Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US

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Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
Hilary Brueck
5 hours ago


A supporter of President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro holds a large box of box of Ivermectin at Esplanada dos Ministérios on May 15, 2021 in Brasilia, Brazil. Andressa Anholete/Getty Images
  • In Brazil, ivermectin is a commonly prescribed anti parasitic drug.
  • Early on in the pandemic, Brazilians thought that ivermectin might also help treat and prevent COVID-19.
  • But, as one ICU doctor put it: "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."
Brazilians used to spend around $30 a head on what they called the "kit COVID."

It was a mix of vitamins and other pills that President Jair Bolsonaro touted as early treatments for COVID-19, well before vaccines became widely available to prevent and minimize coronavirus infections.

Among the "kit" drugs were the malaria pill hydroxychloroquine and the antiparasitic tablet ivermectin.

Brazilian authorities even at one point launched an app, called TrateCov, ("TreatCov[id]" in English) which recommended the same seven "kit" drugs to all its users. (The evidence base for that protocol leaned heavily on data from Dr. Flávio Cadegiani, who's now a member of the FLCCC, a US-based ivermectin propaganda machine.)

But Brazilians quickly discovered — through heart-wrenching personal experience — the limits of treating COVID-19 with ivermectin. Brazil suffered some of its worst death rates yet in late 2020 and early 2021, even in heavily ivermectin-dosed areas, as the more transmissible P1 variant spread quickly across the country.

"Look at what happened in Brazil," Natália Taschner, a Brazilian microbiologist and research scholar at Columbia University in New York City, said. "Then wonder: if this drug worked, would Brazil be in such bad shape?"

Entire cities took ivermectin — it didn't work

A COVID-19 cemetery in Manaus, Brazil, on November 21, 2020. Michael Dantas/AFP via Getty Images
The ivermectin strategy was once so popular in Brazil that entire towns tried it out. (Ivermectin is cheap and available in pharmacies across the country.)

In July of 2020, ivermectin was available for free to all residents of Itajai, to the tune of around $826,000 USD in government spending. The Mayor of Itajai, physician Volnei Morastoni, said at that time that ivermectin was but "one more weapon in our war against the coronavirus."

As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure.

Other patients were unknowingly given the "kit" drugs by doctors in private hospitals instead of more standard treatments — and some of them died.

"The [ivermectin] prescription practices didn't upend the tragedy of COVID here in Brazil in terms of preventing infections, preventing hospitalizations, and then preventing deaths," Dr. Kevan Akrami, an infectious disease and critical care physician working in the northeastern city of Salvador, said. "Whether somebody was taking it or not didn't seem to have any impact on whether or not they got hospitalized or ended up dying from their COVID infection."

The use of ivermectin might have contributed to COVID deaths in other ways, researchers suspect, as some people who assumed they were well protected from infection by ivermectin tossed aside their masks.

"There was a political promotion behind it, to make people feel safe, so that they would continue with their regular life," Taschner said.

Hospitals in Manaus ran out of oxygen in January, as the area recorded one of the highest death rates in the world.

'I have cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU'
ICU Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio at work in Porto Alegre, Brazil, July 2021. Courtesy of Ana Antonio.
Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio, who works at a government hospital in Porto Alegre, Brazil, told Insider many of her ICU patients took ivermectin in the spring — some trying to prevent COVID-19, others "to early treat their first symptoms."

Their strategy didn't work.


In fact, Antonio estimated roughly 70% of her ICU patients admitted during the country's deadly second wave (in late 2020 and early 2021) had taken ivermectin, and "I regret to say most of those patients have died," she said.

About half of all her critically ill patients died, and 80% of ventilated patients didn't make it, regardless of whether they'd tried ivermectin.

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She called the heartbreak of the situation "indescribable."

"I've never seen so many young and previously healthy patients dying," she said. "I have already cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU for COVID-19."


Antonio was telling the wives of patients "my husband's age," with "children like mine," that their spouse was dead.

She worried about getting her own family sick, including her husband who wasn't a health care worker, and therefore was ineligible for vaccination at the time. (He's now vaccinated, she said.)

Brazilians now want vaccines, not more ivermectin
Brazilians protest against their president, Jair Bolsonaro, demanding vaccines and calling attention to the more than 200,000 people killed by the coronavirus in Brazil, on January 8, 2021 in Brasilia. (The current death toll from COVID-19 in the country is near 600,000). Sergio Lima/AFP via Getty Images
Attitudes about ivermectin have quickly changed in the months since then.

"In the absence of evidence, we'll try certain things," Akrami said. "But at this point in the pandemic, we really don't have any reason to continue prescribing ineffective medications for prophylaxis or treatment."


The "kit" which was once widely prescribed (and self-dosed) in Cuiaba, Macapá, Natal, and Manaus, is now being thrown out by the government. Brazil has a new health minister — a cardiologist who replaced a military general — and vaccines are more widely available.

"We've seen a huge decrease in the number of cases and the number of hospital admissions," Antonio said of the period since vaccinations began. "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."

More than 9 in 10 Brazilians say they've been vaccinated, or intend to get their shots, according to a May 2021 poll.

"Across political divides, most people still are being rational and saying, 'I should get vaccinated to protect myself,'" Akrami said. "There's a pretty proud tradition of getting vaccinated here. It's kind of seen as like your civic duty."


Itajai Mayor Morastoni's Facebook page is peppered with celebrations of vaccine milestones in his city, and information on how and where to get vaccinated. (He hasn't mentioned ivermectin once on his page since vaccinations started being administered to health care workers in his city in January.)

"People are tired of all the lies, and the manipulation, and the promotion of miracle cures that they realize don't work," Taschner said.

It's possible ivermectin could one day play a small role in COVID-19 treatment, but it's not looking terribly promising
Indigenous Kaimbe, Vanusa Costa Santos is inoculated with the CoronaVac Sinovac Biotech COVID-19 vaccine at a hospital in Sao Paulo, Brazil, on January 17, 2021. Nelson Almeida/AFP via Getty Images
Major health agencies (including the World Health Organization and US National Institutes of Health) have yet to weigh in definitively on whether ivermectin works to prevent or treat COVID-19.

More conclusive studies are on the way, but the most recent rigorous research of ivermectin for COVID-19 doesn't look promising.


The Brazilian government has issued new protocols for COVID-19 treatment, which recommend against using ivermectin in hospitalized patients, because they say there isn't good evidence it does anything.

"It might look interesting," Antonio said, referencing studies showing that ivermectin can kill COVID-19 in a petri dish, "but in humans, you have plenty of complex pathways competing for the virus in your body."

It is still possible that, in combination with other drugs, the antiparasitic could be one item used in a multi-layered system of treatment for COVID, perhaps to speed recovery in the early stages of disease.

But other early treatment options, like Merck's new pill, appear far more promising in human trials.


Take note, US and UK
Ivermectin is used to treat animals and people. Usually, it's for deworming. AP Photo/Mike Stewart, AP Photo/Ted Warren
It is "to my surprise," Antonio said, that countries including the US and UK are "becoming crazy for" ivermectin now, with weekly prescriptions for the drug surging more than 2,300% across the US since before the pandemic, according to August data from the CDC.

"I really thought it was exclusive Brazilian stuff," she said.

When fear and frustration abound, it's tempting to put one's faith in a simple pill or a kit that promises to erase all suffering.

But "we're not snake oil salesman anymore," Akrami said.


Instead, the best medical care today is informed by rigorous research that examines which treatments actually work to improve a patient's status.

"'What's the harm?' is usually the argument," Taschner said of the common refrains given for using unproven treatments like ivermectin. "The harm is it gives people a false impression of security. It makes them feel safe when they are not safe. It drives people away from what really makes them safe, and that's vaccination."

"Take a hard look at Brazil, realistically," she said, "and then come to your own conclusions."
 
I am always interested in a few things before drawing conclusions like how are they administering the drug? Where is the source of ivermectin is coming from?





The International Journal of Immunopathology & Pharmacology today published the FLCCC physicians’ detailed review of the different clinical stages of COVID-19, pinpointing the treatment that needs to be tailored to each specific phase.
 
https://www.businessinsider.com/bra...for-covid-frenzy-warning-to-us-experts-2021-9

Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say
Hilary Brueck
5 hours ago


A supporter of President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro holds a large box of box of Ivermectin at Esplanada dos Ministérios on May 15, 2021 in Brasilia, Brazil. Andressa Anholete/Getty Images
  • In Brazil, ivermectin is a commonly prescribed anti parasitic drug.
  • Early on in the pandemic, Brazilians thought that ivermectin might also help treat and prevent COVID-19.
  • But, as one ICU doctor put it: "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."
Brazilians used to spend around $30 a head on what they called the "kit COVID."

It was a mix of vitamins and other pills that President Jair Bolsonaro touted as early treatments for COVID-19, well before vaccines became widely available to prevent and minimize coronavirus infections.

Among the "kit" drugs were the malaria pill hydroxychloroquine and the antiparasitic tablet ivermectin.

Brazilian authorities even at one point launched an app, called TrateCov, ("TreatCov[id]" in English) which recommended the same seven "kit" drugs to all its users. (The evidence base for that protocol leaned heavily on data from Dr. Flávio Cadegiani, who's now a member of the FLCCC, a US-based ivermectin propaganda machine.)

But Brazilians quickly discovered — through heart-wrenching personal experience — the limits of treating COVID-19 with ivermectin. Brazil suffered some of its worst death rates yet in late 2020 and early 2021, even in heavily ivermectin-dosed areas, as the more transmissible P1 variant spread quickly across the country.

"Look at what happened in Brazil," Natália Taschner, a Brazilian microbiologist and research scholar at Columbia University in New York City, said. "Then wonder: if this drug worked, would Brazil be in such bad shape?"

Entire cities took ivermectin — it didn't work

A COVID-19 cemetery in Manaus, Brazil, on November 21, 2020. Michael Dantas/AFP via Getty Images
The ivermectin strategy was once so popular in Brazil that entire towns tried it out. (Ivermectin is cheap and available in pharmacies across the country.)

In July of 2020, ivermectin was available for free to all residents of Itajai, to the tune of around $826,000 USD in government spending. The Mayor of Itajai, physician Volnei Morastoni, said at that time that ivermectin was but "one more weapon in our war against the coronavirus."

As infection rates soared, some people were taking excessively high doses of the medicine every day, hoping to stave off COVID-19, but in a few rare cases that move prompted liver failure.

Other patients were unknowingly given the "kit" drugs by doctors in private hospitals instead of more standard treatments — and some of them died.

"The [ivermectin] prescription practices didn't upend the tragedy of COVID here in Brazil in terms of preventing infections, preventing hospitalizations, and then preventing deaths," Dr. Kevan Akrami, an infectious disease and critical care physician working in the northeastern city of Salvador, said. "Whether somebody was taking it or not didn't seem to have any impact on whether or not they got hospitalized or ended up dying from their COVID infection."

The use of ivermectin might have contributed to COVID deaths in other ways, researchers suspect, as some people who assumed they were well protected from infection by ivermectin tossed aside their masks.

"There was a political promotion behind it, to make people feel safe, so that they would continue with their regular life," Taschner said.

Hospitals in Manaus ran out of oxygen in January, as the area recorded one of the highest death rates in the world.

'I have cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU'
ICU Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio at work in Porto Alegre, Brazil, July 2021. Courtesy of Ana Antonio.
Dr. Ana Carolina Antonio, who works at a government hospital in Porto Alegre, Brazil, told Insider many of her ICU patients took ivermectin in the spring — some trying to prevent COVID-19, others "to early treat their first symptoms."

Their strategy didn't work.


In fact, Antonio estimated roughly 70% of her ICU patients admitted during the country's deadly second wave (in late 2020 and early 2021) had taken ivermectin, and "I regret to say most of those patients have died," she said.

About half of all her critically ill patients died, and 80% of ventilated patients didn't make it, regardless of whether they'd tried ivermectin.

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She called the heartbreak of the situation "indescribable."

"I've never seen so many young and previously healthy patients dying," she said. "I have already cared for many patients who took ivermectin and were still in the ICU for COVID-19."


Antonio was telling the wives of patients "my husband's age," with "children like mine," that their spouse was dead.

She worried about getting her own family sick, including her husband who wasn't a health care worker, and therefore was ineligible for vaccination at the time. (He's now vaccinated, she said.)

Brazilians now want vaccines, not more ivermectin
Brazilians protest against their president, Jair Bolsonaro, demanding vaccines and calling attention to the more than 200,000 people killed by the coronavirus in Brazil, on January 8, 2021 in Brasilia. (The current death toll from COVID-19 in the country is near 600,000). Sergio Lima/AFP via Getty Images
Attitudes about ivermectin have quickly changed in the months since then.

"In the absence of evidence, we'll try certain things," Akrami said. "But at this point in the pandemic, we really don't have any reason to continue prescribing ineffective medications for prophylaxis or treatment."


The "kit" which was once widely prescribed (and self-dosed) in Cuiaba, Macapá, Natal, and Manaus, is now being thrown out by the government. Brazil has a new health minister — a cardiologist who replaced a military general — and vaccines are more widely available.

"We've seen a huge decrease in the number of cases and the number of hospital admissions," Antonio said of the period since vaccinations began. "We Brazilians had to learn in the hardest way that ivermectin didn't work."

More than 9 in 10 Brazilians say they've been vaccinated, or intend to get their shots, according to a May 2021 poll.

"Across political divides, most people still are being rational and saying, 'I should get vaccinated to protect myself,'" Akrami said. "There's a pretty proud tradition of getting vaccinated here. It's kind of seen as like your civic duty."


Itajai Mayor Morastoni's Facebook page is peppered with celebrations of vaccine milestones in his city, and information on how and where to get vaccinated. (He hasn't mentioned ivermectin once on his page since vaccinations started being administered to health care workers in his city in January.)

"People are tired of all the lies, and the manipulation, and the promotion of miracle cures that they realize don't work," Taschner said.

It's possible ivermectin could one day play a small role in COVID-19 treatment, but it's not looking terribly promising
Indigenous Kaimbe, Vanusa Costa Santos is inoculated with the CoronaVac Sinovac Biotech COVID-19 vaccine at a hospital in Sao Paulo, Brazil, on January 17, 2021. Nelson Almeida/AFP via Getty Images
Major health agencies (including the World Health Organization and US National Institutes of Health) have yet to weigh in definitively on whether ivermectin works to prevent or treat COVID-19.

More conclusive studies are on the way, but the most recent rigorous research of ivermectin for COVID-19 doesn't look promising.


The Brazilian government has issued new protocols for COVID-19 treatment, which recommend against using ivermectin in hospitalized patients, because they say there isn't good evidence it does anything.

"It might look interesting," Antonio said, referencing studies showing that ivermectin can kill COVID-19 in a petri dish, "but in humans, you have plenty of complex pathways competing for the virus in your body."

It is still possible that, in combination with other drugs, the antiparasitic could be one item used in a multi-layered system of treatment for COVID, perhaps to speed recovery in the early stages of disease.

But other early treatment options, like Merck's new pill, appear far more promising in human trials.


Take note, US and UK
Ivermectin is used to treat animals and people. Usually, it's for deworming. AP Photo/Mike Stewart, AP Photo/Ted Warren
It is "to my surprise," Antonio said, that countries including the US and UK are "becoming crazy for" ivermectin now, with weekly prescriptions for the drug surging more than 2,300% across the US since before the pandemic, according to August data from the CDC.

"I really thought it was exclusive Brazilian stuff," she said.

When fear and frustration abound, it's tempting to put one's faith in a simple pill or a kit that promises to erase all suffering.

But "we're not snake oil salesman anymore," Akrami said.


Instead, the best medical care today is informed by rigorous research that examines which treatments actually work to improve a patient's status.

"'What's the harm?' is usually the argument," Taschner said of the common refrains given for using unproven treatments like ivermectin. "The harm is it gives people a false impression of security. It makes them feel safe when they are not safe. It drives people away from what really makes them safe, and that's vaccination."

"Take a hard look at Brazil, realistically," she said, "and then come to your own conclusions."

They can talk they ass off...the shit works..plain and simple...you back on your feet with in one day of taking the correct dosage.. brah
 
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Ivermectin users will learn the hard way
 
Lol at this article. Offers a doctors word that ivermectin doesn’t work, not a true study.

If someone were to get Covid today in the US, they would get a treatment of an anti-retro viral called remdesivir - look on the CDC website. Clinical trials have shown that remdesivir doesn’t work to help Covid patients and has potentially negative side effects. (see article below from Forbes). So why is the cdc saying it’s the only “approved” treatment for Covid?

Remdesivir is making the company billions, even though it doesn’t work. But doctors refuse to give patients ivermectin which has been proven safe and there is anecdotal evidence that it could help Covid patients.

 
By the way, the ivermectin debate is completely different than the vaccine debate.

The vaccine is a prophylactic measure to prevent serious Covid symptoms. Ivermectin is a treatment for those who have contracted Covid.

The government is clearly lying to us about ivermectin, and putting our fake news stories about how dangerous it is and how it’s a “horse dewormer”. They know that it has been given to humans 20 billion times without a single provable case of reported death and that the doctor who invented it (for humans) got the Nobel Prize.

The fact that the government is lying about ivermectin just makes people skeptical about what the govt is telling us about the vaccine.
 
the article is mind fuckery..

It downplays words like RARE INSTANCES....


but just a little bit of logic and you KNOW fuckery is afoot with this

big pharma hit piece on ivermectin..

About half of all her critically ill patients died, and 80% of ventilated patients didn't make it, regardless of whether they'd tried ivermectin.

They are literally telling you IVERMECTIN is MORE effective than VENTILATION....

Its saying HALF OF HER CRITICALLY ILL PATIENTS SURVIVED if they DIDNT NEED VENTILATION

meaning VENTILATION IS KILLING MORE PEOPLE THAN IVERMECTIN....

simple logic

makes that so fuckin obvious!!!

but hey.... end of the day..

you DO what you think is best for you.

I fo sho GOING TO DO WHATS BEST FOR ME!!

IMMUNE SYSTEM POWER UP!!!
 
Ivermectin out here...then saved my whole family...shit works... period..brah
BuH dOcTaH FoULchi an dA medeeuh sAiD tha OwnLy tHanG dAt wuRks iS da vaXine. hE CaInt Bee wRonG...heE Uh dOctAh. Eyes kNowS hiM aNd dOllah Bill gAyteS bEn rUnnin UrouNd fUh thA paSs deCKaDe talmbOut dEepoPulAteTion tha erF sTaRtin wiT aFricAh aN iNdiA bUh dEy haD uH chAngE uH harT beecUs of coViin...sea all wHitE pEebleS aiNt baD.
 
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Goddamn. I don't understand this no business having shit lately. Take IVERMECTIN or don't take IVERMECTIN. Get the VACCINE or don't get the VACCINE. Why are Katts so up each other's asses these day about what they want to or not put in their own bodies. It's big business and a money grab that has katts setup on divide and concord. Folks been smoking squares crack meth coke pills liquor for life and ain't no uproar online everyday about them. Fuck what they doing hold ya own nuts. Society full of Karens these days. Whatever floats your boat I guess. Katts gotta have something to bump heads about.
 
some ppl are mad that their savior miracle drug ivermectin didnt work for brazil :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: but now theyre attempting to clowning everything but their clown ass fuckery !! lets find new ways to keep the charade going ..
i keep laughing at the other response ,its like saying tylenol works to prevent pregnancy and its safe cos millions have taken tylenol and they didnt die , whats there to lose ?:hithead:
 
we haz the troofs dees gubmnets aint tryna tell us , they keeping the real troofs from us, we haz these websites with randos making claims and shit , the troofs be out there son, u listening to dat fauci dude, iknow better than them cos i got my degree on da facebook pages yahurmeh, from deez real doctors online
 
Lol at this article. Offers a doctors word that ivermectin doesn’t work, not a true study.

If someone were to get Covid today in the US, they would get a treatment of an anti-retro viral called remdesivir - look on the CDC website. Clinical trials have shown that remdesivir doesn’t work to help Covid patients and has potentially negative side effects. (see article below from Forbes). So why is the cdc saying it’s the only “approved” treatment for Covid?

Remdesivir is making the company billions, even though it doesn’t work. But doctors refuse to give patients ivermectin which has been proven safe and there is anecdotal evidence that it could help Covid patients.

where is the TRUE double blinded study that ivermectin works ? this is about ivermectin...stay on topic
 
where is the TRUE double blinded study that ivermectin works ? this is about ivermectin...stay on topic
That’s the point. There’s no study proving that it does or it doesn’t. The only people capable of doing a study is either the govt or drug companies.

If the govt wants to say that it doesn’t work, prove it.

What they are doing now is saying there is “no evidence” that it works and then not studying it.
 
Just bury the fat booty one face down so the last thing we see….














Lemme stop right there. :smh: That was gon be in poor taste. Not everything is funny. We all know God don’t like ugly. Carry on without me BGOL. Carry on.
 
That’s the point. There’s no study proving that it does or it doesn’t. The only people capable of doing a study is either the govt or drug companies.

If the govt wants to say that it doesn’t work, prove it.

What they are doing now is saying there is “no evidence” that it works and then not studying it.
countless studies have been done (and are still being done becos some folks wont give up on their hope it might so they have to keep finding new facilities in hopes it'll help them prove their wishes true), and validate their conspiratorial crap and hopefuly help to rehabilitate orange's base image , fyi theres still ppl pushing hydroxy till this day !
 
countless studies have been done (and are still being done becos some folks wont give up on their hope it might so they have to keep finding new facilities in hopes it'll help them prove their wishes true), fyi theres still ppl pushing hydroxy till this day !
Show me a single double blind study that conclusively shows ivermectin doesn’t work
 
Got me some IVM on deck just in case it's needed. The media and government will shit on anything other than the experimental shots. They want that shit in your body in a bad way. Shit is wierd.
 
Show me a single double blind study that shows ivermectin doesn’t work.

I can show you one that shows remdesivir doesn’t work. That’s what the cdc has on its website as the only “approved” treatment for Covid.
 
Show me a single double blind study that shows ivermectin doesn’t work.

I can show you one that shows remdesivir doesn’t work. That’s what the cdc has on its website as the only “approved” treatment for Covid.
my question is about IVERMECTEEEEEENN!
 
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