BREAKING: Air Force FIRED

[QueEx]

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Air Force Times staff
Reported by USA TODAY
June 5, 2008

Air Force Secretary Michael W. Wynne and Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley are expected to be asked to resign Thursday, Air Force Times has learned.

The stunning development follows a series of high-profile scandals and disagreements between Air Force leadership and Defense Secretary Robert Gates in the past year, during which both the Pentagon and congressional leadership have increasingly expressed frustration about the Air Force's top bosses.

The last straw appears to be a report on nuclear weapons handling by Navy Adm. Kirkland Donald, director of naval nuclear propulsion. The critical report convinced Gates that changes must be made.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen recalled Moseley to Washington for an early-morning meeting Thursday. Moseley had been hosting a four-star conclave of top Air Force leaders at the thrice-yearly Corona leadership conference at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio. Following that meeting, Moseley returned to Corona with Air Force public affairs chief Brig. Gen. Darren McDew.

Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England is en route to Wright-Patterson, sources said. He is expected to meet with Wynne to ask for his resignation.

It is not clear how quickly these changes could take effect.

Navy Capt. John Kirby, Mullen's spokesman, declined to comment but did not deny the story.

It is not yet known who will succeed both men, but Air Force Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Duncan McNabb will likely become acting chief of staff.

Sources said other senior officers could also be relieved.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-06-05-airforce-staff_N.htm

 

[Young Sir]

yea.. i just saw this shit on tv... crazy

 

[VegasGuy]

What do you think QueEx? Some fall out from that McClellan book?

-VG

 

[Spectrum]

I wonder if this has anything to do with the speculation of possible attacks on Iran.. maybe fall out from not "falling in line". I have a hard time believing this is only because of "nuke fuses"...ok.enough of the speculation but it is problematic that this is Gates second firing of a service secretary in less than a year....

 

[Actor4Truth]

I wonder if this has anything to do with the speculation of possible attacks on Iran.. maybe fall out from not "falling in line". I have a hard time believing this is only because of "nuke fuses"...ok.enough of the speculation but it is problematic that this is Gates second firing of a service secretary in less than a year....

I herd gates was also pissed with the Air Force's "Lack of effort" in the Iraq campaign..! He wants the USAF to play a dramatically more active role..! Herd of operation Blue to Green.. They are paying cats in the USAF to switch to the Army..!!

 

[African Herbsman]

I wonder if this has anything to do with the speculation of possible attacks on Iran.. maybe fall out from not "falling in line". I have a hard time believing this is only because of "nuke fuses"...ok.enough of the speculation but it is problematic that this is Gates second firing of a service secretary in less than a year....

Bingo. Military critics of their Iran policy have been dropping like flies.

 

[Spectrum]

I herd gates was also pissed with the Air Force's "Lack of effort" in the Iraq campaign..! He wants the USAF to play a dramatically more active role..! Herd of operation Blue to Green.. They are paying cats in the USAF to switch to the Army..!!

Ok. I'm gonna have to read up more on this...thanks..

 

[GET YOU HOT]

A change in strategy, is critical for success. Apparently, they are obstacles in the war plan...

 

[bhunt]

Bingo. Military critics of their Iran policy have been dropping like flies.

You had Adm fallon not to long ago, now 2 more big dawgs dropping out. I'm betting the JCS will be next to go. I'm glad there is brass that can see through the bullshit, but they can only do so much. I don't even think the next pres has any say in this shit either

 

[GET YOU HOT]

Admiral William Fallon resigns as Commander of US Troops in the Middle East. His resignation created quite a storm amongst US military circles, as he was one of the strongest voices in the military against the Bush-Cheney Administration's goal of unilaterally attacking Iran.

What triggered Fallon's resignation was an interview in Esquire magazine, in which he stated rather bluntly that he would not support any such a military adventure. There is a very grave on-going split within the US Armed Forces on account of the gross political mismanagement of the war in Iraq. So much so, that last 25h of May, the Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Muller, had to order his troops not to have any political activism, and to respect the traditional neutrality of the US military in political matters.

Today, the Navy is very important in US military power structure, because any war against Iran will have the Navy as main player, at a time when the Army and other land forces are seriously bogged down in land operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.bilderberg.org/2008.htm

 

[younggiftedandblack]

Since I'm in the Air Force I guess I could comment on this.

They got fired for several reasons:

- A nuke was "lost" for several hours last year and ended up at another base.
- Someone "accidentally" shipped nuclear chargers to Tawain
- The SECDEF was getting pissed off about how he felt the Air Force wasn't
pulling it's weight when it came to Iraq
- They weren't fully on board about the plan to attack Iran

 

[R2daMFin'B]

Since I'm in the Air Force I guess I could comment on this.

They got fired for several reasons:

- A nuke was "lost" for several hours last year and ended up at another base.
- Someone "accidentally" shipped nuclear chargers to Tawain
- The SECDEF was getting pissed off about how he felt the Air Force wasn't
pulling it's weight when it came to Iraq
- They weren't fully on board about the plan to attack Iran

Please beleive it, this ain't no conspiracy type bullshit going on. This was cut and dry. Younggiftedandblack I know you know that AFSO 21 shit is killing the USAF.

 

[QueEx]

Please beleive it, this ain't no conspiracy type bullshit going on. This was cut and dry. Younggiftedandblack I know you know that AFSO 21 shit is killing the USAF.

What is AFSO 21 ???

 

[R2daMFin'B]

What is AFSO 21 ???

Cutbacks due to the cost of war, basically saving money by all means necessary, to include cutting personnel.

 

[QueEx]

Interesting.

QueEx

 

[QwietStorm]

Damn whats up with the thread title? I didn't know if some PERSON got fired or if the Air Force actually fired upon a platoon or something.

 

[J-BOOGIE]

Cutbacks due to the cost of war, basically saving money by all means necessary, to include cutting personnel.

Yeah, I heard about cats being forced to early retirement or getting kicked out for bullshit, just so that the Units and Squads overseas can get white printer paper and other new office supplies, LOL... USAF is supposed to be damned near broke, based on what a homie told me...

As for generals not online with the ummm, "future plans" of the administration? IF this is anything along those lines then it is only the beginning...

 

[SPECTRE1]

There is too many nuclear weapons and components in this country. No general can be held accountable for the idiotic policy decisions from the top.

There should be an assessment to determine the minimum amount of force needed to retaliate against a nuclear attack. Then stockpile this lower number, lowering the risk of mistatkes or sabotage.

 

[QueEx]

There is too many nuclear weapons and components in this country. No general can be held accountable for the idiotic policy decisions from the top.

Someone has to be accountable. And, if he/she can't handle the job, someone else has to. The orders from the top are quite simple: account for and maintain EVERY DAMN THING. Anything less is Pakistan.

There should be an assessment to determine the minimum amount of force needed to retaliate against a nuclear attack. Then stockpile this lower number, lowering the risk of mistatkes or sabotage.

What if the Number that we have is, that Number?

Even if 'The Number' is less than what we have, that Number still has to have perfect accountability, right?

QueEx

 

[younggiftedandblack]

The problem was Gen. Mosley and the SCEAF were more concerned with buying new expensive aircraft for a future showdown with either China or Russia. The SECDEF wasn't hearing none of that because we are ain't war with China or Russia. We are fighting a ground war in the Middle East and new fancy aircraft ain't cutting right now.

 

[QueEx]

The problem was Gen. Mosley and the SCEAF were more concerned with buying new expensive aircraft for a future showdown with either China or Russia. The SECDEF wasn't hearing none of that because we are ain't war with China or Russia. We are fighting a ground war in the Middle East and new fancy aircraft ain't cutting right now.

I don't know what the problem really is and I have not been following the Air Force of late to know. However, generally speaking, the services are constantly developing the new while fighting with the old. If not, one day in the future they would wish they had. No?

QueEx

 

[younggiftedandblack]

True, but the SECDEF wants the services to devote most of their efforts on the wars we are fighting now. Not one we may/may not see in the future. Yes the AF needs new airframes. But at what cost? Do you sacrifice the present for the future? I mean we were literally kicking people out to free up money to pay for new planes. Secretary Gates put a stop to all of that.