BREAKING! Iran & U.S. Navy have confrontation at sea
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Anyone see the debates this weekend? What do the GOP talk about 95% of the time?
I'm pretty sure you didn't watch the debates and instead you're relying on your favorite "preachin to the choir" web source to tell you what the Republicans talk about 95% of the time.
... so do the profits of oil producing companies, which ties back to someone’s thread on the merits of privatized oil. Don't you think if oil was nationalized, the incentives for corporations to incite national conflicts be would reduced?
I forgot which candidate Repub or Dem, but it was mentioned how we fund both sides of the War on Terror through oil and the federal budget. It was the Saturday debate.
Bullshit!!!!
Don't blame me, blame the facts.
Unlike your RNC email following GOP parroting, Kool Aid drinking, Libertarian only when it’s convenient mentality.
BTW, how is Texas the richest state?
California, GDP
Connecticut, highest per capital income
New York, most Fortune 500 companies.
UPDATE:
Seems to me that Iran is just begging for an ass kicking.
If this kind of bullshit continues i will not be sorry to see them get one either. $200 a barrel of oil or not, lets see who suffers the most.
Pentagon says ships harassed by Iran
By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - In what U.S. officials called a serious provocation, Iranian boats harassed and provoked three U.S. Navy ships in the strategic Strait of Hormuz, threatening to explode the American vessels.
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U.S. forces were on the verge of firing on the Iranian boats in the early Sunday incident, when the boats — believed to be from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard's navy — turned and moved away, a Pentagon official said. "It is the most serious provocation of this sort that we've seen yet," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record. Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman called it a "serious incident. This is something that deserves an explanation."
National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said the United States urges the Iranians "to refrain from such provocative actions that could lead to a dangerous incident in the future."
The incident occurred at about 5 a.m. local time Sunday as Navy cruiser USS Port Royal, destroyer USS Hopper and frigate USS Ingraham were on their way into the Persian Gulf and passing through the strait — a major oil shipping route.
Five small boats began charging the U.S. ships, dropping boxes in the water in front of the ships and forcing the U.S. ships to take evasive maneuvers, the Pentagon official said.
There were no injuries but the official said there could have been, because the Iranian boats turned away "literally at the very moment that U.S. forces were preparing to open fire" in self defense.
The official said he didn't have the precise transcript of communications that passed between the two forces, but said the Iranians radioed something like "we're coming at you and you'll explode in a couple minutes."
Iranian officials were not immediately available for comment Monday, and there was no news of the incident on Iranian state-run media.
At the State Department, spokesman Sean McCormack said he was not aware of any plans to lodge a formal protest.
"Without specific reference to this incident in the Strait of Hormuz, the United States will confront Iranian behavior where it seeks to do harm either to us or to our friends and allies in the region," McCormack told reporters. "There is wide support for that within the region and certainly that's not going to change."
Whitman said the Pentagon will work with State and National Security Council officials to determine "the appropriate way to address this with the Iranian government."
The U.S. vessels were in international waters, making a normal transit into the Gulf, Whitman said, adding that the Iranian boats were operating at "distances and speeds that showed reckless and dangerous intent — reckless, dangerous and potentially hostile intent."
He said the episode lasted 15 to 20 minutes but wouldn't say whether officials know for certain whether the were vessels were Iranian Revolutionary Guard or regular Iranian navy. The Revolutionary Guard forces have been known to be more aggressive than the regular navy.
"At least some were visibly armed. Small Iranian fastboats made some aggressive maneuvers against our vessels and indicated some hostile intent," Whitman.
Historical tensions between the two nations have increased in recent years over Washington's charge that Tehran has been developing nuclear weapons and supplying and training Iraqi insurgents using roadside bombs — the No. 1 killer of U.S. troops in Iraq.
In another incident off its coast, Iranian Revolutionary Guard sailors last March captured 15 British sailors and held them for nearly two weeks.
The 15 sailors from HMS Cornwall, including one woman, were captured on March 23. Iran claims the crew, operating in a small patrol craft, had intruded into Iranian waters — a claim Britain denied.
The weekend incident came as President Bush prepared for his first major trip to the Middle East. While scheduled to meet the leaders of Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other regional nations Jan. 9-16, Bush is expected to try to bolster the troubled peace process between Israel and the Palestinians but is also likely to seek backing for U.S. concerns about Iran.
At about this time last year, Bush announced he was sending a second aircraft carrier to the Gulf region in a show of force against Iran. The U.S. Navy quietly scaled back to one carrier group several months later. But while the two were there, they staged two major exercises off Iran's coast.
The war games amounted to U.S. muscle-flexing at a time when Tehran increasingly was at loggerheads with the international community over its disputed nuclear program and threatened to close the strategic Strait of Hormuz for oil transports in case of a U.S. military strike on Iran.
Since then, there have been diplomatic overtures aimed at calming tensions.
The United States maintains nearly 40,000 troops in Gulf countries other than Iraq, with the largest group in Kuwait and others in Qatar, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Oman and Saudi Arabia.
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Associated Press reporters Matthew Lee, Robert Burns and Jennifer Loven contributed to this report.
Seems to me that Iran is just begging for an ass kicking.
If this kind of bullshit continues i will not be sorry to see them get one either. $200 a barrel of oil or not, lets see who suffers the most.
Pentagon says ships harassed by Iran
By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - In what U.S. officials called a serious provocation, Iranian boats harassed and provoked three U.S. Navy ships in the strategic Strait of Hormuz, threatening to explode the American vessels.
ADVERTISEMENT
U.S. forces were on the verge of firing on the Iranian boats in the early Sunday incident, when the boats — believed to be from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard's navy — turned and moved away, a Pentagon official said. "It is the most serious provocation of this sort that we've seen yet," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record. Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman called it a "serious incident. This is something that deserves an explanation."
National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said the United States urges the Iranians "to refrain from such provocative actions that could lead to a dangerous incident in the future."
The incident occurred at about 5 a.m. local time Sunday as Navy cruiser USS Port Royal, destroyer USS Hopper and frigate USS Ingraham were on their way into the Persian Gulf and passing through the strait — a major oil shipping route.
Five small boats began charging the U.S. ships, dropping boxes in the water in front of the ships and forcing the U.S. ships to take evasive maneuvers, the Pentagon official said.
There were no injuries but the official said there could have been, because the Iranian boats turned away "literally at the very moment that U.S. forces were preparing to open fire" in self defense.
The official said he didn't have the precise transcript of communications that passed between the two forces, but said the Iranians radioed something like "we're coming at you and you'll explode in a couple minutes."
Iranian officials were not immediately available for comment Monday, and there was no news of the incident on Iranian state-run media.
At the State Department, spokesman Sean McCormack said he was not aware of any plans to lodge a formal protest.
"Without specific reference to this incident in the Strait of Hormuz, the United States will confront Iranian behavior where it seeks to do harm either to us or to our friends and allies in the region," McCormack told reporters. "There is wide support for that within the region and certainly that's not going to change."
Whitman said the Pentagon will work with State and National Security Council officials to determine "the appropriate way to address this with the Iranian government."
The U.S. vessels were in international waters, making a normal transit into the Gulf, Whitman said, adding that the Iranian boats were operating at "distances and speeds that showed reckless and dangerous intent — reckless, dangerous and potentially hostile intent."
He said the episode lasted 15 to 20 minutes but wouldn't say whether officials know for certain whether the were vessels were Iranian Revolutionary Guard or regular Iranian navy. The Revolutionary Guard forces have been known to be more aggressive than the regular navy.
"At least some were visibly armed. Small Iranian fastboats made some aggressive maneuvers against our vessels and indicated some hostile intent," Whitman.
Historical tensions between the two nations have increased in recent years over Washington's charge that Tehran has been developing nuclear weapons and supplying and training Iraqi insurgents using roadside bombs — the No. 1 killer of U.S. troops in Iraq.
In another incident off its coast, Iranian Revolutionary Guard sailors last March captured 15 British sailors and held them for nearly two weeks.
The 15 sailors from HMS Cornwall, including one woman, were captured on March 23. Iran claims the crew, operating in a small patrol craft, had intruded into Iranian waters — a claim Britain denied.
The weekend incident came as President Bush prepared for his first major trip to the Middle East. While scheduled to meet the leaders of Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other regional nations Jan. 9-16, Bush is expected to try to bolster the troubled peace process between Israel and the Palestinians but is also likely to seek backing for U.S. concerns about Iran.
At about this time last year, Bush announced he was sending a second aircraft carrier to the Gulf region in a show of force against Iran. The U.S. Navy quietly scaled back to one carrier group several months later. But while the two were there, they staged two major exercises off Iran's coast.
The war games amounted to U.S. muscle-flexing at a time when Tehran increasingly was at loggerheads with the international community over its disputed nuclear program and threatened to close the strategic Strait of Hormuz for oil transports in case of a U.S. military strike on Iran.
Since then, there have been diplomatic overtures aimed at calming tensions.
The United States maintains nearly 40,000 troops in Gulf countries other than Iraq, with the largest group in Kuwait and others in Qatar, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Oman and Saudi Arabia.
___
Associated Press reporters Matthew Lee, Robert Burns and Jennifer Loven contributed to this report.
Bush is trying his best to provoke a confrontation with Iran. He wasn’t so bad against China during Thanksgiving though.
Did the Iranians play any part in the provocation?
Are they just innocent bystanders here ???
QueEx
Hey with this administrations record in foreign policy, I’m surprised even you believe anything they claim.
T.O., I find it hard to believe that a field commander got an order to locate and harass small Iranian gunboats and report back that you were sought out and harassed. There are a lot of people, unconnected with such orders, who will see what happened and will tell if it didn't happen like the report said. So, at best, even if you are predisposed to blaming shit on Bush right off the bat (not that I honestly give a real shit) without knowing the facts, I would, as a practical, matter reserve judgment until I learned more of what happened.
All that glitters, ain't gold.
QueEx
All that glitters, ain't gold.
QueEx
<font size="5"><center>Iran’s Revolutionary Guards’ harassment of
US warships in Strait of Hormuz carried
5 tough messages for Bush </font size></center>
DebkaFile
January 7, 2008
DEBKAfile’s military and Iranian sources stress that the near-shooting incident Sunday, Jan. 6, in which 5 IRGC speedboats made threatening passes against three US Navy vessels in the Strait of Hormuz, was timed precisely by Tehran for the eve of President George W. Bush’s Middle East tour.
1. It was an “in your face” gesture by the IRGC to show the US president they were not scared by being declared a global terrorist organization, a step Bush took last year.
The elite Iranian corps was also intent on proving that Iran was the boss of the Strait of Hormuz, the crude oil outlet for Persian Gulf producers – not the US Navy.
2. A reminder that Iran is able to block the strait at will and throw the world’s oil traffic in disarray.
3. It is important for the Islamic Republic to show its neighbors on the US president’s itinerary that Iran is the region’s leading power, not the US, and that no deals or issues can be finalized without Tehran’s say-so.
4. The Iranian speedboats were also a warning to the nations hosting Bush not to risk signing any military pacts that may be directed against Iran.
5. Tehran has been all ears to pick up every nuance from the White House ahead of the Bush tour. In an interview aired by Israeli television Sunday, Bush said that Iran “was a threat and is a threat” and the US has never given up its military option.
Israeli officials have also leaked a plan to show the visiting president intelligence data to refute the US National Intelligence Estimate’s claim that Iran gave up its nuclear arms program in 2003.
Over the weekend, supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s senior adviser Ali Larijani went from Cairo to Damascus to discuss the Lebanese crisis. This was meant as a signal to Washington that the problem was susceptible to diplomatic engagement. But when the Iranians heard the Bush interview, they decided to show muscle instead and launched the naval incident in the Strait of Hormuz.
While possibly a coincidence, the naval provocation occurred at the same time as al Qaeda’s American spokesman called on the region’s Muslim to greet the visiting US president with bombs. The two events have combined to add fuel to the climate in the region preparing to welcome President Bush.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4916
US warships in Strait of Hormuz carried
5 tough messages for Bush </font size></center>
DebkaFile
January 7, 2008
DEBKAfile’s military and Iranian sources stress that the near-shooting incident Sunday, Jan. 6, in which 5 IRGC speedboats made threatening passes against three US Navy vessels in the Strait of Hormuz, was timed precisely by Tehran for the eve of President George W. Bush’s Middle East tour.
1. It was an “in your face” gesture by the IRGC to show the US president they were not scared by being declared a global terrorist organization, a step Bush took last year.
The elite Iranian corps was also intent on proving that Iran was the boss of the Strait of Hormuz, the crude oil outlet for Persian Gulf producers – not the US Navy.
2. A reminder that Iran is able to block the strait at will and throw the world’s oil traffic in disarray.
3. It is important for the Islamic Republic to show its neighbors on the US president’s itinerary that Iran is the region’s leading power, not the US, and that no deals or issues can be finalized without Tehran’s say-so.
4. The Iranian speedboats were also a warning to the nations hosting Bush not to risk signing any military pacts that may be directed against Iran.
5. Tehran has been all ears to pick up every nuance from the White House ahead of the Bush tour. In an interview aired by Israeli television Sunday, Bush said that Iran “was a threat and is a threat” and the US has never given up its military option.
Israeli officials have also leaked a plan to show the visiting president intelligence data to refute the US National Intelligence Estimate’s claim that Iran gave up its nuclear arms program in 2003.
Over the weekend, supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s senior adviser Ali Larijani went from Cairo to Damascus to discuss the Lebanese crisis. This was meant as a signal to Washington that the problem was susceptible to diplomatic engagement. But when the Iranians heard the Bush interview, they decided to show muscle instead and launched the naval incident in the Strait of Hormuz.
While possibly a coincidence, the naval provocation occurred at the same time as al Qaeda’s American spokesman called on the region’s Muslim to greet the visiting US president with bombs. The two events have combined to add fuel to the climate in the region preparing to welcome President Bush.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4916
It's a war zone, there is the Iranian side and the US side. You can bet all military personal is ordered not to comment on the matter to anyone. It’s not like I didn’t expected your naivety. With all of the vetting, screening, censoring, misinformation, lying of news from this military action, you actually accept with out question these government reports?
update
Video released of Iranian boats
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Video released of Iranian boats
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I have refrained from commenting on this because this incident seems...."strange"....can't put my finger on exactly why yet.
as a former tin can sailor these types of incidents were par for the course whether in the GIUK gap or up around the Kola peninsula fuckin' with the Soviets or transiting the Straits of Hormuz with the Iranians fuckin with us in their small boats. This was back in the 80's, so why all the huffing and puffing with a dash of indignation now?
I'm sure this isn't the first time it's happened since the war began. The reasons put forth by the article QueEx posted appears plausible but it's to early to tell.
I'm gonna give it a little more time before I make a half-assed opinion.
as a former tin can sailor these types of incidents were par for the course whether in the GIUK gap or up around the Kola peninsula fuckin' with the Soviets or transiting the Straits of Hormuz with the Iranians fuckin with us in their small boats. This was back in the 80's, so why all the huffing and puffing with a dash of indignation now?
I'm sure this isn't the first time it's happened since the war began. The reasons put forth by the article QueEx posted appears plausible but it's to early to tell.
I'm gonna give it a little more time before I make a half-assed opinion.
Ask yourself this. If you had a million dollars, where could get the most out of it?
1. Texas
2. Connecticut
3. New York
4. California
Full 4:26 raw video of /US Iranian incident
Video and audio recordings of U.S. Navy ships in the Persian Gulf, and a voice speaking in heavily-accented English can be heard threatening that the American vessels were going to explode, military officials said.The Pentagon has released video footage of the confrontation between US and Iranian boats in the Gulf.
Video and audio recordings of U.S. Navy ships in the Persian Gulf, and a voice speaking in heavily-accented English can be heard threatening that the American vessels were going to explode, military officials said.The Pentagon has released video footage of the confrontation between US and Iranian boats in the Gulf.
Press TV airs Persian Gulf incident
Press TV has aired a footage released by the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) depicting the naval incident in the Persian Gulf.
The US had earlier claimed that IRGC speedboats had 'harassed' three US Navy warships in the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday, but Iran says the incident was ordinary.
The United States released its own version of the footage which has been termed by Iran as fake.
The IRGC told Press TV on Wednesday that the footage was compiled by file pictures and the audio is 'fabricated'.
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=38190§ionid=351020101
Press TV has aired a footage released by the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) depicting the naval incident in the Persian Gulf.
The US had earlier claimed that IRGC speedboats had 'harassed' three US Navy warships in the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday, but Iran says the incident was ordinary.
The United States released its own version of the footage which has been termed by Iran as fake.
The IRGC told Press TV on Wednesday that the footage was compiled by file pictures and the audio is 'fabricated'.
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=38190§ionid=351020101
Re: Press TV airs Persian Gulf incident
It may not be accurate, but a different perspective.
It may not be accurate, but a different perspective.
Re: Press TV airs Persian Gulf incident
Now will you say what I said when the media broadcasts Bush's statements.
Now will you say what I said when the media broadcasts Bush's statements.
Re: Press TV airs Persian Gulf incident
source: breitbart.tv
Hmmm, interesting.
source: breitbart.tv
IRAN RELEASES ITS OWN VIDEO OF US NAVY BOAT INCIDENT
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Hmmm, interesting.
update
source: breitbart.tv
IRAN RELEASES ITS OWN VIDEO OF US NAVY BOAT INCIDENT
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