Chuck Liddell irked by Kimbo’s popularity
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when ever one man complains about another mans shine that sounds like a hater. kimbo isn't even in his weight class.
c/s kimbo can chunk em hands down. let the man get his money m
quit on the quick come up u all fuck azz haterzzzz
I think Chuck needs to stop worrying about Kimbo and worry about that real MMA n*gga who's taken his cookies last their last 2 fights.
Kimbo isn't a real MMA cat just yet, but he has great hands and a nice takedown defense, same shit Liddell has (noted, that liddell take down defense should be alot better).
Regardless of where Kimbo fought someone, point is is that he fought them cats and in my opinion, streetfights are a lil bit more dangerous than a cagefight for some $$$.
Kimbo is a humble dude, never came out of pocket when discussing MMA. He knows where his skills is at, knows where his weaknesses are. All the hate he's receiving truly is just that, but MMA seems to have quite a bit of hating ass homos, especially some of their fans, which actually turns me off to the sport at times.
Just talking to some of these cats (mainly white) on the street about it, all they would say is "Kimbo would get his ass beat in the UFC"... Most MMA fighters who've been doing this sport for years would get their asses beat in the UFC, whats the point? I tell them that they could go train for 3 years, then hop in the UFC and get their asses beat.
But honestly, I'd put Kimbos hands against the best of them in straight up standup. He's powerful, but his accuracy and form is whats impressive for just "an ordinary street fighter"
Kimbo isn't a real MMA cat just yet, but he has great hands and a nice takedown defense, same shit Liddell has (noted, that liddell take down defense should be alot better).
Regardless of where Kimbo fought someone, point is is that he fought them cats and in my opinion, streetfights are a lil bit more dangerous than a cagefight for some $$$.
Kimbo is a humble dude, never came out of pocket when discussing MMA. He knows where his skills is at, knows where his weaknesses are. All the hate he's receiving truly is just that, but MMA seems to have quite a bit of hating ass homos, especially some of their fans, which actually turns me off to the sport at times.
Just talking to some of these cats (mainly white) on the street about it, all they would say is "Kimbo would get his ass beat in the UFC"... Most MMA fighters who've been doing this sport for years would get their asses beat in the UFC, whats the point? I tell them that they could go train for 3 years, then hop in the UFC and get their asses beat.
But honestly, I'd put Kimbos hands against the best of them in straight up standup. He's powerful, but his accuracy and form is whats impressive for just "an ordinary street fighter"
These cats on here don't understand that all sports are a business. The money is not made in individual wins and lossess. It is made in television deals, licensing, and merchandise.
The "BEST" MMA fighters for the most part are from other countries.
Americans have proven that they will not gung-ho financially support athletes that are from foreign countries:
Soccer
Hockey
EuroChucker NBA Players
Even MLB latino players
Plus every sport has to have the FACE of the league. You would prefer that your BEST PLAYER is the most marketable.....but that is not a requirement.
While I have mad respect for Chuck Lydell.........
Imagine this scenario. You are in a charge of programming for a network. You are in a meeting with the heads of all the major MMA leagues. Obviously you want a fight that the MASSES will watch and have interest in. The MASSES being people that are not yet educated/appreciate the nuances of MMA.
The different league execs show you the list of the top fighters
http://www.docsports.com/ufc-fighters.html
I would think damn..these are some really skilled fighters... but will "Joe 6 pack" be interested in watching a Brazilian master of Judo?
Then one of the execs say ..hey we got this other guy who is not one of the top skilled fighters...but he has a cult following... He is a street fighter from Miami.....lets bring him into the meeting.
Then this guy walks in:
This is the guy I want to be the face of the support to get the MOST MAINSTREAM EXPOSURE AND $$$.
A puncher (which the masses appreciate and understand) and has the "Look" of a BAD AZZ MUTHERFUCKA.. and is infused with HIP HOP culture.......which is the target demographic.
1. Anderson Silva (5) - Silva dropped a bit last time because I was bored by how easily he was winning. Now that a bit more time has passed I have no choice but to move him up to the top of the heap because he is currently the best there is and it isn't even close. Since the last rankings The Spider has been an animal. He defended his UFC Middleweight title in a rematch with Rich Franklin, the man he claimed the belt from in the first place, in October. After that he absolutely and overwhelmingly dominated Dan Henderson at UFC 82 in March to unify his title and the Pride Welterweight title that Henderson had held. It's hard to know what Silva will do next because the UFC doesn't really have anyone worthy of fighting him. The one thing he really shouldn't do, though, is the thing that he says he wants to do - fight Roy Jones Jr. in a boxing match. I'm not sure that Silva would have the game to combat a savvy boxer with years of experience, and I am certain that the whole thing would be a ridiculous circus more befitting a guy like Mike Tyson than Anderson Silva.
2. Georges St. Pierre (3) - St. Pierre moves up a spot on the strength of his win over Matt Hughes to claim the interim welterweight title. It was a dominating effort, and it put St. Pierre square on top of perhaps the toughest, and certainly the deepest, division in the UFC. If St. Pierre can avenge his loss to Matt Serra, and given that UFC 83 will take place in front of a ravenous hometown crowd in Montreal, that seems very likely, then St. Pierre will be virtually unchallenged in his position and will be in a similar position to Silva - holding a title but with little in the way of logical competition.
3. Fedor Emelianenko (1) - I should qualify this pick by saying that I have little doubt that Emelianenko is the best fighter in the world, or that he could be at least as dominant in his weight class as Silva is in his. I dropped him down two spots, however, because I wish that he would just quit living a soap opera and fight someone. Anyone. Sure, he beat Hong-man Choi on New Year's Eve, but so what? Choi is a nobody and beating him proves nothing. Now we are stuck in a bizarre dance over whether or not he will head to EliteXC, whether he can find a place to fight Randy Couture, and a bunch of other ridiculous dramas. For the life of me I don't understand why he just doesn't swallow his pride, join the UFC and destroy everyone in his path.
4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (7) - Speaking of guys I would love to see Fedor fight. Fedor has beat him twice and fought to a no contest once, but not since 2004, and Nogueira is older and wiser now. At the very least it would be a great fight. With a solid win against Tim Sylvia at UFC 81 in which Nogueira showed that he might suffer a setback in a fight, but he will usually fight back stronger than ever, Nogueira won the UFC heavyweight title to become the first man to hold that distinction in both UFC and Pride. He is the best heavyweight ground fighter that there is, and he is clearly the best the UFC has right now.
5. Quinton 'Rampage' Jackson (2) - Jackson drops down the rankings out of inactivity. As a fighter he would belong higher even if I don't like his style, but a broken hand has him out of action since the last rankings, and that has let active fighters pass him. He's a striker who has a strong takedown and doesn't look out of place on the ground. That balance is what makes him so dangerous. I am excited to see how he comes back from his break. He'll be a coach on Ultimate Fighter 7 against Forest Griffin, so that will give us a chance to see him at least a bit when that premieres next month.
6. B.J. Penn (6) - If there is one thing I value in a fighter over anything other than unbridled nastiness it's versatility. Few fighters are more versatile than Penn. He is a factor in both the lightweight and welterweight divisions, and he has a newly rededicated focus on training that will only make him better. That focus paid off immediately with a UFC Lightweight title over Joe Stephenson at UFC 80 in January. He is currently a fairly heavy favorite against Sean Sherk at UFC 84 when he defends that title. A win there will really launch him into an upper echelon.
7. Norifumi Yamamoto (unranked) - The UFC is a bit confused right now - there are a lot of guys I could put here, but none that I am crazy about or that I think absolutely deserve to be here. Instead, then, I will look to K-1. 'Kid' Yamamoto is a lightweight who has incredible speed and is ridiculously versatile on the ground. He hasn't lost in almost six years, and he would be a fascinating matchup if he ever decided to cross the ocean.
8. Urijah Faber (unranked) - His name might sound quite exotic, but this guy is actually a Californian. The lightweight fights at 140 pounds in the WEC, and he is clearly the best fighter in that up-and-coming organization. His only loss was in 2005 against Tyson Griffin, but he has bounced back from that to win 12 straight. Yet another guy that I would love to see cross over and fight the best of the UFC. All of the splintering and division is not good for this sport.
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9. Randy Couture (4) - Couture hit a rough stretch since the last rankings. He committed professional suicide by resigning from the UFC in a tiff over money, and now he is looking for a home, and reportedly, a place to fight Fedor Emelianenko. He hasn't fought since last time, but he is still sort of the UFC Heavyweight champ. His win over Gabriel Gonzaga to claim that title despite a broken arm is no less impressive now than it was back then, and the fight with Fedor would be very fun to watch, so I will keep him on my rankings.
10. Chuck Liddell (unranked) - Just for old times sake I will put the Iceman back in the rankings, though his inclusion has as much to do with the lack of excitement in the UFC right now as it does with him. He'd had a couple of pretty ugly losses in a row last year against Jackson and Keith Jardine, so it was particularly impressive how he bounced back to beat Wanderlei Silva at UFC 79. It wasn't dominating, but it was a unanimous decision against a tough fighter, and it proved that it isn't time to count Chuck out just yet. An upcoming fight with Mauricio Rua would have been interesting, but Rua was injured so Liddell will now fight Rashad Evans at UFC 85.
I like Kimbo he is a brawler..back to the early days of UFC, but he is not a Mixed Martial Artist...yet !!!! He needs to get grappling and submission game together. He threw some knees last night and had some good escapes, but the guy he fought was average. Kimbo admitted after the fight last night he needs to stop smoking (I assuming he ment weed) because it is cutting off his wind. He needs to get is ass on a treadmill or run out side. That shit almost cought up with last night.
Chcuk could not do street fights if he wanted to, he to thin is the ass to match up....
Chcuk could not do street fights if he wanted to, he to thin is the ass to match up....
What in the hell are you smoking? If he had great takedown defense that fight would have gone different.
I don't understand some of you folks on here. You claim Liddell is hating and shit about Kimbo being black. That shit has nothing to do with this. If any true fighting fan watch last night they would know why Chuck is pissed. They hyped Kimbo as the biggest thing to hit t.v. and they cheated on live t.v. for him. This man takes credit for what? Chuch doesn't bitch about his losses and doesn't have to have anyone cheat for him. He respected Rampage for beating that ass but he came back and beat Wanderlei Silva. Plain and simple, Kimbo will only be a so-so fighter until he steps up his game and training and if anyone wants to disagree or bitch, please say so and I can school you on some real shit.
relax and take a breath. first thing you must learn when you come to BGOL is that you can be 100% correct, but fans see what they want to see. of course, then, it follows that they believe what they think they saw. it makes life easier for them to digest that way.
i haven't seen the hype in those proportions, but to be honest, MMA doesn't often even register on my media radar. as for the allegations of cheating, i thought it was unusual that they did not stop the match in R2 when kimbo had his arm pinned and was basically taking free shots for what seemed like an eternity. kimbo asserted that the blows weren't much more than love taps, but so what? i heard the other allegation that kimbo tapped, but i didn't see any sign of a tap.
in the end, keep in mind that marketing (and it's evil twin, HYPE) is something of a necessary evil in american professional sports. it helps to generate interest and swell the gate. just consider yourself fortunate that you aren't one of the sheep who are susceptible to it.
the announcers durin the EliteXC fight were comparing Kimbo to Tiger Woods.
cmon now........the allegations are that the fight was fixed. in the 2nd round, when thompson first took him down, he had kimbo in side mount, which is a dominant position to be in when on top. word on the street is, elitexc vice president was heard yelling at the ref to stand them up, but this was only after like 10 seconds on the ground. they got stood up.
thompson takes him down again, and pins kimbo up against the cage. drops elbows on him for 30 seconds-1 minute straight. Unified Rules state that if a fighter is not intelligently defending himself, the ref must step in for the TKO. he didnt. kimbo says, the elbows did no damage at all, cuz even i saw that thompson was throwing some weak ass shit. so thompson mightve been in on it too..
oh here we go...i jus found some proof that the whole event was sorta fixed in favor of the more popular fighters..
5) Highly respected longtime MMA media/community member Randy Harris reports Jared Shaw standing cage side screaming instructions at Dan Mirgliotta in the second round (source: thread here by Randy)
4) Scott Smith not getting 5 full minutes to recover from the eye poke. After he asked for the five minutes. Rules state, the fighter gets five minutes, then the Doctor makes the call.
3) Ringside doctor clears Young to come out for third round, Commission officials overrule their own doctor and call the fight, Young is banned by EliteXC from post fight press conference and after party (source: Kaitlin Young)
13:46-24A.12 Stopping a contest
The referee and ringside physician are the sole arbiters of a bout and are the only individuals authorized to enter the fighting area at any time during competition and authorized to stop a contest.
2) Kimbo/Thompson stood up from side mount and ref threatened Thompson with a standup from mount (source: TV broadcast)
1) Judge Colon scoring round 2 for Kimbo
Why should he worry about Rampage...He is 0-2 against him lifetime....
Must be kidding right... Kimbo could not beat a lightweight who had ground skills...
