Capitalism & Covid-19

[mcguyver]

We're in a thread debating socialism and you mentioned relocating not always being about poverty/death, so I asked you a simple question about relocating due to economic systems.

The thread title nor the first post of the thread (OP's post) mentioned socialism vs capitalism. It pointed out China's ability to produce in a fraction of the time it takes to produce key things for the fight against COVID-19. I saw it as OP "shining the flashlight on one of capitalism's flaws". Nowhere did I see socialism was better and none of my comments indicated that. You took my first post and ran with it.

 

[hardawayz16]

The thread title nor the first post of the thread (OP's post) mentioned socialism vs capitalism. It pointed out China's ability to produce in a fraction of the time it takes to produce key things for the fight against COVID-19. I saw it as OP "shining the flashlight on one of capitalism's flaws". Nowhere did I see socialism was better and none of my comments indicated that. You took my first post and ran with it.

Our back and forth is when you said people will complain about every economic system. I said yes, but some go past complaining and make moves.

You then said: "There are and have been plenty of people relocating to other countries."

Then I asked you that question about relocating based on economies.

I never accused you of claiming socialism is better.

 

[bromack1]

Right on, write on, bro!!

Capitalism is great if your own one of these huge corporation and you know USA Inc is fighting to make sure all corporation are taken care of!!

No....Capitalism is not the end all be all. Its only proven itself to be a thousand times better than the alternatives

 

[blackpepper]

I gave you the congressional act that passed. did you want a full dissertation?

there is no such thing as the the Illuminati and I’m speaking specifically on THIS land where I am a citizen. I’m not a globalist and sovereign nations, huh. Please list them out, blackamoor.

Mr haha, I asked you a couple simple questions in all sincerity. You refuse to answer them, then turn around and ask me something. How about everyone just read all of The Federalist Papers. That will explain everything, right.

 

[babygwirl18]

Not sure that I understand this post.

The reason why we can’t build that stuff as quickly is because the US government puts limitations on capitalism, like safety regulations, minimum wage and maximum worker hours, and pollution restrictions. These are all good things but very non-capitalistic (socialist) measures.

China can do all that because their government allows companies to whatever the fuck they want to do.

So in your example, China is the capitalist nation and America is the socialist one.

 

[roots69]

No....Capitalism is not the end all be all. Its only proven itself to be a thousand times better than the alternatives

Yes it's a 1000X better for the corporations!! Corporations are what benefits from capitalism!! If you think USA Inc is for or about the people?? It's not, if you think it is. That's on you!!

 

[bromack1]

Yes it's a 1000X better for the corporations!! Corporations are what benefits from capitalism!! If you think USA Inc is for or about the people?? It's not, if you think it is. That's on you!!

Well, socialism is like saying, lets all be "poor" together. Socialism marginalizes the over achievers by making them the same as underachievers. Someone mentioned earlier, socialism is like playing a football game and at the conclusion of the game, everyone gets a participation trophy.
Again, I'm not saying capitalism by any stretch of the imagination is the "perfect" system. But "collectivism" has always failed in favor of individual economic freedom.

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

That's a very MAGA/CAC response..... "If you don't like blah, blah, blah than leave the country".

Why are people posting examples of communist societies to bash socialism?

Forcesteeler and Hardawayz come into every thread about capitalism or about socialism in full Sean Hannity mode, reciting the exact same talking points every time. I don't pay them any attention. It's always "Why don't you move to North Korea? Why are only the (white imperialist) capitalist nations successful?" They are not interested in a real conversation.

 

[forcesteeler]

Forcesteeler and Hardawayz come into every thread about capitalism or about socialism in full Sean Hannity mode, reciting the exact same talking points every time. I don't pay them any attention.

lol well good luck moving to Socialist Cuba. I hope you enjoy government rations.

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

lol well good luck moving to Socialist Cuba. I hope you enjoy government rations.

30 million Americans didn't have health care pre-corona. Who knows how many more now. That's rationing, it just isn't called that because rich white people are comfortable with that kind of rationing.

But I'm not responding to you beyond this, it's pointless. You just repeat the same bullshit over and over, it's not intelligent or worth my time.

 

[forcesteeler]

30 million Americans didn't have health care pre-corona. Who knows how many more now. That's rationing, it just isn't called that because rich white people are comfortable with that kind of rationing.

But I'm not responding to you beyond this, it's pointless. You just repeat the same bullshit over and over, it's not intelligent or worth my time.

I’m not saying American health care system is perfect but don’t act like government run Heath care is any better. The U.K. and Canada you have to deal with waiting in a Queue for certain medical treatment and they only have a population of 32 million people.

In the United States they are over 330 million people. That’s almost 30-40 trillion dollars.

The only way you can cover that many people is to do like Cuba and pay doctors $15 dollar per hour. Doctors will have to take a pay cut and treatment and drugs will have to take a huge cut.

Americans are too greedy. Doctors and Drug companies want huge salaries and if the United States where you pay health cost rates like they are now we will go broke.

 

[Man_Of_STeeL]

man...i remember seein' a video of how fast China was buildin' brand new hospitals..for the pandemic...

it looked like the video was time-lapse...they were buildin' it so fast..

 

[hardawayz16]

Forcesteeler and Hardawayz come into every thread about capitalism or about socialism in full Sean Hannity mode, reciting the exact same talking points every time. I don't pay them any attention. It's always "Why don't you move to North Korea? Why are only the (white imperialist) capitalist nations successful?" They are not interested in a real conversation.

"Are you re-thinking it at all?" isn't a real conversation.

It's typical of socialist to not pay attention to history and facts. I get it.

 

[BKF]

Anyone who isn't living with just the bear basics needs should not be pushing or even talking about socialism.

 

[DJCandle]

I’m not saying American health care system is perfect but don’t act like government run Heath care is any better. The U.K. and Canada you have to deal with waiting in a Queue for certain medical treatment and they only have a population of 32 million people.

Last time I was back in the UK, wifey forgot her Xanax cause she has a fear of flying. We popped into the neighborhood pharmacy, and they referred us to a doctor's office, after a few questions, were able to replace her prescription she lost. No insurance calls, no fuss.

When I was a kid, I also broke my pinky finger during a family trip to Alberta. This was way back in the 90's but even then, no cost associated for being sewn up and casted. The only cost that there would have been are for any pain killers, which I didn't even get.

Have you personally been to the UK or Canada and experienced healthcare with your own eyes? Because what you're claiming here is a conservative myth that bears very little weight and is FAR from the actual truth.

The only way you can cover that many people is to do like Cuba and pay doctors $15 dollar per hour. Doctors will have to take a pay cut and treatment and drugs will have to take a huge cut.

Americans are too greedy. Doctors and Drug companies want huge salaries and if the United States where you pay health cost rates like they are now we will go broke.

I can't tell if you're answering your own question here, but when an Epipen starts off at $50 and is raised to $600 at a 400x markup, there's a problem. What's the cogent solution to this? Someone accidentally eats a peanut and then has to choose between going into anaphalytic shock or shell out $600 they don't have?

There's nothing fair about having to make this choice, all in the name of capitalism.

Capitalism, in small tangents, can work and quite successfully, but the way it's currently setup in these United States is absolute fuckery and needs a restructure of the highest order.

 

[roots69]

Last time I was back in the UK, wifey forgot her Xanax cause she has a fear of flying. We popped into the neighborhood pharmacy, and they referred us to a doctor's office, after a few questions, were able to replace her prescription she lost. No insurance calls, no fuss.

When I was a kid, I also broke my pinky finger during a family trip to Alberta. This was way back in the 90's but even then, no cost associated for being sewn up and casted. The only cost that there would have been are for any pain killers, which I didn't even get.

Have you personally been to the UK or Canada and experienced healthcare with your own eyes? Because what you're claiming here is a conservative myth that bears very little weight and is FAR from the actual truth.



I can't tell if you're answering your own question here, but when an Epipen starts off at $50 and is raised to $600 at a 400x markup, there's a problem. What's the cogent solution to this? Someone accidentally eats a peanut and then has to choose between going into anaphalytic shock or shell out $600 they don't have?

There's nothing fair about having to make this choice, all in the name of capitalism.

Capitalism, in small tangents, can work and quite successfully, but the way it's currently setup in these United States is absolute fuckery and needs a restructure of the highest order.

Brotha, your right on about capitalism in this colony!! To be honest with you, copper color people were not allowed to get in on the capitalism gravy train after WW2 and into the 50s.. And that shit was all by design!! I just SMH when I hear Kat's talk about capitalism as if they or our people are benefiting from the money train!! But they have engineered/programmed our people to consume and spend!! But we don't wanna touch on all the social engineering bullshit they have pulled on us in the name of capitalism!! Anyway, good azz reply bruh!!

 

[Mello Mello]

The problem is GREED. Period!

U.S. capitalism just makes it easier to enable the greedy.

 

[bromack1]

Right on, write on, bro!!

Capitalism is great if your own one of these huge corporation and you know USA Inc is fighting to make sure all corporation are taken care of!!

According the point you're making, the answer is simple, own a corporation and you'll get the same benefits. Playing the "we vs them" game is just a political ploy. Thats all it is.

 

[bromack1]

Brotha, your right on about capitalism in this colony!! To be honest with you, copper color people were not allowed to get in on the capitalism gravy train after WW2 and into the 50s.. And that shit was all by design!! I just SMH when I hear Kat's talk about capitalism as if they or our people are benefiting from the money train!! But they have engineered/programmed our people to consume and spend!! But we don't wanna touch on all the social engineering bullshit they have pulled on us in the name of capitalism!! Anyway, good azz reply bruh!!

There is a growing population of black folk who own large companies. Yes, capitalism "decentralizes" government down to the level of corporations. If I'm not mistaken, socialism as its being practiced and not communism, is what these other countries are doing. Under the basic format corporations operate the same in the socialist states as they do here, whats different is the socialist countries impose higher taxes on their corporations while the United States does not. In its most extreme form, marxism controls all means of production and services. In free markets, its up to the business community to determine its own fate.

 

[DJCandle]

Brotha, your right on about capitalism in this colony!! To be honest with you, copper color people were not allowed to get in on the capitalism gravy train after WW2 and into the 50s.. And that shit was all by design!! I just SMH when I hear Kat's talk about capitalism as if they or our people are benefiting from the money train!! But they have engineered/programmed our people to consume and spend!! But we don't wanna touch on all the social engineering bullshit they have pulled on us in the name of capitalism!! Anyway, good azz reply bruh!!

There’s a reason why Dame Dash’s business associates call us “liquid money...”

In comparison to our counterparts, we throw money away at alarming rates, all for a piece of the American dream. That same dream that turned out to be a nightmare for all of us, but I digress.

That’s a different story for another day.

End of the day, they’ll give black folks crumbs before ever tasting the cake and ensure that it stays that way. And I can confidently say that cause I happen to live next to one of the most affluent black counties in the country, P.G. County MD.

Even those with finance around here know it’s peanuts compared to what those who write their checks are delving out. That’s just the reality of the situation, and it’s all fueled by this extremist version of this capitalism that people in this country, and most of the western world, are enamored with.

 

[roots69]

There’s a reason why Dame Dash’s business associates call us “liquid money...”

In comparison to our counterparts, we throw money away at alarming rates, all for a piece of the American dream. That same dream that turned out to be a nightmare for all of us, but I digress.

That’s a different story for another day.

End of the day, they’ll give black folks crumbs before ever tasting the cake and ensure that it stays that way. And I can confidently say that cause I happen to live next to one of the most affluent black counties in the country, P.G. County MD.

Even those with finance around here know it’s peanuts compared to what those who write their checks are delving out. That’s just the reality of the situation, and it’s all fueled by this extremist version of this capitalism that people in this country, and most of the western world, are enamored with.

I'll come back in the morning and add to your reply.. I wanna add onto that american dream..

 

[darth frosty]

 

[slewdem100]

People bash Capitalism but I don't see anybody trying to make movies and live in a socialist country.

Here is a Map of North Korea and South Korea.

The reason why they are split is because of a War in the 1950's. Russia and The USA split the lines via the Cold War.

After the War. The North Koreans Listen to the Russians about Socialism/Communism Government Run System

The South Koreans listen to the United States about running a Capitalist run government.

Make a long story short. South Korea is the 11th Richest Country on Earth. While North Korea is 110th.

The whole Socialist argument of let the government run everything is bullshit. Giving too much power to the government creates corruption and most countries turn into dictatorships. You ever wonder why countries like North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela all have dictatorships?

Venezuela is not a dictatorship.

 

[roots69]

There’s a reason why Dame Dash’s business associates call us “liquid money...”

In comparison to our counterparts, we throw money away at alarming rates, all for a piece of the American dream. That same dream that turned out to be a nightmare for all of us, but I digress.

That’s a different story for another day.

End of the day, they’ll give black folks crumbs before ever tasting the cake and ensure that it stays that way. And I can confidently say that cause I happen to live next to one of the most affluent black counties in the country, P.G. County MD.

Even those with finance around here know it’s peanuts compared to what those who write their checks are delving out. That’s just the reality of the situation, and it’s all fueled by this extremist version of this capitalism that people in this country, and most of the western world, are enamored with.

Brotha, your spot on about sum of us that bought into the american dream(aka nightmare)!!! I bought into that bullshit right after my 13yrs spent in those indoctrination centers!!The american dream is a huge scam, run on our people!! Our people down in Tulsa OK had laid down the perfect plan for every copper color person in this colony!! Anyway, one of the most important way to get our people to snap outta the dream!! Turn off that damn television!!

 

[DJCandle]

Brotha, your spot on about sum of us that bought into the american dream(aka nightmare)!!! I bought into that bullshit right after my 13yrs spent in those indoctrination centers!!The american dream is a huge scam, run on our people!! Our people down in Tulsa OK had laid down the perfect plan for every copper color person in this colony!! Anyway, one of the most important way to get our people to snap outta the dream!! Turn off that damn television!!

Glad you were able to shake off the noise that are these United States. America is one big ass marketing scheme that people consider ACTUAL life and that's the scariest bit. They spend billions upon billions (the TV you mentioned, social media, advertising, etc..) to keep us inside this insular bubble by preaching, "we're #1, capitalism is king, we're the best, everyone else sucks..." blah blah blah... and the worst part is that people truly, in their heart of hearts believe that this is real life and don't give enough of a fuck to try and change it. They're actually quite comfortable with their conditioning and eventually grow up to defend it at all costs, which is why you'll always get opposition when someone says anything contrary to what is.

One of the most personally contentious rap lyrics I've always had "unsettling" feelings with was when Jay-Z said:

"You can blame Shawn but I aint invent the game
I just rolled the dice, tryna get some change..."

Now, I understand where he's coming from 100%, and you can interpret that 12 different ways, but I always took it as if Hov wasn't JUST talking about the streets, but this life itself.

As if to suggest that this capitalist world (the game) we were indoctrinated in, we didn't choose or invent, which he's right, we didn't. We just get up and go to work (aka roll the dice and do as were told) to get this change. It's always stuck with me and is always followed by, "can we do better than this dice game called capitalism?"

I digress.

All that being said, this world were indoctrinated into from birth, is this it? Is there more to life than blindly chasing this money that a white man created? I've always felt like there was but you'll learn quickly that most people cannot tell you the difference. People will effortlessly regurgitate media talking points, thinking they're truly saying something original, when it's just recycled jargon. At times it's comical to watch.

As previously stated, they grow up thinking this is life and defend it because it's all they know. The hardest part is shaking them out of that train of thought and introducing them to something new and potentially better for everyone, including themselves, cause again, once all this wrapped up, and looking at this country and the status quo, this dice game and the way its being played ...

It aint it.

 

[scullydog]

Bec

Why are people posting examples of communist societies to bash socialism?
[/QU
because they don't know what they are talking about.

 

[scullydog]

Socialism, the control of a countries natural resources and major industries. Communism, the control of a countries natural resource, minor and major industries, plus its social institutions.
Capitalism, lasse faire, let them do what they do.
Ain't nothing wrong with socialism, most of your western countries are run by it, and they do very well. Capitalism is fucked up. It is based on greed. And the greed always goes to the top 1%. If wealth was redistributed fairly, then it would be a decent system. It would not be great because it goes against human nature. Or, it brings the worst of human nature out of people. That is our fucking problem now. We don't give a shit about the next man and you weren't put here to not worry about someone other than yourself. It is your job to be your brothers keeper. If we gave everybody a fair shake then everybody would pull their own weight. Communist Russia, they wanted to control how people thought, and did shit. Its about control. Communist China, same thing. They had to change it up a bit. They had to open up. Realize we do not have a complete capitalist system. It is more of a oligarchy that blends capitalism with a little socialism. Most governments on the planet are oligarchies. Some successful socialistic countries are:

• Armenia
• Bolivia
• Brazil
• Croatia
• Denmark
• Ecuador
• Finland
• France
• Germany
• Greenland
• Iceland
• Italy
• Luxembourg
• Moldova
• Netherlands
• Nicaragua
• Norway
• Peru
• Portugal
• Serbia
• Slovenia
• Sweden
• Tunisia
• Turkey
• UK
• Venezuela

Look at your history. This country almost had a revolution during the depression because the wealthy weren't redistributing the wealth.

 

[roots69]

Glad you were able to shake off the noise that are these United States. America is one big ass marketing scheme that people consider ACTUAL life and that's the scariest bit. They spend billions upon billions (the TV you mentioned, social media, advertising, etc..) to keep us inside this insular bubble by preaching, "we're #1, capitalism is king, we're the best, everyone else sucks..." blah blah blah... and the worst part is that people truly, in their heart of hearts believe that this is real life and don't give enough of a fuck to try and change it. They're actually quite comfortable with their conditioning and eventually grow up to defend it at all costs, which is why you'll always get opposition when someone says anything contrary to what is.

One of the most personally contentious rap lyrics I've always had "unsettling" feelings with was when Jay-Z said:

"You can blame Shawn but I aint invent the game
I just rolled the dice, tryna get some change..."

Now, I understand where he's coming from 100%, and you can interpret that 12 different ways, but I always took it as if Hov wasn't JUST talking about the streets, but this life itself.

As if to suggest that this capitalist world (the game) we were indoctrinated in, we didn't choose or invent, which he's right, we didn't. We just get up and go to work (aka roll the dice and do as were told) to get this change. It's always stuck with me and is always followed by, "can we do better than this dice game called capitalism?"

I digress.

All that being said, this world were indoctrinated into from birth, is this it? Is there more to life than blindly chasing this money that a white man created? I've always felt like there was but you'll learn quickly that most people cannot tell you the difference. People will effortlessly regurgitate media talking points, thinking they're truly saying something original, when it's just recycled jargon. At times it's comical to watch.

As previously stated, they grow up thinking this is life and defend it because it's all they know. The hardest part is shaking them out of that train of thought and introducing them to something new and potentially better for everyone, including themselves, cause again, once all this wrapped up, and looking at this country and the status quo, this dice game and the way its being played ...

It aint it.

Well said bro!! Ain't many of us out here that see this country, colony, corporation, government for what it is!! And bumping into them is damn near impossible!! I'm just glad I'm not the only person that see this deception being played out!!

 

[mangobob79]

Last time I was back in the UK, wifey forgot her Xanax cause she has a fear of flying. We popped into the neighborhood pharmacy, and they referred us to a doctor's office, after a few questions, were able to replace her prescription she lost. No insurance calls, no fuss.

When I was a kid, I also broke my pinky finger during a family trip to Alberta. This was way back in the 90's but even then, no cost associated for being sewn up and casted. The only cost that there would have been are for any pain killers, which I didn't even get.

Have you personally been to the UK or Canada and experienced healthcare with your own eyes? Because what you're claiming here is a conservative myth that bears very little weight and is FAR from the actual truth.



I can't tell if you're answering your own question here, but when an Epipen starts off at $50 and is raised to $600 at a 400x markup, there's a problem. What's the cogent solution to this? Someone accidentally eats a peanut and then has to choose between going into anaphalytic shock or shell out $600 they don't have?

There's nothing fair about having to make this choice, all in the name of capitalism.

Capitalism, in small tangents, can work and quite successfully, but the way it's currently setup in these United States is absolute fuckery and needs a restructure of the highest order.

i got tired of trying to explain to folks , who never lived abroad but spew fox talking points as facts! they always echo the same fauxnews hannity diatribes without proof, u know like i do about NHS in England becos , i I LIVED IN ENGLAND and i never had any issues with HEALTHCARE, delivery or drugs or appointments , if the UK is that size &populaton then in the US we just scale it up to meet the population!! kapish ! firefighters is socialism, police is socialism, postal workers is socialism!

 

[mangobob79]

Glad you were able to shake off the noise that are these United States. America is one big ass marketing scheme that people consider ACTUAL life and that's the scariest bit. They spend billions upon billions (the TV you mentioned, social media, advertising, etc..) to keep us inside this insular bubble by preaching, "we're #1, capitalism is king, we're the best, everyone else sucks..." blah blah blah... and the worst part is that people truly, in their heart of hearts believe that this is real life and don't give enough of a fuck to try and change it. They're actually quite comfortable with their conditioning and eventually grow up to defend it at all costs, which is why you'll always get opposition when someone says anything contrary to what is.

i keep telling folks, get a passport and travel ! stop believing there aint nothing else going on in the rest of the world or the black world if u wanna keep it within race, God's address isnt AMERIKA ! i notice alot of the Captain America negroes have never travelled or when they do , they slavishly hold on to the indoctrination that everything & everywhere they go must acquiesce to an american standard! and thats where they lose out on the growth! ! and when u travel and live abroad long enuff , and humble urself , the scales fall off