Can Obama Count on Atlanta

QueEx

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There must be something that I'm missing here . . .

There are a lot of ATL brothers and sisters on these boards, perhaps, somebody can explain this:

  • According to the Bureau of Census, the City of Atlanta’s April 1, 2000 population was 416,474 persons
    [1]
  • The city's 2005 population was estimated at 462,546; of which 316,630 or 68% is Black and 129,328 or 27.9% is White
    [2]


  • In the November 2005 mayoral race, Shirley Franklin was re-elected Mayor of Atlanta for a second term with 90 per cent of the vote
    [3]


  • According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the vote brokedown, as follows:

    ATLANTA MAYOR
    178 of 178 precincts reporting

    x-Shirley Franklin (i) 42,642 votes or 90 %
    Dave Walker 2,857 votes or 6 %
    Glenn S. Wrightson 1,445 votes or 3 %
    James Harris 0 votes or 0 %

    Absentee ballots included.
    [4]

  • As of July 2, 2008, according to the RCP (RealClearPolitics) Average, McCain leads Obama in Georgia by 6.7 percent
    [5]


  • If less than 50,000 people voted in the last mayoral election in Atlanta and the population is 68% Black, can the Obama campaign rely upon vote of Black Atlantans to help push Georgia into his column ???



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[1] City of Atlanta Website http://apps.atlantaga.gov/citydir/dpcd/cdp/section_1125195527968.html

[2] Id.

[3] http://www.citymayors.com/politics/usa_elections05.html

[4] http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/election05/charts/atlraceschart.html

[5] http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ga/georgia_mccain_vs_obama-596.html#polls

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Yes he can. That same dynamic exist in Chicago. Local incumbents strive to minimize the vote and I think national politicians in general look to maximize it. That's why the locals love scheduling votes during non-presidential/midterm election years. Turnout was about 30% in Chicago last time around with Daley carrying every precinct.
 
Interesting. I don't think that I have seen that 'suppressive dynamic' before, at the local level, especially where Blacks are in the voting majority as is the case in Atlanta. I searched for turnout numbers from the 00 and 04 presidential elections to compare the Atlanta municipal vs. national turnout but, unfortunately, I haven't found anything yet which sorts turnout by city. Still looking.

QueEx
 
Just taking an initial look at the numbers you posted for Atlanta, the difference between national and local will be ugly.

I attributed a third of Atlanta's population to being under 18, which I think is close to national average, and that came out to less than 20% of people over 18 turned out for 2005 based on those 2000 census population numbers.

Knowing nothing about Atlanta, I can't imagine the presidential and mid-term numbers will be anything close to that terrible.
 
:rolleyes:

I guess the assumption here is that every black person will vote for Obama?

I mean, not that McCain is a glittering alternative, but really... Is Obama black people's choice by default?
 
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:rolleyes:

I guess the assumption here is that every black person will vote for Obama?

I mean, not that McCain is a glittering alternative, but really... Is Obama black people's choice by default?
I think Black people have been voting for a lot of white candidates for more than a century and many, many were our "candidates by default." Black people are not monolithic and no candidate is suitable to all of the people, hence, someone is always likely voting for "default" or the "lesser of two evils." But for many of us, Barack is the "Candidate of Choice." Not everyone will feel that way, including you; but no one is compelled to.

Come November, you get to vote for whomever you feel is best suited. I and many other African Americans will cast a vote for Barack Obama. Some of us will do it just because of who he is; and others of us because, given the choices, he really is the best choice.

BUT, for those who will be voting for Barack simply because he is Black -- take solace -- many white people have been voting for white candidates for no other reason than they are white and will do so once again, come this November.

QueEx
 
I responded to someone in the Sam Nunn thread the other day when he said something like no matter who Obama picks rednecks are not going to vote for down here him anyway. My answer was a little off topic to this thread but I'll display it anyway because some elements [I feel] still apply.

I think so. For three reasons.

#1) Bob Barr is from Georgia

#2) Voter turnout and enthusiasm is low the Republican party. Obama won more votes in the GA primary than the top two republican candidates.

#3) George Bush beat Kerry just under 600k votes in Georgia in 2004. As of May, there were at least that many unregistered eligible black voters here in this state.

My opinon, if Obama can increase his turn out among unregistered black folks in conjunction with the Bob Barr effect, then it might get a little ugly.
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Georgia Has 600,000 Unregistered Black Voters !

The majority of which are in the Atlanta metro area county of DeKalb which is 54% Black. The bad news is the former DeKalb county CEO, Vernon Jones, an African American who ran for the Senate in a run off in the democratic primary July 12th, failed to get Black folk to come out in support of his bid in any significant numbers and lost to a white candidate In addition, as of now the Black voter registration does not appear to be running as high as it needs to be. Negros will complain but will do nothing to change their situation{

source: New York Times

Political Memo
Obama Camp Thinks Democrats Can Rise in South

By ROBIN TONER
Published: June 30, 2008

WASHINGTON — As they look to the fall election, Democrats face a strategic decision that has bedeviled their party for 40 years: How hard should they fight in the South?

And how does having Senator Barack Obama at the top of the ticket affect that calculation?

Officials in Mr. Obama’s campaign say they are bullish on the South, and they have signaled their aggressiveness with early campaign appearances in North Carolina and Virginia, major voter registration drives in the region, and television advertising in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia.

Steve Hildebrand, the deputy campaign manager for Mr. Obama, said he saw “tremendous potential” in several Southern states.

“If you go in and look at the number of unregistered voters in demographic groups that are important to Barack’s candidacy — younger voters, African-American voters — the potential is just incredible,” Mr. Hildebrand said.

And yet since the South began to shift away from the Democrats in the 1960s, it has become one of the biggest and reddest of the Republican strongholds. In the last two presidential elections, the Democrats failed to carry any of the Southern states. Although recent Democratic nominees have typically gotten about 9 out of 10 of the votes of Southern blacks, they still need a substantial chunk of the white vote to prevail. Political scientists put that figure at close to 40 percent, though it depends on the state, and the Democrats have rarely gotten it.

Even after selecting a Southerner, John Edwards of North Carolina, as his running mate in 2004, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts drew 29 percent of the white vote in the region (17 percent in the Deep South). In 2000, Al Gore got 31 percent, even losing his home state, Tennessee.

The only times since 1972 that the Democrats have carried more than a third of the Southern white vote, according to exit polls, were when Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton, both Southerners, were atop the ticket. In 1996, for example, Mr. Clinton got the votes of 36 percent of Southern whites and 87 percent of Southern blacks, and carried 5 of the 13 Southern states.

Mr. Obama’s Southern strategy relies on significantly increasing black registration and turnout, as he did in the primary season. Mr. Hildebrand said that by some estimates there are 600,000 unregistered black voters in Georgia alone. The higher the black share of the vote, the lower the requirement for garnering white votes. But the Obama camp argues that it can increase its share of the white vote as well by focusing on younger, more progressive whites.

Democratic candidates have typically written off many Southern states early in the process. But when Democrats give up the South, they need to win 70 percent of the rest of the electoral votes, said Merle Black, an expert on Southern politics at Emory University. And they often subject candidates running for lower offices in the region to fierce political headwinds: it is hard for a statewide candidate to prevail when his party’s presidential nominee loses by double digits.

“We’ve not only lost in Mississippi, we’ve lost by 20 points in Mississippi,” said Ray Mabus, the former governor of Mississippi and a senior adviser to Mr. Obama.

Mr. Mabus added: “It’s not only Democrats who’ve been writing off Mississippi. It’s Republicans, too, because they felt safe.”

The Obama campaign’s interest in the South, Mr. Mabus said, is already heightening the competition there. He noted that Senator John McCain had been to Mississippi since clinching the Republican nomination. “I don’t think he would have come if he thought it was a mortal lock,” Mr. Mabus said.

Southern Democrats have often felt left out of their party’s presidential calculations. From Reconstruction to the 1960s, the South was essentially a one-party region: Democratic. But voters’ allegiance was rocked in the 1960s by the Democrats’ leadership in passing civil rights legislation, and whites began to move to what Republicans asserted was their more natural ideological home.

This was exacerbated, many Southern Democrats believe, by the national party’s habit of nominating Northern liberals who campaigned little in the region. But the Democrats who ran those campaigns said they had to devote their resources to the states where polls showed they had the best chance of prevailing.

“We started out with a pretty broad playing field, with the intention of putting more states in play than had been put into play before,” said Mark Mellman, a Democratic pollster who worked for Mr. Kerry in 2004, noting that the Kerry campaign competed early on in Virginia.

“At a certain point, we needed to make a decision on whether to continue to compete in states that weren’t likely to pay off and drain money from states that could,” Mr. Mellman said.

But this time, the resources argument would be less compelling because Mr. Obama is expected to have a sizable financial edge over his rival, given his decision to forgo public campaign money and the spending limits that accompany it. And, some Democrats who work in the South argue, writing off a region is simply the wrong thing to do.

“How do you tell 102 million people who live in the South that they don’t matter?” said Steve Jarding, a Democratic consultant who has worked on several Southern campaigns. This year, he added, the region should be open to a Democratic argument on economics.

But some contend that the building blocks of a Democratic electoral majority lie elsewhere, notably the Southwest. That argument was laid out in 2006 in “Whistling Past Dixie: How Democrats Can Win Without the South,” by Thomas F. Schaller, a political scientist at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County.

“The notion that the Democrats have to win in the South is just a fiction,” Dr. Schaller said.

Some Democrats say the Obama registration drive could have unintended consequences, spurring a higher turnout among whites planning to vote Republican. But Charles Bullock, a political scientist at the University of Georgia, said he considered that unlikely.

“Older whites who are most likely to have traditional racial attitudes are probably already registered and may have records of consistent participation,” Dr. Bullock said.

As Mr. Mabus put it, “I’m sure some won’t vote for him because he’s African-American, but I’m pretty sure those people wouldn’t vote for any Democrat.”

Mr. Obama’s race aside, his ideology is a significant hurdle in the South, if history is any guide. Mr. Clinton broke the Republicans’ hold in 1992 in part by running as a decidedly centrist Democrat — pro-death penalty, pro-welfare reform, for the “forgotten middle class.” He was also helped by Ross Perot’s third-party candidacy, which drained votes from the Republicans.

In the Republican camp, strategists say that for all the difficulties the party is facing, the South remains deeply conservative.

“It would take an awful big shift in the electorate this year,” said Mike DuHaime, a senior adviser to the McCain campaign. “It’s not like we’re talking about states that were won by one or two points last time. These Southern states, with the exception of Virginia and Florida, were double-digit wins.”

Mr. DuHaime acknowledged that Virginia, whose northern suburbs have become more Democratic in recent years, would be competitive this year. But he maintained that Mr. McCain, more than many Republicans, should have substantial appeal to moderate and independent voters.

Gordon Giffin, a Democratic activist in the South and an ambassador to Canada in the Clinton administration, said the economy and the Iraq war had created “more available white voters in the South this time than we’ve had in recent memory.” Southern Democrats always argue for more attention from the national party, and Mr. Giffin acknowledged, “Sometimes we know we’re full of hot air.”

He added, “This time it’s different.”
 
Re: Georgia Has 600,000 Unregistered Black Voters !

<font size="5"><center>Georgia Democrats await Obama boost</font size></center>

McClatchy Newspapers
By Halimah Abdullah
Monday, September 15, 2008

WASHINGTON --Political analysts are watching to see if high turnout among black voters in Georgia for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will chip away at the Republicans' Southern firewall.

It will be a tough task. The last Democratic presidential candidate to take the state was Bill Clinton in 1992.

A poll by InsiderAdvantage last week has Republican presidential nominee John McCain leading Obama in the Peach State by 18 points. Ninety-four percent of Republicans polled said they would support McCain, while only 76 percent of Democrats said they would support Obama.

McCain also leads Obama, 73 percent to 19 percent, among white voters, according to the poll. In a possible sign that the Obama campaign is reducing its efforts in the state, a number of staffers were pulled from Georgia recently and reassigned to more competitive states like North Carolina.

Nationally, McCain and Obama are locked in a statistical dead heat, according to a new Ipsos/McClatchy poll. The national poll, released Thursday, finds McCain with 46 percent of registered voters and Obama with 45 percent. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.3 percentage points.

Still, loyalists are keenly aware that Georgia's Democratic delegation could reap the benefits from an Obama presidency, said David Beattie, a Democratic pollster who analyzes Georgia politics.

"The Democratic primary was an epic battle between an establishment candidate and an outsider," Beattie said of the race between Obama and New York Sen. Hillary Clinton. "People who were with Obama early on had to make a choice to be with him, and some of those people who are qualified may be looked at for a Cabinet position."

Rep. Sanford Bishop, D-Albany, who sits on the powerful House Appropriations Committee, lined up as an Obama supporter early on. Bishop helps head the Illinois senator's state campaign and even helped pick the furniture for one of Obama's Georgia campaign headquarters.

Though others, such as civil rights icon Rep. John Lewis, D-Atlanta, were slower to rally to Obama's side, subsequent support may go a long way toward endearing the Georgia delegation to an Obama White House, Beattie said. Lewis sits on the influential House Ways and Means Committee, and as such he is charged with helping write tax legislation and bills affecting Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement programs.

His role could prove pivotal in helping put forth the types of domestic policy changes that Obama has advocated. With the exception of Rep. Jim Marshall of Macon, all of the state's Democrats in Congress have thrown their support behind Obama.

Despite McCain's lead in the Georgia poll, there's reason for Republican leaders to watch the state with caution.

McCain has weathered lukewarm acceptance among the state's conservative circles -- though his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, might help in that regard. Former Rep. Bob Barr, who once represented the Atlanta exurbs, is running for the presidency on the Libertarian Party ticket, which could cut into the Republican base in Georgia.

Republicans point to the election of Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson and Gov. Sonny Perdue as electoral coups that prove Georgia's ready to hold the "red" line. However, Democrats are looking to reverse that trend and have wasted no time claiming victories... no matter how dubious.

Last month, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee released a poll trumpeting that "Georgia Democratic Senate candidate Jim Martin starts the general election against Republican Senator Saxby Chambliss down by only six points and holding Chambliss to just 42 percent of the vote."

"Georgians are not happy with where Saxby Chambliss has taken their state and their country, and they're eager for change," DSCC spokesman Matthew Miller said. "With the general election only beginning a week ago, Jim Martin is in position to mount a strong challenge."

By most national measures, including polls by MSNBC, Congressional Quarterly and Rasmussen, Georgia remains solidly in the "leans Republican" category.

And "Obamamentum" may not be enough to wrest the Senate seat away from Chambliss or make up for Martin's campaign war chest shortcomings.

"Chambliss is the heavy favorite to keep his Senate seat for a second term," Congressional Quarterly wrote recently. "The Democratic challenger, former state Rep. Jim Martin, faces an uphill battle to make a serious run at Chambliss, who benefits from Georgia's recently strong Republican voting trend and a daunting campaign finance advantage."

"Chambliss is not asleep at the switch", said Jennifer Duffy, senior editor with the Cook Political Report. "You can't underestimate the military presence in Georgia, either. That's one constituency where Chambliss will do very well. He pays attention to veterans. McCain should do well there as well."

Exactly what impact turnout for Obama will have on Georgia's down-ballot races remains to be seen.

"(Georgia) is one of those states where it's going to be interesting to see whether this whole premise that Obama brings out a solid black turnout will be tested," Duffy said. "Georgia has one of the highest turnouts of African Americans in the country.

"Then there's the theory that for every increase with blacks there's an increase with white voters," Duffy said. "That's been proven in the '90s with the race between Jesse Helms and Harvey Gantt."

In 1990, Helms defeated former Charlotte Mayor Harvey Gantt with 52 percent of the vote in a campaign noted for its race-tinged advertising.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/310/story/52527.html
 
He could win in Atl but there's places in Ga where 18yr Black kids still refer to 18yr old White kids as 'sir'. That state is no where near as progressive as some would have us believe. The Black vote will be suppressed in most counties.
 
If the vote was based just on "Atlanta" I would say yes
Since the rest of the state is involved I believe we're going to most likely end up red
 
First Time Voter Registration In Ga Increases For Blacks But Decreases For Whites

source: Georgia News GPB

For the first time in history, an African-American has a good shot at becoming president.

And with voter registration ending today, statistics from the Georgia secretary of state's office show that the number of blacks registering for the first time has increased significantly over 2004.

The number of black men registering for the first time in Georgia increased by 33 percent from 2004.

The number of black women registering increased by 22 percent.

Charles Bullock, a political science professor at the University of Georgia, says that thanks, in part, to a push by campaign of the Democratic nominee, Barack Obama, to register black voters.

"When you consider that probably 95 percent or so of African-Americans who turn out to vote in November will vote for Obama, it gives you an awfully strong incentive to try to maximize the number of registrants," says Bullock.

But the number of white voters registering in Georgia for the first time decreased, in spite of major election issues, such as the economic crisis this election year.

The number of white men registering for the first time decreased by seven percent.

And as for white women, even the selection of Sarah Palin to run for vice president on the Republican ticket didn't help.

The number of white women registering for the first time decreased by 11 percent in Georgia.

The voter registration numbers are current as of October 1.
 
Re: First Time Voter Registration In Ga Increases For Blacks But Decreases For Whites

Fulton and Dekalb counties, in which the city of Atlanta is and are suburbs are the most populous counties in Georgia. They are both majority Black. Republicans rely on the other Atlanta suburban and rural counties for their vote. This doesn't look good for McCain. BTW I read that Jim Martin, the democrat senator running against the republican incumbent Saxby Chambliss is running almost tied. This is unheard of in Georgia politics!
 
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