Breaking News: Eric Cantor says House GOP won't back bill

[HotSauce161]

Understood, but the public's not voting on the bill, the people he dissed are.

And they've already shown they don't give a fuck.

Worse, their districts are actually backing them on this maneuver, if they didn't, they wouldn't be there now.

Trust, I understand why he wanted to do what he did, but to me the time to do it would be AFTER the bill was signed!

The public plays an important role in all of this. Yes, it's a representative government but the people exercise more control of th process than just voting people in and walking away. When the Preseident makes his appeal to them he's working to get them to change their minds if he can. Republican support is not ironclad in their districts. Their offices are liable to get calls asking why they won't support the Presidents deal. There are still moderates left in these districts who want to see legislation get through, it's not all Tea Party nuts. The President is reaching out to them.

When the Affordable Care Act was being readied, people faulted the President for not explaining the complexity of it to the public well enough to get them behind it. Here he is making sure the public sees what's happening and understands what's at stake and how he wants it resolved.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

The public plays an important role in all of this. Yes, it's a representative government but the people exercise more control of th process than just voting people in and walking away. When the Preseident makes his appeal to them he's working to get them to change their minds if he can. Republican support is not ironclad in their districts. Their offices are liable to get calls asking why they won't support the Presidents deal. There are still moderates left in these districts who want to see legislation get through, it's not all Tea Party nuts. The President is reaching out to them.

When the Affordable Care Act was being readied, people faulted the President for not explaining the complexity of it to the public well enough to get them behind it. Here he is making sure the public sees what's happening and understands what's at stake and how he wants it resolved.

Sorry bruh, you're making sense from a Democratic POV, as stated in this thread the Repubs in question are not only firmly entrenched in their districts, some risk losing the mid-term elections if they do go along with this latest proposal, there were many people, while disagreeing with the President, just didn't want Romney as the President, they showed this by keeping the House as a Republican majority, if they felt differently the House would be in Democratic hands right now, especially after the debt ceiling debacle of 2011.

You are 100% correct about the President not really getting the word out to the public about Obamacare and it cost the Dems the House, which lead to the re-districting situation that I'm referring to, do you think people in the suburbs of Ohio or Texas, those same people who signed those online petitions to secede from the US after Obama won, want to see Obama win @ anything else?!?

Even if it means they lose, they've already shown that this doesn't matter, just by the fact that they voted for Romney, and even if they didn't do that, they voted for their local Republican, witness how the Romney/Ryan ticket lost the state of Wisconsin but Ryan himself got re-elected for his district seat with 55% of the vote.

 

[HotSauce161]

Sorry bruh, you're making sense from a Democratic POV, as stated in this thread the Repubs in question are not only firmly entrenched in their districts, some risk losing the mid-term elections if they do go along with this latest proposal, there were many people, while disagreeing with the President, just didn't want Romney as the President, they showed this by keeping the House as a Republican majority, if they felt differently the House would be in Democratic hands right now, especially after the debt ceiling debacle of 2011.

You are 100% correct about the President not really getting the word out to the public about Obamacare and it cost the Dems the House, which lead to the re-districting situation that I'm referring to, do you think people in the suburbs of Ohio or Texas, those same people who signed those online petitions to secede from the US after Obama won, want to see Obama win @ anything else?!?

Even if it means they lose, they've already shown that this doesn't matter, just by the fact that they voted for Romney, and even if they didn't do that, they voted for their local Republican, witness how the Romney/Ryan ticket lost the state of Wisconsin but Ryan himself got re-elected for his district seat with 55% of the vote.

I'm speaking from the POV that you never stop trying to reach the American people. Yes, some of these folks are stuck on stupid and dug into positions that actually work against themselves but you keep trying to reach them.

Yes, some of these Republicans are more worried about being primaried than they are about serving their constituents, so you speak to the constituents and keep making your case. The House staying under Republican rule was more a result of redistricting than anything else. These cats are incredibly safe districts now thanks to that. But going by the number of votes cast in the 2012 election, Dem candidates got more votes.

As President you keep working the room. He's President of the whole country not just the people who voted for him. He has a duty to try to do what's best for all of them. Whether they appreciate it or not.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

I'm speaking from the POV that you never stop trying to reach the American people. Yes, some of these folks are stuck on stupid and dug into positions that actually work against themselves but you keep trying to reach them.

Yes, some of these Republicans are more worried about being primaried than they are about serving their constituents, so you speak to the constituents and keep making your case. The House staying under Republican rule was more a result of redistricting than anything else. These cats are incredibly safe districts now thanks to that. But going by the number of votes cast in the 2012 election, Dem candidates got more votes.

As President you keep working the room. He's President of the whole country not just the people who voted for him. He has a duty to try to do what's best for all of them. Whether they appreciate it or not.

Again, I agree with what you're saying, but while pushing his agenda he didn't have to come out NOW and say that the Republicans gave in, unlike the POTUS THEY have to run for re-election in 2014, we ALL knew that they were going to give in but that they would push it to this limit to save face, I understand that the Prez didn't even want to give them that, but he could've done that AFTER they passed the bill, @ the press conference where he was signing the bill with everyone standing behind him.

It's like he got into a fight with the neighborhood bully and kicked his ass, and as the bully was lying on the ground crying he starts throwing insults at him about his Mother, even though you already have them beat you give them a reason to fight back.

You rub ish in the next day, when the result is already clear and can't be changed.

 

[HotSauce161]

Again, I agree with what you're saying, but while pushing his agenda he didn't have to come out NOW and say that the Republicans gave in, unlike the POTUS THEY have to run for re-election in 2014, we ALL knew that they were going to give in but that they would push it to this limit to save face, I understand that the Prez didn't even want to give them that, but he could've done that AFTER they passed the bill, @ the press conference where he was signing the bill with everyone standing behind him.

It's like he got into a fight with the neighborhood bully and kicked his ass, and as the bully was lying on the ground crying he starts throwing insults at him about his Mother, even though you already have them beat you give them a reason to fight back.

You rub ish in the next day, when the result is already clear and can't be changed.

Politics is a contact sport. Republicans have been wailing away at him for a number of years now. The President makes a move of his own it shouldn't be seen as poor form. Who's to say the Senate would have gone ahead and signed their deal without this push?

All I'm saying is that the President is giving them notice that he's not letting them shape the public debate. I expecthe'll use this approach a lot in the coming months. He tried quite a few other tactics last term and the Republicans weren't particularly cooperative. He's doing it different now. Let's see how it plays out.

 

[cb71109]

They just passed it

 

[ugk]

Paul Ryan and John Boehner voted yes.. Eric Cantor voted no.. what a fucking Jew

 

[easy_b]

They just passed it

next up THE DEBT Celling

 

[easy_b]

Paul Ryan and John Boehner voted yes.. Eric Cantor voted no.. what a fucking Jew

Boehner better watch his back

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Politics is a contact sport. Republicans have been wailing away at him for a number of years now. The President makes a move of his own it shouldn't be seen as poor form. Who's to say the Senate would have gone ahead and signed their deal without this push?

The Senate has NEVER been a problem, not during the debt ceiling negotiations, and not now.

All I'm saying is that the President is giving them notice that he's not letting them shape the public debate. I expect he'll use this approach a lot in the coming months. He tried quite a few other tactics last term and the Republicans weren't particularly cooperative. He's doing it different now. Let's see how it plays out.

Understood, and some backbone from the Dems is what WE ALL have been waiting for, agreed on seeing how it plays out, not just now but on the upcoming debt ceiling vote as well.

They just passed it

 

[HotSauce161]

The Senate has NEVER been a problem, not during the debt ceiling negotiations, and not now.



Understood, and some backbone from the Dems is what WE ALL have been waiting for, agreed on seeing how it plays out, not just now but on the upcoming debt ceiling vote as well.

The Senate is a major problem. Their use of holds and filibusters has stopped a lot of the Presidents agenda cold. His nominees from Cabinet members to lower court judges have been left hanging too many times. Republicans have stopped any bill that can't muster 60 votes. 51 is supposed to be enough but they raised the bar just 'cause they can. Reid has done what he can, but next term filibuster reform is essential to an orderly and speedy Senate.

Debt ceiling is going to be ugly. Republicans want that fight. I don't see why, but they do.

 

[BuckeyeGa]

Watching the press conference and the President is STILL keeping his foot on the Republicans' neck..shit..

 

[ugk]

This budget is so fucked in the next 10 years

 

[Djmarkxr7]

The Senate is a major problem. Their use of holds and filibusters has stopped a lot of the Presidents agenda cold. His nominees from Cabinet members to lower court judges have been left hanging too many times. Republicans have stopped any bill that can't muster 60 votes. 51 is supposed to be enough but they raised the bar just 'cause they can. Reid has done what he can, but next term filibuster reform is essential to an orderly and speedy Senate.

Debt ceiling is going to be ugly. Republicans want that fight. I don't see why, but they do.

Truth, but I was only referring to these particular bills, bills that HAVE to be brought to the floor, not appointments and such.

Obama has been dragging his feet on his judicial appointments though, while quite a few have been blocked, he's had 4 years to pick up the pace.

As a lawyer himself the number of people he's put up for judgeships is unacceptably low, Dubya nominated and got passed more in his first term, what does that say about Obama?

 

[HotSauce161]

Truth, but I was only referring to these particular bills, bills that HAVE to be brought to the floor, not appointments and such.

Obama has been dragging his feet on his judicial appointments though, while quite a few have been blocked, he's had 4 years to pick up the pace.

As a lawyer himself the number of people he's put up for judgeships is unacceptably low, Dubya nominated and got passed more in his first term, what does that say about Obama?

The President and most rational people would argue that his bills are important bills that deserve an up or down vote. As it stands that does not happen without extraordinary effort by Reid.

As to appointments, there have been so many holds on his nominees in the judiciary it's ridiculous. They don't have any objections to the qualifications they just want to see the candidates give up. They know that judges are in place longer than politicians and therefor are much more important in the long game of shaping/defining legislation. Bush's nominees got through because Democrats in the Senate let them get through, as they should. You are only supposed to object when you in fact find the candidate objectionable.

"the single biggest obstacle to judicial confirmations under Obama is the record intransigence shown by Senate Republicans. Nearly one quarter of all attempts to break a filibuster on a presidential nominee during the first 221 years of the American republic involved Senate Republican filibusters of President Obama’s nominees."
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...-than-any-first-term-president-since-kennedy/

 

[BigATLslim]

Well, it passed.

On to the next one...

 

[prowess]

the Tea Party takes an L

 

[Blackmayne]

Fuck a Republican, That party is on the brink of a civil war!

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[DaAssWatcher]

Cutting off their heads to spite their faces

Come time for re-election for the GOP, people will remember what they did to them...(hopefully)

When has this ever happened???

Remember Wisconsin???
Remember George W????

 

[Djmarkxr7]

The President and most rational people would argue that his bills are important bills that deserve an up or down vote. As it stands that does not happen without extraordinary effort by Reid.

As to appointments, there have been so many holds on his nominees in the judiciary it's ridiculous. They don't have any objections to the qualifications they just want to see the candidates give up. They know that judges are in place longer than politicians and therefor are much more important in the long game of shaping/defining legislation. Bush's nominees got through because Democrats in the Senate let them get through, as they should. You are only supposed to object when you in fact find the candidate objectionable.

"the single biggest obstacle to judicial confirmations under Obama is the record intransigence shown by Senate Republicans. Nearly one quarter of all attempts to break a filibuster on a presidential nominee during the first 221 years of the American republic involved Senate Republican filibusters of President Obama’s nominees."
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...-than-any-first-term-president-since-kennedy/

Again true, we see eye to eye on these things, but peep this...

"The president’s slow pace and anemic support for judicial appointments has kept the courts in conservative hands."
http://prospect.org/article/courts-how-obama-dropped-ball

And this was written 3 weeks ago, there were several more written earlier this year and last year, Obama wanted to chose people of various backgrounds, to more represent the melting pot that is America, and to that end HE stated that his Administration would take a slow appoach to appointees, but that slow approach has now been reduced to a crawl.

 

[HotSauce161]

Again true, we see eye to eye on these things, but peep this...

"The president’s slow pace and anemic support for judicial appointments has kept the courts in conservative hands."
http://prospect.org/article/courts-how-obama-dropped-ball

And this was written 3 weeks ago, there were several more written earlier this year and last year, Obama wanted to chose people of various backgrounds, to more represent the melting pot that is America, and to that end HE stated that his Administration would take a slow appoach to appointees, but that slow approach has now been reduced to a crawl.

From your article:

"The slow pace of nominations combined with Republican obstruction to create a huge backlog..Senate Republicans have resorted to unprecedented use of filibusters and threats of filibusters to keep the courts as Republican as possible for as long as possible. Even on district court judges, posts that used to be easily confirmed, Republicans have used filibusters 20 times. Obama’s total confirmation rate is 75 percent, compared to 88 percent for Bush four years into his presidency. A senior White House official says, “It doesn’t matter how many more judges we jam into the pipeline, the vacancy rate doesn’t change at all. The bottleneck is the Senate. More names only add to the bottleneck.”

So even if he were to throw out names at a faster pace, there would still be this ugly backlog thanks to Republicans. They won't let the names through.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

From your article:

"The slow pace of nominations combined with Republican obstruction to create a huge backlog..Senate Republicans have resorted to unprecedented use of filibusters and threats of filibusters to keep the courts as Republican as possible for as long as possible. Even on district court judges, posts that used to be easily confirmed, Republicans have used filibusters 20 times. Obama’s total confirmation rate is 75 percent, compared to 88 percent for Bush four years into his presidency. A senior White House official says, “It doesn’t matter how many more judges we jam into the pipeline, the vacancy rate doesn’t change at all. The bottleneck is the Senate. More names only add to the bottleneck.”

So even if he were to throw out names at a faster pace, there would still be this ugly backlog thanks to Republicans. They won't let the names through.

Which plays right into Republican hands, NOT nominating more is giving in to them, it even serves to embolden them in their behavior.

From the article:
But the common element was that nobody—not the White House chief of staff, not the Senate leadership, not the president himself--made judicial nominations a priority. So nearly four years into a Democratic presidency, the federal bench is almost as conservative as it was at the start of Obama’s term. This was a train-wreck of the first order, with consequences that will reverberate for decades.

Geoffrey Stone, the former dean of the University of Chicago Law School who invited Obama to teach there and who was a close colleague, says. “Even if the President is content to appoint moderate judges, it remains a mystery why the Administration is so far behind in its nomination of judges. Had Obama lost in 2012, this would have been a disaster in terms of missed opportunities. As we move forward, it is essential that the Administration get its act together. There is no excuse for the persistent failure to fill vacancies.”

Again, The Republicans filibustering almost every nominee is dead wrong, but doesn't slowing down the nominations himself make Obama almost as culpable as they are?

 

[HotSauce161]

Which plays right into Republican hands, NOT nominating more is giving in to them, it even serves to embolden them in their behavior.

From the article:
But the common element was that nobody—not the White House chief of staff, not the Senate leadership, not the president himself--made judicial nominations a priority. So nearly four years into a Democratic presidency, the federal bench is almost as conservative as it was at the start of Obama’s term. This was a train-wreck of the first order, with consequences that will reverberate for decades.

Geoffrey Stone, the former dean of the University of Chicago Law School who invited Obama to teach there and who was a close colleague, says. “Even if the President is content to appoint moderate judges, it remains a mystery why the Administration is so far behind in its nomination of judges. Had Obama lost in 2012, this would have been a disaster in terms of missed opportunities. As we move forward, it is essential that the Administration get its act together. There is no excuse for the persistent failure to fill vacancies.”

Without filibuster reform the nominees weren't going anywhere so it appears that rightly or wrongly the President focused on other things. With filibuster reform on the horizon let's see how many nominees he puts forward and how many get confirmed.

They didn't just slow things down. They halted the process for many of his nominees. Some nominees gave up and withdrew their names. Some nominees are still waiting and will need to be re-nominated with the new Congress. That doesn't make the President as culpable as the obstructionists. They had a greater hand in the problem.

 

[PDQ21]

they playing a dirty game and will see the results of their actions almost immediately

 

[SPECTRE1]

When people start missing meals and going hungry, socialism and communism start to look real appealing. It is the reason we have Social Security and Unemployment Insurance, to back these groups off during the Great Depression. This is why you see generous state benefits in Europe due to a strong Communist Party that force the rich to tolerate high taxes or face the socialization of their business.

The Republicans needs to stop messing around, or a Hugo Chavez could show up in an election season.

 

[easy_b]

When people start missing meals and going hungry, socialism and communism start to look real appealing. It is the reason we have Social Security and Unemployment Insurance, to back these groups off during the Great Depression. This is why you see generous state benefits in Europe due to their close proximity to Russia.

The Republicans needs to stop messing around, or a Hugo Chavez could show up in an election season.

You i usually don't like some of your posts but you make some good points. The Repugs will be out of power for 100 years + if they keep trying to fuck with the safety nets.

 

[PDQ21]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...st-fiscal-cliff-deal-161832950--politics.html

pass it but another fiscal cliff in a few wks so no real solution lmao

 

[RepostKing]

there needs to be blood

 

[Complex]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...st-fiscal-cliff-deal-161832950--politics.html

pass it but another fiscal cliff in a few wks so no real solution lmao

 

[Sango]

2% Payroll tax increase is some fucking bullshit. If this was to avert the middle class taxes from going up, then why wasn't this tax prevented from going up!? I'm writing somebody about this shit!

Coming up with a strategy with my accountant... I don't give a fuck if it's a single cent. It's my hard earned CENT!

 

[Laughing Man]

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Cause fuck them - sometimes you need to call out weakness. Don't let foxnews try to twist shit. They called him arrogant and uppity - but McConnell called the country center right. Republicans got spending cuts with no damn tax cuts last time. Threatened to end payroll tax holiday over tax cuts. They have routinely claimed the high ground even after losing in 2008. Their entire agenda was to make sure he doesn't have a second term. Now that he won by 5 million votes... and damn near 80 electoral votes...they are still talking about repealing the affordable health care act and refused any tax increases.

Folks called Obama weak...now they get mad when he says fuck you. He simply tilted the playing field. Bush repealed Clinton's tax rates. It's like changing field position. Republicans had the power because its always hard to move from lower tax rates. Now obama is saying - you want lower spending? Cool - let's look at taxes. Let's look at defense spending. Let's look at corporate loopholes...not always social security, medicare, and education.

So I join the president in saying fuck you republicans. You fucked up and gave this ninja a second term. He has the political capital - but he is not gonna say it - he is gonna prove it. The olive branch president is gone. No more extending your hand and they slap it down and call for your birth certificate. All these ninjas respect is pressure..so pressure it is. And when its time to compromise - he is gonna take his pound of flesh.. you realize these ninjas had the nerve to tout how they were simply thinking about raising taxes (like it was asking them to change religions).

LOL, trust, I agree with you 100%, the BS coming from Repubs about Obamacare is garbage, that ish is over and done with, but he already gave in by moving the number to $400k when he was re-elected using $250k so BOTH sides moved, as they should, but why gloat if you already have the win, especially when you gave in as well?!?

That's like a boxer screaming that he's gonna knock his opponent out in the first round, but then wins a tough split decision and brags about it.

Why?!?

Let me point out that you're right, both sides moved, as good negotiators should but he moved from 250k to 400k while they had to come down from 1 million dollars to 400k without all the spending cuts they wanted. So this is a big win and the one thing I don't think the Obama Admin did well in the first two years was tell people about their victories. This is America, we love winners but Obama and his people were more into doing the work than the theatre and politics and it cost him and his party in 2010. It already looks like he's learned from that and wont make the same mistake with 2014 coming up fast.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Without filibuster reform the nominees weren't going anywhere so it appears that rightly or wrongly the President focused on other things. With filibuster reform on the horizon let's see how many nominees he puts forward and how many get confirmed.

They didn't just slow things down. They halted the process for many of his nominees. Some nominees gave up and withdrew their names. Some nominees are still waiting and will need to be re-nominated with the new Congress. That doesn't make the President as culpable as the obstructionists. They had a greater hand in the problem.

You do realize who votes on filibuster reform, how many votes are necessary to pass filibuster reform and bigger, who loses if it passes, right?

Back when Dubya was POTUS the Dems did the same thing, blocking quite a few of his judicial appointments, not to the extent that the Republicans have over the past 4 years mind you, but nevertheless it didn't stop Bush from pressing his nominees.

Let me go on record right now, THERE WILL BE NO FILIBUSTER REFORM until minimally AFTER the 2014 midterm elections, and that's only IF the Dems pick up more seats in the Senate.
(5, to be exact!)

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Let me point out that you're right, both sides moved, as good negotiators should but he moved from 250k to 400k while they had to come down from 1 million dollars to 400k without all the spending cuts they wanted. So this is a big win and the one thing I don't think the Obama Admin did well in the first two years was tell people about their victories. This is America, we love winners but Obama and his people were more into doing the work than the theatre and politics and it cost him and his party in 2010. It already looks like he's learned from that and wont make the same mistake with 2014 coming up fast.

RIGHT, Obama won big time, my point was simply why put the Repubs face in it BEFORE the bill was signed, it still has the same impact AFTERWARDS!

Even moreso because then all the speeches and rhetoric can't change what they ALREADY voted on!

Getting the word out to the public, especially on wins and why it was necessary to do certain things is extremely important, (edit) goading isn't.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

You do realize who votes on filibuster reform, how many votes are necessary to pass filibuster reform and bigger, who loses if it passes, right?

Let me go on record right now, THERE WILL BE NO FILIBUSTER REFORM until minimally AFTER the 2014 midterm elections, and that's only IF the Dems pick up more seats in the Senate.
(5, to be exact!)

They only need 51 votes to pass filibuster reform, they already have that if they get the really old heads to come along. Seeing how they keep running Tea Party crazies for the Senate, the GOP won't have control of the Senate for the foreseeable and even if they do, so what? That's the cost of democracy.