Breaking Obama

[Upgrade Dave]

The point isn't about borrowing money, its about paying it back. Everyone on here knows that Texas, and Alaska pay what they owe. Same goes for Virginia, Florida, and Georgia. Notice how Thought isn't bringing up Michigan, California, and New York. Major conservative states bring major conservative money. Too bad the same can't go for major liberal states.

Not to mention, there's more people moving out of the so-called MAJOR liberal states, TO the major conservative states. Thus, why we hear all about NY, Detroit, Cali cats moving numerous states in the south.

However, that's not the focus. The focus is on things our state borrow. Not what we pay back. Liberals never talk about the end game. Its always about the beginning. Very typical.

Unc's right, it's hard to find a jump in place so just pick a spot when someone's lying.

Aha!

You keep going with this story and it's just not true. Texas, Alaska, and most of the states you mentioned are the biggest recipients of funds in the nation while NY, Maine, Vermont, and the most liberal states are the biggest donor states.

Whatever point you're making, make it honestly.

 

[Lamarr]

Unc's right, it's hard to find a jump in place so just pick a spot when someone's lying.

Aha!

basicly But Thought went from the Bible to the Constitution in a single post!

 

[Lamarr]

Neither of these states pay their way now so why would that change on their own. Mexico would quickly be overrun by Mexico and Alaska would would be annexed by either Russia or Canada.

I side with TX because the change would occur by them being freed up from the Fed. Govt mandates. If the Governor made a stance against immigration, a lot of their debt would be relieved. 2nd, empower the family farmer (its more than enough land), 3rd, I don't see TX being overrun by Mexico (that will be a helluva battle & my $$$ is on TX).

 

[thoughtone]

Since the original topic was "Breaking Obama" and the libertarian and the devout republican cannot defend the right's attempt to sabotage Obama's presidency, the initial subject had been shifted many times and my attempt to try and steer it back in to focus was ignored This was my way of adding to the background noise.

 

[actinanass]

Since the original topic was "Breaking Obama" and the libertarian and the devout republican cannot defend the right's attempt to sabotage Obama's presidency, the initial subject had been shifted many times and my attempt to try and steer it back in to focus was ignored This was my way of adding to the background noise.

So, that means you can defend your side's attempt to destroy pretty much ANY opposition?

I guess you are the authority of how we all should act right?

Typical liberal holier than though crap.

Stick to the talking points.

BTW, Obama is destroying himself with this neo-socialist policies. Something I predicted back in January.

 

[Lamarr]

Since the original topic was "Breaking Obama" and the libertarian and the devout republican cannot defend the right's attempt to sabotage Obama's presidency, the initial subject had been shifted many times and my attempt to try and steer it back in to focus was ignored This was my way of adding to the background noise.

Pastor Thought ! As I said in post 3 of this thread, the Dems hold all the power so if Obama can't pass his reforms, thats on the Dems, period. Can't blame it on Bush. Repubs can't do a damn thang, so pass all this legislation and wait for the blowback in 2010.

 

[actinanass]

Pastor Thought ! As I said in post 3 of this thread, the Dems hold all the power so if Obama can't pass his reforms, thats on the Dems, period. Can't blame it on Bush. Repubs can't do a damn thang, so pass all this legislation and wait for the blowback in 2010.

Socialist have to blame their failures on other people. Thus, why he keeps bringing up Bush, and the Republicans.

No different from Hitler *that name again lol* blaming the Jews for Germany's financial struggles during the 1930's.

Thought cannot blame Obama for anything, because Obama is damn near perfect in his eyes.

 

[thoughtone]

Socialist have to blame their failures on other people. Thus, why he keeps bringing up Bush, and the Republicans.

No different from Hitler *that name again lol* blaming the Jews for Germany's financial struggles during the 1930's.

Thought cannot blame Obama for anything, because Obama is damn near perfect in his eyes.

actinanass for real, what the fuck are your talking about?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Since the original topic was "Breaking Obama" and the libertarian and the devout republican cannot defend the right's attempt to sabotage Obama's presidency, the initial subject had been shifted many times and my attempt to try and steer it back in to focus was ignored This was my way of adding to the background noise.

There's really no defense. It's not a case of honest opposition as much as it is throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks. This is the negative side of the Democrats having such a resounding victory last November, coming off winning in 2006. The only Republicans left, especially in the House, are the far-right, militant, descended from George Wallace types who would rather this country go up i flames than Obama succeed.

Pastor Thought ! As I said in post 3 of this thread, the Dems hold all the power so if Obama can't pass his reforms, thats on the Dems, period. Can't blame it on Bush. Repubs can't do a damn thang, so pass all this legislation and wait for the blowback in 2010.

This I completely agree with. The only thing holding back Democrats is cowardice. What was the point of winning the elections if you don't get to do what you want. The won so overwhelmingly, it could reasonably be called a "mandate" and yet there's still this foot-dragging. They need to pass the reforms and when the sky doesn't fall, they would reap the rewards. But doing nothing is worse than doing something and failing.

 

[actinanass]

actinanass for real, what the fuck are your talking about?

the fact that you need to blame someone FOR Obama's short comings. Instead of looking at Obama's policy, you tend to find that ONE conservative voice to blame. Basically, your side can not deal with responsibility. Plain, and simple....

 

[BigUnc]

IMHO what we are witnessing is the Achilles heel of the current leadership of the Democratic Party.

The absolute lack of executive experience is starting to show. The 3 Dem leaders Obama, Reid and Pelosi have for the majority of their adult lives been in institutions where they have been one of many. None, until now in the case of Obama, have been in a position whereas the buck stops with them. Obama is making mistakes a infantry platoon leader wouldn't make. lack of direction,lack of identifying objectives,assigning the best people available to accomplish tasks,lack of establishing and maintaining discipline, lack of surveying the (political) terrain, etc. etc.

What the Dems needed at this time in history is/was a damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead type leader. The opportunity to make sweeping changes may not come for another generation.

BigUnc

 

[actinanass]

IMHO what we are witnessing is the Achilles heel of the current leadership of the Democratic Party.

The absolute lack of executive experience is starting to show. The 3 Dem leaders Obama, Reid and Pelosi have for the majority of their adult lives been in institutions where they have been one of many. None, until now in the case of Obama, have been in a position whereas the buck stops with them. Obama is making mistakes a infantry platoon leader wouldn't make. lack of direction,lack of identifying objectives,assigning the best people available to accomplish tasks,lack of establishing and maintaining discipline, lack of surveying the (political) terrain, etc. etc.

What the Dems needed at this time in history is/was a damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead type leader. The opportunity to make sweeping changes may not come for another generation.

BigUnc

I warned everyone about this very thing. Oh well, I'm just a right wing nut. No need to listen to me...

 

[thoughtone]

the fact that you need to blame someone FOR Obama's short comings. Instead of looking at Obama's policy, you tend to find that ONE conservative voice to blame. Basically, your side can not deal with responsibility. Plain, and simple....

“Not Dealing With Responsibility, Hmmm, I like That Concept!”​

 

[actinanass]

“Not Dealing With Responsibility, Hmmm, I like That Concept!”​

I'm debating a brick wall.

Oh well......

 

[Lamarr]

The absolute lack of executive experience is starting to show.

thats a strong statement Unc! I don't quite know how to read their timidness but hey, they may be reading the polls

 

[BigUnc]

thats a strong statement Unc! I don't quite know how to read their timidness but hey, they may be reading the polls

I know it's a strong statement bro, I have no choice but to call it as I see it. It's probably too late for the healthcare reforms Dem voters wanted. The remainder of the democratic agenda depends solely on whether or not President Obama can grow a set and establish party discipline. He's got the troops in the field to accomplish the changes people who voted for him say they want. Does he have the guts to fire his friends that were responsible for this debacle?

 

[thoughtone]

There's really no defense. It's not a case of honest opposition as much as it is throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks. This is the negative side of the Democrats having such a resounding victory last November, coming off winning in 2006. The only Republicans left, especially in the House, are the far-right, militant, descended from George Wallace types who would rather this country go up i flames than Obama succeed.

And what makes it so laughable ironic is that Lamarr and actinanass throw around Hitler and Nazi while their party is using the exact same tactics that the Nazis used against the Jews. Their goal is to incite some fringe (not so fringe of today’s Republican Party) McVeigh type to kill Obama, kill some Black folks or burn down a building with some children in it. They could care less about the United States. They would have every one a slave to a multinational corporation begging for the scraps thrown their way. They don’t know or don’t care that those same corporate rapists could give two fucks about them. Kind of like those uneducated senior citizens at the town halls saying “keep the government out of my Medicare.” They haven’t a clue!

This I completely agree with. The only thing holding back Democrats is cowardice. What was the point of winning the elections if you don't get to do what you want. The won so overwhelmingly, it could reasonably be called a "mandate" and yet there's still this foot-dragging. They need to pass the reforms and when the sky doesn't fall, they would reap the rewards. But doing nothing is worse than doing something and failing.

“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time”

Harry S. Truman

 

[thoughtone]

IMHO what we are witnessing is the Achilles heel of the current leadership of the Democratic Party.

The absolute lack of executive experience is starting to show. The 3 Dem leaders Obama, Reid and Pelosi have for the majority of their adult lives been in institutions where they have been one of many. None, until now in the case of Obama, have been in a position whereas the buck stops with them. Obama is making mistakes a infantry platoon leader wouldn't make. lack of direction,lack of identifying objectives,assigning the best people available to accomplish tasks,lack of establishing and maintaining discipline, lack of surveying the (political) terrain, etc. etc.

What the Dems needed at this time in history is/was a damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead type leader. The opportunity to make sweeping changes may not come for another generation.

BigUnc

I don’t necessarily agree with you about the Reid and Pelosi, especially Reid. Reid is a spineless go-alone-to-get-along politician. But I do agree that Obama needs to be more like LBJ.

 

[Lamarr]

And what makes it so laughable ironic is that Lamarr and actinanass throw around Hitler and Nazi while their party is using the exact same tactics that the Nazis used against the Jews. Their goal is to incite some fringe (not so fringe of today’s Republican Party) McVeigh type to kill Obama, kill some Black folks or burn down a building with some children in it. They could care less about the United States. They would have every one a slave to a multinational corporation begging for the scraps thrown their way. They don’t know or don’t care that those same corporate rapists could give two fucks about them. Kind of like those uneducated senior citizens at the town halls saying “keep the government out of my Medicare.” They haven’t a clue!

Thought, you sick bruh! I never advocated violence towards anyone. All I said was We still followin the same foreign, domestic & monetary policy as Dubya, interpret how you wish!

 

[thoughtone]

I warned everyone about this very thing. Oh well, I'm just a right wing nut. No need to listen to me...

I'm biting my tongue. You are such a hypocrite, and I'm trying not to get banned by using civil language. You said just several posts back that Obama was going too fast now you are agreeing that he is not aggressive enough. Do you actually think you are making sense?

Better yet, just shut up and let me get your ideas directly from the source. The RNC weekly talking points memeo.

...and you are a right wing nut and nobody is listening to you!

 

[thoughtone]

Thought, you sick bruh! I never advocated violence towards anyone. All I said was We still followin the same foreign, domestic & monetary policy as Dubya, interpret how you wish!

Do I have to go back to the post where you used Nazi?

 

[Lamarr]

Do I have to go back to the post where you used Nazi?

Do It! let me help you - Na-Zi (acronym for National Socialism)

 

[thoughtone]

Do It! let me help you - Na-Zi (acronym for National Socialism)

Explain.

So now that you know what it looks like, it shouldn't be a problem to identify in the future, Right?

Na-zi (National Socialism)

Thought, please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Nazism, officially in German as National Socialism(German: Nationalsozialismus), refers to the ideology and practices of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party or NSDAP under Adolf Hitler, and the policies adopted by the dictatorial government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945.

Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right. The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. The Nazi Party presented its program in the 25 point National Socialist Program in 1920. Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, anti-communism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.

 

[Lamarr]

so what, my reason for posting the definition of Nazi was for you and others to know what it is. I've said from the jump, Dubya was NOT a "conservative". Not when his grandfather's involvement with Hitler! Stop tryin to put words into my mouth, and recognize history for what it is

 

[actinanass]

I'm biting my tongue. You are such a hypocrite, and I'm trying not to get banned by using civil language. You said just several posts back that Obama was going too fast now you are agreeing that he is not aggressive enough. Do you actually think you are making sense?

Better yet, just shut up and let me get your ideas directly from the source. The RNC weekly talking points memeo.

...and you are a right wing nut and nobody is listening to you!

First of all, I warned everyone that he will have a hard time as president if he goes too liberal, too fast. *in which he did...*

Secondly, on my post, "I can't vote for him", I talked about the lack of experience Obama had. In which, people *such as yourself, que, and Vegas* began to chastise me.

Third of all, being a hypocrite would mean that I supported what Obama was all about in the first place. I've said that the only thing I support Obama is the fact he is our first BLACK president. Policy wise, I disagree with him WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

I'm not going to comment on the "I'm not trying to get you banned" comment. If you was, you failed anyway. BTW, there's no such thing of a civil socialist.

 

[actinanass]

so what, my reason for posting the definition of Nazi was for you and others to know what it is. I've said from the jump, Dubya was NOT a "conservative". Not when his grandfather's involvement with Hitler! Stop tryin to put words into my mouth, and recognize history for what it is

Why is George Bush in this conversation in the first place?

 

[Lamarr]

Why is George Bush in this conversation in the first place?

post #52. Thought assumes that since I posted the definition of Nazi, I'm refering to the Pres

 

[actinanass]

post #52. Thought assumes that since I posted the definition of Nazi, I'm refering to the Pres

*sigh*

With all the hate Thought possesses, I wouldn't be surprise to hear Thoughtone's version of Mein Kampf.

 

[thoughtone]

Why is George Bush in this conversation in the first place?

You fuckin' George Bush or something or is he fuckin' you?

He surely fucked us all!

 

[thoughtone]

*sigh*

With all the hate Thought possesses, I wouldn't be surprise to hear Thoughtone's version of Mein Kampf.

Have you ever read it? What are your thoughts on it?

 

[BigUnc]

You fuckin' George Bush or something or is he fuckin' you?

He surely fucked us all!

This is funny

 

[Upgrade Dave]

And what makes it so laughable ironic is that Lamarr and actinanass throw around Hitler and Nazi while their party is using the exact same tactics that the Nazis used against the Jews. Their goal is to incite some fringe (not so fringe of today’s Republican Party) McVeigh type to kill Obama, kill some Black folks or burn down a building with some children in it. They could care less about the United States. They would have every one a slave to a multinational corporation begging for the scraps thrown their way. They don’t know or don’t care that those same corporate rapists could give two fucks about them. Kind of like those uneducated senior citizens at the town halls saying “keep the government out of my Medicare.” They haven’t a clue!




“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time”

Harry S. Truman

Some these "Blue Dogs" need to remember that quote.

Forget those two, the Republicans and their talking heads (Rush, Hannity, etc) have made a science of getting people to vote and rally behind people and institutions that consistently act against their own interests. This healthcare debate is just the latest example. The GOP have a lock on under-educated, rural, working class White voters, the very people that would benefit most from a public option just existing. To hear these calls of socialism from people who receive Medicare and/or Social Security and/or Medicaid is astounding.

I don’t necessarily agree with you about the Reid and Pelosi, especially Reid. Reid is a spineless go-alone-to-get-along politician. But I do agree that Obama needs to be more like LBJ.

I really don't like Reid. The Democrats are in trouble with that guy at the helm in the Senate. He's one of those that makes me look at term limits a little more seriously. He's weak, compromised, and corrupt.
LBJ is a much better example for Obama to follow and he may be. LBJ told King to "make him" sign the Voting Rights Act. A challenge for King to muster up the public support to "force" the President to sign a politically volatile amendment (if I got any details wrong, please correct me). Obama needs the same people that came out in force to vote for him to contact their Congressional representatives and let them know that they won't be there for them in 2010 or 12 if they aren't there for us in 2009.

 

[actinanass]

You fuckin' George Bush or something or is he fuckin' you?

He surely fucked us all!

Have you ever read it? What are your thoughts on it?

Shit like this is beneath me.

I could respond to this, but obviously QUE will get on me for hurting YOUR feelings.

 

[QueEx]

Shit like this is beneath me.

I could respond to this, but obviously QUE will get on me for hurting YOUR feelings.

If all you can do is respond by insult; perhaps, you're defenseless

QueEx

 

[thoughtone]

Shit like this is beneath me.

I could respond to this, but obviously QUE will get on me for hurting YOUR feelings.

I was just wondering why you were so concerned about me invoking GW.