Comedy Debate: Mo’Nique Regrets Nothing talks Netflix etc

[mexico]

It's not bullshit my man. With the exception of Sidney Poitier, there has not been one black major Oscar or Emmy winner, and by that I mean for best actor or actress, who won for a role that was not stereotypical and/or demeaning. Denzel wins for Training Day but not Malcolm X. Halle wins for Monster's Ball, but not for Introducing Dorothy Dandridge. See a pattern?

Dorthy Dandridge was a TV movie. It wasn’t eligible for an Oscar. She did win a Golden Globe, an Emmy and a SAG award for it though.

I don't know a lot about the business end of making films.

Isn't going on promotional tours standard part of the process for actors in a movie? So shouldn't she have expected to be doing that when she was brought on to act in the film as a principal character? To my eyes, Mo'Nique deciding not to do it is a bad look if all the other leads are on going to Cannes, attending premieres and being on panels, and she's not.

Or...

Is it standard to sign a separate contract to make the appearances? If so, then Tyler Perry and Lee Daniels might have dropped the ball.

Also, from what I remember, she said that they wanted her to go to Cannes and pay for her own travel and accommodations our of her own pocket. If that be true, I completely understand her refusing to do it.

Generally speaking the promotion requirements and amenities are included in the contract, but that’s when you’re dealing with studios. Precious was an independent film so things get murky there, especially if she signed on before there was a distributor. Usually a film like that is a passion project where everyone works for scale and producers are doing everything they can to get it in the can.

My memory is a bit hazy but I could have sworn at the time she went on radio saying that the distributor was gonn pay for her to fly first class to Canne, hotel and all expenses paid, but she wanted them to throw in some extra cash.

 

[Amajorfucup]

at least two of those guys you had to go back 30 fucking years for and the rest aren't big named comedians

I notice chris rock, dave chappelle, katt williams and kevin hart didn't make the list?

None of those guys are heavy in base obscenity material..

 

[ronmch20]

Dorthy Dandridge was a TV movie. It wasn’t eligible for an Oscar. She did win a Golden Globe, an Emmy and a SAG award for it though.

You're absolutely correct and why I intentionally wrote, "there has not been one black major Oscar or Emmy winner...".

 

[mexico]

I get what you saying, but Halle Berry won an Emmy for Dorthy Dandridge, and I don't know, but did you consider Jamie Foxx's portrayal of Ray Charles demeaning?

Edit: just to add, I get the crux of what you're getting at. Just furthering the discussion.

 

[da_monumental_1]

It's not bullshit my man. With the exception of Sidney Poitier, there has not been one black major Oscar or Emmy winner, and by that I mean for best actor or actress, who won for a role that was not stereotypical and/or demeaning. Denzel wins for Training Day but not Malcolm X. Halle wins for Monster's Ball, but not for Introducing Dorothy Dandridge. See a pattern?

You've must have never seen Lilies of the Field. Sidney's character was a textbook magic Negro.

A black dude helps a bunch of white nuns solve all their problems by building their church, and they think God sent him.

 

[respiration]

Dorthy Dandridge was a TV movie. It wasn’t eligible for an Oscar. She did win a Golden Globe, an Emmy and a SAG award for it though.



Generally speaking the promotion requirements and amenities are included in the contract, but that’s when you’re dealing with studios. Precious was an independent film so things get murky there, especially if she signed on before there was a distributor. Usually a film like that is a passion project where everyone works for scale and producers are doing everything they can to get it in the can.

My memory is a bit hazy but I could have sworn at the time she went on radio saying that the distributor was gonn pay for her to fly first class to Canne, hotel and all expenses paid, but she wanted them to throw in some extra cash.

I believe I heard Lee Daniels say that she did sign on before there was a distributor. Now that you explained things, it makes some sense that she might have been asked to cover some of her expenses.

I was pretty sure I remember her saying someone offered to pay for her transportation too. Seems like it might have been either Tyler Perry or Oprah Winfrey - one of those who intervened to attempt to persuade her to go.

 

[respiration]

It's not bullshit my man. With the exception of Sidney Poitier, there has not been one black major Oscar or Emmy winner, and by that I mean for best actor or actress, who won for a role that was not stereotypical and/or demeaning. Denzel wins for Training Day but not Malcolm X. Halle wins for Monster's Ball, but not for Introducing Dorothy Dandridge. See a pattern?

I disagree with this logic somewhat. The Denzel argument particularly. I'd offer that one reason he won for Training Day is because for once he played a bad guy. He's usually typecast as a hero. This role allowed him to stretch his acting chops into somewhat unfamiliar territory. Also, don't forget that he won an Oscar for Glory playing a character that was heroic and not at all stereotypical nor demeaning.

Halle's win was definitely questionable.

Several others were not demeaning:
Louis Gossett Jr. - An Officer and a Gentleman
Jamie Foxx - Ray
Jennifer Hudson - Dreamgirls
Morgan Freeman - Million Dollar Baby
Viola Davis - Fences

I would argue that Lupita Nyongo's win for 12 Years A Slave was not a "demeaning" role in that it is part of our history and what are ancestors endured. They were heroes and should be honored as such. The ones that should be ashamed are white folks. Most of em want to erase that past. I believe it should be shoved in their faces, the same way Jews demand the holocaust never being forgotten. We need to especially do that because slavery and Jim Crow and past discrimination impacts upon our lives today. Lupita played the role well.

It seems that sometimes we are quick to dismiss other wins like Forest Whittaker (Last King of Scotland) or Mo'Nique (Precious) because the character was despicable.

I would point out that the award is (supposed to be) given to outstanding acting performances - not to the exclusive portrayal of heroic or "acceptable" characters. Many non-Black actors have won for playing terrible people - off of the top of my head I can think of:

Louise Fletcher (Nurse Ratched) - One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
Christoph Waltz (Hans Landa) - Inglorious Basterds
Javier Bardem (Anton Chigurh) - No Country For Old Men
Anthony Hopkins (Hannibal Lecter) - Silence of The Lambs
Kathy Bates (Annie Wilkes) - Misery
Joe Pesci (Tommy DeVito) - Goodfellas
Charlize Theron (Aileen Wournos) - Monster

There are scores more.

Have the Oscars been biased against Black folks? Definitely! It's an American award and systematic white supremacy affects all institutions in America. The Color Purple being nominated for 11 awards (including 3 acting awards) and winning none comes to mind as does the fact that until this year Spike Lee has never been nominated for Best Director for a dramatic film.

 

[ronmch20]

I disagree with this logic somewhat. The Denzel argument particularly. I'd offer that one reason he won for Training Day is because for once he played a bad guy. He's usually typecast as a hero. This role allowed him to stretch his acting chops into somewhat unfamiliar territory. Also, don't forget that he won an Oscar for Glory playing a character that was heroic and not at all stereotypical nor demeaning.

Halle's win was definitely questionable.

Several others were not demeaning:
Louis Gossett Jr. - An Officer and a Gentleman
Jamie Foxx - Ray
Jennifer Hudson - Dreamgirls
Morgan Freeman - Million Dollar Baby
Viola Davis - Fences

I would argue that Lupita Nyongo's win for 12 Years A Slave was not a "demeaning" role in that it is part of our history and what are ancestors endured. They were heroes and should be honored as such. The ones that should be ashamed are white folks. Most of em want to erase that past. I believe it should be shoved in their faces, the same way Jews demand the holocaust never being forgotten. We need to especially do that because slavery and Jim Crow and past discrimination impacts upon our lives today. Lupita played the role well.

It seems that sometimes we are quick to dismiss other wins like Forest Whittaker (Last King of Scotland) or Mo'Nique (Precious) because the character was despicable.

I would point out that the award is (supposed to be) given to outstanding acting performances - not to the exclusive portrayal of heroic or "acceptable" characters. Many non-Black actors have won for playing terrible people - off of the top of my head I can think of:

Louise Fletcher (Nurse Ratched) - One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
Christoph Waltz (Hans Landa) - Inglorious Basterds
Javier Bardem (Anton Chigurh) - No Country For Old Men
Anthony Hopkins (Hannibal Lecter) - Silence of The Lambs
Kathy Bates (Annie Wilkes) - Misery
Joe Pesci (Tommy DeVito) - Goodfellas
Charlize Theron (Aileen Wournos) - Monster

There are scores more.

Have the Oscars been biased against Black folks? Definitely! It's an American award and systematic white supremacy affects all institutions in America. The Color Purple being nominated for 11 awards (including 3 acting awards) and winning none comes to mind as does the fact that until this year Spike Lee has never been nominated for Best Director for a dramatic film.

All those you mentioned won an Oscar for best in a SUPPORTING role and I would agree those roles in most cases were not negative or demeaning. I think you misread my post, my contention again was no black person other than Sidney Poitier has won the Oscar for Best Actor or Actress for a role than was not demeaning or did not depict a morally bankrupt despicable person, and I believe that is more than just coincidence. .

 

[Flawless]

Regrets nothing? She has pretty much ruined her career because of her big mouth.

 

[REDLINE]

name 3 black stand up comedians who don't do this?

Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock and Kevin Hart.

 

[The Untouchable GDFOLKS]

how was she buggin? she was right and the reason while everybody kept quite is the same reason the same black actors keep fighting for the same role.

Indeed, she wasn't buggin at all!
Only thing I knock her for is not getting on the grind and doing the damn thing on her own. The internet allows people to cut out the middle man.

 

[ronmch20]

You've must have never seen Lilies of the Field. Sidney's character was a textbook magic Negro.

A black dude helps a bunch of white nuns solve all their problems by building their church, and they think God sent him.

I agree to a point, but the character Poitier played wasn't some shuffling Negro. He portrayed a talented and proud black man who really didn't take kindly to not receiving just credit for HIS work rather than being thought of as just as tool sent by God. The fact that the character chose to help them anyway does not make the role a demeaning or negatively stereotypical one, imo.

 

[ViCiouS]

Sinbad, Franklin Ajaye, Michael McDaniel, Eric Blake, Wambui Bahati and Gina Yashere to name a few.

at least two of those guys you had to go back 30 fucking years for and the rest aren't big named comedians

I notice chris rock, dave chappelle, katt williams and kevin hart didn't make the list?

Chapelle and Rock don't curse as much in their recent shows and both can probably give you a clean 30 minutes
the best of these guys EVOLVE how they find whats funny

 

[geechiedan]

Funny does not have a age limit. Tell me you don't still laugh at clips of Redd Foxx and Richard Pryor. As for Chris Rock and Dave Chappell their whole act does not consist of how many times they can say fuck, dick and pussy. If you want to cape for the unfunny Mo'Nique have at it.

its not caping for anything..comedy is subjective..how any comedian chooses to express themselves is there choice. Monique is unfunny...to YOU.

I don't know a lot about the business end of making films.

Isn't going on promotional tours a standard part of the process for actors in a movie? So shouldn't she have expected to be doing that when she was brought on to act in the film as a principal character? To my eyes, Mo'Nique deciding not to do could have been s a bad look if all the other leads are on going to Cannes, attending premieres and being on panels, and she wasn't.

Or...

Is it standard to sign a separate contract to make the appearances? If so, then Tyler Perry and Lee Daniels might have dropped the ball considering they did not provide one.

Also, from what I remember, she said that they wanted her to go to Cannes and pay for her own travel and accommodations our of her own pocket. If that be true, I completely understand her refusing to do it.

I'm definitely open to seeing comments from folks who are in the know in the industry to put me up on how things are done.

if they made false promises that show how fucked up they are....all hat hollywood speak is bullshit

None of those guys are heavy in base obscenity material..

works for her comedy

 

[geechiedan]

Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock and Kevin Hart.

youre saying those cats don't do blue material???

 

[gene cisco]

Chapelle and Rock don't curse as much in their recent shows and both can probably give you a clean 30 minutes
the best of these guys EVOLVE how they find whats funny

The truly talented can make a bowl of salad funny. They can just write shit in their head on the fly.

 

[ronmch20]

I get what you saying, but Halle Berry won an Emmy for Dorthy Dandridge, and I don't know, but did you consider Jamie Foxx's portrayal of Ray Charles demeaning?

Edit: just to add, I get the crux of what you're getting at. Just furthering the discussion.

Demeaning no, bit stereotypical though from the standpoint that the role couldn't just focus on Ray Charles musical genius, he had to be shown as a weak drug addict, adulterer, mean spirited and exploitive at times. Not debating the inclusion of those characters flaws just pointing out a pattern that with the exception of Poitier black actors who receive Oscar's top prize for acting have not received one for a wholly positive role.

 

[geechiedan]

Chapelle and Rock don't curse as much in their recent shows and both can probably give you a clean 30 minutes
the best of these guys EVOLVE how they find whats funny

now all of a sudden we have virgin ears up on here?

 

[ronmch20]

its not caping for anything..comedy is subjective..how any comedian chooses to express themselves is there choice. Monique is unfunny...to YOU.


Can't argue with that. To each his own.

 

[ViCiouS]

The truly talented can make a bowl of salad funny. They can just write shit in their head on the fly.

exactly - Chapelle's last 2 shows for Netflix were directly from what Patrice Oneal was working out
minimum writing - no set ups - just a topic with audience feedback - a conversation of sorts

 

[ViCiouS]

now all of a sudden we have virgin ears up on here?

 

[geechiedan]

I disagree with this logic somewhat. The Denzel argument particularly. I'd offer that one reason he won for Training Day is because for once he played a bad guy. He's usually typecast as a hero. This role allowed him to stretch his acting chops into somewhat unfamiliar territory. Also, don't forget that he won an Oscar for Glory playing a character that was heroic and not at all stereotypical nor demeaning.

Halle's win was definitely questionable.

Several others were not demeaning:
Louis Gossett Jr. - An Officer and a Gentleman
Jamie Foxx - Ray
Jennifer Hudson - Dreamgirls
Morgan Freeman - Million Dollar Baby
Viola Davis - Fences

I would argue that Lupita Nyongo's win for 12 Years A Slave was not a "demeaning" role in that it is part of our history and what are ancestors endured. They were heroes and should be honored as such. The ones that should be ashamed are white folks. Most of em want to erase that past. I believe it should be shoved in their faces, the same way Jews demand the holocaust never being forgotten. We need to especially do that because slavery and Jim Crow and past discrimination impacts upon our lives today. Lupita played the role well.

It seems that sometimes we are quick to dismiss other wins like Forest Whittaker (Last King of Scotland) or Mo'Nique (Precious) because the character was despicable.

I would point out that the award is (supposed to be) given to outstanding acting performances - not to the exclusive portrayal of heroic or "acceptable" characters. Many non-Black actors have won for playing terrible people - off of the top of my head I can think of:

Louise Fletcher (Nurse Ratched) - One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
Christoph Waltz (Hans Landa) - Inglorious Basterds
Javier Bardem (Anton Chigurh) - No Country For Old Men
Anthony Hopkins (Hannibal Lecter) - Silence of The Lambs
Kathy Bates (Annie Wilkes) - Misery
Joe Pesci (Tommy DeVito) - Goodfellas
Charlize Theron (Aileen Wournos) - Monster

There are scores more.

Have the Oscars been biased against Black folks? Definitely! It's an American award and systematic white supremacy affects all institutions in America. The Color Purple being nominated for 11 awards (including 3 acting awards) and winning none comes to mind as does the fact that until this year Spike Lee has never been nominated for Best Director for a dramatic film.

I wouldn't call denzel's role in training day a stretch acting wise..he just chewed the scenery BIG TIME...you could literally see him having fun playing a bad guy.. roles that stretched him for he should have won an oscar for was playing Steven Biko (Cry Freedom) and Malcolm X

 

[REDLINE]

youre saying those cats don't do blue material???

The poster you originally replied to stated Mo’nique’s entire set consisted of “Dick, Sex and Fuck” jokes.

You didn’t read his post correctly and asked what comedians sets didn’t totally consist of that subject and I named them.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Lol good one

To a rabid coon like yourself, yes.

 

[exiledking]

To a rabid coon like yourself, yes.

What are you? A freedom.fighter? Lmao please

 

[Ill Paragraph]

What are you? A freedom.fighter? Lmao please

Don’t have to be a freedom fighter to not be a bootlicking Sambo. There’s a great deal of middle ground between those two extremes.

 

[Deezz]

I don't have to read that to realize that she is still super delusional and still obnoxious.

 

[geechiedan]

The poster you originally replied to stated Mo’nique’s entire set consisted of “Dick, Sex and Fuck” jokes.

You didn’t read his post correctly and asked what comedians sets didn’t totally consist of that subject and I named them.

well if we're going to be accurate neither does her entire stand up consist of dick sex and fuck... does it lean on it alot..sure but then so do a ALOT of successful high profile comedians.

 

[geechiedan]

I don't have to read that to realize that she is still super delusional and still obnoxious.

delusional and obnoxious about what exactly?

 

[Deezz]

delusional and obnoxious about what exactly?

 

[geechiedan]

whats so funny? whats she delusional and obnoxious about?

for not doing something that's outside of what she was contractually obligated to do at her own expense?? This is show BUSINESS..those execs and middle(white/jewish)MEN itemize and charge for EVERYTHING..yet expect everyone else to do shit for the sake of its own goodness?? Then being told behind closed doors by those same powerful execs your right we'll get you paid for doing blah blah then in public being called difficult and blacklisted for not "playing the game".

HOW IS SHE DELUSIONAL FOR RECOGNISING THAT?

For NOT accepting the lowest offer netflix could make for a career thats over 20 years?

HOW IS SHE OBNOXIOUS FOR THAT?

Now we all may not agree with the HOW or EXECUTION she's going about dealing with it but there is nothing obnoxious or delusional about her calling out bullshit when she sees it.

 

[Mr. Met]

Bingo.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

 

[jack walsh13]

She is doing her residency show here in Vegas and the wife made me buy tickets for next week. Bitch better be funny.

 

[playahaitian]

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