Charles Barkley: LeBron James will never be a top-five NBA great

Magic played on a team that was loaded and may have won finals with out him, Kareem team won a finals with out him... Russell and Chamberlain played in the WNBA while LeBron took expansion team talents to the finals and was always the best players on his team that won..

The assertion Lakers win championships without Magic doesn't merit a reply. Any team Kareem played on was an instant title contender. 6 of Russell's 11 championships were against Jerry West and Elgin Baylor of the Lakers. Hardly WNBA talent. As far as loaded teams go, Miami Heat were pretty loaded as well as the Cavalier's.
 

wait he said Lebron was more athletic than Kareem? I bet that Lebron could not make 4 out of 10 skyhooks. Now couple that with the fact that you could body the fuck out of someone, can you imagine the core strength Kareem had to extend like that on ONE LEG, over and over again. and he was 7 feet tall. Lebron can jump out of the fucking gym, but cant even go straight up and down on his jump shots. You have to take the TOTAL game, not just the flashy imo

Lebron getting blocked left and right by Draymond Green at 31...Who the fuck was blocking Kareem's shot at 41??

Not sure any 7 footer ran the court better than Kareem EVER


Damn man one Kyrie shot has changed the minds of so many NBA fans.
 
My point is Larry Bird didn't play against a 73-9 squad with a unanimous MVP.

And are you saying LeBron is playing inferior competition since every time he does win a finals he's the MVP?
are people really using this unanimous mvp line like that shit really means something.. i already addressed that term when it is what it is was boasting about curry "unamious mvp"..that shit means nothing cause at the end of the day like i said in the og thread even b4 the finals curry season ain't even the top 5 best performances ever..wilt had 50 per game, oscar triple double average, the dream mvp/defensive player of the yr/ and finals mvp, jordan mvp/defensive player of the yr, etc.. curry scored like 31 points a game and made a lot of 3 pointers..his points per average wasnt top 5 ever his steals per game wasn't top 5, assist, etc.. he made a shitload of 3's and scored 31 points a game whippy fucking do.. bird played vs the all time leading scorer and top 5 assist man ever.. reem/magic plus worthy aka the dynasty which is known as showtime
 
The assertion Lakers win championships without Magic doesn't merit a reply. Any team Kareem played on was an instant title contender. 6 of Russell's 11 championships were against Jerry West and Elgin Baylor of the Lakers. Hardly WNBA talent. As far as loaded teams go, Miami Heat were pretty loaded as well as the Cavalier's.
The Lakers had Worthy who could have easily have been ranked as the all time greats, but due to the surplus of talent on that Lakers team he was forced to scrivice his numbers for the benefit of the team.. So its logical to suggest that with out Magic him and players like Scott would have picked up the slack, as far as the Heat being loaded, as soon as LeBron left the Heat reverted to being a lottery pick team, even when he was on the squad and he was out the lost just about all of their games... So there goes that argument..
 
so did kyrie have love, smith, shumpert on it b4 lebron came?? nigs act like that whole squad wasn't vamped up for mr lebron arrival..that's a whole new squad kyrie playing with
None of those forementioned players won shit before LeBron... He basically took a lottery team with Love and his underwhelming numbers and won a championship with them... Like I said before, unless you was the 10% or so who said that LeBron had a chance to win it all with this squad, then you have no right to filp flop and say that he had a loaded team with the Cavs and won due to them being so talented..
 
The Lakers had Worthy who could have easily have been ranked as the all time greats, but due to the surplus of talent on that Lakers team he was forced to scrivice his numbers for the benefit of the team.. So its logical to suggest that with out Magic him and players like Scott would have picked up the slack, as far as the Heat being loaded, as soon as LeBron left the Heat reverted to being a lottery pick team, even when he was on the squad and he was out the lost just about all of their games... So there goes that argument..
i guess u overlooked bosh being a deadman walking in the past 2 yrs as maybe another reason why the heat also fell off.. it's funny how people like to overlook some of the obvious things
 
None of those forementioned players won shit before LeBron... He basically took a lottery team with Love and his underwhelming numbers and won a championship with them... Like I said before, unless you was the 10% or so who said that LeBron had a chance to win it all with this squad, then you have no right to filp flop and say that he had a loaded team with the Cavs and won due to them being so talented..
nig there was threads dedicated to the cavs bein the best team b4 the season happened..in fact if the cavs weren't the favorite goin in that season who was the other top teams people thought?? in fact who from the east did people think were goin go to the finals over lebron, love, and kyrie last yr??? i'll wait for your answer
 
nig please..when love and kyrie signed on the dotted line every1 knew cavs were automatic finals team in the east last yr...hell there were mad threads of nigs celebrating how cavs were gonna run threw the league with bron, love and kyrie... mad dudes was saying the best sf and pf with the top 5 pg on the same squad means automatic chip..hell i even made a response in a few of those threads calling lebron a voltron ass nig and said the league keep giving this nig an easy route for a chip..that's why i laughed so much last yr when he failed..nigs wanna get amnesia all of a sudden that love didn't live up to expectations that motherfuckers was crowning them champs last yr b4 the season started..nobody was talking about the warriors b4 the season started last yr..than they shocked the world..nigs act like kyrie and love wasn't doin their thing a yr b4 team voltron 2 formed
Folks thought the Cavs may win initially due to them thinking the Spurs were older and there was no viable opponents to get in the way of the Cavs... But as soon as teams like the Warriors and the Hawks started emerging folks was swearing up and down that the Cavs would fall...
Especially when Love number took a hit from his day from Minnesota .,.
Little did they know that I predicted that his numbers would take a big hit yet it would not matter, this was due to the fact that Love role was no longer a start to carrry the team but now a specialist who had a specific role of opening the lane while grabbing rebounds..
Love played his role while LeBron deviled... At the end of the day the best team, in terms of regular season numbers was defeated by the Cavs despite a 3 to one lead..
Sorry to say no one in the history had a better finals than LeBron and this was with all the pressure, and all of the world looking vs the best regular season team in the history of the NBA...
 
i guess u overlooked bosh being a deadman walking in the past 2 yrs as maybe another reason why the heat also fell off.. it's funny how people like to overlook some of the obvious things
You realize Bosh scored 0 points in one game vs the Heat and Wade scored 0 pints the 2nd half during the close out game vs the Spurs where the Heat won... I wonder how many games Bird won in the finals with that little support...
 
Folks thought the Cavs may win initially due to them thinking the Spurs were older and there was no viable opponents to get in the way of the Cavs... But as soon as teams like the Warriors and the Hawks started emerging folks was swearing up and down that the Cavs would fall...
Especially when Love number took a hit from his day from Minnesota .,.
Little did they know that I predicted that his numbers would take a big hit yet it would not matter, this was due to the fact that Love role was no longer a start to carrry the team but now a specialist who had a specific role of opening the lane while grabbing rebounds..
Love played his role while LeBron deviled... At the end of the day the best team, in terms of regular season numbers was defeated by the Cavs despite a 3 to one lead..
Sorry to say no one in the history had a better finals than LeBron and this was with all the pressure, and all of the world looking vs the best regular season team in the history of the NBA...
once again everybody already predicted the cavs to be finals favorite as soon as love and lebron signed on the dotted line.. nobody in their rite mind picked gsw to go to the finals b4 last season.. lebron lost to the out of nowhere squad last yr and with a lil help beat the out of nowhere squad.. lebron in the finals wasn't a shock these last two yrs and most people predicted a ring or two even b4 he played his first game back on the cavs squad.. he did what he was expected to with a bunch of all stars.. u said lebron had no all stars on his squad like love and kyrie weren't
 
Im sorry but LeBron did everything better than Bird... He is a better scorer, better re-bounder, passes better, had bigger finals, more MVP's, more steals, more blocks, unless you are going to include having less melanin as a major stat, I cannot see anything major that Bird did better than LeBron...
 
once again everybody already predicted the cavs to be finals favorite as soon as love and lebron signed on the dotted line.. nobody in their rite mind picked gsw to go to the finals b4 last season.. lebron lost to the out of nowhere squad last yr and with a lil help beat the out of nowhere squad.. lebron in the finals wasn't a shock these last two yrs and most people predicted a ring or two even b4 he played his first game back on the cavs squad.. he did what he was expected to with a bunch of all stars.. u said lebron had no all stars on his squad like love and kyrie weren't
Stop it and face this fact, no one, not Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Oscar or Bird have ever been bigger underdogs than LeBron and the Cavs when they were down 3 to 1 to what appeared to be the best team in the history of the NBA and win...
Like I said its much easier to win when you are supposed to win than when you are such large underdogs..
If that wasn't the case then Vegas would be broke by now...
 
You realize Bosh scored 0 points in one game vs the Heat and Wade scored 0 pints the 2nd half during the close out game vs the Spurs where the Heat won... I wonder how many games Bird won in the finals with that little support...
finals mvp / scoring champ/multiple allstar, + top 3 pf b4 the voltron collab dosen't seem like a lil help
 
Stop it and face this fact, no one, not Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Oscar or Bird have ever been bigger underdogs than LeBron and the Cavs when they were down 3 to 1 to what appeared to be the best team in the history of the NBA and win...
Like I said its much easier to win when you are supposed to win than when you are such large underdogs..
If that wasn't the case then Vegas would be broke by now...
did the nba start the series at 3-1 or did they both start at zero and zero.. yeah jordan never went to 7 games when he played in the finals are you somehow saying that's a good thing being down 3 to 1??? are you somehow gonna downplay jordan career cause he never allowed his squad to be down 3-1 in the final??
 
did the nba start the series at 3-1 or did they both start at zero and zero.. yeah jordan never went to 7 games when he played in the finals are you somehow saying that's a good thing being down 3 to 1??? are you somehow gonna downplay jordan career cause he never allowed his squad to be down 3-1 in the final??

Prior to Game 5, the Warriors were considered a virtual lock to repeat as champions. The Warriors had -1600 odds, and they were 5.5-point favorites Monday — even after Draymond Green was suspended. Cleveland was a +850 underdog to win the series, but the Game 5 victory cut their title odds by more than half.



If anyone thinks thy have the stuff to shut me up with facts, easy, all you have to do is present the time where any player on their top five won a title after a -1600 odds to win...
Sure Jordan, Magic and Bird won, but mostly as favorites, something that is much easier
When they won, they won when they supposed to have won...
 
finals mvp / scoring champ/multiple allstar, + top 3 pf b4 the voltron collab dosen't seem like a lil help
None of them was any of that when LeBron played with them... By your logic the Knicks should be great with MVP Rose on their team...:rolleyes:
 
Until Allen came on the Heat squad they they was incomplete and flawed, they were very bad re-bounders, very poor perimeter shooting team with no true point...
Everyone here knows I am a big role player guy, and that Heat team had three stars and no role players to do the dirty work.. This is why I said they would fail their first season..
 
The Lakers had Worthy who could have easily have been ranked as the all time greats, but due to the surplus of talent on that Lakers team he was forced to scrivice his numbers for the benefit of the team.. So its logical to suggest that with out Magic him and players like Scott would have picked up the slack, as far as the Heat being loaded, as soon as LeBron left the Heat reverted to being a lottery pick team, even when he was on the squad and he was out the lost just about all of their games... So there goes that argument..

That 'lottery team' won their division and made the playoffs this year. With the same players LeBron played with. And your Lakers comment is like saying take Jordan off the Bulls and they would have won championships with Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant picking up the slack. Or Bird off the Celtics and McHale and Dennis Johnson pick up the slack. No team, much less 2 players, can pick up the slack when a legend is removed.
 
Anyways it makes no sens arguing with people who, in their minds that if LeBron were to win the next championships and MVP's as well as scoring, rebounding and assist titles, he still wouldn't crack top five..
To that, they are basically informing the world that their hatred for him transcends any stats or accomplishes he can have on the court.. And is basically announcing to the world that their credibility is blinded and tainted with hate...
This is basically what you say when you broadcast to the world that no matter what LeBron will never crack the to five or even co-sign to that bullshit..
Imagine white people testing you and telling you no matter what you score you will never be considered intelligent...
Ouch I went there, but this shit is exactly like that!!!
 
That 'lottery team' won their division and made the playoffs this year. With the same players LeBron played with. And your Lakers comment is like saying take Jordan off the Bulls and they would have won championships with Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant picking up the slack. Or Bird off the Celtics and McHale and Dennis Johnson pick up the slack. No team, much less 2 players, can pick up the slack when a legend is removed.
Well the Bulls was with in a few points of going to the finals with out Jordan, while the Heat flopped into lottery land with out LeBron.... Soooooooooo,,,,,,,
 
None of them was any of that when LeBron played with them... By your logic the Knicks should be great with MVP Rose on their team...:rolleyes:
they were allstars the yr b4 they played..rose didn't win mvp last yr he won yrs ago..if somehow curry has a shitty season next yr nobody gonna say green picked up the slack cause he had no allstars or mvp's on his team..see by my logic what u did last yr comin into this yr matters..nobody looked at golden state as juss some random cali team this yr they looked at them as defending champs.. u kno this u juss can't ever admit ur wrong so u try to use ur logic and push it onto others.. love was a top pf comin into that season when he signed so was kyrie
 
Wow I am simply amazed at how Road Rage has the audacity to now post. When the Cavs were down he ran and did not post in the playoffs thread or anything related to the NBA.

Dude then lies and says he was busy but was on BGOL lurking everyday viewing threads. Now he is on this I predicted this outcome. If so, where was he win they were down 3-1? This nigga was missing ever since game one. Damn near the entire bgol fam said if the CAVS came back and won Road Rage will appear. Nigga is a lame
 
Im sorry but all those who said that there was no way the Warriors would lose to the Cavs should be excluded from this conversation, only because bitter people can often say irrational things....

And this is where tallblackchi Jordan dickrider #1 fits in the convo. You can actually see him predicting the Warriors 2nd chip off Bron in the Phil Jackson thread. "Bron bout to be 2 for 7, everyone gets rings off him blah blah"

You can also see him proclaim those Heat teams as Voltron and that Bron couldnt win again without Wade, Bosh, and 38 year old Ray Allen :roflmao:

Ask him if Voltron is better than any of MJs Bulls teams and he'll tell you no. :yes:

Now he says the Warriors aint shit and the Cavs are Voltron and a lock to win it. :rolleyes:

I lifted his skirt up and BGOL now sees how asinine he is when it comes to bball. And how much he wants to fuck Michael Jordan NYC back alley style. :yes:

Just because Bird stayed whooping Jordans ass in the playoffs dont make him better than Bron.
 
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Damn man one Kyrie shot has changed the minds of so many NBA fans.

And a few by Paxson and Kerr didnt? :rolleyes:



I wish MJ were as good as Bron is now. Bulls wouldve went to more than just 6 Finals. Kareem saw 10, Russell saw 12, Magic saw 9. Far more impressive.
 
So...wait....aren't you one of those,"LeBron had it easy because he plays in the east" niggas?

No he's the "Oakland loves LeBron cuz they bout to get another ring off him" guy. Now he says they aint shit. Largebills I hope you see the tallblacks of BGOL who hopped on yalls wagon when they thought you winning would save Jordans legacy. Now throw yall under the bus when you lost.

Go in the Phil Jackson thread, read the first 5 or 6 pages. Dude had the Warriors winning as a lock. And Bron wouldnt win anymore rings. :roflmao2:
 
And this is where tallblackchi Jordan dickrider #1 fits in the convo. You can actually see him predicting the Warriors 2nd chip off Bron in the Phil Jackson thread. "Bron bout to be 2 for 7, everyone gets rings off him blah blah"

You can also see him proclaim those Heat teams as Voltron and that Bron couldnt win again without Wade, Bosh, and 38 year old Ray Allen :roflmao:

Ask him if Voltron is better than any of MJs Bulls teams and he'll tell you no. :yes:

Now he says the Warriors aint shit and the Cavs are Voltron and a lock to win it. :rolleyes:

I lifted his skirt up and BGOL now sees how asinine he is when it comes to bball. And how much he wants to fuck Michael Jordan NYC back alley style. :yes:

Just because Bird stayed whooping Jordans ass in the playoffs dont make him better than Bron.
juss like lebrons favorite fluffer u wipe the nut off your eye when u wake up and talk shit whenever knows ur a fag..i already exposed u for having over 13,000 post dedicated to lebron..i already exposed u for having 10 pages straight of post talking about lebron..u gave a petname to a nig the ultimate fag stamp.. i've already said put an * on this chip for the momentum shift of the nino brown moment by ur boyfriend lesnitch.. if u can remove lebron scrotum from ur eyes i clearly said gsw was a team nobody thought or knew had a championship squad 2 yrs ago b4 the season started which was true..nobody said a gsw gonna win the chip this yr 2yrs ago but there was hella threads saying lebron gonna run the east once he and love signed with the cavs..in fact people use to post the pic of lebron with mad people behind him saying the bandwagon will follow you whereever you go.. u was heartbroken when lebron swallowed his pride and kiss the ass that told him to fuck off after he left..the runaway came back to make the master rich again..everybody knew they was a shoe in for the east cause who else was there once lebron left his other voltron squad..i never said the warriors weren't shit u said that i said where the fuck did this bandwagon come from which is true nobody outside of cali was screaming these nigs or steph..i also said outside their record season this isn't the best squad to ever walk the nba floor..kevin love was consider the best pf in the nba there was shitloads of threads ya made proclaiming this kyrie was consider top 5 pg ya made threads claiming this.. when the best pf, sf, and top 5 pg came together ya said they had the east in the bag..juss cause i don't switch side on my comments like many others do on this board don't mean i forget what ya nigs say one day and than switch up the next..remember u was a cavs fan than a heat fan now ur a cav fan switch siding ass nig i keep it loyal bulls forever..i don't hop on bandwagons and switch new caps like some of ya do..when nigs was talking is curry the best ever after two seasons i said this nig need at least another 7 yrs of consistant play to even be considerd that..u had other nigs giving him goat status, greatness status, and now that he fucked up switch siding laughing at him calling him a choke artist..hell i'm the 1 that said what if he get injured or stop lighting it up b4 the finals and nigs was talking wild shit to me where them switch siders at now straight crickets.. when it's all said and done u still teary eye cause i said jordan was better than your mancrush..i said it b4 and i'm still saying it bitch
 
No he's the "Oakland loves LeBron cuz they bout to get another ring off him" guy. Now he says they aint shit. Largebills I hope you see the tallblacks of BGOL who hopped on yalls wagon when they thought you winning would save Jordans legacy. Now throw yall under the bus when you lost.

Go in the Phil Jackson thread, read the first 5 or 6 pages. Dude had the Warriors winning as a lock. And Bron wouldnt win anymore rings. :roflmao2:
and everybody remember how u had wilt, cam, as ur avatar than when lebron won u all of a sudden put his pic in ur avatar switch siding ass bitch.. u claim u was a heat fan but yet crickets on their season and u speaking up and cheering way more for the cavs than actual cavs fan.. oh i forgot u a switchsider u prob a cav fan now..u also the same nig that was like hey chips don't mean greatness and his stats were better than jordans ..now lebron won and chips mean something to u again lol.. same nig saying lebron had better stats than it is what it is shut u down by showing mj had majority stats better than ur boy in the playoffs..i said b4 i prefered if okc won it..hell i was talking shit when they was up on gsw 3-1..unfortunately they lost that series.. i also said it didn't matter who came out the west as long as lebron lost i'd be happy..unfortunately bron show he got juice with upper management and had nigs get denied playing games in order to win.. more reason to dislike ur boy
 
I was expecting Charles' usual tom coonery...but this statement isnt bad at all.

Its just his opinion and takes nothing away fron LJ.

Still sounds like a grumpy old man though.
 
And a few by Paxson and Kerr didnt? :rolleyes:



I wish MJ were as good as Bron is now. Bulls wouldve went to more than just 6 Finals. Kareem saw 10, Russell saw 12, Magic saw 9. Far more impressive.

jordan .taking mini breaks and still got more chips, finals mvp, scoring titles, and mvps than ur boy..imagine if jordan started at 18 never took breaks off how many more scoring titles, mvp's, defensive of the yr players, chips he would've had..imagine if jordan would've called chuck and mailman within his first few yrs and said lets form like voltron to win rings.. jordan juss had to win chips with apeople like will perdue, scott williams, stacey king as his supporting cast..jordan mite have broke the celtic record of 8 if he didn't take mini breaks or had pride and leave a 2nd time when he didn't get along with a cac name jerry krause..u kno he didn't kiss his ass like lebron did with the owner of the cavs that shitted on his life..damn jordan u should've took a page out of lebron book and sat at a press conference and say hey stern can u remove mchale or bird out a game for me so that i can win pleaseeeeeeeeee
 
Damn son. Indent that shit. :smh:

Mofo failed english in grade school. :smh:

I thought Bron wasnt winnin no more "invisible" rings? :giggle:
you said lebron gonna have more rings than jordan when it's all said and done:popcorn::popcorn:lets see how that prediction go.. i was wrong about him winning another ring cause i never knew he had executive power like he did by having teams get short staff
 
Not only that but hes at the disadvantage coming in that early fresh out of high school coaching, training, conditioning, scheduling... Painting him coming from fucking high school as some sort of advantage over men coached in a structured high level collegiate program is fucking retarded!!!!!:lol:
For real

I never even thought about it like that
From high school to pro player, coach , and gm
 
LeBron in this Finals made Jordan Finals performances look pedestrian. Coon was just a scorer.
like that 42 point 12 reb 9 assist game he had..those stats def sound like he juss a scorer..but what has ur boy lebron led the league in besides that 1 scoring title?? any reb titles, assist titles, steals, blocks, any defensive awards??? please tell me how god allah brown did so much but yet led the league in nothing..not even 1 yr getting a double/double per game..come on lebron juss show us haters what more can u do than get 1 scoring title
 
LeBron in this Finals made Jordan Finals performances look pedestrian. Coon was just a scorer.
Never thought I would do anything but laugh at a statement like this.
But you might be right.
Dr. J was my favorite player to watch
Then Magic
Then Jordan
Love Steph as well
I thought Kobe was excellent till the Snitch , The Refuse, The Trade, and basically taking the Lakers into the toilet
LeBron is doing shit that I've never seen one player do on both ends of the floor.
 
LeBron in this Finals made Jordan Finals performances look pedestrian. Coon was just a scorer.
like that 42 point 12 reb 9 assist game he had..those stats def sound like he juss a scorer..but what has ur boy lebron led the league in besides that 1 scoring title?? any reb titles, assist titles, steals, blocks, any defensive awards??? please tell me how god allah bron did so much but yet led the league in nothing..not even 1 yr getting a double/double per game..come on lebron juss show us haters what more can u do than get 1 scoring title
 
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lebron is an athletic freak i've always said that..i've said he's a very talented kid... juss not the top 5 or in that same breath.. i've said what fucks up his legacy is his bitch like antics.. the acting, the team voltron shit, him acting like a cry baby, and now that nino brown ratting nigs out on the stand shit.. if he never did all that bitch shit i'd prob give him more props but his bitch shit over exceeds that..than it dosen't help to be consider great and yet having underachievers outplay you

Oh where do I start with all this hoe shit. I feel a rant coming on after I take care of some business this morning but as far as "rattin nigs out". Everyone who watched the playoffs/finals know that Green has a track record of doing some fuck boi shit. Kicking adams in the balls, that DDT where the nigga turn around and act like HE WAS THE ONE HURT, and him kicking Kanter, he went unpunished through all that shit. He has a track record so you really don't think he was a short leash anyway? So do you think Curry is a bitch for throwing his mouth piece and HITTING A PATRON??? Wasn't Haslem suspended 2 games for the exact same thing??? He got off BECAUSE he's the MVP. I hate Bron's flopping too but he knows deep down the NBA has been on some hoe shit so why not play along. Who's bandwagon did you jump on this off season nigga?
 
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