Rick Ronson
Banned
Satan is a selfish bitch.
If there was ever a mothafucka who gave zero fucks.....
Thats him
If there was ever a mothafucka who gave zero fucks.....
Thats him
Blacks would be FREE today had we followed SATAN
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Not at all... I am a fool... I say this over and over... I would love to discuss things here... back and forth doesn't entertain me... I have been critical of you Fuzzy as well and i am glad you saw it for what it was... just me giving my meaningless opinion on your opinion... nothin personal.. you are a religious dude I respect that... others are anti-religious... I respect them as well... why can't we speak our minds respectfully
Yes. How you look at it depends on what your actions would be.
1. I'm looking at it from a group stand point. I'm imagining group had leaders with this way of thought when dealing with other groups. I'm imaging leaders practicing satanic and commonsense principles. Much like our society today. The leaders don't adhere to the rules they have us follow. They can do pre-emptive strikes against nations, but let me go pre-emptive strike my neighbor. I'll be under the jail.
2. From my viewpoint, white supremacy wouldn't have spread if Europeans met people with competent leadership. Leadership with "satanic views" wouldn't have slipped up like others did.
We can hate America's elite leadership all we want, but they aren't going to let someone come fuck us over.
1. I never considered it from that point of view... thinking it over now... I can see what you mean because yes... this is pretty much our/USA foreign policy.. I still DISAGREE with the moral and practical practice but I see what you mean and imo you have a valid point...
disclaimer: our 'leaders' practicing luciferian and satanic principles isn't outside the realm of possibilities to me
2. I still think this is an unlikely meeting because in practice those principles are suicidal... but to entertain the notion I equate it to the nuclear arms race... russia's stockpiling nukes does deter nuclear war in a sense... but it also makes nuclear holocaust a real probability ... so it is too much of a high stakes game imo... or rather more pedestrian: the right to bear arms to some is the best way to fight crime... I am of the make all arms illegal and stop manufacturing them...
A powerful ally often becomes a powerful enemy... as we are seeing now... America went from policing the world to policing our freedoms... now the government/military is almost like a malignant cancer but I digress
Dude ... this is turning way too petty...
I didn't call you a retard or slow ... so there is no irony in me making grammatical errors man... you understand?
I asked you what you meant not why you asked... maybe I am too retarded for you to understand me... either way I don't care to know no more... cause I can't mess wit you being hella aggressive and saying pretty much nothin... so congrats you win
You have defeated and bested me sir ... I am no match for you ... let's leave it at that ... have a good day brother...
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From the beginning you were coming off aggressive after being asked a question and assuming I was implying that you didn't read.
But if this is your way of being like fuck that I'm the bigger person. I didn't start this petty squabble. Have at it. Aggression came from you saying some bs about me following the devil and being able to be talked into the KKK, which was some stupid shit. But good day sir.
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Listen you stupid motherfucker
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU BE TALKING ABOUT..
Aye bgols Jehovah's witness stop knocking on my door
Your not here for discussion your here to boast your stupidity disguised as intellect and act as if you've won victories of religion on a porn board
"sad existence" its clear to me your rhetoric bounces around in that water head of yours..I'm quite sure your rhythmless and your timing is off if you were a plant you'd have no chloroform in reality your Satan you preach his word routinely .....
Not at all... I am a fool... I say this over and over... I would love to discuss things here... back and forth doesn't entertain me... I have been critical of you Fuzzy as well and i am glad you saw it for what it was... just me giving my meaningless opinion on your opinion... nothin personal.. you are a religious dude I respect that... others are anti-religious... I respect them as well... why can't we speak our minds respectfully
1. I never considered it from that point of view... thinking it over now... I can see what you mean because yes... this is pretty much our/USA foreign policy.. I still DISAGREE with the moral and practical practice but I see what you mean and imo you have a valid point...
disclaimer: our 'leaders' practicing luciferian and satanic principles isn't outside the realm of possibilities to me
2. I still think this is an unlikely meeting because in practice those principles are suicidal... but to entertain the notion I equate it to the nuclear arms race... russia's stockpiling nukes does deter nuclear war in a sense... but it also makes nuclear holocaust a real probability ... so it is too much of a high stakes game imo... or rather more pedestrian: the right to bear arms to some is the best way to fight crime... I am of the make all arms illegal and stop manufacturing them...
A powerful ally often becomes a powerful enemy... as we are seeing now... America went from policing the world to policing our freedoms... now the government/military is almost like a malignant cancer but I digress
The practices on steroids are basically how whites dominated the world. There strategy was basically "do unto others before they can do unto you." As history has showed us, it's suicidal not to adapt. Leadership philosophies of other societies failed those societies big time.
It all comes down to leadership and what your leadership believes. It comes down to how they manage that society. Our leadership may profess xtian values, but they clearly follow a different philosophy when dealing with the world and citizens in their own country.
It hasn't been suicidal for white society, but the old ways that other societies followed have proven suicidal for them. Think of a Native American society where its leadership consulted with the fucking great spirit vs a white society where they consulted with real generals. One got basically wiped out because its belief system was negatively impacting leadership.
Whites were able to separate religion into spiritual horseshit separate from their other strategy.
Fuzzy_McNut
Banned
You on bgol. This ain't the spot to have intellectual discussions
Not at all... I am a fool... I say this over and over... I would love to discuss things here... back and forth doesn't entertain me... I have been critical of you Fuzzy as well and i am glad you saw it for what it was... just me giving my meaningless opinion on your opinion... nothin personal.. you are a religious dude I respect that... others are anti-religious... I respect them as well... why can't we speak our minds respectfully
1. I never considered it from that point of view... thinking it over now... I can see what you mean because yes... this is pretty much our/USA foreign policy.. I still DISAGREE with the moral and practical practice but I see what you mean and imo you have a valid point...
disclaimer: our 'leaders' practicing luciferian and satanic principles isn't outside the realm of possibilities to me
2. I still think this is an unlikely meeting because in practice those principles are suicidal... but to entertain the notion I equate it to the nuclear arms race... russia's stockpiling nukes does deter nuclear war in a sense... but it also makes nuclear holocaust a real probability ... so it is too much of a high stakes game imo... or rather more pedestrian: the right to bear arms to some is the best way to fight crime... I am of the make all arms illegal and stop manufacturing them...
A powerful ally often becomes a powerful enemy... as we are seeing now... America went from policing the world to policing our freedoms... now the government/military is almost like a malignant cancer but I digress
Fuzzy_McNut
Banned
Your on bgol.
Difference is I dnt discuss with y'all I talk down to y'all
Your on bgol.
I applaud BGOL.........:
I expected to click on page 4 of this thread and peep either somebody arguing with Lonestar, a Jay-Z illuminati discussion, or a fat bitch vs obese bch vs high BMI bch vs photoshop bch vs white bch vs Martian bch discussion........
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Props to fam for stayin on topic.....
Carry on....
I think I get you... and here is where I think out paradigms split off... I believe in the soul or spirit ... our ancestors believed the same thing... I don't believe in "one life" or "get it now before you die" ... so be it a bullet ... 2012 Maya or 15th century colonialist ... a successful life for me is to have no fear... not even of death ...
imo: so 'white people' have all the iPods and Ferraris... they oppress their brothers and sisters... ok ... that's them... just like the drug dealers and pimps in the hood ... I saw that life and I believed the life I chose (school and law abiding) was better.... I dunno if you follow all this rambling... but imo the bio-mechanical machine called flesh and bone isn't the end for me and I accept I could be dead wrong... but my experience on earth is that there is more to life than pleasure and profit...
btw: I am agnostic... I said it before but once you say 'soul' or spirit left-brainers and atheists tend to label and dismiss you
I understand your position, but I think it takes leaders who do not buy into it for you to have it. You need leaders who believe in the here and now to allow you to continue to think that.
That's where I feel cultures lost. They had leaders who believed there was more to this and couldn't accept there was a chance there wasn't. The successful culture allows your belief to exist, but it doesn't gamble the whole culture on it.
If you believe in some "I exist for ever as a thinking being" shit, you really don't have much incentive to defend this earthly position. Although it is okay to con your followers into such belief, it is proven it sucks as a leadership thought process.
Let's not be so quick to crown western culture the 'winners' here... sure they have managed to dominate the resources and power ... but the whole 'live for today' is a fatally sharp double edged sword... We are more of a cancer to the planet than a master of our domain... even the most conservative republicans will admit that this current way of life is unsustainable/untenable
What is funny is that one could argue that the only reason that western civilization hasn't COMPLETELY turned this planet into a raw sewage dump is become of the Indians, Africans, Aborigines, etc insistence in treating the planet like a living being... tho we are paid little to no mind... the concept of 'mother earth' iirc is non-western thinking... so a harmony of the two is probably optimal... right now right brained thinking is on the back burner ... if you follow me...
side note:
idk if you are familiar with political science but you are touching on some of the things that the architechs of the governments touched on...
Thomas Hobbes
We became a cancer to the planet once we stepped out of hunter-gatherer state. That allows us to artificially increase our numbers. That eventually leads to the spread of "civilization" to other hunter-gatherers. It's only a matter of time before one of those groups advances "civilization" with "left-brained" thinking. Whites were "right brained" like everyone else when they were running around Europe hunting and gathering.
As we see from history, any people whose leaders can't separate religion from state are dominated by those who can. Some of those people were wiped off the face of the earth and are never, ever, ever coming back. That isn't winning.
Looking at history, it seems "right-brained" civilization can only thrive when there are relatively few civilizations to compete with. They also only thrive on a regional level. If whites didn't develop the ability to separate religion and state and use religion as a tool, another people would have eventually done so once "civilized" out of hunter-gatherer state.
You simply can't have your leaders following primitive religions and making decisions based on fucking spirits and other dumb shit. Those people can't compete with people who use religion as a tool for control. People who do something THEN bend belief to fit their actions.
Leaders following satanic principles would be "left-brain" thinking and would never allow their people to be fucked over. While white leaders were on some Apple shit, other leaders were on some stubborn ass RIM shit and refused to adapt. Look where that got everyone. Just like RIM, we can only talk about glory days of the past before someone came in and changed the game up.
kogalee
Banned
Some of you neeggas would rather be lead back to the white man, back to the devil than to come home to Almighty God Allah who came to us in the person of Master Fard Muhammad and his messenger the Holy and Honorable Elijah Muhammad who teaches us that all white people are devils!!!!!!
Allah ooh Akbar
Allah ooh Akbar
Never thought about it that way
If you believe in that shit then one must know that one can't exist w/o da other, they give each other relevance.
kinda like cops needing criminals.. hulk needing andre the Giant, coke needing pepsi
etc.
I am Muslim but as a former Christian I would dabble in a little Satanism from time to time and it was cool. Satan is actually cool to pray to sometimes. He's not as strict as God or Allah. If you think about it, God is always the one killing people in the Bible and the Koran. I can't think of any instance where Satan killed or mistreated anyone according to the holy books. ASA LAMA LAY CUM, MY NIGGAS!
black, brown, red and yellow people have been following satan (allegedly the white man) since adam and eve.
that's why we are in a fucked up position even today.
that's why we are in a fucked up position even today.
Fuzzy_McNut
Banned
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Yeah I realized that, read this cat Dev Samael had an article called 'the left hand path' written for the black lodge. That shit was very eye opening wish I had saved it.
Some of you niggas should seek help. This is why our children today are so lost.
switch roles it'll make more sense I promise
Don't it?
Samael: Doubt and Disbelief on the Left Hand Path
Alberto Brandi (Lodge Sothis - Italy)
Based on a lecture given during the Magical Week 2006
FOREWORD
This article deals with the process of doubting, questioning and disbelieving, a process that is at the same time a powerful and terrible tool in the hands of initiated magicians who walk the left hand path. These aspects of the dark side of the intellect are, in the course of this article, especially analyzed from a Samaelian initiatory perspective. We are asking ourselves some important questions in relation to this sphere.
The conclusions hereby presented, even though personal, may be of interest for all those practitioners of the vama marg who, in the lifelong quest for the Diamond, will find themselves stuck into the perilous yet fascinating web of doubt and disbelief.
Why the initiate meets Samael, the Poison of God, the Qliphah which questions God and its creation, at such a relatively early stage? If the poison is what destroys the old structures and erases the limits of moralistic boundaries, why isn't it a final goal, but rather a gate? What lies hidden deep beneath the dark elixir of doubt and venom that is inside the cup of Samael?
Sincere thanks go to all the people who participated during the lecture and provided deep insights about this matter that contributed to the further development of the subject.
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What is doubt? How can we define the nature of the act of doubting? Seemingly, doubt cannot subsist by itself and cannot feed on its essence. To exist, doubt must rely on an object, just like the beholder cannot exist without what is observed.
This is why doubting and questioning has always been one of the main tools of the left hand path. Satan is the adversary, Set is the opponent rival of Horus, Loki is the trickster: none of these forces follow and obey the existing structures, but rather they seek to destroy and change them, turn the static into dynamic.
As such, the dark magical adept can use disbelief and doubt to erase the existing structures that he has absorbed and been fed with since birth; magic brings with itself the need of making every action conscious, therefore leading the adept to question everything around him. Doubt can in this way help to overcome the values and the superstitions of religion and of today's materialistic and soulless society, giving to the individual an alternate way of thinking and acting, far away from both materialism and monotheistic/dogmatic spirituality. Its essence lies at the core dept of the teachings of the vama marg , the left, inverted, "wrong" way that lies outside the ordered path of light, far away from the frame of the ordinary mundane and spiritual structures.
Obviously - on the other hand - doubt alone cannot be the foundation of the magical path, it's only an useful magical accessory. Because there lies the main difference between magic and religion: faith is the acceptance of knowledge bestowed by a dogma, while magic is the knowledge that breeds from experience and personal, active exploration of the mysteries.
It is here that the two-edged sword of disbelief can strike with its strongest blow. This especially can happen when the adept has successfully erased and de-constructed the old structures. The moment when the magician crosses the gates of Lilith is a very delicate one; one has stepped beyond the threshold of the mundane, rejecting the old to embrace the darkness, and the debris of the old certainties are forming the basis for new conceptions bred from magical practice and speculation about the dark mysteries. It's at this point that doubt can act, working as an acid: once the heavy burden of stale spirituality and morality has been consumed, the new 'truths' and structures are attacked and corroded. The magician may face a deep and strong questioning of one's abilities, of the "reality" of magic - especially during dark periods and the normal, periodical lack of results -, of one's focus on the long journey and dedication demanded by the Path.
What happens now? This is the fundamental turning point for all dark magic.
Many individuals and organizations just get stuck here. Doubt and disbelief may become the main focus, the core of one's view of existence and the cosmos; and when doubt has become the dominant belief system, it turns into metaphysical pessimism.
Many 'dark' or antagonist magical organizations, predominantly in the satanic area, have fallen into this kind of nihilist-doubtful thinking, where the tool has turned into a goal, where everything is questioned at the bottom core, eventually turning the direction of the organization itself toward an hardcore materialism, very close to what is provided by the "mundane society". At this level there is not a real quest for spiritual alchemy, but just an inversion of material values that becomes the central focus of the activities and belief systems of such groups.
We can try to provide an explanation of this deranged interpretation of an otherwise healthy antinomist attitude both on a spiritual and on a philosophical level. Who writes has noticed, in the course of the years, a peculiar attitude common to many individuals and organizations that advocate this sort of "left hand-materialism" or solipsism; that is, they seem to never have actually abandoned those structures they claim to fight (Christianity, slave morality, etc.): we often hear of "destroying the creation of God" or "revolting against God and the Hosts of Heaven, because what has God done for us?". This is a common element in satanic thinking: if God has forsaken us, why should we follow or praise him? Better revolt, indulge in everything He denies: pleasure, sex, etc.
This sounds more like the painful cry of an abandoned and troubled child rather than the proud war-hymn of a satanic revolutionary; furthermore, it shows that this alleged "adverse thinking" is nothing but " inverse thinking", just a view of common morality turned upside down, but not really overcome, burnt flat, trespassed. Magically, the poison has not paved the way for the new, it has just intoxicated the old.
If we see Maya, Lila, the mundane light structures as a jail from where we need to break free, we can consider the above mentioned, pessimistic attitude toward doubt as an escape route that is already pre-existing, maybe even made by our jailers. It is easier, we find it ready, but it leads where the maker of the route intend us to go.
The genuine left-hand path adept - instead - breaks free digging the tunnel with his own hands, helped by others who are breaking free with him and those who have done it in the past. It is an harder way, more painful, a long and difficult process, but it leads where the adept wants to go, and it is permanent, because one get acquainted with the process of escaping and creating at the same time. The poison of doubt is therefore one of the pivotal initiatory tools of the Draconian path. Not a limit, quite the opposite: a door opening on metaphysical freedom. Lilith is the gate to new worlds of darkness and beauty, Gamaliel the chalice that holds the poison and Samael when the poison is drunk in its totality.
And this poison serves not only to wipe out what is left of the old outside the magician, but especially to wipe out the structures inside of him: this is the real test. When the adept has become empty of what he believed his truths and certainties were, his real core is exposed. At this step, the individual, through a persevering magical practice and speculation, can find the conceptions and values that will really matter for him. If perseverance and deep focus are not properly exercised, high is the risk of the above mentioned fall into the pit of nihilism and materialism that such wandering in the black sea of philosophical uncertainty can cause.
Once cleansed and emptied by the rotting remnants of old belief systems, the adept doesn't need to invert or pervert old values: he has to re-create himself, and in this process he may even find again all the beliefs and values he previously had. This time they will be his values, recreated through the draconian forge. These are now independent from dogmas or imposed factors, thus they are stronger and "true" in a deeper, initiatory meaning of the term. Ethics has been erased to let the magician free to build his own flexible world view, knowing that it could change further in the course of the dynamic magical evolution.
Samael is the furnace that tests the magical integrity of the individual: it is the preparation to the complete and utter annihilation of the boundaries of consciousness, process that continues in depth in A'arab Zaraq - where the Ravens of Dispersion pick the bones of the magician clean - and finds the deepest level of this phase in Thagirion and the complete experience of the Daîmon.
The teachings of Samael show the adept that doubt and laughter are great weapons and at the same time show him that they are harmless: he teaches that the ultimate frontier is doubting the doubt itself. The only thing that counts on the draconian path is action - the rest is chatter that gets dispersed in the winds of nothingness. The word "power" has its etymological root in the Latin verb "possum", that not only points at the strength of doing something, but the possibility, the potentiality to achieve it. This is the secret of magical action and of the sharpening of the diamond, so that the Work of magic may defeat the Talk of the conscious mind.
http://heldrasil.dragonrouge.net/english/samael.html
Many Christians believe the Haitian revolution was successful because the black slaves rejected their white masters god (Jesus) and went back to their African spiritualism (Voodoo)
Many say actions speak louder than words
Many say actions speak louder than words
thats all