Bussa Buss droppin knowledge on the state of Hip Hop

[Genocide]

Hip Hop may not be dead, but it certainly isn't the same as it was. It's like Hip Hop is on crack or some shit. Busta drops knowledge on how shit is right now. That ring tone shit is true, niggas ringtones going platinum and shit and can't sell nearly as many albums.

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"They depreciated the value of what once made us special" - Busta

 

[kingScorpio]

Thats real talk right there!!!! the music industry just hit reset. Gold albums will mean something again.

 

[furlough]

So what made this so important to drop a second time...especially when the original post is still on the first page?

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[Genocide]

So what made this so important to drop a second time...especially when the original post is still on the first page?

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Maybe cause the title of the other post was lame and I didn't read it.

 

[Lattimore]

I realize Busta is just venting about not being able to get money like he used to but he's got to be clear that a lot of that burden rests within the Beast of Hip Hop. That man knows who took the life of his friend and behind a code and behind fear of not being able to sell records, if he were to break the code, he's remained silent. whatever Knowledge that man drops is from his selfish ass perspective... he don't give a damn about the music business or the fans, just his ability to make money in the hood and be a star.


He ain't shit to me...

 

[Crown&Coke]

Busta was right. Why the fuck does a ringtone cost more than a song and you only get to hear 5 seconds of the song.

 

[Dr. Truth]

I realize Busta is just venting about not being able to get money like he used to but he's got to be clear that a lot of that burden rests within the Beast of Hip Hop. That man knows who took the life of his friend and behind a code and behind fear of not being able to sell records, if he were to break the code, he's remained silent. whatever Knowledge that man drops is from his selfish ass perspective... he don't give a damn about the music business or the fans, just his ability to make money in the hood and be a star.


He ain't shit to me...

Go listen to Soulja Boy and fuck off.

 

[Rembrandt]

He is true to an extent but part of the reason that its not album sales cause niggas albums are wack. His last album was wack other than like three songs. He tried to change his image cause he thought he wanted to do something different but what the people wanted was the party fun loving busta. The big good artists who are making good music make sales and thats what they not understanding now you have to put some time in and make a complete album if u want the sales. u got a lot of these one hit wonder ringtone guys who we not gonna remember in two years but no one is really trying to make classic albums anymore. no one is being creative and you have too many artists who dont love the music anymore they just tryna make some fast money and keep looking at it as a hustle.

 

[Dr. Truth]

He is true to an extent but part of the reason that its not album sales cause niggas albums are wack. His last album was wack other than like three songs. He tried to change his image cause he thought he wanted to do something different but what the people wanted was the party fun loving busta. The big good artists who are making good music make sales and thats what they not understanding now you have to put some time in and make a complete album if u want the sales. u got a lot of these one hit wonder ringtone guys who we not gonna remember in two years but no one is really trying to make classic albums anymore. no one is being creative and you have too many artists who dont love the music anymore they just tryna make some fast money and keep looking at it as a hustle.

So why does Mos Def, Talib and Common etc. not sell in the millions? They are not wack. That shit has hardly anything to do with sales. In fact the best artists hardly sell anything.

 

[Rembrandt]

and the comment about his street cred is true cause that is part of the reason he fell off. he tryna be hard but no one listened for busta's street cred. i guess him and spliff thought that would be a good idea.

 

[Rembrandt]

common gets sales. mos hasn't put out a real and good album in like four years to be honest. and talib isnt consistent. and then they don't have the budgets because they dont have those buzz songs like party like a rockstar and the like. the labels like these neighborhood independent acts that have established bases cause they dont have to put money into them. soulja boy been on youtube for over a year before he got his deal. they not puttin no real money behind him, just pay the radio to spin the record like a virus. because you have marketing execs that dont believe that the radio listeners are going to give anything different a chance they just follow and follow a sound until they kill it. it happened to ja rule. he was the only thing on the radio for like 2 years. all the songs sounded like his shit, now everything has to have a southern artist on it. these guys at the label are under so much pressure they aren't willing to take a chance on something they dont know what the reaction will be to it.

 

[Dr. Truth]

common gets sales. mos hasn't put out a real and good album in like four years to be honest. and talib isnt consistent. and then they don't have the budgets because they dont have those buzz songs like party like a rockstar and the like. the labels like these neighborhood independent acts that have established bases cause they dont have to put money into them. soulja boy been on youtube for over a year before he got his deal. they not puttin no real money behind him, just pay the radio to spin the record like a virus. because you have marketing execs that dont believe that the radio listeners are going to give anything different a chance they just follow and follow a sound until they kill it. it happened to ja rule. he was the only thing on the radio for like 2 years. all the songs sounded like his shit, now everything has to have a southern artist on it. these guys at the label are under so much pressure they aren't willing to take a chance on something they dont know what the reaction will be to it.

Has he gone Multi Platinum? no

 

[johniz]

Didn't he do a remix for LAFFY TAFFY???

He contributed to the problem. For far too long (or at least when Master P had a monopoly on rap) rappers been trying to ride eveeryone in order to "expand" instead of just bringing in hits.

 

[Genocide]

Go listen to Soulja Boy and fuck off.

Exactly, Soulja Boy got his deal off youtube and shit. The reason why Hip Hop gets no respect is because ANYONE can rap. Now back in the day anyone could rap, but that didn't mean they were good. If they were wack they didn't get any airplay. Fast Forward to today and you have the wackest niggas living selling the most records and getting the most fame. Literally anyone can pick up a mike today and make some catchy shit and achieve overnight success via the internet.

 

[Osca Lee]

dayum it seems like, busta is mad cause the game has changed I dont blame these young dudes, fuck all them big azz labels if you take a close look all the artist that get deals they either kin to someone in the industry or real good friends with someone they know who who can get them thru the loops.

To be honest, what defines a rapper? lyrical flow or content-dont other rapers deliver better than others- you mf have to admit it,plus we only listen to 1 or 2 songs on the cd and then thats it, its time to wait for them to remix it with andre 3000 or wait another 3 years b4 they come out with another cd. These old azz dudes hate change, they have no choice but to accept it and move on.

 

[thundamike]

Exactly, Soulja Boy got his deal off youtube and shit. The reason why Hip Hop gets no respect is because ANYONE can rap. Now back in the day anyone could rap, but that didn't mean they were good. If they were wack they didn't get any airplay. Fast Forward to today and you have the wackest niggas living selling the most records and getting the most fame. Literally anyone can pick up a mike today and make some catchy shit and achieve overnight success via the internet.

If it is that easy...why don't you do it?

 

[Genocide]

If it is that easy...why don't you do it?

Actually bitch nigga, I didn't say it was easy. I said anyone can do it. And just because I can doesn't mean I want to. Hip Hop is not respected as an art form. Not like it used to be. The AVERAGE nigga with a mic can make a hot song with the right beat and the right hook. And that's what we have today, a lot of average and below average mothafuckas who just happen to have a good beat and hook. A hook in which many cases they probably didn't write.

Now back in the day there were some wack cats out there, but they were KNOWN to be wack and didnt achieve much succes, i.e. Father MC. Today, these wack niggas are the hottest things on the market.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

Two words. Evolve homie.

Busta sound like all the old heads talkin shit when dudes were gettin deals based off their mixtape buzz in the 90's.

Soulja Boy (the lil nonrappin fuck) is the 1st noname artist to effectively use socialnetworking to build a buzz, get cake and secure a major deal. He pimps youtube, myspace and the web to the fullest. Everybody in the south knew that dance months before he even had a video out.

Shit, his album is called "www.souljaboytellem.com" and it's his real site where he has product for sale. How many rappers been tryin to sound smart in freestyles, saying some url and don't even have a site setup.

I'll continue to clown the kid on his wack ass music but as far as the hustle, the boy is on the right track.

 

[Lattimore]

So why does Mos Def, Talib and Common etc. not sell in the millions? They are not wack. That shit has hardly anything to do with sales. In fact the best artists hardly sell anything.

Exposure.

Look at the exsposure artists who sell get against those you named. Mos Def, Talib, and common never get the video, radio, or print media presence/ exposure as the wack ones who sell. MTV doesn't really play there videos (during TRL) and neither does BET, for that matter.

If you want to know why Single don't exist ask our local recorc company. Back in the day when the Cd format was introduced a Single shot up to $7 bucks and people stopped buying. Then in order to revive the singles market Record company's dropped the price to virtually nothing... soon a single song will be $1.50... at least there reprograming people to at least buy a song. The reason Ringtones are so exspensive is bc people think it's harder to create the technology.

 

[Lattimore]

Actually bitch nigga, I didn't say it was easy. I said anyone can do it. And just because I can doesn't mean I want to. Hip Hop is not respected as an art form. Not like it used to be. The AVERAGE nigga with a mic can make a hot song with the right beat and the right hook. And that's what we have today, a lot of average and below average mothafuckas who just happen to have a good beat and hook. A hook in which many cases they probably didn't write.

Now back in the day there were some wack cats out there, but they were KNOWN to be wack and didnt achieve much succes, i.e. Father MC. Today, these wack niggas are the hottest things on the market.

Not exactly, Technology has made it possible for all the wack asses who make beats in there crib to compete with all the wack asses the labels signed all through the late 90's. Don't think POP music didn't have a role in destroying hip hop either. Do you think Fergie, Gwen Steffani, or any of them new bitch's would get love if they were black? i don't think so... we expect more from sisters when they suppose to be singers. Them same producers and them same beat makers were producing Brittney, and Mandi Moore, and Jessica Simpson, and back street, and 98 degree's and all the other chump carbon copies... ordinary half singing half rapping fools said fuck it... im in, because technology allowed it.

Where we disagree is that a lot of wack cats on the rap pop and rock side got famous and achieved real success... not a few.

busta's apart of the crack music generation... sorry but he is. Him loosing his street cred was the last stray...

 

[Lattimore]

Go listen to Soulja Boy and fuck off.

Whatever... don't be mad cause you wrong and your feelings are hurt.

 

[Gemma]

Busta talks with mad passion.

You don't wanna sign my autograph fuck you I downloaded your shit anyway.

Classic.

 

[Lattimore]

Exactly, Soulja Boy got his deal off youtube and shit. The reason why Hip Hop gets no respect is because ANYONE can rap. Now back in the day anyone could rap, but that didn't mean they were good. If they were wack they didn't get any airplay. Fast Forward to today and you have the wackest niggas living selling the most records and getting the most fame. Literally anyone can pick up a mike today and make some catchy shit and achieve overnight success via the internet.

Furthermore the business changed from artist driven to Producer driven in the 90's. How the fuck else does Puffy become a rapper... or some of these otheer producer

 

[hanginbals]

Dam,That shit is so true! How you charge .99 for a song and 3.99 for a ringtone. The game is fucked up!

 

[thundamike]

Actually bitch nigga, I didn't say it was easy. I said anyone can do it. And just because I can doesn't mean I want to. Hip Hop is not respected as an art form. Not like it used to be. The AVERAGE nigga with a mic can make a hot song with the right beat and the right hook. And that's what we have today, a lot of average and below average mothafuckas who just happen to have a good beat and hook. A hook in which many cases they probably didn't write.

Now back in the day there were some wack cats out there, but they were KNOWN to be wack and didnt achieve much succes, i.e. Father MC. Today, these wack niggas are the hottest things on the market.

Hey hey hey...no need to be so sour Even busta took it better than that Now go back to the back room of the back of the house old cranky ass (that ain't music) nigga.

 

[xeon]

Two words. Evolve homie.

Busta sound like all the old heads talkin shit when dudes were gettin deals based off their mixtape buzz in the 90's.

Its beyond getting or being old. The industry has changed and rap has been devalued. Its not anything special anymore. Rap is like the US Dollar, CRASHING!!!!!

Spins don't translate into sales, ringtones are now chartable and have created a market for more disposable music. We used to blow people off in the 80's when they called hip hop a fad because we knew it was a whole culture that WE created and controlled. The problem is that this young boys dont know what they missed out on.

 

[CPT Callamity]

He is true to an extent but part of the reason that its not album sales cause niggas albums are wack. His last album was wack other than like three songs. no one is being creative and you have too many artists who dont love the music anymore they just tryna make some fast money and keep looking at it as a hustle.

Truth. His album had Dre on it and I dug that one song with Raekwon but he was on that "crack shit" which is redundant even coming from him. I eased off on buying peoples albums except a few artists because I was tired of all the hype. I got tired of blowing $17 on a CD that contained 2-3 decent songs. As a comparison I pulled out older CDs and older LPs...some of them you can play all the way through and even their bad songs were listenable. Yes, I wish that hiphop was creatively competitive like it was back in 88, the time machine isn't on sale at Ebay yet.

The RIAA can kiss my ass too. Them fuckaz are playing police yet they can't urge record labels to stop putting out shit records and signing minstrels.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

Its beyond getting or being old. The industry has changed and rap has been devalued. Its not anything special anymore. Rap is like the US Dollar, CRASHING!!!!!

Spins don't translate into sales, ringtones are now chartable and have created a market for more disposable music. We used to blow people off in the 80's when they called hip hop a fad because we knew it was a whole culture that WE created and controlled. The problem is that this young boys dont know what they missed out on.

The golden era is over. There is no dispute there. The youngstas missed out. I agree 100%. Now on to what Bus was speaking on... He is talking about how they were able to hustle before - getting those crazy album budgets and doing the numbers. He wasnt talking too much about how the quality of the music has dropped. He was talking about how the net fucked up the hustle. Like I said Soljah Boy represents the new hustle. His music may be trash to you and I but his marketing strategy is the internet eras blueprint.

 

[DjMorpheus]

Hip Hop may not be dead, but it certainly isn't the same as it was. It's like Hip Hop is on crack or some shit. Busta drops knowledge on how shit is right now. That ring tone shit is true, niggas ringtones going platinum and shit and can't sell nearly as many albums.

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"They depreciated the value of what once made us special" - Busta

U madd at computers nigga?

 

[Zyin]

this shit evolving

better get like Jay-Z where he is about to run the digital music lable for Apple

 

[Cock Head Jones]

U madd at computers nigga?

exactly. that was all i needed to hear.

 

[xeon]

this shit evolving

better get like Jay-Z where he is about to run the digital music lable for Apple

Jay Z will do no such thing.

 

[Nu_Guy]

damn Busta still livin in the past, comparin now to the "good ole days". that cat is wack cuz he was on fantasy island droppin ignant ass music which helped create the present conditions.
he wanna act like he aint see shit was happenin. This cat dont drop no knowledge in this vid. he basically cant even see outside the box of money. As most of u already expained, Times have changed and the hip hop game as well as all music is becoming harder to monopolize on. That means everyones broke in the end.

Now we can all focus on the bigger picture. Education. And gettin the fuck out of babylon.

 

[Nu_Guy]

U madd at computers nigga?

Dude this cat is mad at computers!!!! Dude is a str8 old geezer.

 

[thundamike]

damn Busta still livin in the past, comparin now to the "good ole days". that cat is wack cuz he was on fantasy island droppin ignant ass music which helped create the present conditions.
he wanna act like he aint see shit was happenin. This cat dont drop no knowledge in this vid. he basically cant even see outside the box of money. As most of u already expained, Times have changed and the hip hop game as well as all music is becoming harder to monopolize on. That means everyones broke in the end.

Now we can all focus on the bigger picture. Education. And gettin the fuck out of babylon.

Now this nigga know what he talkin about.

There is not too much difference between Souljah boyz' "crank dat" and Busta Rhymes "WooHahh".