Black Ohioans Backing Clinton Feel the Pressure to Switch

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Black Ohioans Backing Clinton Feel the Pressure to Switch
By ANDREW JACOBS

CLEVELAND — The way Eugene R. Miller was hemming and hawing about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, you would have thought he was trying to sell igloos in the Sahara.

Mr. Miller, a state legislator who represents a solidly black wedge of this majority-black city, was standing before a roomful of silver-haired constituents and making a semi-heartfelt pitch for Mrs. Clinton. He talked about her political skills, her commitment to urban America and her promise to address the mounting foreclosures that are turning swaths of his East Side district into ghost towns.

But, nervously shifting his feet, Mr. Miller was also moved to explain how he — a young African-American who won office two years ago after finishing first in a primary election by fewer than 200 votes — could have the gumption to make a case against Senator Barack Obama, the man who stands to become the nation’s first black president.

“I believe in sticking to my word,” he said, adding that he had cast his lot with Mrs. Clinton long before Mr. Obama’s candidacy became viable. “And there is something to be said for courage.”

With less than a week before Ohioans go to the polls in the Democratic primary, Mr. Miller and a small group of other black elected officials who are stumping for Mrs. Clinton are nothing if not courageous. Spending eight-hour days talking up his candidate, Mr. Miller finds himself besieged by disbelief, disapproval and at times ridicule from blacks who maintain that he is betraying his race.

“Some people call me an Uncle Tom,” said Mr. Miller, who, up for re-election, faces an opponent next week whose literature includes a picture of Mr. Obama. “There’s a lot of pressure to switch sides. There’s a lot of emotion. All I can say is thank God it’s winter and no one is outside, because there would be more than angry words on the street.”

Although recent polls suggest that Mrs. Clinton still enjoys the support of one in four black voters here, most pollsters and political consultants doubt that she will retain that much of Ohio’s black vote, which makes up at least 20 percent of the state’s Democratic electorate.

In many other primaries, including those in Alabama, Georgia, Maryland and Wisconsin, Mr. Obama won more than 80 percent of black voters. Some experts here say that if he can increase that percentage in Ohio, he has a good chance of taking the state and putting an end to Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy.

Arnold Pinkney, a Cleveland political consultant who ran the Rev. Jesse Jackson’s 1984 presidential campaign, said that while his assessment was based largely on his gut, he believed that Mr. Obama, whom he supports, could capture as much as 90 percent of Ohio’s black vote.

“In the street, at church, everywhere I go, Barack is all anyone is talking about,” Mr. Pinkney said. “I think the turnout is going to be huge.”

Despite Mr. Obama’s popularity here, there remain plenty of black voters who say they are standing by Mrs. Clinton. Gale Johnson, 49, a former steelworker who now, as a social worker, earns half her old salary, said Mrs. Clinton was best equipped to turn around the state’s stricken economy.

“To me, it’s not about race,” said Ms. Johnson, her jacket festooned with “Hillary” buttons. “It’s about having a president who knows what she’s doing. Besides, I think it’s time for a woman to be president.”

Then there are those whose loyalty is inseparable from their affection for Mrs. Clinton’s husband. Anita Watkins, 71, a retired nurse, said her devotion to former President Bill Clinton trumped her desire to see a black man in the White House.

“My children are mad at me,” Ms. Watkins said, “but I love Bill Clinton, and that’s who needs my help right now.”

With Mr. Obama enjoying the support of much of the black establishment — including prominent church leaders, the mayor of Cleveland and the City Council speaker — the Clintons are counting heavily on a local congresswoman, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, whose 11th District takes in much of the East Side, to keep black voters from defecting.

More delegates are at stake in Ms. Jones’s district than in any other in Ohio. A national co-chairwoman of the Clinton campaign, she has been visiting black communities throughout the country. In Cleveland, she recruited Mr. Miller, the state representative, and a handful of other African-American officials to be Clinton surrogates.

For some Clinton supporters, the heat has been too much to bear. In recent weeks, two black city councilmen, Robert J. White III and Kevin Conwell, have jumped ship to the Obama campaign, saying they could not take the heckling and the scolding stares. At his weekly community meeting at a local library, Mr. Conwell said, a few people wept when he tried to persuade those present to back Mrs. Clinton.

“They said I was on the wrong side of history,” he recalled. “They said I was getting in the way of an African-American becoming president.”

He was harangued at the barbershop and at the dry cleaner, and calls from the discontented poured into his office.

“I felt like the stepchild of the community,” he said.

Two weeks ago Mr. Conwell gave way.

“Now everyone is patting me on the back,” he said. “It feels good to be loved again.”

Mr. Miller spent Sunday stumping across the East Side with Laura Richardson, a black freshman congresswoman from California who was unapologetic about her support for Mrs. Clinton. Ms. Richardson said she found that many voters had doubts about Mr. Obama’s job readiness but were embarrassed to say so.

“People need to hear that it’s O.K. to choose the best-qualified person,” she said, “and that they don’t have to feel ashamed or be guilty about that.”

With that in mind, she breezed into Sanctuary Baptist Church here on Sunday, Bible in hand, and stood in front of 100 parishioners. She spoke of Mrs. Clinton’s credentials, the importance of ending the war in Iraq and the urgency of electing a president who “doesn’t need a couple of years getting up to speed.”

The crowd appeared unmoved.

Then, as the tease of an organ signified that it was time to wrap up, Ms. Richardson made a final appeal.

“I’m going to challenge you to go home and pray about it, and ask God who would be best for us at this time,” she said. “Let’s trust God to lead us to who that person should be.”


from the new york times
 
HRC's black supporters pressed to support Obama
By: Charles Mahtesian and Richard T. Cullen
February 27, 2008 06:44 PM EST

Georgia Rep. John Lewis, who Wednesday switched his allegiance from Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama, may not be the last high-profile African American officeholder to change sides.

The pressure on Clinton’s black supporters to defect has been gradually mounting, rising to the point where some elected officials are being forced to consider whether their backing for Clinton will have adverse consequences for their own political fortunes.

“It’s atmospheric pressure, a change in mood in their communities,” says University of California at Los Angeles political scientist Mark Sawyer, who studies race, ethnicity and politics. “You see people that are going out to vote that have never voted before. Do you want to be on the other side of that?”

Lewis, who announced his decision in a statement, alluded to the weight of history and pointed to his district’s overwhelming support for Obama in the state’s Feb. 5 primary. “When I speak to students about the Civil Rights Movement, I say that it is impossible to stop a determined movement that is captivating the American consciousness,” Lewis said. “I think the candidacy of Sen. Obama represents the beginning of a new movement in American political history that began in the hearts and minds of the people of this nation. And I want to be on the side of the people, on the side of the spirit of history.”

But it’s also true that his decision to flip comes not long after he drew his first general or primary election opponent in nearly a decade—a challenge rooted in Lewis’s previous endorsement of Clinton.

“One who is an elected representative of the people must not ever get ahead of his or her constituencies,” said the Rev. Markel Hutchinson, his primary election challenger. “It is a complex quagmire that congressman Lewis is presently in, because instead of waiting and following the leadership and direction of his constituents and following the pulse of the community that he represents, he side-stepped his constituents.”

There is little reason to think that political expediency drove Lewis, a civil rights icon who is safely ensconced in his Atlanta-based seat, to make the jump to Obama. But there’s no question that, for many black politicians, the stakes have increased since Obama’s Jan. 26 victory in South Carolina, when he first displayed his tremendous popularity among African Americans by winning 78 percent of their vote.

In the four weeks since then, black elected officials ranging from Virginia state Sen. Louise Lucas to New Jersey state Sen. Dana Redd to Georgia Congressman David Scott have switched from Clinton’s to Obama’s camp. That list also includes former Cleveland Mayor Michael White and New Jersey super delegate Christine “Roz” Samuels.

“Who wants to be on the wrong side of history?” says UCLA’s Sawyer. “These are African American politicians who probably didn’t think Barack Obama had much of a chance to get elected and now he’s poised to be the nominee.”

Since South Carolina, Obama has regularly won in excess of 80 percent of the black vote, placing African American supporters of Clinton in the awkward position of bucking the overwhelming sentiment of their constituents. The predicament is even worse for black politicians who double as Democratic super delegates since they could end up casting key votes against Obama at a time when he would be closer to the White House than any other African American in U.S. history.

Most Clinton backers, it should be noted, have so far remained loyal.

“I have not had any direct pressure,” said Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.). “I’m not shifty and I don’t go with the wind… I’ve given that decision much thought early on. I weighed the decision that I made. I’m going to be with Hillary Clinton until the last vote is counted because of my working relationship with her over the years.”

For others, though, loyalty to Clinton has come at some cost. The New York Daily News reported that an anonymous flyer was circulated at the Association of Black and Puerto Rican Legislators’ annual conference last week, urging that a candidate “please step up” to challenge Rep. Greg Meeks (D-N.Y.) in the congressional primary.

Another member of the New York congressional delegation whose district was carried by Obama, freshman Rep. Yvette Clarke, has been targeted by an online petition calling on her “to act in accordance with the preference of the Voters.”

"We— Barack Obama supporters — would like to see her announce publicly that she is reconsidering her super delegate pledge, and that, at a minimum, she will wait to see the outcome of the popularly elected delegates,” said Chris Owens, a Brooklyn political activist who ran unsuccessfully against Clarke in a 2006 open seat primary. “If someone was already running and they had this issue at their back, then it would be a big help.”

A spokesman for Clarke, Scott Levenson, said the congresswoman sees the role of the super delegate as balancing her district, her state, and other concerns. But even in reiterating the congresswoman’s support for Clinton, there is a suggestion that it might change at a later date.

"She's a committed super delegate to Hillary Clinton," he said. "It would be inappropriate to readdress that until all the primaries are done."

Certainly it is a sensitive issue, one that many black pols are loathe to talk about. Through a spokesman, David Scott declined an interview to talk about his decision. A handful of other black politicians did not return phone calls from Politico.

Lewis also struggled publicly with his decision. His decision to endorse Obama comes after his office denied a New York Times report one week earlier saying that he was going to throw his support to Obama.

“This has been a difficult decision for me,” Lewis said.

Ben Smith and Josh Kraushaar contributed to this report.

from politico
 
both good reads..
this speaks volumes....

you see blacks aren't as apathetic as we think.. Fact is .. we are begining the process of holding folks accountable in a real and tangible way.. not just a bunch of marching but motivated lobbying..

this may be a major turn in history.. the black Lobby has not existed in this country
 
“My children are mad at me,” Ms. Watkins said, “but I love Bill Clinton, and that’s who needs my help right now.”

Ummm....it Hillary whose running.....not Bill

These idiots and their love affair with Bill Clinton, so sad

Damn, Obama dont even have to strong arm nobody and its still falling towards him

All I have to say is these same people better hope Obama loses, else, they will be remembered if he wins, and when its time to re-elect them, or, oust them out, and yes, they are on the wrong side of history, and you will pay for it

HillaryObamaChess375.gif
 
“Some people call me an Uncle Tom,” said Mr. Miller, who, up for re-election, faces an opponent next week whose literature includes a picture of Mr. Obama. “There’s a lot of pressure to switch sides. There’s a lot of emotion. All I can say is thank God it’s winter and no one is outside, because there would be more than angry words on the street.”

This seems to be a common theme among black Hillary surrogates. I keep hearing it over and over. It's an OBVIOUS Hillary campaign "talking point" used to push a subtle fear agenda among white voters that the Obama campaign is some sort of black militant movement. Tavis used it and I've read several other black supporters of Hillary imply it in one way or another (that they are being physically coerced somehow by the black community to support Obama).

I KNOW what the implication is and I think it's insulting as shit.
 
“My children are mad at me,” Ms. Watkins said, “but I love Bill Clinton, and that’s who needs my help right now.”

Ummm....it Hillary whose running.....not Bill

These idiots and their love affair with Bill Clinton, so sad

Damn, Obama dont even have to strong arm nobody and its still falling towards him

All I have to say is these same people better hope Obama loses, else, they will be remembered if he wins, and when its time to re-elect them, or, oust them out, and yes, they are on the wrong side of history, and you will pay for it

HillaryObamaChess375.gif

Thank you!

That is what I cannot stand about alot of these old school black folk! It's like they are stuck in some fucking time warp!

That is why the NAACP should be fucking disbanded or at least revamped. Get with it already!
 
“My children are mad at me,” Ms. Watkins said, “but I love Bill Clinton, and that’s who needs my help right now.”

Ummm....it Hillary whose running.....not Bill

These idiots and their love affair with Bill Clinton, so sad

Damn, Obama dont even have to strong arm nobody and its still falling towards him

All I have to say is these same people better hope Obama loses, else, they will be remembered if he wins, and when its time to re-elect them, or, oust them out, and yes, they are on the wrong side of history, and you will pay for it

HillaryObamaChess375.gif

WTF is wrong with some of these old heads? They are VISCERALLY uncomfortable with the idea of seeing a young black man running shit. Slave mentality is a fuckin sickness, I tell you. :(

BTW Im jacking that Chess-Checkers cartoon. How perfect.
 
This seems to be a common theme among black Hillary surrogates. I keep hearing it over and over. It's an OBVIOUS Hillary campaign "talking point" used to push a subtle fear agenda among white voters that the Obama campaign is some sort of black militant movement. Tavis used it and I've read several other black supporters of Hillary imply it in one way or another (that they are being physically coerced somehow by the black community to support Obama).

I KNOW what the implication is and I think it's insulting as shit.

Right--like the right-wing fundamentalists dont ostracize, even threaten violence against those who dont tow the party line.

This is MILD censure compared to the strong-arming that occurs among the GOP conservatives and neo-cons.
 
I love Bill Clinton too but he isn't running. Stupid lady, Hilary is nothing like Bill. She is an old dried up handbag going through menopause. Obama 08!
 
Right--like the right-wing fundamentalists dont ostracize, even threaten violence against those who dont tow the party line.

This is MILD censure compared to the strong-arming that occurs among the GOP conservatives and neo-cons.

It's nowhere near as visceral as the right-wing pro-Bush movement was (those cats literally foamed at the mouth like rabid dogs). This is all conjecture though. Dude talking about he's glad it isn't warm like the streets would be hot for him or some shit. Folks are calling him a sellout because LIKE HE SAID HIMSELF, he jumped on the Hillary bandwagon early thinking that was where his bread was gonna be buttered and now the wheels are falling off and he refuses to do the right thing.

Dude is young and black and ran his DAMN SELF on a change platform, yet he sees no merit in Obama doing the same thing?
 
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I actually feel for a lot of these black elected officials. They were in the Clinton camp for years before Obama came on the scene. Now they're between a rock and a hard place. Do they dump the people they've been with for the newcomer who seems poised to win the nomination? What happens if they jump ship and Hillary ends winning not only the nomination, but the entire race? She's vindictive and really won't forget or forgive. Obama seems more likely to forgive then Clinton ever will.
 
This seems to be a common theme among black Hillary surrogates. I keep hearing it over and over. It's an OBVIOUS Hillary campaign "talking point" used to push a subtle fear agenda among white voters that the Obama campaign is some sort of black militant movement. Tavis used it and I've read several other black supporters of Hillary imply it in one way or another (that they are being physically coerced somehow by the black community to support Obama).

I KNOW what the implication is and I think it's insulting as shit.

excellent analysist.

over-the-hillary will not acquiesce to yield the nomination to mr. obama even after she loses texas, ohio and pennsylvania.

in fact, the more she loses the more vindictive she'll become (as proven).

that cunt may just fight to the death all the way to november. :smh: :lol:

she and her cronies are sore losers.
 
I actually feel for a lot of these black elected officials. They were in the Clinton camp for years before Obama came on the scene. Now they're between a rock and a hard place. Do they dump the people they've been with for the newcomer who seems poised to win the nomination? What happens if they jump ship and Hillary ends winning not only the nomination, but the entire race? She's vindictive and really won't forget or forgive. Obama seems more likely to forgive then Clinton ever will.

Excellent point. Actually helps me understand the situation better.
 
excellent analysist.

over-the-hillary will not acquiesce to yield the nomination to mr. obama even after she loses texas, ohio and pennsylvania.

in fact, the more she loses the more vindictive she'll become (as proven).

that cunt may just fight to the death all the way to november. :smh: :lol:

she and her cronies are sore losers.

i don't like the that cunt comment. Let's not down Hillary because she is a woman. I am for Obama but not just because he is black and especially not because Hillary is a woman.
 
This seems to be a common theme among black Hillary surrogates. I keep hearing it over and over. It's an OBVIOUS Hillary campaign "talking point" used to push a subtle fear agenda among white voters that the Obama campaign is some sort of black militant movement. Tavis used it and I've read several other black supporters of Hillary imply it in one way or another (that they are being physically coerced somehow by the black community to support Obama).

I KNOW what the implication is and I think it's insulting as shit.


Why...I'm physically and mentally CeOERCINg people to vote for obama. whats wrong with that. If your black and dont vote for him......youre an uncle tom. period. A sellout, an oreo, a ooon, a house nigga, and anyother race betraying word than can be uterd by the human tongue. Most effective tactic I have found....the "i pity your ignorance look" combined with tsk tsk tsk, and "come on man.....youre not gonna vote for the brother?" I wont fuck with you if you dont. my moms friend tried that hillary bullshit...my mom told her she had to "raise up with that" :roflmao: (my mom is a 67 year old retired lawyer) and immediately produced pictures of the march in 63 and said "so, youre gonna act like all this never happened, the dream is here, beyond all imagination, and youre supporting clinton?" keep in mind this woman was the FIRST PERSON MY MOM MET IN COLLEGE IN 1958, one of my moms oldest friends. The relationship is strained, to say the least. She's SO EXITED TO SEE A BLACK MAN WITH A REAL CHANCE IN HER LIFETIME. She thought it would NEVER happen....people involved with civil rights who arent "in politics" are not hearing that hillary shit. Thats how I'm keepin it. If youre black, and not supporting barack right now, this minute...yourea sellout. dont wait and get behind him when you have no choice.......cause you know all the niggas will be saying they supported him from day one. its all good though...them superdelagates that roll with them, wont be in office next election. Niggas will remember you supported clinton. :yes:
 
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Why...I'm physically and mentally CeOERCINg people to vote for obama. whats wrong with that. If your black and dont vote for him......youre an uncle tom. period. A sellout, an oreo, a ooon, a house nigga, and anyother race betraying word than can be uterd by the human tongue. Most effective tactic I have found....the "i pity your ignorance look" combined with tsk tsk tsk, and "come on man.....youre not gonna vote for the brother?" I wont fuck with you if you dont. my moms friend tried that hillary bullshit...my mom told her she had to "raise up with that" :roflmao: (my mom is a 67 year old retired lawyer) and immediately produced pictures of the march in 63 and said "so, youre gonna act like all this never happened, the dream is here, beyond all imagination, and youre supporting clinton?" keep in mind this woman was the FIRST PERSON MY MOM MET IN COLLEGE IN 1958, one of my moms oldest friends. The relationship is strained, to say the least. She's SO EXITED TO SEE A BLACK MAN WITH A REAL CHANCE IN HER LIFETIME. She thought it would NEVER happen....people involved with civil rights who arent "in politics" are not hearing that hillary shit. Thats how I'm keepin it. If youre black, and not supporting barack right now, this minute...yourea sellout. dont wait and get behind him when you have no choice.......cause you know all the niggas will be saying they supported him from day one. its all good though...them superdelagates that roll with them, wont be in office next election. Niggas will remember you supported clinton. :yes:

I was talking to my pops (he's 83) yesterday and he voted for Obama, but I was like LMAO because he has been talking about voting for Hillary the whole time. His logic was that we could get 8 years of Hillary with Obama as VP and then 8 years of Obama and, in his words, "Keep those assholes out of the whitehouse for 16 years". I didn't argue with him about because his logic for wanting to vote for her was solid. Dude said he got his early vote ballot the other day and he kept trying to check Hillary's name and said his hand just wouldn't work, so he checked Obama. Said every time he tried to check Hillary, his shit would start shaking uncontrollably.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
I was talking to my pops (he's 83) yesterday and he voted for Obama, but I was like LMAO because he has been talking about voting for Hillary the whole time. His logic was that we could get 8 years of Hillary with Obama as VP and then 8 years of Obama and, in his words, "Keep those assholes out of the whitehouse for 16 years". I didn't argue with him about because his logic for wanting to vote for her was solid. Dude said he got his early vote ballot the other day and he kept trying to check Hillary's name and said his hand just wouldn't work, so he checked Obama. Said every time he tried to check Hillary, his shit would start shaking uncontrollably.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That is fuckin HILARIOUS. The Ancestors weren't havin it, they intervened like when Jim Carrey tried to write lies on "Liar Liar"
 
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