China Unveils 'Fastest Train' in World

[thoughtone]

source: Fox News

China unveiled what it touted as the fastest rail link in the world on Saturday, the Agence France Presse reported.

The train will run between the cities of Guangzhou and Wuhan. At an average speed of 217 miles per hour, the high-speed train reduces the 664 mile ride from ten and a half hours to just three hours, an official Xinhua news agency said, according to AFP.

Construction on the rail link began in 2005. The idea was to connect Guangzhou, a business hub in southern China near Hong Kong, with the capital Beijing, Xinhua said, according to AFP.

"The train can go (217 miles) per hour, it's the fastest train in operation in the world," Zhang Shuguang, head of the transport bureau at the railways ministry, told Xinhua, AFP reported.

Japan's high-speed trains operate at 150 miles per hour, while in France they run at an average speed of 172 miles an hour.

 

[QueEx]

And this from Wikipedia:

"High-speed rail in the United States currently consists of one rail line described by the US Department of Transportation as a high-speed line:[1] Amtrak's Acela Express service, which runs the Northeast Corridor—from Boston via New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore, to Washington, D.C.—at speeds averaging 68 mph (109 km/h) for the entire distance but briefly reaching 150 mph (240 km/h) at times."​

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_the_United_States

 

[Cruise]

Why o why does France/Germany, Japan, and China have high-speed rail, and not the United States?

Oh, right. Those countries don't have multinational oil companies.

You can't have high-speed electric trains and have an ExxonMobil.

Cars and oil, to our last breath.

 

[SPECTRE1]

They dropped 8 billion on high speed rail, but it isn't 100 billion like China (trillion dollars if a similiar investment was made in the US) The US money is tied up in war spending.

 

[Ruff Ryder]

Q. Why no high speed trains in America?

A. High speed trains don't consume oil.

 

[thoughtone]

Why o why does France/Germany, Japan, and China have high-speed rail, and not the United States?

Oh, right. Those countries don't have multinational oil companies.

You can't have high-speed electric trains and have an ExxonMobil.

Cars and oil, to our last breath.

Why o why does France/Germany, Japan, and China have high-speed rail, and not the United States?

Oh, right. Those countries don't have multinational oil companies.

Total S.A.

However, that being said, no other major country's government is bought and paid for by business corporate interests like the USA's is.

 

[thoughtone]

They dropped 8 billion on high speed rail, but it isn't 100 billion like China (trillion dollars if a similiar investment was made in the US) The US money is tied up in war spending.

Exactly! First it was the automobile cartel, now it is the military industrial complex. Corporations have more rights than individuals in the US.

Besides, how much resistance have we seen against domestic government stimulus spending from libertarians, republicans and the right?

 

[QueEx]

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Coming from you, thats an interesting question.

Your question (why not the U.S.) actually presupposes and assumes that the U.S. SHOULD be FIRST; and that the U.S. SHOULD LEAD, in whatever field or venture there is.

Of course, you know that the worlds resources are limited and that leading nations compete for those scarce resources. You also know that such competition is also a major reason for conflict and war.

So, you urge FIRST on the one hand; yet urge pacification on the other. A strange admixture, coming from you, the professed anarchist

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Oh, right. Those countries don't have multinational oil companies.

You can't have high-speed electric trains and have an ExxonMobil.</font size>

You're right, they have the Chinese government which is itself, a huge multinational oil company. Again, I am surprised that the anarchist in you actually supports such tight governmental control.



QueEx

 

[SPECTRE1]

Exactly! First it was the automobile cartel, now it is the military industrial complex. Corporations have more rights than individuals in the US.

Besides, how much resistance have we seen against domestic government stimulus spending from libertarians, republicans and the right?

Plus if you are on a bullet train running across the country, you are not stopping somewhere and buying gas, food, toll road, lodging, and speed trap money. There are also county and state taxes on these items; another reason the states aren't pushing it hard probably.

 

[Cruise]

However, that being said, no other major country's government is bought and paid for by business corporate interests like the USA's is.

Yeah, Total is one of the biggies.

But, I agree they don't have government control like Big Oil in the US.

Coming from you, thats an interesting question.

Your question (why not the U.S.) actually presupposes and assumes that the U.S. SHOULD be FIRST; and that the U.S. SHOULD LEAD, in whatever field or venture there is.

Whites believe in Amercian exceptionalism, so why not?

Of course, you know that the worlds resources are limited and that leading nations compete for those scarce resources. You also know that such competition is also a major reason for conflict and war.

So, you urge FIRST on the one hand; yet urge pacification on the other. A strange admixture, coming from you, the professed anarchist

What's so confusing?

The US should build its internal infrastructure and not waste it on stadiums, coliseums, minimalls, and McMansions.

Besides, I am just arguing the viewpoint of those who believe in BIG government.

Personally, it does not surprise me at all that the Federal government failed on high-speed transit.

You're right, they have the Chinese government which is itself, a huge multinational oil company. Again, I am surprised that the anarchist in you actually supports such tight governmental control.



QueEx

I detect a hint of sarcasm here.

 

[thoughtone]

Yeah, Total is one of the biggies.

But, I agree they don't have government control like Big Oil in the US.



Whites believe in Amercian exceptionalism, so why not?



What's so confusing?

The US should build its internal infrastructure and not waste it on stadiums, coliseums, minimalls, and McMansions.

Besides, I am just arguing the viewpoint of those who believe in BIG government.

Personally, it does not surprise me at all that the Federal government failed on high-speed transit.



I detect a hint of sarcasm here.

Whites believe in Amercian exceptionalism, so why not?

For an honest debate on actually fixing the issues that ail my country, your country, our country we have to accept our culpability not only as Americans, but as Black folks that we have contributed to failures.

The US should build its internal infrastructure and not waste it on stadiums, coliseums, minimalls, and McMansions.

But in order to do this, their must be a national business plan. The libertarian, Ayn Rand thinking of the last 30 years must be abandoned. We have become a nation of multinational corporations competing against nations with a plan. We must wrench control from the corporate capitalists and return it to the people.

Personally, it does not surprise me at all that the Federal government failed on high-speed transit.

Typical American with the short memory. The reason Amtrak even exists is because the American private passenger railroad industry failed catastrophically in the late 1960s. All passenger railroads throughout the world and the most successful are state owned. This socialism talking point is causing the United States to become a second world nation. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want the entire US to become just like the “South,” dependent on the military, military bases and interstate highways for its economic viability.

I detect a hint of sarcasm here.

Possible, but spot on!

 

[Lamarr]

The train in China is something the Chinese should take pride in, thats the way they would like to spend 'their' money, fine.

Our resources are being used in fighting terrorism (500 million a day?) to bomb other 'people of color'. We were once a nation that produced the brightest minds & the best products, but somewhere, we have lost our way.

On another note; the US is profit-driven. If someone felt they could make $$$ making a fast train, the "private sector" would've introduced the concept long ago. People invest in ideas that will make dough

 

[QueEx]

Our resources are being used in fighting terrorism (500 million a day?) to bomb other 'people of color'. We were once a nation that produced the brightest minds & the best products, but somewhere, we have lost our way.

• Terrorism. I forgot, there is no such thing as terrorism. Why do we non-librarians not see that its so simple as 'leaving them alone' and they will leave us alone ? ? ?

• People of Color. Glad to hear you seem to define as "brothers" anyone who has "color", instead of those who have mutual connection with you. Perhaps, that will serve you well if (and I pray it doesn't come to past) the terrorist bomb goes off in some building that also happens to be occupied by YOU and people of non-color.
  
  By the way, how do you define color ??? Anyone who is non-white ??? How much lack of color makes one non-white??? How much color makes one of color ???
  
  Sounds like the gotdamn One Drop Rule take to its illogical extreme.
  
  Silliest shit I've ever heard of.
  
  Sounds akin to that assinine shit Cruise subscribes to: the amount of caucasian ancestry one has -- somehow makes the individual more or less, black.

On another note; the US is profit-driven. If someone felt they could make $$$ making a fast train, the "private sector" would've introduced the concept long ago. People invest in ideas that will make dough

You omitted an essential ingredient. There must be willing purchasers and willing buyers. The notion that "If you build it, they will come" is pure fantasy and the movie that spread the concept was only successful, because there were willing viewers. When Americans either wake up one morning with the urge to change or wake up one morning faced with reality of changing our means of transportation, then the investors, public or private, will come.

QueEx

 

[Cruise]

On another note; the US is profit-driven. If someone felt they could make $$$ making a fast train, the "private sector" would've introduced the concept long ago. People invest in ideas that will make dough

The US is not really profit-driven. It is more of a white supremacist ideal.

I say this because government regulation, controls, and subsidies destroy the price mechanism in the marketplace, creating artifical shortages and surpluses. This is to drain the resources of non-white areas so whites can maintain dominance over them.

The US built a massive rail network in the 19th century WITHOUT multinational corporations and government interference. There is no reason it can't happen again if the government would just get out of the way and get rid of the corporation.

Sounds akin to that assinine shit Cruise subscribes to: the amount of caucasian ancestry one has -- somehow makes the individual more or less, black.





You omitted an essential ingredient. There must be willing purchasers and willing buyers. The notion that "If you build it, they will come" is pure fantasy and the movie that spread the concept was only successful, because there were willing viewers. When Americans either wake up one morning with the urge to change or wake up one morning faced with reality of changing our means of transportation, then the investors, public or private, will come.

QueEx

What the hell are you talking about? I never deride anyone unless they claim to be a "white" or justify a "white" position.

It seems you should have figured out by now that my definition of "white" is...

anyone who claims to be, or
adopts its supporting beliefs (e.g. "white supremacy" "American exceptionalism" "Keynesianism" "Globalism" etc.), or
chooses to live by white standards (seeking white neighborhoods, white schools, white businesses, etc.)

White is a religion and anyone who can worship at its altar.

I thought you were smarter than that?

 

[Lamarr]

• Terrorism. I forgot, there is no such thing as terrorism. Why do we non-librarians not see that its so simple as 'leaving them alone' and they will leave us alone ? ? ?

• People of Color. Glad to hear you seem to define as "brothers" anyone who has "color", instead of those who have mutual connection with you. Perhaps, that will serve you well if (and I pray it doesn't come to past) the terrorist bomb goes off in some building that also happens to be occupied by YOU and people of non-color. QueEx

• 
  
  My 'connection' is with those who support freedom & equality (black, white, I don't give a f*ck) It's a shame that some of us have lost our way. I judge people by the content of their character but I can't help but notice the 'color' of the population of the countries we go to war with.
  
  The overwhelming majority of people in the MIddle East don't support the use of terrorism just like the overwhelming majority of Americans don't support how we are responding. My disconnect is with a handful of control freaks who manipulate free humanity, and as we witness everyday, people are waking up to the BS, in droves!
  
  

  You omitted an essential ingredient. There must be willing purchasers and willing buyers. The notion that "If you build it, they will come" is pure fantasy and the movie that spread the concept was only successful, because there were willing viewers. When Americans either wake up one morning with the urge to change or wake up one morning faced with reality of changing our means of transportation, then the investors, public or private, will come.
  
  QueEx

  
  True, necessity is the mother of invention. But you make it sound as if, we are starting from scratch. We have a railways system, I can't validate how good or efficient it is but if there were a need to change, we could adapt quickly

 

[QueEx]

What the hell are you talking about? I never deride anyone unless they claim to be a "white" or justify a "white" position.

LOL Bullshit.

It seems you should have figured out by now that my definition of "white" is...

anyone who claims to be, or
adopts its supporting beliefs (e.g. "white supremacy" "American exceptionalism" "Keynesianism" "Globalism" etc.), or
chooses to live by white standards (seeking white neighborhoods, white schools, white businesses, etc.)

White is a religion and anyone who can worship at its altar.

I thought you were smarter than that?

I'm learning.

I didn't know that its not Black to espouse America being exceptional.

I didn't know that its not Black to hold different economic views.

I didn't know that merely living in a predominantly white neighborhood means, you're not black.

I didn't know that to run a business, using similar principles as anyone else, including someone who happens to be white, is not black.

I didn't know that to attend a school that might be predominantly white is, not black.


I did know, however, that to support white supremacy, is not black; so, give me 1 of 6,

. . . but, I'm learning.

QueEx

 

[QueEx]

My 'connection' is with those who support freedom & equality (black, white, I don't give a f*ck) It's a shame that some of us have lost our way. I judge people by the content of their character but I can't help but notice the 'color' of the population of the countries we go to war with.

Yeah right! When caught, just say any gotdamn thing.


QueEx

 

[Lamarr]

Yeah right! When caught, just say any gotdamn thing.


QueEx

caught? aight, Happy New Years dawg

 

[QueEx]

Yeah, caught.

You came back and tried to explain away your people of color theory which, on its face, had you blindly embracing as brothers people who have a hint or more of melatonin -- but who would have little compunction in killing your and my black ass, on sight. Color is not a "uniting" or "binding" agent for them; and I would urge that it shouldn't be an overidding concern, for us either.

I think maybe I understand this kindred we have with people of color.

I think it arises out of us witnessing both our oppression and the oppression of others who, in the main, tend to be other people, of color. But, I have not seen where the other people-of-color-of-the-world give a shit about, our plight. In fact, I came to understand a long time ago, that people bind together around a lot of other concepts and realities, i.e., religion, actual kinship, tribal connections, family, economics, etc., waaaay more than they do -- based on color.

Color, it seems to me, has much more importance where master-servant colonialism has existed. In such relationships, the oppressed and their oppressors tend to operate in an odd symbiotic color-struck existence based on their relative positions of power and subservience. But, I have never seen or studied where the so-called "people of color" from different cultures have banded together in a rainbow coalition (not even Jesse was successful in doing that) against the "Un-Color" (you know, the Un-Cola, the 7-Up or Sprite people).

I'm not saying that the rainbow coalition is unworkable, impossible or unworthy. But I am saying, WE (African Americans, Black people) seem far more preoccupied with the notion of people of color, than the rest of the, people of color.

QueEx

 

[Lamarr]

Yeah, caught.

You came back and tried to explain away your people of color theory which, on its face, had you blindly embracing as brothers people who have a hint or more of melatonin -- but who would have little compunction in killing your and my black ass, on sight. Color is not a "uniting" or "binding" agent for them; and I would urge that it shouldn't be an overidding concern, for us either.

I think maybe I understand this kindred we have with people of color.
QueEx

You & I see the world through different lenses, which is not a negative thing. You may view my statement as "explaining away" the people of color theory but that was not hardly the case. It was meant in an all-inclusive way to say many, not only blacks, are suffering from the effects of American Imperialism, Globalism, War etc. On the opposite sides of all these conflicts around the globe, you will find that a disproportionate number of those people are 'people of color'.

I've learned to operate on the premise that an 'injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere'! Thats just how I see things

I'm not saying that the rainbow coalition is unworkable, impossible or unworthy. But I am saying, WE (African Americans, Black people) seem far more preoccupied with the notion of people of color, than the rest of the, people of color.

QueEx

I'm inclined to agree but I can only speak for myself. People that know my posting style know that I rarely bring up color in any thread.

All that to say a lot America's priorities / resources are placed in non-productive areas to be competitive with China.

 

[Cruise]

LOL Bullshit.



I'm learning.

I didn't know that its not Black to espouse America being exceptional.

I didn't know that its not Black to hold different economic views.

I didn't know that merely living in a predominantly white neighborhood means, you're not black.

I didn't know that to run a business, using similar principles as anyone else, including someone who happens to be white, is not black.

I didn't know that to attend a school that might be predominantly white is, not black.


I did know, however, that to support white supremacy, is not black; so, give me 1 of 6,

. . . but, I'm learning.

QueEx

You are taking a negative of my position to show that it is my position.

But you assume too much.

I never defined what black is. In fact, I never will. It is a useless term.

 

[thoughtone]

China High Speed Train Breaks Speed Record, 302 mph!

China proposes worlds largest high speed train network costing $300 billion! I hope you learn to understand Mandarin Chinese! They are going to eat our breakfast, lunch and dinner.

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