Black Republicans, Here's Your Wake-Up Call

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Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 5:32 am
By: Tonyaa Weathersbee, BlackAmericaWeb.com
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According to Sen. Lindsey Graham (above), hordes of pregnant Latinas continue to cross the border illegally to “drop a child."

By all accounts, this ought to be a wake-up call for black Republicans – especially those inclined to carry the racially-tainted water of its Tea Party wing.

Lately, some prominent GOPers have been calling for a repeal of the 14th Amendment. You know, the part of the Constitution that says that all persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens and have all the rights of citizenship.

That amendment was passed to nullify the Dred Scott decision, which held that black people could not be U.S. citizens. Some Republicans, however, want to white that part of the document out because, apparently, too many brown people are taking advantage of it.

According to Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, hordes of pregnant Latinas continue to cross the border illegally to “drop a child” in U.S. hospitals just so their children can make it easier for them to enter the country.

To such Republicans, a right that has long been enshrined in the Constitution – a document that they and their Tea Party brethren claim to hold sacred – is now nothing more than a loophole that could ultimately usurp them politically.

There’s no question that illegal immigration is a problem. But the fear that Graham expressed is one that is based more on stereotype than fact.
According to research gathered by Politifact.com, many of the expectant mothers who come in illegally from Mexico to give birth do so because they want access to decent hospital care, not to necessarily get citizenship rights for their child.

And besides some temporary benefits such as food stamps and WIC and maybe a delayed deportation, giving birth to a child in the United States doesn’t automatically confer any special rights to the mother.

Which brings me back to why, if they had any instincts or sense of history, this business about repealing or reworking the 14th Amendment ought to force black Republicans to rethink their allegiance to that party.

They ought to rethink being part of a party with leaders who are so guided by stereotypes that they’d champion something so extreme as to jettison a part of the Constitution that guaranteed black people their rights – just to stop brown people from coming here.

If GOP lawmakers want to change the law of the land because brown people are benefiting from it, then their next logical question should be: Who’s next?

I don’t think one has to look far for clues.
Ever since the nation’s first black president was sworn into office, the right-wing fear mongering machine has been humming at high gear. That machine spawned the Tea Party movement.
It’s a movement whose members don’t see Barack Obama’s ascendancy to the presidency as a testament to participatory democracy – something that is enshrined in the Constitution – but as the undeserved triumph of a bunch of black people and other people of color who, by exercising their right to vote, usurped some white people’s expectations of privilege.

They are the people who talk about “taking their country back,” as if those black and brown people who overwhelmingly supported Obama aren’t a part of it.

That’s why it was no surprise when Tom Tancredo, the former GOP congressman from Colorado, told the first mass meeting of the Tea Party that people ought to have to pass literacy and civics tests in order to vote.

Having such tests would mean jettisoning the 1965 Voting Rights Act – one of the many acts that gave black people their freedom.

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-VG
 
Unlike liberal dicklicks like you, I can disagree with an issue, and see the overall picture of such things.

For this instance, I would reform the 14th amendment to fit the situation today. For one, I would make it so that either one parent is an American citizen, or if the parents are refugees seeking safe haven from war torn/genocidal situations. That would be the better solution IMO..
 
Slammed the fuck out a nerve huh? :lol: I didn't write the got damn story nor did I write the title. Not my fault republicans kicking you to the curb.

-VG
 
Slammed the fuck out a nerve huh? :lol: I didn't write the got damn story nor did I write the title. Not my fault republicans kicking you to the curb.

-VG

:lol::lol::lol:

You made the title. So you getting the shotss..

Nah on the real, I do think they need to reform the amendment though...
 
http://www.theroot.com/

How Illegal Immigration Hurts Black America
With national unemployment hovering around 10 percent and black male unemployment at a staggering 17.6 percent, it's just not true that undocumented workers are doing the jobs that we won't do.
By: Cord Jefferson | Posted: February 10, 2010 at 6:36 AM



Chris Hondros/Getty Images
In October 2008, amidst claims that one of its subsidiaries was knowingly hiring illegal immigrants, North Carolina poultry producer House of Raeford Farms initiated a systematic conversion of its workforce.

Following a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raid that nabbed 300 undocumented workers at a Columbia Farms processing plant in Columbia, S.C., a spooked House of Raeford quietly began replacing immigrants with native-born labor at all of its plants. Less than a year later, House of Raeford’s flagship production line in Raeford, N.C., had been transformed, going from more than 80 percent Latino to 70 percent African-American, according to a report by the Charlotte Observer.

For More About Immigration, Read: 'Since When Did Tijuana Become More Appealing Than Texas?'

Under President George W. Bush, showy workplace raids like the one that befell Raeford were standard—if widely despised—fare. And though the Obama administration has committed itself to dialing down the practice, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has occasionally found herself the bearer of bad news to immigration activists who expected the raids to end entirely under her watch.


For the most part, the workplace crackdowns themselves are unremarkable—gaudy, ad hoc things that mitigate America’s immigration problem the way a water balloon might a forest fire. Increasingly however, their immediate aftermaths—in which dozens of eager African-American job applicants line up to fill vacancies—call into question a familiar refrain from the nation’s more vocal immigration proponents: Illegal immigrants do work American citizens won’t. Even former Mexican President Vicente Fox fell victim to the hype, infamously declaring in 2006 that Mexican immigrants perform the jobs that “not even blacks want to do.”

Four years later, with national unemployment hovering around 10 percent and black male unemployment at a staggering 17.6 percent, it seems even less likely that immigrants are filling only those jobs that Americans won’t deign to do. Just ask Delonta Spriggs, a 24-year-old black man profiled in a November Washington Post piece on joblessness, who pleaded, “Give me a chance to show that I can work. Just give me a chance.”

Spriggs has a difficult road ahead. In this recessed United States, competition for all work is dog-eat-dog. But that holds especially true for low-skilled jobs, jobs for which high school dropouts (like Spriggs) and reformed criminals (also like Spriggs) must now vie against nearly 12 million illegal immigrants, 80 percent of whom are from Latin America. What's more, it seems that, in many cases, the immigrants are winning. From 2007 to 2008, though Latino immigrants reported significant job losses, black unemployment, the worst in the nation, remained 3.5 points higher.

“I don't believe there are any jobs that Americans won't take, and that includes agricultural jobs,” says Carol Swain, professor of law at Vanderbilt University and author of Debating Immigration. “[Illegal immigration] hurts low-skilled, low-wage workers of all races, but blacks are harmed the most because they're disproportionately low-skilled.”

Despite President Fox’s assertion, of the Pew Hispanic Center’s top six occupational sectors for undocumented immigrants (farming, maintenance, construction, food service, production and material moving), all six employed hundreds of thousands of blacks in 2008. That year, almost 15 percent of meat-processing workers were black, as were more than 18 percent of janitors. And although blacks on the whole aren’t involved in agriculture at anywhere near the rates of illegal immigrants—a quarter of whom work in farming—about 14 percent of fruit and vegetable sorters are African-American.

For their efforts, African Americans were paid a median household income of $32,000 in 2007. In the same year, the median household income for illegal immigrants was $37,000.

Audrey Singer is a senior fellow specializing in race and immigration at the Brookings Institution. She agrees that blacks are disproportionately hindered by illegal immigration, but says that pay is a necessary variable to note when talking about work Americans will and won’t do. “There is evidence that shows people at the lower end of the skill spectrum are most affected by immigrant labor, particularly illegal immigrant labor,” she says. “But would Americans do the jobs illegal workers do at the wages that they’re paid? I don’t think so.”

Besides competing for work while simultaneously attempting to avoid drastically deflated paychecks and benefits, unemployed African- American job seekers must also frequently combat racial discrimination. In a 2006 research paper called “Discrimination in Low-Wage Labor Markets,” a team of Princeton sociologists discovered that, all else being equal, black applicants to low-wage jobs were 10 percent less likely than Latinos to receive positive responses from potential employers. Furthermore, employers were twice as likely to prefer white applicants to equally qualified blacks.

"To be blunt, a lot of employers would rather not deal with black American workers if they have the option of hiring a docile Hispanic immigrant instead,” says Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. Krikorian’s organization advocates a large-scale contraction of immigration to America, one of the main reasons being that low-skilled immigrants aren’t contributing to the U.S. labor force in a way that American citizens can’t. Nevertheless, Krikorian says that easily exploitable immigrants remain attractive to businesses looking to eliminate hassles. “[Illegal immigrants] are not going to demand better wages, and they're not going to ask for time off,” he adds. “And frankly, a lot of bosses are thinking, 'I don't want to deal with a young black male.'"

Most political analysts expect the debate over immigration reform to find new life in 2010, under a president who thoughtfully supports both increased border enforcement and the “recognition of immigrants’ humanity.” Wherever the discussion meanders, however—from amnesty on the left to expulsion on the right—from here on, it seems that anyone interested in speaking thoroughly on the matter can no longer do so without discussing its impact on black America.

This type of discussion has proved difficult in the past, however. “Many of the black scholars dance around this hard issue,” says Swain. “They do their research in such a way that it doesn’t address how immigration affects blacks. There’s a lot of pressure to say the politically correct thing—that immigrants aren’t hurting African Americans. Well, that’s not true.”

Cord Jefferson is a regular contributor to The Root.
 
Illegal Immigration Facts & Statistics

"In October 2008, the illegal immigrant population stood at 11.9 million according to the Pew Hispanic Center."
(NumbersUSA).


"The U.S. Census Bureau showed that the nation's immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached nearly 38 million in March 2007, one-third of which are comprised of illegal immigrants."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"If immigration continues at current levels, the nation's population will increase from 301 million today to 468 million in 2060 - a 167 million, or 56% increase.
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"There are approximately 7.7 million illegal aliens employed in U.S. jobs in 2008."
(NumbersUSA).


"A 1997 study by the American Academy of Sciences found that the cheap labor of illegal immigrants and poor immigrants caused a 44% decrease in wages among the poorest Americans from 1980 to 1994."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"Amnesty for illegal immigrants will cause costs to increase significantly from $10.4 billion a year to $28.8 billion. This is because an amnesty program would transform an illegal immigrant to an "unskilled immigrant with legal status" who could access various government programs. However, due to low income, these "unskilled immigrants with legal status" would likely make very modest tax payments."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"Tax payments in illegal households are only 28% of other households primarily due to much lower levels in education, which subsequently results in low incomes and even lower tax payments."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"A strategy of attrition through enforcement, which includes mandatory workplace verification and measures to curb misuse of Social Security numbers, could reduce the illegal population by as many as 1.5 million illegal immigrants each year."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"In 2007, E-Verify, a system to determine legal employment eligibility, received about 3 million queries, of which 157,000 were found to be unauthorized to work despite having previously evaded the paper version of the I-9 process, thus stopping their illegal employment."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


" Illegal immigrants collectively represent a group that is a significant menace to the public. 80% have committed serious crimes in addition to immigration violations, and 40% have violent crime histories."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"25-50% of all gangsters arrested in the criminal gang suppression efforts in northern and western Virginia are estimated to be illegal immigrants."
(Study for Immigration Studies).


"Gang investigators in Virginia estimate that 90% of the members of MS-13, the most notorious immigrant gang, are illegal immigrants."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"The defeat of the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act of 2007 prevented the legalization of some 60,000 illegal immigrants, by providing them in-state college tuition and other education and government benefits not available to legal immigrants or citizens."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"The DREAM Act also would have set in motion a process for potentially amnestying 2.1 million illegal immigrants, not counting the 1.4 million parents and siblings who would also likely have been legalized."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


Please note:
Each bullet point has a link to where the statistic could be found. For overall citation of the issue of Illegal Immigration in accordance to NumbersUSA, refer to http://www.numbersusa.com/content/issues/illegal-immigration.html.
 
I don't know about hurting black america but it's fucking with white people so bad, they want to change amendments in the constitution. I guess thats a white version of civil rights with impending minority status in view. Only thing left is a CAC march on Washington and Rush Limbaugh bagging groceries at the local Piggly Wiggly. lol.

-VG
 
Unlike liberal dicklicks like you, I can disagree with an issue, and see the overall picture of such things.

For this instance, I would reform the 14th amendment to fit the situation today. For one, I would make it so that either one parent is an American citizen, or if the parents are refugees seeking safe haven from war torn/genocidal situations. That would be the better solution IMO..

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"Damn it, I'm gonna be a member of the Republican Party regardless of how racist they are!"
 
Unlike liberal dicklicks like you, I can disagree with an issue, and see the overall picture of such things.

For this instance, I would reform the 14th amendment to fit the situation today. For one, I would make it so that either one parent is an American citizen, or if the parents are refugees seeking safe haven from war torn/genocidal situations. That would be the better solution IMO..

And what are your politically leanings? I am a progressive and I want to know from where you are coming before I respond to your liberal insult bro...
 
Originally Posted by actinanass View Post
Unlike liberal dicklicks like you, I can disagree with an issue, and see the overall picture of such things.

For this instance, I would reform the 14th amendment to fit the situation today. For one, I would make it so that either one parent is an American citizen, or if the parents are refugees seeking safe haven from war torn/genocidal situations. That would be the better solution IMO..

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The changing of the constitution is a huge thing. It just isn't done on a whim. With that being said, understand the true reason why Republicans want to amend the constitution is because In 2040-2050 Hispanics are going to overtake whites as the majority race here in America. Whites do not want to lose their privilege. Whats funny is they always claim there is no privilege for whites associated with being white,so why should they worry if they lose it?

The problem of illegal immigration is that folk don't "just" come here. They came here for jobs, and to flee oppression and violence.

In a certain sector of American Industry, employers love to offer jobs that are minuscule in pay, and last in any kind of decent benefits, or challenge. In short, average Americans wont do those jobs because of the pay and back breaking work.
So guess who takes those jobs which are still better than whats back home?

CORPORATIONS and SMALL BUSINESSES purposely break our laws by hiring people that they know are illegal! If Congress really wanted to, all they would have to do is make it a crime to hire an illegal immigrant, REGARDLESS of what documentation they present! Absent a national worker's card that cannot be bootlegged, They CANNOT work here. There also needs to be penalties for private citizens who choose to pick up cheap day laborers as well!

NO ILLEGALS work here- PERIOD.

Give out mandatory sentences of 10 years Fed time for anybody who hires them, and also legalize marijuana here in America, and I promise you illegal immigration would stop. The legalization would put a major dent in the Mexican cartels business,thus making it safer for Mexicans to be in their own country!

I also DO NOT have a problem with building a long ass wall on the border. Make it a public works, stimulus type of initiative, and put people to work.

The Repubics, won't do that because they are too comfortable with all that special interest money from said corporations , and that negates the will of the American people! Yes, even some of these blue dog Democrats are guilty of it too, and we are working on getting rid of them as well!

Not for nothing, Obama is fucking up to me, No, I am not happy with him, and he is paying for it from a large number of his base. Yes, he has done much, but the much he has done is half-assed, no bold, significant change!

That is why independents left him and why the democratic base is not motivated.

For whatever problems the Democrats may have, the majority of "Dicklick" Liberals, Progressives, and Democrats all really CARE for well-being of the middle,working,and lower classes of Americans.

The Republicans however, feel we haven't yet given the rich all of the little money that we still have left!

They FOUGHT tooth and nail to deny single-payer health care because "we couldn't afford to pay for it" but they want to keep the Bush tax cuts (even though REPUBLICANS when they created the tax cut, designed it to EXPIRE for good this year!) WITHOUT PAYING FOR THEM, and they proudly defend the hypocrisy!

Now they want to say Obama wants to raise taxes when all he wants to do is to have the top 5% return their tax cut,RETURNING THE RICH TO THE REGULAR AMERICAN TAX RATE for their bracket before the temporary cut started. Be advised the TAX CUT will REMAIN IN PLACE for the remaining 95% of Americans !

Now that I got that off my chest, are YOU a Republican?

 
A lot of blacks are so busy trying to hate the white man or Republicans that they don't see the larger picture. They are seeking to change it to not include illegals that have children here. Not to take away our birthright as decendents of slaves. I am keeping my eye on this but if I see anything that will talks about rescinding citizenship will not get my support.
 
A lot of blacks are so busy trying to hate the white man or Republicans that they don't see the larger picture. They are seeking to change it to not include illegals that have children here. Not to take away our birthright as decendents of slaves. I am keeping my eye on this but if I see anything that will talks about rescinding citizenship will not get my support.






How do you know what they are not trying to take away?

It isn't about being scared or them not talking about taking away OUR rights, the point is this is just ensuring white supremacy in America. Period. The Republicans have decided to roll the conservative die, and they are going all out with a win all or lose all strategy. They are alienating everybody accept the rich and whites, THAT is their base of choice. If they can use tricknology on everybody else, to bamboozle you with false arguments,smoke screens and red herrings then so be it, if not, oh well, they could still care less!

Ask yourself a simple question: think of where you first heard of an incident that bought up the discussion of repealing the 14th amendment? YOU DIDN'T
It is a Republican talking point. Something one of their strategist concocted after it polled well with their chosen demographic!

Why change the constitution over this when there are other easier solutions that actually hold PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE for breaking the law and ENCOURAGE illegal immigration! Say you do get it repealed , if EMPLOYERS still HIRE illegals, then Illegal Immigration still is going to be a problem!

Question: What is then to stop them from one day coming back and deciding they now want to take away the voting rights act?

What if Red states decide they want a "literacy test" in order for blacks to vote, in state and federal elections, and unless you pass that test you can keep your black ass at home?

Do you know what your states election law section 2.4 paragraph b stipulates?
We'll your not alone. These are the kinds of tricks a deceiver comes up with when he knows he cannot convince you,or beat you, on the strength of the merits of their argument alone!

Where are all the other Republicans at? I see they had no rebuttal for me.
Truth defeats lies brother. You Can't truss it:

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I am not too stressed about this. People are overreaching. I don't mind having the supreme court clarify what the 14th amendment was passed for not what people are saying it is for.
 


How do you know what they are not trying to take away?

It isn't about being scared or them not talking about taking away OUR rights, the point is this is just ensuring white supremacy in America. Period. The Republicans have decided to roll the conservative die, and they are going all out with a win all or lose all strategy. They are alienating everybody accept the rich and whites, THAT is their base of choice. If they can use tricknology on everybody else, to bamboozle you with false arguments,smoke screens and red herrings then so be it, if not, oh well, they could still care less!

Ask yourself a simple question: think of where you first heard of an incident that bought up the discussion of repealing the 14th amendment? YOU DIDN'T
It is a Republican talking point. Something one of their strategist concocted after it polled well with their chosen demographic!

Why change the constitution over this when there are other easier solutions that actually hold PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE for breaking the law and ENCOURAGE illegal immigration! Say you do get it repealed , if EMPLOYERS still HIRE illegals, then Illegal Immigration still is going to be a problem!

Question: What is then to stop them from one day coming back and deciding they now want to take away the voting rights act?

What if Red states decide they want a "literacy test" in order for blacks to vote, in state and federal elections, and unless you pass that test you can keep your black ass at home?

Do you know what your states election law section 2.4 paragraph b stipulates?
We'll your not alone. These are the kinds of tricks a deceiver comes up with when he knows he cannot convince you,or beat you, on the strength of the merits of their argument alone!

Where are all the other Republicans at? I see they had no rebuttal for me.
Truth defeats lies brother. You Can't truss it:

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Sir if anything being a progressive or a republican doesn't say much in reference to illegal aliens. It hurts us all. Yes latinos are going to out number whites one day. In turn liberals see them as a new victim to exploit. So where does that leaves blacks. Sure republicans see cheap labor. Why do you see both parties fighting for their votes?

These people leave their country not just for hand outs they are hard workers and they believe in a strong family unit also they marry (unlike our race ie 70% children born to single black women). What will be your argument when they start voting out black representation? Who cares about white supremacy when our race can't find a job?

My sister in law graduated from the University of Houston two years ago. One thing I will never forget from that day was there were more hispanic names being called than black or white.
 
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Business will able to victimize the parents and kids for generations, instead of just one, if the 14th amendment is struck down.

Why don't they fix the problems in their own country, there are other economic systems you can use if capitalism isn't working.
 
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Are there no circumstances under which the 14th could/should be revisited ?




QueEx


QueEx, you have got to stop giving voice to the right wing talking points. The 14th amendment has been reargued 1897: United States v. Wong Kim Ark[/URL].

If we prosecute the hypocrites that employ them and then use them for political gain like Meg Whitman to the fullest extent of the law, you would take away the main reason for them coming here.

The right uses the talking point of 'activist judges' as a smear, but they are famous for changing law from the bench.
 
If we prosecute the hypocrites that employ them and then use them for political gain like Meg Whitman to the fullest extent of the law, you would take away the main reason for them coming here.

this actually makes sense, Just enforce the current law. That way the citizens of this nation can't complain about anything. If this is a nation of laws, Prove it. Just de-incentivize their quest to come here.
 
QueEx, you have got to stop giving voice to the right wing talking points. The 14th amendment has been reargued 1897: United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

Beyond Ark and any other interpretive case, do you think that there is no reason at all to ever consider whether there should be changes to the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment? Without question, I feel very, very strongly about the 14th and I don't think consideration of changes to it should be lightly taken.

On the other hand, I have to admit that I find it a bit troubling that a woman with no other apparent connection to this country whatsoever; finds herself in this country, illegally; gives birth to a child (that she might already be carrying); and that child at birth, is a U.S. citizenship.

Does that sit well with you?

If we prosecute the hypocrites that employ them and then use them for political gain like Meg Whitman to the fullest extent of the law, you would take away the main reason for them coming here.
Perhaps, but that still does not speak to citizenship of the children of those who find themselves here illegally, where ever they may come from.


The right uses the talking point of 'activist judges' as a smear, but they are famous for changing law from the bench.

The only "right" that I am concerned with is the "right" way citizenship ought to be acquired by or granted to the children of persons who gain illegal entry into this country.

If you're saying that activist judges have changed the 14th Amendment, please tell me which case(s) you are referring to.

BTW, becareful the 'talking points' YOU use; the talking point "activist judges" is typically used to denote "Liberal Judges".

QueEx
 
Beyond Ark and any other interpretive case, do you think that there is no reason at all to ever consider whether there should be changes to the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment? Without question, I feel very, very strongly about the 14th and I don't think consideration of changes to it should be lightly taken.

Your premise is too general to make a solid argument. Can any amendment be changed to more narrowly suit the 21st century? I'm sure if the Bill of Rights were authored today, they might have some changes. The first amendment may included some changes with the Internet in mind, the 2nd amendment, might take in account the awesome fire power of today's modern weaponry.The 9th and 10th amendments would surely be changed based on the interconnection of the world's economies.

As I have stated, because you will not enforce existing law, does not mean there is a need to create new law.



On the other hand, I have to admit that I find it a bit troubling that a woman with no other apparent connection to this country whatsoever; finds herself in this country, illegally; gives birth to a child (that she might already be carrying); and that child at birth, is a U.S. citizenship.

Does that sit well with you?

The citizenship of a baby does not bother me so much as employers exploiting one person's desperation to under cut the labor of American citizens.


Perhaps, but that still does not speak to citizenship of the children of those who find themselves here illegally, where ever they may come from.

Now you have made a more specific argument. The Dream Act is an attempt to solve this issue. I don't know enough about it, but, rightly or wrongly, it is an an attempt to address the issue.


The only "right" that I am concerned with is the "right" way citizenship ought to be acquired by or granted to the children of persons who gain illegal entry into this country.

If you're saying that activist judges have changed the 14th Amendment, please tell me which case(s) you are referring to.

BTW, becareful the 'talking points' YOU use; the talking point "activist judges" is typically used to denote "Liberal Judges".

QueEx

I never said activist judges changed the 14th amendment. Read again. I was just making aware a case that the court addressed a question that had never been interpreted clearly. Remember, US v Ark was only 30 years after the 14th amendment was ratified. My only reason for bringing up the talking point activist judges was because the right lable those that rule against what they want activists, while they are most guilty of legislating from the bench (see Citizens United).
 
QueEx said:
On the other hand, I have to admit that I find it a bit troubling that a woman with no other apparent connection to this country whatsoever; finds herself in this country, illegally; gives birth to a child (that she might already be carrying); and that child at birth, is a U.S. citizenship.

Does that sit well with you?

thoughtone said:
The citizenship of a baby does not bother me so much as employers exploiting one person's desperation to under cut the labor of American citizens.

Really ?

QueEx
 
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