on the most surface level was your vote based on sex or color?
Clinton vs. Obama: Ladies does vagina trump color?
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I have been waiting for this post!!!
Get ready for the crickets from the afro-chikas!!!!
I found out on memorial day that my SISTER is a Hillary supporter.
And its because of the black men in her life!!!
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Not to count the two or three that will say race trumps gender...
A larger silent majority feels like voting for Obama rewards their dead beat baby daddy...
Get ready for the crickets from the afro-chikas!!!!
I found out on memorial day that my SISTER is a Hillary supporter.
And its because of the black men in her life!!!
***
Not to count the two or three that will say race trumps gender...
A larger silent majority feels like voting for Obama rewards their dead beat baby daddy...
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So I guess platform and experience doesn't play a factor in a voting decision, huh?
hahahaha
i was thinking the same thing
i'm not gonna just vote for a president cuz they look like me...cuz that MEANS NOTHING AT ALL!
i'm being real
i haven't been a fan of clinton for a while B4 the elections started and her mismanagement of her campaign funds, poorly fused campaign staff, poor planning, stupid comments have completely turned me off about her
guess what....if Obama did the same thing..i wouldn't be down for him either
i just happen to agree w/ a lot of what Obama stands for, more accountability, transparency (that's gonna be tough to pull off) and cohesion in the investment of our future as a country, our childrens' future and so on. If and when he is elected, I would love to see how it plays out.
it kinda sucks tho...Bush if fucking up the country the best way he can so WHOEVER the next president is...they are going to have a lot of work to do and may get blamed if they don't fix things right away.
with all this being said....BOOOOOO YOUR BIAS ASS POLL!
It was obvious to me, well I might look deeper into things than most, that he was saying ALL THINGS EQUAL, would you vote for the woman or the Black?
Correct me if I'm wrong geechiedan.
Correct me if I'm wrong geechiedan.
well concerning obama and clinton all things (or nearly all things) are equal..
they agree on like 95% of the issues and any differences they have is in minor details...
so to a certain extent is DOES come down to who do you like...
if you notice ANYONE who has a problem with obama or clinton NEVER states that it on policy issues...
so i think its a legit question..
they agree on like 95% of the issues and any differences they have is in minor details...
so to a certain extent is DOES come down to who do you like...
if you notice ANYONE who has a problem with obama or clinton NEVER states that it on policy issues...
so i think its a legit question..
yes they agree on certain issues but how they go about it...IMO that is how they differ...well concerning the one's I care about
neither one got my vote purely off of being black or being a female....i can say they BOTH peeked my interest being that they are minorities going after a historical white male position.
Day one of this election process I went with Hillary. I admittedly went with my gender (and the fact that I'm a Bill Clinton supporter). As soon as I listened to a debate between the two I changed my vote not based on gender or sex but common sense. I'm still pissed she said she voted for the Iraq War because she hoped it would not pass. Isn't that why we vote because we believe in something. Unlike most her supporters, I did graduate she can't pull any of her Jedi mind trics on me
. I admittedly went with my gender (and the fact that I'm a Bill Clinton supporter). As soon as I listened to a debate between the two I changed my vote not based on gender or sex but common sense. I'm still pissed she said she voted for the Iraq War because she hoped it would not pass. Isn't that why we vote because we believe in something. Unlike most her supporters, I did graduate she can't pull any of her Jedi mind trics on me
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Obviously, you vote based on the manifesto and platform the candidate is running on. But in the absence of a quasi-Utopian world where everyone is rational, the polls and election results have clearly reflected a gender and race bias during this primary.
I don't really have a problem with this - it's anthropologically consistent with human behavior.
What i do have a problem with, is the folks that knock brothas and sistsas who have voted for Obama just because he's black.
What's wrong with this?
Please think carefully before you answer.
I don't really have a problem with this - it's anthropologically consistent with human behavior.
What i do have a problem with, is the folks that knock brothas and sistsas who have voted for Obama just because he's black.
What's wrong with this?
Please think carefully before you answer.
Obviously, you vote based on the manifesto and platform the candidate is running on. But in the absence of a quasi-Utopian world where everyone is rational, the polls and election results have clearly reflected a gender and race bias during this primary.
I don't really have a problem with this - it's anthropologically consistent with human behavior.
What i do have a problem with, is the folks that knock brothas and sistsas who have voted for Obama just because he's black.
What's wrong with this?
Please think carefully before you answer.
Honestly the only problem I have with people voting becuz of only gender or race is this: What if that person was a terrible candidate? What if Obama was Bush-like would people still vote for him becuz he is black? I wouldnt. I vote based on principles and platforms, not just becuz a person is black. If Obama was a white man, he would still have my vote. Hillary cant run a campaign, much less the country. She might cost all democrats the election for the shit she is pulling.
well the accusation that blacks vote for blacks regardless is baseless when you throw at them the fact that NO blacks voted for alan keyes or al sharpton in large numbers when they ran...Obviously, you vote based on the manifesto and platform the candidate is running on. But in the absence of a quasi-Utopian world where everyone is rational, the polls and election results have clearly reflected a gender and race bias during this primary.
I don't really have a problem with this - it's anthropologically consistent with human behavior.
What i do have a problem with, is the folks that knock brothas and sistsas who have voted for Obama just because he's black.
What's wrong with this?
Please think carefully before you answer.
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Obviously, you vote based on the manifesto and platform the candidate is running on. But in the absence of a quasi-Utopian world where everyone is rational, the polls and election results have clearly reflected a gender and race bias during this primary.
I don't really have a problem with this - it's anthropologically consistent with human behavior.
What i do have a problem with, is the folks that knock brothas and sistsas who have voted for Obama just because he's black.
What's wrong with this?
Please think carefully before you answer.
my vote for obama is race based. it helps that he is who he is though makes it that much easier to hit the polls
CC, I agree with you 100%. I guess my question was more rhetorical than inquisitive. Here is my position, why i see nothing wrong with this:
A black candidate running for the presidency presents a unique scenario - I think there have only been 7 other cases in history. Now, juxtapose this on the back-drop of over 230 years of "bicameral" political history (not including about 300 or some odd years under British imperialism) where the status-quo has historically been, and not until recently, an institutionally white dominated society.
CAC's, have always voted for CAC candidates for reasons I don't need to explain. We were never even seen as viable a part of the political fabric of this country. OK, maybe there's been a few scattered cases where blacks were "embroidered" in for aesthetics and novelty. Meh ...
So, when a brotha/sista see's for the first time, a realistically viable BLACK candidate running for THE HIGHEST EXECUTIVE POSITION in this country, and say's: "
... oh snap! He looks just like me! Fuck it, I'm voting for him!"... I have no beef.
Just my thoughts.
Obviously, you vote based on the manifesto and platform the candidate is running on. But in the absence of a quasi-Utopian world where everyone is rational, the polls and election results have clearly reflected a gender and race bias during this primary.
I don't really have a problem with this - it's anthropologically consistent with human behavior.
What i do have a problem with, is the folks that knock brothas and sistsas who have voted for Obama just because he's black.
What's wrong with this?
Please think carefully before you answer.
Of course i can't vote but if i lived in the USA at this point in time i would vote based on race
At the beginning i was so proud to see them both there representing (race and gender) but as time passed and i listened Hillery really turned me off. She has whined, nit picked, manipulated, cried, tantrum, when she has not gotten her way. Through it all he has stood tall and proud.
This is the first black man in my generation that has gotten so far. As a race we should be proud and help him ...yes JUST BECAUSE HE"S BLACK
You must vote on the candidate that you feel best about. Voting by gender or race doesn't work to your advantage.
Look what happens when voters ignore the truth, you get George Bush as president for 8 years. 8 of the worse years in American history. You vote with your head.
Look what happens when voters ignore the truth, you get George Bush as president for 8 years. 8 of the worse years in American history. You vote with your head.
THANK YOU.
They say you should vote based on the positions that the candidates stand for. Obama's race - a black man of African decent, in the USA - is as solid as say, a position on health care reform or foreign policy. Yeah. I said it.
As much disenfranchisement as black people have endured, and the history of humiliation, strategic emasculation and stereotyping of black men (in front of black women) in this country, and there are sistas that actually think Hilary Rodham Clinton is the one to bring up black women in this country??
WTF?
THANK YOU.
They say you should vote based on the positions that the candidates stand for. Obama's race - a black man of African decent, in the USA - is as solid as say, a position on health care reform or foreign policy. Yeah. I said it.
As much disenfranchisement as black people have endured, and the history of humiliation, strategic emasculation and stereotyping of black men (in front of black women) in this country, and there are sistas that actually think Hilary Rodham Clinton is the one to bring up black women in this country??
WTF?
say it again sam.
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THANK YOU.
They say you should vote based on the positions that the candidates stand for. Obama's race - a black man of African decent, in the USA - is as solid as say, a position on health care reform or foreign policy. Yeah. I said it.
As much disenfranchisement as black people have endured, and the history of humiliation, strategic emasculation and stereotyping of black men (in front of black women) in this country, and there are sistas that actually think Hilary Rodham Clinton is the one to bring up black women in this country??
WTF?
And the black community wonder why our race can not move forward!WE NEED UNITY! Just ONCE we need to unite as a people!
When you have a race where both candidates have 95% identical views/ideas/aspirations for the country, one of the major deciding factor is going to be their race/gender/behavior. You people act like people are ONLY voting for them because of their race. If that were the case, Al Sharpton would have been democratic nominee a few years ago. Obama is not the first African American man to run for president. Let's get serious about this. He is where he is because someone thinks he has what it takes to get the job done. Its not just about race, but it is a deciding factor.
I'm gonna keep it real. When people describe me, they say African American woman. African American first, woman second. When they see me, they see my skin color first and my gender second. So when I vote, I vote "race" first and gender second. Point blank. Obama 08! Bitches.
*Walks away mumbling*
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
I'm gonna keep it real. When people describe me, they say African American woman. African American first, woman second. When they see me, they see my skin color first and my gender second. So when I vote, I vote "race" first and gender second. Point blank.
Obama 08! Bitches.*Walks away mumbling*
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
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I HOPE BLACK WOMEN IN THIS THREAD UNDERSTAND "THE WOMENS LIB MOVEMENT" WASNT FOR YOU... IT WAS JUST FOR WHITE WOMEN.... DO ANY OF YOU WOMEN REMEMBER WHAT THE HEAD OF THE WOMENS MOVEMENT SAID WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO EITHER GIVE VOTERS RIGHTS TO WHITE WOMAN OR BLACK MEN ??? SHE SAID AND I QOUTE " I BE DAMNED IF SAMBO PASSES ME IN LINE"
YOU SISTERS BETTER WAKE UP, AND TO THE MEN DONT THINK ITS ALWAYS OUR SISTER FAUGHT... WE NEED TO SUPPORT THEM TO THE FULLEST, SO THEY CAN BE THE BEST THAT THEY CAN BE....
ONE MORE THING LADIES REMEMBER YOUR BLACK FIRST, A QUEEN, AND A WOMAN SECOND....
That wasn't a factor when I said I would chose a woman over a man.
I think that a woman would have another woman's best interest in mind more than a man, just like a man would have a man's best interest in mind more than a woman.
It depends. If Hillary had been a stand up kind of woman and really had all the experience she claims, I would have voted for her. But several things turned me off from her. She has never been a politician until after her husband's presidncy, she tried to claim being first lady as "experience", and early on the way she tried to characterize Obama was dirty. So of the remaining Dems, I went with color (Edwards was a distant 2nd)
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