Black Marriage Negotiations.....Why are Black Women single?

True...BUT like true hypocrites: a lot of the men on the board will make generalizations based on THEIR experiences, but let a woman do the same and all hell breaks loose. Trust me, it's happened to me and others several times. When I call them on it, they can't say shit :dunno: Generalizations usually are not good to make, but at least qualify it: where I live in the hood, where I meet girls at the hole in the wall club, when I throw myself at men, etc.

That's true but if the main board was a female dominated board instead of male, it would be the same thing, just in reverse.



Yeah i was just asked is this how i really feel about black men. And yes. It's true. I believe for the most part there aren't any good black men. Maybe there? Could be? Possibly. I haven't seen them. I can find fault with just about every example alot of people have given me. Could men turn themselves around and be good black men? Sure can. Definitely can. I would love for them to be.

Is it a process? Sure is. Definitely. I accept and understand that. Is it a process any are doing right now? I don't believe so. I believe the level of selfishness black men display in this day and age is crippling and will lead to our destruction.

Can i be wrong? According to someone elses view? Hell yeah. To mine? No. But then i'm not really available to want another man. We're just discussing ideas here as far as i'm concerned. Would i discourage another woman from being with a man i didn't consider a good one? Hell to the nawl. If he's good enough for her? Then that's lovely. I will do everything in my power to assist them in their happiness in anyway possible.

If she asked me what i thought about him? I'd tell her straight up. Because i'm a friend and that's what friends are supposed to do.


If your point was you don't see a "suitable Black man" then your point would be totally inarguable but that's not what you're saying. The ability to find fault with someone doesn't disqualify them. Using that measure, there are no good people.
 
Yeah i was just asked is this how i really feel about black men. And yes. It's true. I believe for the most part there aren't any good black men. Maybe there? Could be? Possibly. I haven't seen them. I can find fault with just about every example alot of people have given me. Could men turn themselves around and be good black men? Sure can. Definitely can. I would love for them to be.

Is it a process? Sure is. Definitely. I accept and understand that. Is it a process any are doing right now? I don't believe so. I believe the level of selfishness black men display in this day and age is crippling and will lead to our destruction.

Can i be wrong? According to someone elses view? Hell yeah. To mine? No. But then i'm not really available to want another man. We're just discussing ideas here as far as i'm concerned. Would i discourage another woman from being with a man i didn't consider a good one? Hell to the nawl. If he's good enough for her? Then that's lovely. I will do everything in my power to assist them in their happiness in anyway possible.

If she asked me what i thought about him? I'd tell her straight up. Because i'm a friend and that's what friends are supposed to do.

Define good black men. and since you like women define a good black woman.
 
Women can't define what a good man is because they will set the bar where it's suitable for them. Just like men. If a man is broke and dusty and hates women and you ask him "what is your definition of a good black man" do you think he's going to exclude himself out of that definition? :smh:

Same with women. Like you see a woman that's fat and she say's she's thick. Knowin that she crossed the borderline of fat a long time ago. But everytime she gains 5 pounds she says she is thick and says "i'm not going to let a man define what thick is, i know what thick is".

That's like why a lot of black women are fucked up all over the place. Men will do everything to get a woman. But women feel as though they dont have to do shit to keep him. (yes ablanket statement but i dont feel like dancing around the specifics of the truth in that one)

When we hear what women like we get that. Women say they want a man with game swag, bad boy, smell good....we do that shit. Men says he wants a woman with no kids, no weave, isn't 500 lbs and women dont try to get like that. But what do women do, not dress to impress men, they dress to impress other women. How dumb is that? If you want a man why aren't you dressing to impress men? By being what men say they want. Ya know back in 3rd grade there were girls that wanted guys with certain qualites. And if they didn't have those qualities they didnt get picked. So eventually by high school we learn to incorporate what women like into ourselves. If we didn't we were lames and couldn't get any pussy.

Same thing that's going on for women. Women are those 11th grade boys that just didn't quite know how to adapt to what men want so they aren't getting picked for marriage.

There is no reason to dress to impress a woman. Dress to impress a man. We dress and act a certain way to get women do the same.
If you're trying to attract a bear why are you setting out gator bait? :hmm:
So when women try to come with that.....oh i'm attractive and she isn't....

It's like "ok hello, we are the judges, we are the ones that are supposed to be attracted to you, so ultimately what we feel is attractive is more important then what you feel.

Like any of ya'll men ever have a girl come up to you and try to convince you a pretty girl is ugly? And she's saying "i dont think she's pretty, she dresses like a tomboy" and you're like "it doesn't matter what you think i'm the one with the dick here".


Conclusion: men determine what they are attracted to in a woman.

Women determine what they are attracted to in a man. But the opposite sex doesn't determine what is a good "black" anything. That's something your gender decides. Now mind you like i said just because you say "this is a good black woman" and she has weave and 3 kids and 40 lbs overweight doesn't mean we have to or should be attracted to her.


That why it kills me when educated black women have this sense of entitlement as if they should be married. Whenever you hear a educated woman talking aobut why she is marriage material you never hear her talk about her character. you allways here them talk about their personal accomplishments that men aren't attracted to. Men aren't the ones looking for a provider. Why should we like you because you have a doctoratte degree? You have tons of atheletes that marry waitresses so if that isn't proof that we aren't attracted to your accomplishtments then some of ya'll will never get it.
 
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If your point was you don't see a "suitable Black man" then your point would be totally inarguable but that's not what you're saying. The ability to find fault with someone doesn't disqualify them. Using that measure, there are no good people.

Good point. Which type of good are we speaking of? I'm speaking of good black male husband material. Good person? Probably. What i feel i need as a black husband? Probably not.
 
Good point. Which type of good are we speaking of? I'm speaking of good black male husband material. Good person? Probably. What i feel i need as a black husband? Probably not.


It's obvious there are good men out here. It's just you pass them up. Now if you were to say "black women are single because we aren't attracted to the black men that are on point" then i can agree with you because you have your likes and dislikes. but to say it's because of us....come on now.
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I disagree. If what i quantify it as, is what's suitable to me? I can say whatever i desire. I can believe it just as i believe rain is wet. So if i believe that there's no good black men? Then that's what it is. I can say it. And until it's proven different to me? It's the way it is. Why would i leave you to defining what you are? That's like letting the criminals decide they're not really murders, they want to be called and classified as jay walkers.

Obvious to whom? To you? Your idea of what a good man is doesn't have to fit mine. Mr. Snitch.

Perception isn't always reality
 
Women can't define what a good man is because they will set the bar where it's suitable for them. Just like men. If a man is broke and dusty and hates women and you ask him "what is your definition of a good black man" do you think he's going to exclude himself out of that definition? :smh:
If he's honest he will. And i disagree. Women can define what a good black man is. You guys just don't like it because you find yourself lacking. Once again i believe this goes back to ego.

Same with women. Like you see a woman that's fat and she say's she's thick. Knowin that she crossed the borderline of fat a long time ago. But everytime she gains 5 pounds she says she is thick and says "i'm not going to let a man define what thick is, i know what thick is".
Who says she can't?

That's like why a lot of black women are fucked up all over the place. Men will do everything to get a woman. But women feel as though they dont have to do shit to keep him. (yes ablanket statement but i dont feel like dancing around the specifics of the truth in that one)
Is this why you feel black women are single? They don't want to put in the work to keep a male?

When we hear what women like we get that. Women say they want a man with game swag, bad boy, smell good....we do that shit. Men says he wants a woman with no kids, no weave, isn't 500 lbs and women dont try to get like that. But what do women do, not dress to impress men, they dress to impress other women. How dumb is that? If you want a man why aren't you dressing to impress men? By being what men say they want. Ya know back in 3rd grade there were girls that wanted guys with certain qualites. And if they didn't have those qualities they didnt get picked. So eventually by high school we learn to incorporate what women like into ourselves. If we didn't we were lames and couldn't get any pussy.
Women don't want a grown a boy. Not the knows i know. I don't think any woman on this board is going to agree with that idea. It seems to me that the silliness of that whole i want a thug gangster blah. Is really taken to heart by you fellas. And it seems to effect your whole mental state and interactions with females to the point of almost crippling.

There is no reason to dress to impress a woman. Dress to impress a man. We dress and act a certain way to get women do the same.
If you're trying to attract a bear why are you setting out gator bait? :hmm:
So when women try to come with that.....oh i'm attractive and she isn't....
Good luck with this idea. I disagree with it personally.

It's like "ok hello, we are the judges, we are the ones that are supposed to be attracted to you, so ultimately what we feel is attractive is more important then what you feel.
This is your own view of what you wish women to believe to make yourself feel better. I understand that. But i don't believe it to be true. Women do dress to get attention from mates.


Women determine what they are attracted to in a man. But the opposite sex doesn't determine what is a good "black" anything. That's something your gender decides. Now mind you like i said just because you say "this is a good black woman" and she has weave and 3 kids and 40 lbs overweight doesn't mean we have to or should be attracted to her.
Someone will be. That's another belief of mine. There's someone out there for everybody.

That why it kills me when educated black women have this sense of entitlement as if they should be married. Whenever you hear a educated woman talking aobut why she is marriage material you never hear her talk about her character. you allways here them talk about their personal accomplishments that men aren't attracted to. Men aren't the ones looking for a provider. Why should we like you because you have a doctoratte degree? You have tons of atheletes that marry waitresses so if that isn't proof that we aren't attracted to your accomplishtments then some of ya'll will never get it.[/QUOTE]

They shouldn't feel entitled because they're educated. They're confused women who have bought into the lie white people have told them.
 
Good point. Which type of good are we speaking of? I'm speaking of good black male husband material. Good person? Probably. What i feel i need as a black husband? Probably not.

That I have no argument with. I've met a lot of very nice women, very pretty women but I wouldn't marry them.
 
If he's honest he will. And i disagree. Women can define what a good black man is. You guys just don't like it because you find yourself lacking. Once again i believe this goes back to ego.


Who says she can't?


Is this why you feel black women are single? They don't want to put in the work to keep a male?
(((That amongest various other things yes, but solely no.)))

Women don't want a grown a boy. Not the knows i know. I don't think any woman on this board is going to agree with that idea. It seems to me that the silliness of that whole i want a thug gangster blah. Is really taken to heart by you fellas. And it seems to effect your whole mental state and interactions with females to the point of almost crippling.

(((Who said anything about thugs and gangsters, and they say I don't make any sense)))
Good luck with this idea. I disagree with it personally.


This is your own view of what you wish women to believe to make yourself feel better. I understand that. But i don't believe it to be true. Women do dress to get attention from mates.
(((This, I honestly busted out laughing and for the first time I'm wondering are you egging me on. That was funny. How does me being attracted to someone or not make me feel better? What do I want women to believe? You aren't making a lick of sense. This isn't a matter of trying to convince any one of anything. That's a fact that us men are the ones with the dick and we choose what we like. Are you saying I wish women believed that it isn't about what they think? Cuz if that's the case itk)))


Someone will be. That's another belief of mine. There's someone out there for everybody.

That why it kills me when educated black women have this sense of entitlement as if they should be married. Whenever you hear a educated woman talking aobut why she is marriage material you never hear her talk about her character. you allways here them talk about their personal accomplishments that men aren't attracted to. Men aren't the ones looking for a provider. Why should we like you because you have a doctoratte degree? You have tons of atheletes that marry waitresses so if that isn't proof that we aren't attracted to your accomplishtments then some of ya'll will never get it.

They shouldn't feel entitled because they're educated. They're confused women who have bought into the lie white people have told them.[/QUOTE]

You are scary yo...it's funny but amazing at the same time.
 
That why it kills me when educated black women have this sense of entitlement as if they should be married. Whenever you hear a educated woman talking aobut why she is marriage material you never hear her talk about her character. you allways hear them talking about their personal accomplishments that men aren't attracted to. Men aren't the ones looking for a provider. Why should we like you because you have a doctoratte degree? You have tons of athletes that marry waitresses so if that isn't proof that we aren't attracted to your accomplishtments then some of ya'll will never get it.


Amen.

*two cents*
 
If he's honest he will. And i disagree. Women can define what a good black man is. You guys just don't like it because you find yourself lacking. Once again i believe this goes back to ego.


Who says she can't?


Is this why you feel black women are single? They don't want to put in the work to keep a male?


Women don't want a grown a boy. Not the knows i know. I don't think any woman on this board is going to agree with that idea. It seems to me that the silliness of that whole i want a thug gangster blah. Is really taken to heart by you fellas. And it seems to effect your whole mental state and interactions with females to the point of almost crippling.


Good luck with this idea. I disagree with it personally.


This is your own view of what you wish women to believe to make yourself feel better. I understand that. But i don't believe it to be true. Women do dress to get attention from mates.



Someone will be. That's another belief of mine. There's someone out there for everybody.

That why it kills me when educated black women have this sense of entitlement as if they should be married. Whenever you hear a educated woman talking aobut why she is marriage material you never hear her talk about her character. you allways here them talk about their personal accomplishments that men aren't attracted to. Men aren't the ones looking for a provider. Why should we like you because you have a doctoratte degree? You have tons of atheletes that marry waitresses so if that isn't proof that we aren't attracted to your accomplishtments then some of ya'll will never get it.

They shouldn't feel entitled because they're educated. They're confused women who have bought into the lie white people have told them.[/QUOTE]
 
To sum up this thread: beggars can't be choosers. And if you aren't a beggar then wtf are you complaining about
 
Well said....good point.

I'm guilty of this.

I'm really a free spirit, I enjoy my own company. So much so, that I really don't mind doing everything alone. I know this sounds really unnatural, but it's how I grew up. I've never really been close to anyone.

And losing this freedom is frightening to me...its no way for me to live. I see it as being akin to being locked up, in solitary, for life.

With this other person beside me, how can I spread my wings? How will I be able to land? This bitch gon' make me crash! :angry:
:hmm:

I feel the same way most of the time so much that the more a lady gets too close to me and I see she's "falling" in love with me more than I do, I do all to end the relationship. :smh::smh:
Scarry
 
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