Blacks at Odds Over Scrutiny of Obama
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Re: The Key to Obama
Pretty much. Groupie fools can't, won't, don't, aint thinking straight.
Jeff Johnson says "black folks, in particular, get irritated"
when he calls for looking past "Obama the personality."
The commentator, who hosts a BET show, adds: "It starts
with acknowledging he's my president, and not my homie."
Pretty much. Groupie fools can't, won't, don't, aint thinking straight.
So much for the thin excuse that it's just about "criticizing" Obama's policies and not him personally.
Cuzzin Jeff has stepped up in a big way.
Exibit: A
Exhibit: B
Exhibit: C
Exactly. Alan Keyes is literally crazy. Even Republikkkans shake their head when he talks.Barack Obama himself says repeatedly that he SHOULD be held accountable by all citizens.Does any more really need to be said?
As far as what Keyes is talking about, he just comes across as bitter and ridiculous. Whatever.
My take is that those who supported Obama unconditionally are trapped.
They can't say or do anything but attack anyone who questions his policies, competence or whatever because they never extracted any political goodies from him in exchange for their support.
Point blank Obama's supporters messed up. You're trapped. He doesn't have to do a thing for the Black community. Y'all fell for the hype now you have no choice but to defend anything he does, attack anyone that opposes him, and sit down and be quiet when he ignores the issues of the Black community and spends trillions on the same rich people that his supporters once complained bitterly about.
They can't say or do anything but attack anyone who questions his policies, competence or whatever because they never extracted any political goodies from him in exchange for their support.
Point blank Obama's supporters messed up. You're trapped. He doesn't have to do a thing for the Black community. Y'all fell for the hype now you have no choice but to defend anything he does, attack anyone that opposes him, and sit down and be quiet when he ignores the issues of the Black community and spends trillions on the same rich people that his supporters once complained bitterly about.
Co-sign. Its just flat insults in the dialog that can only be good for protests, riots and lynching. Not for any kind of discourse, political or otherwise.
-VG
Obama may get the middle, but the systemic problems that cause a dysfunctional America will still exist. He needs to stop trying to appease his detractors and do what's right (correct)!
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Re: The Key to Obama
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Oh yeah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry-rTHOpgxE
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Oh yeah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry-rTHOpgxE
Detroit was in love with the hip hop mayor and he played them like a fiddle. Upon being discovered he claimed racism. He knew his voting base would accept that as his excuse.
Detroit's demise is the triumph of liberalism
Posted: February 13, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008
... I believe I'm on assignment from God in this position.
~ Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick
Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition.
~ Ann Coulter, "Slander" (2002)
Show me a monopoly (liberalism) and I'll show you a tyranny (Detroit).
As many of you may know, Detroit, or "Motown," has frequently been in the news as of late for many notorious reasons. The controversy centers primarily on Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, aka "America's first hip-hop mayor." If that moniker is true, there is a good reason why many adults over 40 despise this depraved, hip-hop thug culture.
Much has been written on the prurient aspects surrounding the text messages the mayor exchanged with his longtime lover and now ex-chief of staff, Christine Beatty. Some of these communications were released Jan. 23 after the Detroit Free Press obtained them via a Freedom of Information Act request.
New details of this evolving, epic scandal brings into the fray Birmingham, Mich., attorney Norman Yatooma, the lawyer representing the 14-year-old son of Tamara Greene, one of the exotic dancers at the mayor's Manoogian Mansion party who was later murdered in a drive-by shooting in front of her house. On Monday, attorney Yatooma submitted subpoenas in federal court for 18,000 city workers in his quest to find out why the party that lead to the murder of Tamara Greene was covered up by the mayor and his surrogates.
However, in this column I want to digress from the prurient to the political and philosophical, namely, is there some correlation between this Democrat mayor's personal failures and the collapse of liberalism in predominantly black cities across America?
(Column continues below)
What is liberalism? Generally, it is the political philosophy that the Leviathan State has all the answers to the intractable problems that have plagued mankind – from war, famine, pestilence, taxes, poverty, health care to race/racism, employment, discrimination, housing, economics, crime, law, education and the environment. I, too, believe that government has some role in addressing these concerns, but liberalism contends that not only is government the answer, it is the only answer.
Seventy-five years since FDR's "New Deal" and 40 years since Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" programs, these societal problems have only grown exponentially as shyster lawyers, craven bureaucrats and rapacious pols on both sides of the aisle cry for more tax dollars to fund more ever-expanding government programs. For over 100 years, activist liberal judges have despised the original intent of the Constitution's framers, creating case law allowing confiscated tax dollars taken from one group of people (producers) to be given to another group of people that didn't earn it (takers). Liberals call that "redistribution" or "socialism." I call that legalized thievery.
How does the failure of liberalism relate to our young black mayor here in Detroit? Mayor Kilpatrick, a liberal Democrat, was twice elected by a city that has the largest black population of any big city in America (88 percent). Like many big cities all over America, Detroit has been a singularly black city since the 1967 riots as whites (and many educated blacks) fled to the suburbs – and reminiscent of the majority whites had before them, black people robotically voted for skin color under the false presumption that a black person is intrinsically better to govern black people than any other race.
These racist and diabolical suppositions have brought tragic consequences both in Detroit and in large cities all over America as one black liberal Democrat mayor after another has generally left their cities in more catastrophic shape than when they took office, yet black people keep putting black liberals in office. This is irrational politics. This is the crisis of philosophy.
Liberalism achieves and maintains its power primarily by two means: first, perverting human nature and the Constitution – for instance, slavery, abortion and the "separation of church and state." To exist and to flourish, liberalism demands a strict separation between morality and public policy, which means that liberalism takes all of the Ten Commandments, distorts them, and bequeaths to society the "Ten Commandments of post-60's liberalism."
Second, liberalism divides and conquers. FDR (1933-45) won an unprecedented four terms as president not because he was one of the best presidents America has ever produced (the only "Roosevelt" enshrined on Mt. Rushmore is FDR's cousin, Theodore), but FDR was a master Machiavellian politician who perfected the art of "the end justifies the means."
FDR would do anything to win elections and wield political power. He built his bulletproof coalition of working-class white ethnics, New England elites, Hollywood, intellectuals, women, blacks, Jews, liberals, socialists, communists, anarchists and big-city machines like Tammany Hall in New York and later the Daly machine in Chicago – a formidable Democrat coalition that exists to this day.
Originally, I titled this column, "Detroit's demise is the failure of liberalism," which is of course true, but Detroit and other big cities' predicament is not so much the failure, but the triumph of liberalism, for if people are prospering, thriving and living intelligent, happy and moral lives, liberalism withers on the vine and dies.
Liberalism only prospers where there is angst, societal upheaval, cultural chaos, crime, apostasy, disorder, jealously, corruption and a zero-sum gain – the idea that all resources are finite, therefore if one group of people appears to be doing well, liberalism teaches another group that their success is at your expense and you've got to get even.
Because of liberalism alone, Detroit has languished in despair for over 40 years – Detroit is often the murder capital of America; 50 percent of Detroiters are functionally illiterate; only 22 percent of entering high school freshman actually graduate from the Detroit Public Schools. And if you're an African-American male, you have 73 percent unemployment in your 20s if you drop out of school and a 60 percent chance of going to jail. Seventy percent of all black births in America are outside of wedlock. Black women are 6 percent of the population, yet have over one-third (36 percent) of all abortions in America.
Where is the Congressional Black Caucus on these critical issues affecting their own people? Oh, that's right, the chair of the CBC is none other than Mayor Kilpatrick's mother, Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich., who has literally been in hiding since the text message scandal broke.
What good is a revitalized downtown Detroit if the people don't have the vision, discipline and intelligence to keep a city from becoming a ghetto throughout its neighborhoods?
Indeed, Mayor Kilpatrick did not originate all these ills affecting Detroit. These tribulations originated from antiquity. However, liberalism, which I call the separation of public policy from morality, is the controlling philosophy of the Democrat Party for the past 75 years and has helped to exacerbate these and many other evils plaguing black people in cities and towns across America.
Liberalism will continue to plague American society and culture until a Reagan, a Churchill or a Plato's philosopher-king rises up to lead America away from liberalism, away from socialism and lead the people back to Reason, back to personal responsibility and back to civilized government. Obama, Hillary and McCain cannot and will not do this.
Show me a monopoly (liberalism), and I'll show you a tyranny (Detroit).
Detroit's demise is the triumph of liberalism
Posted: February 13, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008
... I believe I'm on assignment from God in this position.
~ Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick
Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition.
~ Ann Coulter, "Slander" (2002)
Show me a monopoly (liberalism) and I'll show you a tyranny (Detroit).
As many of you may know, Detroit, or "Motown," has frequently been in the news as of late for many notorious reasons. The controversy centers primarily on Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, aka "America's first hip-hop mayor." If that moniker is true, there is a good reason why many adults over 40 despise this depraved, hip-hop thug culture.
Much has been written on the prurient aspects surrounding the text messages the mayor exchanged with his longtime lover and now ex-chief of staff, Christine Beatty. Some of these communications were released Jan. 23 after the Detroit Free Press obtained them via a Freedom of Information Act request.
New details of this evolving, epic scandal brings into the fray Birmingham, Mich., attorney Norman Yatooma, the lawyer representing the 14-year-old son of Tamara Greene, one of the exotic dancers at the mayor's Manoogian Mansion party who was later murdered in a drive-by shooting in front of her house. On Monday, attorney Yatooma submitted subpoenas in federal court for 18,000 city workers in his quest to find out why the party that lead to the murder of Tamara Greene was covered up by the mayor and his surrogates.
However, in this column I want to digress from the prurient to the political and philosophical, namely, is there some correlation between this Democrat mayor's personal failures and the collapse of liberalism in predominantly black cities across America?
(Column continues below)
What is liberalism? Generally, it is the political philosophy that the Leviathan State has all the answers to the intractable problems that have plagued mankind – from war, famine, pestilence, taxes, poverty, health care to race/racism, employment, discrimination, housing, economics, crime, law, education and the environment. I, too, believe that government has some role in addressing these concerns, but liberalism contends that not only is government the answer, it is the only answer.
Seventy-five years since FDR's "New Deal" and 40 years since Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" programs, these societal problems have only grown exponentially as shyster lawyers, craven bureaucrats and rapacious pols on both sides of the aisle cry for more tax dollars to fund more ever-expanding government programs. For over 100 years, activist liberal judges have despised the original intent of the Constitution's framers, creating case law allowing confiscated tax dollars taken from one group of people (producers) to be given to another group of people that didn't earn it (takers). Liberals call that "redistribution" or "socialism." I call that legalized thievery.
How does the failure of liberalism relate to our young black mayor here in Detroit? Mayor Kilpatrick, a liberal Democrat, was twice elected by a city that has the largest black population of any big city in America (88 percent). Like many big cities all over America, Detroit has been a singularly black city since the 1967 riots as whites (and many educated blacks) fled to the suburbs – and reminiscent of the majority whites had before them, black people robotically voted for skin color under the false presumption that a black person is intrinsically better to govern black people than any other race.
These racist and diabolical suppositions have brought tragic consequences both in Detroit and in large cities all over America as one black liberal Democrat mayor after another has generally left their cities in more catastrophic shape than when they took office, yet black people keep putting black liberals in office. This is irrational politics. This is the crisis of philosophy.
Liberalism achieves and maintains its power primarily by two means: first, perverting human nature and the Constitution – for instance, slavery, abortion and the "separation of church and state." To exist and to flourish, liberalism demands a strict separation between morality and public policy, which means that liberalism takes all of the Ten Commandments, distorts them, and bequeaths to society the "Ten Commandments of post-60's liberalism."
Second, liberalism divides and conquers. FDR (1933-45) won an unprecedented four terms as president not because he was one of the best presidents America has ever produced (the only "Roosevelt" enshrined on Mt. Rushmore is FDR's cousin, Theodore), but FDR was a master Machiavellian politician who perfected the art of "the end justifies the means."
FDR would do anything to win elections and wield political power. He built his bulletproof coalition of working-class white ethnics, New England elites, Hollywood, intellectuals, women, blacks, Jews, liberals, socialists, communists, anarchists and big-city machines like Tammany Hall in New York and later the Daly machine in Chicago – a formidable Democrat coalition that exists to this day.
Originally, I titled this column, "Detroit's demise is the failure of liberalism," which is of course true, but Detroit and other big cities' predicament is not so much the failure, but the triumph of liberalism, for if people are prospering, thriving and living intelligent, happy and moral lives, liberalism withers on the vine and dies.
Liberalism only prospers where there is angst, societal upheaval, cultural chaos, crime, apostasy, disorder, jealously, corruption and a zero-sum gain – the idea that all resources are finite, therefore if one group of people appears to be doing well, liberalism teaches another group that their success is at your expense and you've got to get even.
Because of liberalism alone, Detroit has languished in despair for over 40 years – Detroit is often the murder capital of America; 50 percent of Detroiters are functionally illiterate; only 22 percent of entering high school freshman actually graduate from the Detroit Public Schools. And if you're an African-American male, you have 73 percent unemployment in your 20s if you drop out of school and a 60 percent chance of going to jail. Seventy percent of all black births in America are outside of wedlock. Black women are 6 percent of the population, yet have over one-third (36 percent) of all abortions in America.
Where is the Congressional Black Caucus on these critical issues affecting their own people? Oh, that's right, the chair of the CBC is none other than Mayor Kilpatrick's mother, Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich., who has literally been in hiding since the text message scandal broke.
What good is a revitalized downtown Detroit if the people don't have the vision, discipline and intelligence to keep a city from becoming a ghetto throughout its neighborhoods?
Indeed, Mayor Kilpatrick did not originate all these ills affecting Detroit. These tribulations originated from antiquity. However, liberalism, which I call the separation of public policy from morality, is the controlling philosophy of the Democrat Party for the past 75 years and has helped to exacerbate these and many other evils plaguing black people in cities and towns across America.
Liberalism will continue to plague American society and culture until a Reagan, a Churchill or a Plato's philosopher-king rises up to lead America away from liberalism, away from socialism and lead the people back to Reason, back to personal responsibility and back to civilized government. Obama, Hillary and McCain cannot and will not do this.
Show me a monopoly (liberalism), and I'll show you a tyranny (Detroit).
Alan Keyes is a little out there.Exibit: A
Exhibit: B
Exhibit: C
Exactly. Alan Keyes is literally crazy. Even Republikkkans shake their head when he talks.
(1) Please post the link to any story, article, etc., posted in this forum.
(2) Why is this particular opinion piece posted in this thread ???
- Whats your point ?
- Whats the relationship between the thread and the op/ed piece ?
QueEx
World Net Daily Author Ellis Washington.
How many times Que have you seen "Our so called Leaders" be in a position to deliver and based on past experiences fail those whom they are elected to represent. I've been to numerous political events where our so called leaders blame others when they have been elected to represent a district for consecutive terms, and they are still blaming the previous administration. Many in Detroit stuck there heads into the ground while he ran once a beacon of America down the drain. Having said that, we as black America should be able to question the policies of Obama without the fear of being told we're self hating. The article I presented explains itself. It is a result of corruption without checks and balances.
As a side bar many of the articles you post are mere opinions as well. WHAT IS YOUR POINT. Citing an authors name to a newspaper article does not make it FACT.
I'm simply offering an alternative to some of your loaded posts. I can easily offer a one sided post and offer it as fact. Then all of a sudden, those who agree with you shake their heads like lemmings. This is a perfect example of what you expect from this community of posters. As long as I say the man has his foot on my neck am I ok? I would love to give you all of the stats and charts I have in two laptops my friend.You don't even need a link to know where this comes from. One of two places. Foxnews or WorldNet Daily Guaren damn tee you.
-VG
One of those instances where I felt less knowledgeable for having read it. (shouldn't have wasted my time
)Race/racism, black/white, liberal/conservative, inner-city/suburbs
This is a propaganda piece, designed to indoctrinate, not inform.
One of those instances where I felt less knowledgeable for having read it. (shouldn't have wasted my time
Race/racism, black/white, liberal/conservative, inner-city/suburbs
This is a propaganda piece, designed to indoctrinate, not inform.
Anything spurrious that you can point out? You probably didn't read it. Maybe if I held up a magical wand and said hope and change, quite possibly you would have seen the correlation between the two. My post are not intended to indoctrinate. Think outside of the box. I merely try to speak out against unproductive and regressive thought. I need you to agree with me. If you don't agree with my view post a rebuttal. If you can't compete in the realm of trading ideas why don't you stick to one of the boards this site offers that don't require complex thought.
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If someone wrote the sun had a liquid, chewy center, how do you rebut that?
If someone wrote Bush was Jesus Christ reincarnated, how do you rebut that?
If someone wrote the people of Detroit are bad, how do you rebut that?
If someone wrote blacks are inferior to whites, how do you rebut that?
It's their opinion but it doesn't mean I (nor anyone else) needs to read it.
With all due respect, we discuss opinions of reporters on this board everyday whom always give their spin on a story. For example reporters told us that a black man drowned susan smiths kids. We all know how that turned out.Our job as informed citizens is to go beyond the story and find out the real facts. If that's the case why did you even reply to this post!! Ok why don't you make a thread. I will respectfully read it and offer my opinion and provide support statements. Geez I'm just following a format that was provided.
Daily Kos, Huffington post. CBS,NBC,ABC? shall I go on?
First things first. I was right and I didn't even need to look. But are you giggling to say that story was published on those sites?
-VG
IN all due respect, quit making shit up. Reporters did NOT tell us a black man killed those kids. We all know what they said and before fox came along, reporters were NOT ALLOWED to make definitive judgments or embellish on stories particularly police matters. They said the police arrested a man they suspect was responsible based on the description given to them by Susan.
Quit passing on limbaughs bullshit as your own example of outside the box analysis. You guys got this ridiculous belief that you can say anything and because you claim that party, it's well reasoned. BULLSHIT.
-VG
Yes you were right. My point was that you and your drones have have your sources and I have mine. My point was to say what makes these sources and news stations credible. When we all know their ratings are horrible. I'm still wiring for your post Mr. Marxist. The reporters did the story. She told it. They should have done their job. Have you ever heard of inference?It's when the writer leaves it up to the reader to draw the conclusion. What was made up in the post? You have yet to dispel one point Mr. Washington made.
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Daily Kos, Huffington post. CBS,NBC,ABC? shall I go on?
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First, post a source to any article you post that is not yours.
Second, if you want intelligent commentary, post intelligent articles.
This...
Detroit's demise is the triumph of liberalism
has none of that. I may as well read a document extolling the virues of the KKK or eugenics. There is no value to it.
It makes no attempt at presenting both sides of the argument and making a case for one. All it does is say they are bad.
The subject of Detroit is an area for which I can be an informed observer. This article provides no information, no insight, and no objectivity.
In the case of this article, it's worthless as news, as a reference, as any reflection of its topic. It betrays an ignorance so profound as to call into question the very nature of the writer's existence as a journalist.
This is poor journalism, reflecting lazy writing.
Of course he wasn’t the first “colored” person to cry racism when he was caught
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You have to understand, Gunner like all so called conservatives/wing nuts thrive on rhetoric. I have asked him and others of his ilk did they vote for GW and where were they during first six years of the GW, republican congress and right dominated Supreme Court government and the last eight years of the Cheney/GW reign of terror. They throw labels around while avoiding specifics. They think they are being flippant, but the jig is up. They are playing themselves as fools. When the right is rendered totally impotent in the 2010 mid terms, they will revert to their mid 1990s “Turner Diaries”, militia hysteria fanning mode. The world is getting smaller and they are running out of places to hide!
Vegas, Thought and Cruise, your staunch political allegiance is quite telling. It's reveals that you all are comfortable within your collective wisdoms. To me its a cultural atmosphere that is a plague upon our community. Thought I know your passionate in your views, but despite your disdain for the vast right wing conspiracy, how has your allegiance to your philosophy aided our community? Many of our communities who can't afford the end result of your policies are stuck with leader who think like you. One of you guys mentioned Rush, Well none of your radio hacks can hold a candle to his 20 plus million daily listeners. What happened to Air Head America. Oh I forgot it failed due to the fact that no one wants to hear that garbage. Yes its fun exchanging ideas but in the grand scheme of things does it lift people out of poverty by making excuses for regressive behavior. In Malcolm X's Ballot or the Bullet. Although he did not care for either side of the aisle he stated " In Washington D.C., in the House of Representatives, there are 257 who are democrats; only 177 are republican. In the Senate there are 67 Democrats; only 33 are republicans. The Party you backed controls two-thirds of the house of representatives and the senate, and they still cant keep their promise to you, " cause you are a chump. Anytime you throw your weight behind a political party that controls two-thirds of the government, and that Party can't keep the promise that it made to you during election time, and you're dumb enough to walk around continuing to identify yourself with that party, you're not only a chump but a traitor to your race". He then goes on to speak about how liberals blame others for their shortcomings. www.americanrhetoric.com . Top 100 speeches. It's obvious that you guys rather reward allegiance over independent thinking. If you check the polling data from the 2004 election it is crystal clear that every race imply a balance across both parties even Latino's split their vote. Just this past election every race split their vote but ours. Thought in a post last week you cited the Huffington Post as a credible source well here you go.
The Huffington Post Slammed for Content Theft
By Ryan Singel December 19, 2008 | 2:42 pm | Categories: Media
The Huffington Post, a venture-capital-backed new media site that mixes links to other sites content with hundreds of celebrity and volunteer blogger posts, is being accused of slimy business practices by a handful of smaller publications who say the site is unfairly copying and publishing their content.
Whet Moser, an editor at alternata]ive weekly Chicago Reader wants to know why The Huffington Post’s newly formed Chicago-focused venture is stealing their copyrighted concert reviews and reprinting them in whole in order to get search engine traffic. And he found other examples taken wholesale from The Onion and Time Out Chicago.
Compare for example, the Chicago Reader’s Amanda Palmer review and The Huffington Post’s (screenshots if the pages change: Reader, The Huffington Post)
Moser writes:
You want to do a post that says, "According to Jessica Hopper, Bon Iver rules, check ‘em out, go here for the info," fine. But taking an entire concert preview is bush league. Doing it as a practice is just beneath contempt. If the future of journalism–which everyone keeps telling me The Huffington Post represents — is a bunch of search-engine optimization scams, we have bigger problems than Sam Zell’s bad investment strategies.
But The Huffington Post co-founder Jonah Peretti says the contretemps are overblown — that the complete re-printing was a mistaken editorial call and that The Huffington Post’s intention in aggregating other publications’ content is to send traffic their way.
"You tease, you pull out a piece of it, and then you have a headline or link out," Peretti said. "Generally publishers are psyched to have a link."
The headlines on The Huffington Post, he points out, link to the outside site, not to The Huffington Post page with the two to three paragraph excerpt of the other site’s copyrighted story. That page is accessible via the comment and "Quick Read" links, and serves as the "anchor" page for comments or for follow-up reporting by The Huffington Post staff.
Almost all of the readers click on the headlines and photos, according to Peretti, which means most don’t know the excerpt page exists since they get sent to the original site.
He compares The Huffington Post’s
influence on other sites traffic to that of link-voting sites like Digg and Reddit. Those sites, along with Google News and Slashdot, rely on small excerpts or user submitted summaries of online content in order to create lists of the best new content on the web.
But none of those aggregation sites, including Google News, uses as much of a percentage of copyrighted content as The Huffington Post does.
The Huffington Post, which launched in May 2005, drew 19 million unique visitors in November through the efforts of 27 editorial staff members, according to a spokesman. There’s just one editor for the
Chicago-focused project, which launched in August. The company just closed a $25 million funding round a few weeks ago.
Moser isn’t alone in his sentiments against The Huffington Post’s aggregation tactics. Nick Denton, the publisher of Gawker and other semi-famous blogs, hates the Huffington Post .
Kevin Allman, a New Orleans journalist and editor of Gambit Weekly, finds The Huffington Post’s idea of starting a whole series of city-focused aggregation sites hypocritical, especially given the site is named after Arianna Huffington, a popular, and now-liberal-leaning columnist.
In other words: professional newsgathering organizations have paid professional writers to do professional work, and then
Arianna comes in, creates links to their creations, and sells ads on her own page. How progressive.
But Peretti says some 95
percent of The Huffington Post’s traffic goes through the headline links, and that when The Huffington Post does original reporting or adds to a story, it changes a headline link to point to its content.
Otherwise, the Chicago project picks the ‘best’ stories from publications like the Chicago Tribune, the Sun Times and the Chicago Reader.
As for disgruntled publishers, Peretti seems genuinely perplexed and says The Huffington Post links should be good for them — and suggests that upset editors get in touch and build relationships with
Huffington Post editors.
Note: This piece originally linked to Gawker piece by Ryan Tate about the same issue, hyperlinked in the sentence "Nick Denton hates The Huffington Post". It has been removed in order to clear up any interpretation that Tate hates The Huffington Post or was told to write his post.
Let hear it for credible sources!!!!
The bottom line is point to me a community that is poverty infested that its leaders has adopted your views and did a 360. Has the education levels suddenly risen from the abyss? Has viable businesses move in without government intervention? Do the people own the real estate or are the renting? It is obvious that you guys only tread on forums where you can throw out your liberal views without having them challenged. You guys would be eaten alive with your look at me i'm a victim attitudes. It's like you'd rather settle for table scraps than showing your worth and earning your seat at the table.
W.E.B. Dubois once said, I sit with Shakespere and he winces not. Meaning he is able to hold his own without condescension from others.
The Huffington Post Slammed for Content Theft
By Ryan Singel December 19, 2008 | 2:42 pm | Categories: Media
The Huffington Post, a venture-capital-backed new media site that mixes links to other sites content with hundreds of celebrity and volunteer blogger posts, is being accused of slimy business practices by a handful of smaller publications who say the site is unfairly copying and publishing their content.
Whet Moser, an editor at alternata]ive weekly Chicago Reader wants to know why The Huffington Post’s newly formed Chicago-focused venture is stealing their copyrighted concert reviews and reprinting them in whole in order to get search engine traffic. And he found other examples taken wholesale from The Onion and Time Out Chicago.
Compare for example, the Chicago Reader’s Amanda Palmer review and The Huffington Post’s (screenshots if the pages change: Reader, The Huffington Post)
Moser writes:
You want to do a post that says, "According to Jessica Hopper, Bon Iver rules, check ‘em out, go here for the info," fine. But taking an entire concert preview is bush league. Doing it as a practice is just beneath contempt. If the future of journalism–which everyone keeps telling me The Huffington Post represents — is a bunch of search-engine optimization scams, we have bigger problems than Sam Zell’s bad investment strategies.
But The Huffington Post co-founder Jonah Peretti says the contretemps are overblown — that the complete re-printing was a mistaken editorial call and that The Huffington Post’s intention in aggregating other publications’ content is to send traffic their way.
"You tease, you pull out a piece of it, and then you have a headline or link out," Peretti said. "Generally publishers are psyched to have a link."
The headlines on The Huffington Post, he points out, link to the outside site, not to The Huffington Post page with the two to three paragraph excerpt of the other site’s copyrighted story. That page is accessible via the comment and "Quick Read" links, and serves as the "anchor" page for comments or for follow-up reporting by The Huffington Post staff.
Almost all of the readers click on the headlines and photos, according to Peretti, which means most don’t know the excerpt page exists since they get sent to the original site.
He compares The Huffington Post’s
influence on other sites traffic to that of link-voting sites like Digg and Reddit. Those sites, along with Google News and Slashdot, rely on small excerpts or user submitted summaries of online content in order to create lists of the best new content on the web.
But none of those aggregation sites, including Google News, uses as much of a percentage of copyrighted content as The Huffington Post does.
The Huffington Post, which launched in May 2005, drew 19 million unique visitors in November through the efforts of 27 editorial staff members, according to a spokesman. There’s just one editor for the
Chicago-focused project, which launched in August. The company just closed a $25 million funding round a few weeks ago.
Moser isn’t alone in his sentiments against The Huffington Post’s aggregation tactics. Nick Denton, the publisher of Gawker and other semi-famous blogs, hates the Huffington Post .
Kevin Allman, a New Orleans journalist and editor of Gambit Weekly, finds The Huffington Post’s idea of starting a whole series of city-focused aggregation sites hypocritical, especially given the site is named after Arianna Huffington, a popular, and now-liberal-leaning columnist.
In other words: professional newsgathering organizations have paid professional writers to do professional work, and then
Arianna comes in, creates links to their creations, and sells ads on her own page. How progressive.
But Peretti says some 95
percent of The Huffington Post’s traffic goes through the headline links, and that when The Huffington Post does original reporting or adds to a story, it changes a headline link to point to its content.
Otherwise, the Chicago project picks the ‘best’ stories from publications like the Chicago Tribune, the Sun Times and the Chicago Reader.
As for disgruntled publishers, Peretti seems genuinely perplexed and says The Huffington Post links should be good for them — and suggests that upset editors get in touch and build relationships with
Huffington Post editors.
Note: This piece originally linked to Gawker piece by Ryan Tate about the same issue, hyperlinked in the sentence "Nick Denton hates The Huffington Post". It has been removed in order to clear up any interpretation that Tate hates The Huffington Post or was told to write his post.
Let hear it for credible sources!!!!
The bottom line is point to me a community that is poverty infested that its leaders has adopted your views and did a 360. Has the education levels suddenly risen from the abyss? Has viable businesses move in without government intervention? Do the people own the real estate or are the renting? It is obvious that you guys only tread on forums where you can throw out your liberal views without having them challenged. You guys would be eaten alive with your look at me i'm a victim attitudes. It's like you'd rather settle for table scraps than showing your worth and earning your seat at the table.
W.E.B. Dubois once said, I sit with Shakespere and he winces not. Meaning he is able to hold his own without condescension from others.
I have certainly disagreed with things that you have said in the past, however, please let the record reflect our complete convergence today.
QueEx
There you are! Found a lemming. God you are so typical. Go ahead and post some of your loaded liberal posts.
Must be a full-moon.
Do you know what liberalism or a liberal society is?
Let me explain.
The monarchies of Europe were the sovereign authority over the people. Therefore all rights emanated from the monarchy. In those times, a conservative was someone who wanted to maintain the monarchy (with its courts, titles, privileges, etc.).
As the people exerted more indepedence and demanded more rights, the cause for personal sovereignty, or LIBERTY was raised. Hence, liberals were born.
Liberalism is the respect of personal liberties and private property by the state/government. It is the tolerance of free speech and free religion. Hence, the US constitution is the rejection of a sovereign monarchy in favor of a liberal democracy. (And still, there were conservatives who wanted a monarchy in the US.
)Traditionally, conservatives would be intolerant of religious differences, minority groups, and lifestyles. Also, they would favor strong central government.
Ideally, liberals are tolerant of all the above. However, they oppose strong central government or believe it's only purpose is to guarantee individual rights.
Today, it's all mixed-up. You have conservatives calling themselves liberals and liberals calling themselves conservatives.
Then, there are libertarians.
How liberal became something bad shows how ass-backwards people are in this country. This is a liberal society (in theory
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