact that, even unmasked, his scarred face hides his ethnicity, anyone could make the argument that Spawn is an entirely race-neutral character.
 
the cosby show is a sitcom..goodtimes, the jeffersons, sanford and son all were highly rated too..they were also sitcoms as well..where are the highly rated black dramas, action stories, police procedural stories, suspense stories, scifi?

The popular black shows seem to be all in one genre..

Like white people I and other black (but not just black..latino, indian, asian (altho they have manga and anime but thats kind of a deep issue too) want to see ourselves reflected in all kinds of stories just like they do.

Telling black people to NOT do black comics is basically saying suppress an aspect of your expression...I don't see anyone telling white folks to suppress shit.

So it bugs the hell out of me when people say its not about race but in reality it kinda is..a 25 year old black sitcom withstanding..

Hawthorne is abotu the only GOOD Black drama on TV, with Jada as the head.
Hell even that dumb as medical soap sex dram aon ABC was created by a black woman, but she stifled the black portions of the cast, except a few, to appease white folks.
 
dude..did you read the article you posted?

Todd McFarlane's Spawn would, in theory, refute this idea, being just about to make it to its 200th issue. But two things are worth remembering: #1: Yes, its titular hero may be black, but he wears a full-face mask to hide that fact from unsuspecting readers, and #2: Given the writing in Spawn, that whole mask thing and that fact that, even unmasked, his scarred face hides his ethnicity, anyone could make the argument that Spawn is an entirely race-neutral character.

Yes I did, it was in response to what he posted. I mean last time I checked I can agree and disagree with people can't I?

I agree with a point he made and posted a response. The response being that you don't need to shovel the fact that the hero is black. They show simmons wife, daughter and former friends enough to know what race he was. BUT they don't focus on him being black. Kinda like how Under Hudlin Black Panther had stories starring guess who? MLK and the Black Panthers...

That's what I'm personally saying, write a good book, don't focus on the persons race, just let the person be, and see what happens. Hell I know white kids who ONLY know Green Lantern as John Stewart, and be like Hal Jordan who?

But back to the article then yeah, I see your point, just as I see one of his.
 
Yes I did, it was in response to what he posted. I mean last time I checked I can agree and disagree with people can't I?

I agree with a point he made and posted a response. The response being that you don't need to shovel the fact that the hero is black. They show simmons wife, daughter and former friends enough to know what race he was. BUT they don't focus on him being black. Kinda like how Under Hudlin Black Panther had stories starring guess who? MLK and the Black Panthers...

That's what I'm personally saying, write a good book, don't focus on the persons race, just let the person be, and see what happens. Hell I know white kids who ONLY know Green Lantern as John Stewart, and be like Hal Jordan who?



But back to the article then yeah, I see your point, just as I see one of his.

and I agree with you..the focus of a story shouldn't be on race..but again I would submit that a good portion of black titles are not written by black people.

which explains why we keep seeing side kicks and the black version of an already established white hero hence the need to have BLACK displayed so predominately in the title.
 
Had to run off and take a piss.....To much info ?



Look there is racism in this country yep......Blacks do get treated unfair by whites yep. Why fuck with whites in the first place. Why continue to be angry with Maddcat about his view of a fictictious comic book character over analyzed. Asians have their own TV networks Latinos etc we supposed to have BET. If we don't then why do you.....you ....you do something positive about it. Racism today impedes your progress....it won't stop it. Before you can honestly deal with racism you gotta deal with the more pressing issues at hand. Drug dealers, Urban poverty, Ignorance, and rage......do not discount these issues. You will more than likly be forced to deal with these sooner than you will a CAC tryin to keep the "Falcon" from being published
 
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