The consistence is the interesting part to me.
CBO reports something that speaks positively of an Obama initiative, they ignore it.
It reports something they can use against an Obama initiative, the run with it, even they have to distort it.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
CBO has good Obamacare news: media doesnt care
- Thread starter Upgrade Dave
- Start date
The consistence is the interesting part to me.
CBO reports something that speaks positively of an Obama initiative, they ignore it.
It reports something they can use against an Obama initiative, the run with it, even they have to distort it.
I know I did, it's my thread.
It's not just an "Obamacare" thread, it's a CBO thread.
CBO posts good news on Obamacare and it gets very little media play and most of that is wrong.
Now they have a report showing the consequences of raising the minimum wage and the media take off with the negative and underreport the positive.
Do you not admit that your perception is dominated by your support of the conclusion, just like everyone else that cares about these reports?The consistence is the interesting part to me.
CBO reports something that speaks positively of an Obama initiative, they ignore it.
It reports something they can use against an Obama initiative, the run with it, even they have to distort it.
As far as my perception regarding these reports (as someone that doesn't care), the Obamacare report stayed in the news cycle about a week longer than the minimum wage report. And the Obamacare week was focused on the Republican interpretation of the report being bad. The minimum wage report stop being front page news after less than 2 days. Mostly because no one cared since it affects so few people compared to Obamacare.
All of you are shifting back to position that people are somehow unaware how great Obamacare is, and that's why they THINK it's hurting them in real life.
Do you not admit that your perception is dominated by your support of the conclusion, just like everyone else that cares about these reports?
As far as my perception regarding these reports (as someone that doesn't care), the Obamacare report stayed in the news cycle about a week longer than the minimum wage report. And the Obamacare week was focused on the Republican interpretation of the report being bad. The minimum wage report stop being front page news after less than 2 days. Mostly because no one cared since it affects so few people compared to Obamacare.
All of you are shifting back to position that people are somehow unaware how great Obamacare is, and that's why they THINK it's hurting them in real life.
You simultaneously bore and irritate me so badly with tripe like this. I've stated my position. I'm sure there are people who are not better off under Obamacare, I'm positive of it. But it's better than the previous system and when someone shows a way to get more people covered that has no losers, I'll be for that too.
I'm for Medicare for all (and the tax increases that come with it) but since that's not going to happen, I'll take this, especially given how flexible the Obama Administration has been with improving it and letting states craft their own system as long as they cover the same number of people.
You can comprehend that some people are left worse from this government program, but not all government programs. Is Obamacare unique? All the random decrees you support leaves millions worse off.You simultaneously bore and irritate me so badly with tripe like this. I've stated my position. I'm sure there are people who are not better off under Obamacare, I'm positive of it. But it's better than the previous system and when someone shows a way to get more people covered that has no losers, I'll be for that too.
I'm for Medicare for all (and the tax increases that come with it) but since that's not going to happen, I'll take this, especially given how flexible the Obama Administration has been with improving it and letting states craft their own system as long as they cover the same number of people.
It shows a real disconnect that you think ACA is better than the previous system, while I see it as a tripling down of the old broken system. Shifts cost not reduce, less choice, reinforces a middle-man to the consumers facing actual prices, and even decided to up the ante by making it mandatory you participate in a broken system.
There will never be a working system you support because the solution is to let people choose their own level of coverage, and the government existing to protect that agreement.
You can comprehend that some people are left worse from this government program, but not all government programs. Is Obamacare unique? All the random decrees you support leaves millions worse off.
It shows a real disconnect that you think ACA is better than the previous system, while I see it as a tripling down of the old broken system. Shifts cost not reduce, less choice, reinforces a middle-man to the consumers facing actual prices, and even decided to up the ante by making it mandatory you participate in a broken system.
There will never be a working system you support because the solution is to let people choose their own level of coverage, and the government existing to protect that agreement.
Show me one where everyone gains and I'm all in.
Its clearly better than the previous system, no one intelligently shows how it isn't.
If you can, I'm listening.
Dave, I'm sure everyone on the Daily Kos and MSNBC would agree with you, except for the one complaining that they lost coverage.Show me one where everyone gains and I'm all in.
Its clearly better than the previous system, no one intelligently shows how it isn't.
If you can, I'm listening.
The millions of people who Obama cites as website successes are mostly there because their old policies got canceled. Obamacare broke those people's leg by canceling their policies, then fixed it with new coverage. To you that's a success and an improvement on the old system, no matter how much those people wanted to keep their old coverage. Then the bunch of you promote that the old policy wasn't good anyway or wasn't going to be honored by the insurance company. First, it's a horrible feeling for Democrats to leave it to the person in question to say what's good enough for them. Second, you didn't have to cancel the policies, people wanted, to enforce it's provisions.
People are telling you where they would've gained. In the policies they had and was satisfied with. You just keep ignoring that because you obviously know what's best for them.
Dave, I'm sure everyone on the Daily Kos and MSNBC would agree with you, except for the one complaining that they lost coverage.
The millions of people who Obama cites as website successes are mostly there because their old policies got canceled. Obamacare broke those people's leg by canceling their policies, then fixed it with new coverage. To you that's a success and an improvement on the old system, no matter how much those people wanted to keep their old coverage. Then the bunch of you promote that the old policy wasn't good anyway or wasn't going to be honored by the insurance company. First, it's a horrible feeling for Democrats to leave it to the person in question to say what's good enough for them. Second, you didn't have to cancel the policies, people wanted, to enforce it's provisions.
People are telling you where they would've gained. In the policies they had and was satisfied with. You just keep ignoring that because you obviously know what's best for them.
Obamacare doesn't cancel policies unless they're basically fraudulent policies with high deductibles and almost non existent payouts (a fact, not an opinion). Any kind of reform would have included those policies if it was to be effective.
That's no different that the various measures we have in effect that keep Toyota from selling us cars with bad braking systems. I'm sure you could get one of those cars cheaper than one with a fully functional braking system but they aren't safe.
It seems that it's become trendy for the anti-Obamacare crowd to completely forget how badly broken the previous system was and/or offer no viable alternatives just non-constructive criticism about what is really still less than half of the actual ACA.
Again, I'm a Medicare for all guy but I've yet to see someone offer a better alternative to (the ever evolving) Obamacare/ACA.
Give me one where everyone gains and I'm for it. I keep saying that and yet no example is offered.