China warns U.S. of serious repercussions

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BEIJING (AP) — China stepped up its criticism Tuesday of a proposed U.S. law to punish countries with artificially low currencies, saying there would be serious repercussions for the world's two biggest economies if it is passed.

The criticism comes after U.S. senators voted Monday to open a week of debate on the bill that would allow the government to impose additional duties on products from countries that subsidize exports by undervaluing their currencies.

How worried China is about the proposed law can be seen by the fact that the Foreign Ministry, the Commerce Ministry and central bank all issued statements denouncing it.

But the legislation faces considerable hurdles before it becomes law. The Obama White House, while agreeing that China's currency, the yuan, is undervalued, has been wary of unilateral sanctions against the Beijing government.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said the Senate move "seriously violated WTO rules and seriously disturbed China-U.S. trade and economic relations."

Ma said China is reforming how it manages the yuan and that since June 2010 it had increased in value by 7 percent compared to the dollar.

He repeated Chinese comments that the exchange rate is not the cause of America's big trade deficit with China.

Ma said in a statement that China is the fastest growing export market for the United States and trade is important to both sides.

"The Chinese side appeals to the U.S. side to abandon protectionism and not to politicize trade and economic issues, so as to create a favorable environment for the development of China-U.S. economic and trade ties," Ma said.

Supporters of the legislation say it would create new jobs and boost the U.S. economy, but China, and some in the United States, say it could trigger a damaging trade war.

The Chinese central bank warned the proposed law would not fix the economic problems in the United States and could cause more serious problems.

If the bill passes, it "cannot resolve insufficient saving, the high trade deficit and the high unemployment rate in the U.S., and it may seriously affect the progress of China's exchange rate reform and may lead to a trade war, which we do not want to see," the bank said.

Commerce Ministry spokesman Shen Danyang said China has taken measures to increase U.S. imports and added Beijing hopes "the U.S. side can make positive efforts in substantially relaxing restrictions on exports to China."
 
In some ways that is a good law for us because China purposely under values it's currency to make their imports cheap. Time will tell.
 
Fuck them...
let's undervalue our loan repayments to match their currency... :lol:

I still don't understand why we call it trade when we import our goods more than export and Americans don't purchase American
 
Yeah its just quite ironic that nigeria added the yuan currency to its countries economic portfolio.
 
In some ways that is a good law for us because China purposely under values it's currency to make their imports cheap. Time will tell.

Until 1971 the United States operated on a gold exchange standard, meaning dollars could be redeemed in gold by foreign governments. The dollar was thought to be “as good as gold” because the U.S. would never renege on its gold exchange commitment. The U.S. had to keep that commitment or risk gold outflows that presumably would keep the government from engaging in loose fiscal and monetary policy.

Unfortunately, the system did not in fact keep government spending in check. The federal government ran large budget deficits throughout the 1960s, with the Federal Reserve duly covering the gap and inflating the money supply. Foreign creditors understood that the dollar was being devalued, and increasingly began to exchange their dollars for gold. Rather than bring monetary and fiscal policies back into balance, however, the federal government under President Nixon defaulted on its obligations by closing the gold window in August of 1971.


Now how is this any different from what the Chinese are doing now?
 
Yeah its just quite ironic that nigeria added the yuan currency to its countries economic portfolio.

How is this good for Nigeria ?? I mean it's obvious that China is looking to recolonize Africa economically. China really isn't any different from any European country in what they are starting to do in Africa it's just there turn it seems :smh:. Does adding the yuan currency to it's economic portfolio actually help Nigeria ??? How does it affect the Naira ????
 
Now how is this any different from what the Chinese are doing now?

You're kinda all over the place. This is not as much about currency exchange as it's about trade. And if you haven't notice the 5 fold trade deficit than you're not looking.
 
You're kinda all over the place. This is not as much about currency exchange as it's about trade. And if you haven't notice the 5 fold trade deficit than you're not looking.

Actually, it's more about doing what's good for you irrespective of how your competitors feel about it because you have the power to do it...
Hence my question.
 
Actually, it's more about doing what's good for you irrespective of how your competitors feel about it because you have the power to do it...
Hence my question.

Why would anyone care how their competitors feel about an economic policy change to reduce an ongoing unfair trade deficit that has been bleeding the country of money and jobs for 30 years? This is what has made China the superpower they are today.

Fuck them. They are spying on us. Infriging on our patients, stealing technology. We should have done this years ago. I respect your opinion but I don't agree with it.
 
Why would anyone care how their competitors feel about an economic policy change to reduce an ongoing unfair trade deficit that has been bleeding the country of money and jobs for 30 years? This is what has made China the superpower they are today.

Fuck them. They are spying on us. Infriging on our patients, stealing technology. We should have done this years ago. I respect your opinion but I don't agree with it.


Mine is not an opinion per se, it's just a question.
The US policy makers make it seem as if it's a moral position they are holding and I'm just questioning that part.
I'm no lover of China, I'm just an objective observer.

ps
Everybody steals technology my friend.
 
Win side is China. Largest single consumption market. What goes into the mouth, invest in it now. China also have longer history of been a superpower nation, the governance comes from learning from the past.
 
In some ways that is a good law for us because China purposely under values it's currency to make their imports cheap. Time will tell.

Trade wars are NEVER good. The GOP stays fukin up. Only thing China gonna do is retaliate with tariffs against our goods.
 
Win side is China. Largest single consumption market. What goes into the mouth, invest in it now. China also have longer history of been a superpower nation, the governance comes from learning from the past.
:confused:
 

China For centuries, the Chinese traded their riches with Europe along the Silk Road and economic history goes farther than USA. They have written records and created many of systems we use in trade today. In 106 BC, for the first time, a caravan leaves China and travels through to Persia without the goods changing hands on the way. The Silk Road is open.



http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ab72

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China
 
Until 1971 the United States operated on a gold exchange standard, meaning dollars could be redeemed in gold by foreign governments. The dollar was thought to be “as good as gold” because the U.S. would never renege on its gold exchange commitment. The U.S. had to keep that commitment or risk gold outflows that presumably would keep the government from engaging in loose fiscal and monetary policy.

Unfortunately, the system did not in fact keep government spending in check. The federal government ran large budget deficits throughout the 1960s, with the Federal Reserve duly covering the gap and inflating the money supply. Foreign creditors understood that the dollar was being devalued, and increasingly began to exchange their dollars for gold. Rather than bring monetary and fiscal policies back into balance, however, the federal government under President Nixon defaulted on its obligations by closing the gold window in August of 1971.


Now how is this any different from what the Chinese are doing now?

It's not different. It's the same shit. The US borrowed huge amounts of money to finance its expansion as well as devalued it's currency to become a trade super power. Everyone wanted to buy American during the 40's, 50's, and 60's, because American products were presumably the best and less expensive overseas than domestically.

Your logic carries over into the nuclear weapons issue. The US, Israel, and other western nations are allowed to have nuclear weapons, but North Korea, Iran, and other nations are not allowed to have them. It's called eurocentric hypocrisy.
 

This is true.

Germany and China are two of the most resilient nations on the face of the Earth.

China more so because they nearly brought the collapse of the Roman Empire centuries before it's split up via the same way through lopsided trade.

The only thing that has held China from wielding true Global power is the different sects within it's nation but with a Communist structure, that is no longer an issue.
 
Trade wars are NEVER good. The GOP stays fukin up. Only thing China gonna do is retaliate with tariffs against our goods.

They don't hear you. Guess no one has ever heard of Smoot-Hawley. That went so well.

What GM cars?

Even though America has a trade deficit, it still produces the most shit bar none, even more than China. America alone accounts for 1/5th of all manufacturing worldwide. It produces more than Japan, Germany, England and Italy combined. It's barely dropped a percentage point in the last 20 years.

"We" send them (Chinese) the important shit (machinery, power generation materials, food, aircraft/spacecraft parts, medical equipment, plastics, cars, chemicals, paper, copper/aluminum). In return, they send "us" the bullshit from the raw materials "we" send them (clothes, toys, sports equipment, furniture, shoes, and other accessories).

The problem? Americans are addicted to cheap shit. I don't like it nor do most Americans, but high wages and cheap goods are unsustainable. Americans are forced with a choice. It's either high wages or cheap goods or the prop of both by never-ending conquest. However, Americans need to remind themselves before choosing the latter. It has been a catalyst for the downfall of every major empire in history.



But, then again. I could be wrong. :D
 
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