Black Lives Matter is LGBTQ & White Progressive Propaganda in blackface.

[ORIGINAL NATION]

Elijah Muhammad is the only person I have seen that came with a concert plan. Guess that will always be that way until my program materialize.
But that gay stuff is just like killer lives matter or slave master lives matter. I mean are they trying to justify homosexuality. Black people should embrace each other. But this hidden control of they being the man and black males being one fifth of a man is not the natural way of life. Stop a killer from killing first. Change the gay. Homosexuality came from whites but Obama being the so called first black president was attacked by African leaders for trying to promote homosexuality among young black males. And they refer to Obama as the first gay president even though the presidents that went to Bohemian Grove for the gay rituals were not considered gay.
As black males we should be worried about all the propaganda.

 

[True Real Info]

From what I got from the real people in Ferguson who kicked off the protests after Mike Brown was killed is that Deray and Netta were put into the spotlight as "leaders" but none of the original protesters(Ferguson residents) know or ever engaged with any of them.
Deray even ended up getting bitch slapped and chased out of Ferguson by that KingDseals cat.
It's just weird that this dude who no one ever heard of before white media anointed him as "leader" has had all this white house access since 2012 and is now attempting to run for mayor in Baltimore
since all the media limelight.

All the civil rights cats the Democrats use for endorsements to lock up the Black vote for their perfered candidate are all dinosaurs and out of touch with the younger voters.

That meeting Obama had with all those civil rights groups youth divisions was to get the younger black voters to fall in line with the dem party.

Basically,

they used spotlight of mikes browns death to change the focus to LGBT issues, since that is what white liberals were doing they followed suit

 

[respiration]

Basically,

they used spotlight of mikes browns death to change the focus to LGBT issues, since that is what white liberals were doing they followed suit

No they didn't. That's an outright lie.

 

[exiledking]

More. Because this is just too grand. A bunch of women from DC, who happen to be Queer, are riding for us... putting their lives on the line for us... On the front line for US, and all we can do is sit back and label them? WE'RE ON THE SAME FUCKING SIDE!

funny, that one line right after "we're on the same side"


I'm still a queen without you, but without me you aint shit-


LOL they don't even see what they did there.

 

[True Real Info]

No they didn't. That's an outright lie.

 

[woodchuck]

Isn't it amusing how every movement designed for blacks end up becoming a circular firing squad?

 

[respiration]

More misguided divisive bullshit. And it did NOTHING to prove your statement right..."they used spotlight of mikes browns death to change the focus to LGBT issues." That is utter bullshit.For the last two years BLM has been holding the so-called justice system's feet to the fire for it's apartheid like treatment of Black folks. Now you and others can try to create a false narrative that says otherwise and try to rewrite history, but you could also choose to believe in the reality of the easter bunny.

The guy in the video's statement about MSNBC, CNN etc not putting focus on the so-called "real issues" is stupid. Those entities don't go out of their way to give a comprehensive spotlight on what BLM is really about or on what Black folks think generally, because those entities ultimately don't really give a shit about us Black people generally, and BLM specifically. However they HAVE to give some shine to #blacklivesmatter and the epidemic of police killings of unarmed Black people because BLM and it's supporters shouted loudly and continuously enough that it was forced to become part of the national discourse. They demanded and continue to demand that this issues be addressed and reformed.

 

[respiration]

Isn't it amusing how every movement designed for blacks end up becoming a circular firing squad?

Agent provocateurs are rampant around these parts. As well, people with strong opinions based on what they heard and not what they experienced or have seen firsthand on an ongoing basis...Basically not doing shit but bumping their gums. Not helping change one thing, not acting with a collective to challenge an unjust system. Instead, they deem themselves "conscious" by attacking the actual foot soldiers from the comfort and safety of their fucking armchairs.

 

[True Real Info]

@Chitownheadbusa

nobody is going to touch on the fact that people have been in the streets for years prior to this sudden need for media attention unto black folks, and


as @DaAssWatcher @Fred Sanford noted, local activists in ferguson noticed how BLM only showed up when the cameras did, and they took it upon themselves where they could shove their opportunism. Ive worked with many local activists across the country over the years (mostly working class) and BLM is only popular on the internet and amongst wannabe upwardly mobile liberal blacks. Deray attempted to use his popularity on the internet to run for mayor of BMORE, had meetings with New York financers,etc and still could not get it moving. Nobody in Bmore knows this dude (I live nearby) or even cares. Those who do know of him dont like him or is BLM ilk.

@i-moses
"bullshit" and "creating a false narrative", thats all that BLM and their LGBT counterparts do with things like "black male privilege, black lgbt folks being erased from civil rights (b/c their sexuality was not the focus of the conversation), and black women and LGBT folk being erased from the police brutality conversation as if they are killed as much as and as often as black men...creating a narrative as a victim to garner support from white leftists against the black boogeyman, which is working


once again, most black folks mistake getting attention for getting results,politicians playing lip service to concerns that have been brought up by local activists since time immemorial is merely a political passe, that will disappear in the coming years. The main reason is due to social media, if they dont address these issues then using black folks votes is hard to do since they appear out of touch with our large usage of social media, its merely a political pacifier, nothing with change. These politicians traditionally ignore local workers/activists, until its voting season (ask me how I know....) then they use whatever means to gain popularity and support.

BLM loves to say that blacks are not monolithic until they demand that all blacks get in line with what they CLAIM to represent. When that conflict erupts (like when dSeals ran deray out of ferguson) then they play victim. Criticize BLM in favor of local activists nationwide and get called "divisive" as if BLM would exist without using deaths like Mike Brown as a leapfrog to jumpstart their lgbt renaissance and the "removal of the nuclear family" per their mission statement.

 

[True Real Info]

As long as they are black and care about stopping police brutality among black people they can't be erased. Gay or queer nobody can change their sexuality.

this is it right here...nobody cares about their sexuality as much as they do.....

 

[True Real Info]

As long as they are black and care about stopping police brutality among black people they can't be erased. Gay or queer nobody can change their sexuality.

MLK was right there with Rustin so he can't be erased he was the best organizer civil rights had. How can they stand in the shadows if they are as much a part of the movement as any other black life? Because nobody shouting gay pride every 5 seconds doesn't mean they've been erased.

People know a queer woman started the movement and it still grew because it is good not because she was gay.

I just don't understand the constant need to wave the gay pride flag on top of the movement then talking about hetero patriarchy and men in the movement like its bad. It's distracting.

Now all this talk of a hetero-male patriarchy taking over BLM. Why talk like that about BLM? BLM isn't some hetero vs homo movement. I mean so what a hetero male is carrying on the cause that's what's suppose to happen right? Or do they only want gay and queer people to be the leaders and face of the movement.

Seems like they are making it out to be something it's not, like now that BLM had taken off and expanded they want to use the expansion to further gay and queer rights/issues/etc. and if you don't agree then you wasn't really for BLM.
.

This is it... anyone who challenges this is suddenly divisive and abusive, you dont hear latino folk segwaying into talks about machismo when immigration is the conversation...you dont hear LGBT groups segwaying into black oppression when gay rights was on the line....you dont hear white leftist talking down on gentrification when voting season comes around...but a SUPPOSEDLY black group has a mission statement that includes LGBT folks and black women in DETAIL yet no mention of black men in DETAIL. They really wanted the LGBT focus all along but needed a means of attention, Mike brown dies, they jump in front of the camera (only to get smacked outta town by the locals in ferguson) and now if you disagree with them then your not for "black lives" lol the game is so obvious....

they are truly irrelevant (see derays campaign results) to the lives of the average black person and will be irrelevant until another black man dies on camera from a white person....attention does not equate to results....but they love the attention....they love it so much they call themselves "foot soldiers" as if locals across the nation had not been working for decades to end the poverty,drug abuse,etc...hence why Dseals smacked Deray.....to these people black lives dont matter unless they are useful for their own agendas...

 

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@Chitownheadbusa

nobody is going to touch on the fact that people have been in the streets for years prior to this sudden need for media attention unto black folks, and


as @DaAssWatcher @Fred Sanford noted, local activists in ferguson noticed how BLM only showed up when the cameras did, and they took it upon themselves where they could shove their opportunism. Ive worked with many local activists across the country over the years (mostly working class) and BLM is only popular on the internet and amongst wannabe upwardly mobile liberal blacks. Deray attempted to use his popularity on the internet to run for mayor of BMORE, had meetings with New York financers,etc and still could not get it moving. Nobody in Bmore knows this dude (I live nearby) or even cares. Those who do know of him dont like him or is BLM ilk.

And? You speak like you regard yourself as an expert on all things #BlackLivesMatter. You also speak like an agent.

@i-moses
"bullshit" and "creating a false narrative", thats all that BLM and their LGBT counterparts do with things like "black male privilege, black lgbt folks being erased from civil rights (b/c their sexuality was not the focus of the conversation), and black women and LGBT folk being erased from the police brutality conversation as if they are killed as much as and as often as black men...creating a narrative as a victim to garner support from white leftists against the black boogeyman, which is working

Who are you really working for, "info"? What is your true agenda? You need to stop lying. To date, nationwide, how many actions have been done by #BlackLivesMatter whose specific focus is on justice for LGBT vs actions focusing on justice for unarmed Black victims in general of police violence? I'll wait for you to produce quantifiable data to show this abundance of proof that based on the nature of an overwhelming number of LGBT focused actions, the target has shifted. At the rate you are going. history will remember you on this topic as an almost non-existant blip on the radar, as a naysayer, an armchair commentator - but never as an agent of tangible change. The imaginary narrative you are creating is directly in line with such esteemed individuals and talking heads as Alex Jones and Bill O'Reilly.

So what if 2 of the 3 women founders were LGBT? The bottom line of it is that regardless of their sexuality these Black women spoke up for these Black men and boys who were victims of racial violence. And yes, women get killed too, and if their are those within BLM who want to see them get shine too, what of it? It doesn't mean that suddenly they have shifted focus away from men and boys. Up until Sandra Bland there were no Black women who got national attention on an ongoing basis for their murders by police. Black men and boys killed by police are still getting advocated for by BLM. Black police murder victims and the corrupt justice system that protects the perpetrators is the primary focus of #BlackLivesMatter - and this is not coming from an uninformed opinion of an outsider looking in.

As for you, I couldn't GAF who you claim to have worked with. You are still speaking as an outsider to #BlackLivesMatter and are relying on the opinion of others and not upon your own experience as any kind of active BLM member. People who are active collectively as agents of change don't sit up on message boards and shit on people in other organizations who are working for change. That's what inactive Black cowards, racist whites and paid agitators do. I don't respect people who sit on the sidelines and intellectualize criticism from their place of comfort while others put their careers, freedom and safety on the line for change.

once again, most black folks mistake getting attention for getting results,politicians playing lip service to concerns that have been brought up by local activists since time immemorial is merely a political passe, that will disappear in the coming years. The main reason is due to social media, if they dont address these issues then using black folks votes is hard to do since they appear out of touch with our large usage of social media, its merely a political pacifier, nothing with change. These politicians traditionally ignore local workers/activists, until its voting season (ask me how I know....) then they use whatever means to gain popularity and support.

BLM loves to say that blacks are not monolithic until they demand that all blacks get in line with what they CLAIM to represent. When that conflict erupts (like when dSeals ran deray out of ferguson) then they play victim. Criticize BLM in favor of local activists nationwide and get called "divisive" as if BLM would exist without using deaths like Mike Brown as a leapfrog to jumpstart their lgbt renaissance and the "removal of the nuclear family" per their mission statement.

Your ignorance about your chosen topic is on full display. You clearly watch a lot of national news and follow other couch-dwelling smart dumb folk, but don't get your hands dirty to know what is really going on. "Criticize BLM in favor of local activists"? Fuck outta here. Your tin foil hat wearing ass. Local activists are largely working right alongside BLM seeking justice for victims of police violence and seeking to change corrupt political systems that have abused and ignored our people for too long.

 

[True Real Info]

@Fred Sanford
good thread though, your on point with alot of what you said. alot of activists and academics have noticed this trend

@i-moses

Done with your ad-hominems? you dont know me from adam, nor what I do or who I know in the streets, and I said what I said and stand by it.

 

[True Real Info]

@Chitownheadbusa

something else to add to your comment, Ive noticed that if the people who have been doing their thing work wise with correcting drug abuse,etc in the streets dont align themselves with the popular ideology found in this new money maker, they are called ignorant,etc,etc. This has happened at a few meetings I've been in.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

@Chitownheadbusa

nobody is going to touch on the fact that people have been in the streets for years prior to this sudden need for media attention unto black folks, and


as @DaAssWatcher @Fred Sanford noted, local activists in ferguson noticed how BLM only showed up when the cameras did, and they took it upon themselves where they could shove their opportunism. Ive worked with many local activists across the country over the years (mostly working class) and BLM is only popular on the internet and amongst wannabe upwardly mobile liberal blacks. Deray attempted to use his popularity on the internet to run for mayor of BMORE, had meetings with New York financers,etc and still could not get it moving. Nobody in Bmore knows this dude (I live nearby) or even cares. Those who do know of him dont like him or is BLM ilk.

@i-moses
"bullshit" and "creating a false narrative", thats all that BLM and their LGBT counterparts do with things like "black male privilege, black lgbt folks being erased from civil rights (b/c their sexuality was not the focus of the conversation), and black women and LGBT folk being erased from the police brutality conversation as if they are killed as much as and as often as black men...creating a narrative as a victim to garner support from white leftists against the black boogeyman, which is working


once again, most black folks mistake getting attention for getting results,politicians playing lip service to concerns that have been brought up by local activists since time immemorial is merely a political passe, that will disappear in the coming years. The main reason is due to social media, if they dont address these issues then using black folks votes is hard to do since they appear out of touch with our large usage of social media, its merely a political pacifier, nothing with change. These politicians traditionally ignore local workers/activists, until its voting season (ask me how I know....) then they use whatever means to gain popularity and support.

BLM loves to say that blacks are not monolithic until they demand that all blacks get in line with what they CLAIM to represent. When that conflict erupts (like when dSeals ran deray out of ferguson) then they play victim. Criticize BLM in favor of local activists nationwide and get called "divisive" as if BLM would exist without using deaths like Mike Brown as a leapfrog to jumpstart their lgbt renaissance and the "removal of the nuclear family" per their mission statement.

So by your logic....women should be ignored because there....women. Hmph

 

[respiration]

@Fred Sanford
good thread though, your on point with alot of what you said. alot of activists and academics have noticed this trend

@i-moses

Done with your ad-hominems? you dont know me from adam, nor what I do or who I know in the streets, and I said what I said and stand by it.

You don't know me either, brother. If you did, you wouldn't be trying to argue these points.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Isn't it amusing how every movement designed for blacks end up becoming a circular firing squad?

Every movement is ripe for infiltration.

 

[respiration]

@Fred Sanford
good thread though, your on point with alot of what you said. alot of activists and academics have noticed this trend

@i-moses

Done with your ad-hominems? you dont know me from adam, nor what I do or who I know in the streets, and I said what I said and stand by it.

You are correct. I don't know you. I stand by what I said as well. If I didn't know firsthand what I'm talking about, I would never have engaged you. That would be senseless.

As our points of disagreement go, of course, if you produced the proof I asked you for, you could shut down my and any other similar opposition to your claims.

Don't take what I say as a personal attack. Do take it as irritation with one who is clearly not personally involved in this movement, but has so much to say in the way of conspiracy theories. I strongly doubt you have been behind the scenes in any active, effective BLM movement to know exactly what goes on. You would not have said any of what you did. I have and I am. Instead of arguing with me, you need to be listening, learning and asking questions.

 

[respiration]

Every movement is ripe for infiltration.

Sadly, that is true. BLM is no exception.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

I see y'all dudes can't handle differences in opinion neither so anyone that disagrees with some of y'all are automatically agents or whatever else it is that you can conjure. All while talking about unity. That shit is gold.

 

[Fred Sanford]

Thank you for answering my query. I was interested to know more about who this is issuing such a harsh rebuke against BLM. Perhaps I should have been even more pointed in my language and said "collective action". I thought you would know that word was strongly implicit. My bad. Within that context, Items 3, 4 and 5 were the only things relevant to my question. For the good things you do in your personal life, but especially ways that you reach out to those within your community, I commend you.

Blacklivesmatter is a grass roots organization. In action, the primary focus has been to serve as a collective active force against police and extra-judicial violence and murder of Black people. This is expressed in a number of ways which has included marching, but is by no means limited to that. There is no hidden agenda or conspiracy on the part of the founders. The various regional groups of BLM perform actions based on what is happening in their particular city, relative to police murder of unarmed citizens, non-prosecutions, non-indictments, a broken grand jury system, etc. The ways in which the various collectives' activism is specifically expressed varies.

One does not have to be 100% in line with EVERY aspect of a particular group's advocacy in order to participate and be a part of positive change. The Nation of Islam is not in cooperation with everything in Black Lives Matters mission statement. Neither is BLM in agreement with all that the Nation is about. However, that didn't stop the NOI from providing security for the marchers in Ferguson. In Chicago, the Black Panthers (not the fraudulent "New Black Panthers" - but those under the leadership of Chairman Fred Hampton Jr.) have provided additional security and have also spoken out alongside BLM for justice for the victims of police murders and the victims' families. A good deal of interaction and support takes place every day between BLM and old guard civil rights organizations, church groups and other Black liberation groups behind the scenes in the pursuit of justice. None of these groups' statements of purpose matched completely. They didn't have to, they were able to unite on a common cause. Just like BLM was united last week with various ethnic activist organizations to block Donald Trump from rallying in Chicago.

Historically, we know that Malcolm was not in line with the non-violent aspect of Martin's strategy for freedom. Yet at the same time, Malcolm said of Dr. King:

"I'll say nothing against him. At one time the whites in the United States called him a racialist, and extremist, and a Communist. Then the Black Muslims came along and the whites thanked the Lord for Martin Luther King."

"I want Dr. King to know that I didn't come to Selma to make his job difficult. I really did come thinking I could make it easier. If the white people realize what the alternative is, perhaps they will be more willing to hear Dr. King."

"The goal has always been the same, with the approaches to it as different as mine and Dr. Martin Luther King's non-violent marching, that dramatizes the brutality and the evil of the white man against defenseless blacks. And in the racial climate of this country today, it is anybody's guess which of the "extremes" in approach to the black man's problems might personally meet a fatal catastrophe first -- "non-violent" Dr. King, or so-called "violent" me."

Simply put, you get in where you fit in.

Thank you for your commendation and your measured response. I too commend the work of any person or group that is about uplifting the Black Community--including our LGBTQ members. I do disagree with what I feel is your narrow definition of the term "collective". I think a family is a collective, perhaps the most important kind of collective in the human experience.

That said, the crux of my issue with Black Lives Matter can be condensed down to one thing--DECEPTION. As well-meaning and hard-working as many of the brave foot soldiers within Black Lives Matter may be, the fact remains that the objectives of the organizations leadership (as identified in its own "guiding principles" statements) are adversarial and dismissive toward Black Heterosexual Males; while simultaneously exploiting their deaths. That is utterly disgusting to me!

I was truly shocked when I read your guiding principles last night. What an openly hostile and dismissive stance against me, my father, my brother, my uncles, and all of the black men who do wonderful things in our community everyday. And then they omit the white supremacists who have done every evil thing possible to subjugate and emasculate the Black Community, but he/she gets a pass--not a single mention of their ongoing wickedness.

It seems to me that Black Lives Matters (carrying its guiding principles to their logical conclusions), wants a Black Community were the only black males are "trans males"; where there are no fathers, only mothers; a community where people outside the Black Community continue to control the economics within our community; and a community where the supremacy of the white male is never challenged, while the heterosexual black male is completely eradicated--basically a Black Community where everyone in the world is welcome, except the Heterosexual Black Male.

You may consider my words to be hyperbolic but I am a person that believes that the Black Community should take seriously any threat against its members, because our history teaches us that we should. I take Black Lives Matter at their words (and omitted words) that their movement, seemingly, views the heterosexual black male as the greatest enemy of the Black Community. I vehemently disagree with their position, if true; and I think the Black Community as whole would too--if they knew about it.

As far the NOI and Black Panthers aiding Black Lives Matters with security, I do not know their reasoning. Perhaps they do not know the guiding principles of Black Lives Matters. Perhaps you all are allying, today, against a perceived common enemy while leaving the civil war among yourselves for later. It's been done before and has proven to be a effective strategy at times. However, I do not see a distinction between groups that seek to vilify and eradicate Black Men. Groups like that fall under one banner, in my judgement--White Supremacy.

Any group that makes the Black Man the enemy is a White Supremacist group, in my view. I do not give shit what color or "gender" it's members happen to be. Again, I commend the good intentions and valor of the soldiers of Black Lives Matters. However, as any person who has a rudimentary understanding of military strategy knows, it's very common for soldiers to be ignorant of the true aims of the leaders of the causes for which they risk their lives and limbs.

However, rather than speculating, can you tell me what is the official position of Black Lives Matter on the Heterosexual Black Male, on the importance or non-importance of black fathers, on the importance or non-importance of Black Economic Empowerment, on Misandry, and on whether they believe White Supremacy plays a significant or insignificant role in the poor conditions in the Black Community?

 

[respiration]

I see y'all dudes can't handle differences in opinion neither so anyone that disagrees with some of y'all are automatically agents or whatever else it is that you can conjure. All while talking about unity. That shit is gold.

I see you. I have no hatred for anyone here. I do dislike unsubstantiated attacks on things that are positive and productive. Would that I could be in control of a dialogue, it would mostly be composed of both sides asking questions and then considering and addressing each other's specific points. Around here though, that's like speaking ancient Sanskrit.

 

[True Real Info]

You are correct. I don't know you. I stand by what I said as well. If I didn't know firsthand what I'm talking about, I would never have engaged you. That would be senseless.

As our points of disagreement go, of course, if you produced the proof I asked you for, you could shut down my and any other similar opposition to your claims.

Don't take what I say as a personal attack. Do take it as irritation with one who is clearly not personally involved in this movement, but has so much to say in the way of conspiracy theories. I strongly doubt you have been behind the scenes in any active, effective BLM movement to know exactly what goes on. You would not have said any of what you did. I have and I am. Instead of arguing with me, you need to be listening, learning and asking questions.

Nigga......

didn't I just tell you that you don't know me at all? No need for the lecture and no need to make bullshit drawn out statements that somehow validate your further ASSumptions about my history or lack thereof. If you want you can contact DSeals yourself, along with other the school board teachers who have an issue with BLM and their support for teach for america...

I would also recommend you add in "fathers and families" to your mission statements since the father-mother-child group is not a western prescribed dynamic but a typical one....and black fathers are more involved with their kids than nonblack fathers (look it up) defying stereotypes..



smh

 

[SKATTA]

"the real keys to success for the Black Community, like:

• Black economic empowerment
• Black women waiting until marriage to have children
• Returning black fathers to the home.
• Not voting 90% for the Democrat Party every year
• Asking politicians what they will do SPECIFICALLY for the Black Community."

And, I'll add:

• Placing far greater emphasis on voting in local city, county, and state elections and contributing to these campaigns where your donations make a much greater impact then federal elections.
• But, the most important factor is the strengthening of the black man and re-instituting some of that patriarchy (which you hate) that is the foundation of every strong community in the world. I know the gays, the white progressives, the non-black blood sucking merchants, the pulpit pimps, and the white supremacists don't want that because it will end their 50 year gang bang in the Black Community. But, the fact is, the Black Community needs men--strong heterosexual, economically and politically empowered men, no substitutes will work.

But, Black Lives Matters can NEVER say that because it's bullshit propaganda created by a coalition of anti-heterosexual-black-male misandrists.

So where are we as black men responsibility in all of this,other than complaining?
don't the ownness fall on us to take our community back,provide and protect our children/significant other?
How can so many of us just complain and avoid a certain sense of responsibility.

 

[True Real Info]

So where are we as black men responsibility in all of this,other than complaining?
don't the ownness fall on us to take our community back,provide and protect our children/significant other?
How can so many of us just complain and avoid a certain sense of responsibility.

there are plenty of black men and groups who work locally who are not nearly as popular. One well known group is the Detroit 300, another are the Interrupters. I know of a fact members of the Detroit 300 have issues with groups looking outside of the black community for validation and protection (which historically has never and probably will never happen). Other groups like the Interrupters, Enough is Enough and various church organizations (like Jeremiah Wrights former church in Chicago that does work with some of my people),etc.

 

[respiration]

Thank you for your commendation and your measured response. I too commend the work of any person or group that is about uplifting the Black Community--including our LGBTQ members. I do disagree with what I feel is your narrow definition of the term "collective". I think a family is a collective, perhaps the most important kind of collective in the human experience.

That said, the crux of my issue with Black Lives Matter can be condensed down to one thing--DECEPTION. As well-meaning and hard-working as many of the brave foot soldiers within Black Lives Matter may be, the fact remains that the objectives of the organizations leadership (as identified in its own "guiding principles" statements) are adversarial and dismissive toward Black Heterosexual Males; while simultaneously exploiting their deaths. That is utterly disgusting to me!

I was truly shocked when I read your guiding principles last night. What an openly hostile and dismissive stance against me, my father, my brother, my uncles, and all of the black men who do wonderful things in our community everyday. And then they omit the white supremacists who have done every evil thing possible to subjugate and emasculate the Black Man, but he/she gets a pass--not a single mention of their ongoing wickedness.

It seems to me that Black Lives Matters (carrying its guiding principles to their logical conclusions), wants a Black Community were the only black males are "trans males"; where there are no fathers, only mothers; a community where people outside the Black Community continue to control the economics within our community; and a community where the supremacy of the white male is never challenged, while the heterosexual black male is completely eradicated--basically a Black Community where everyone in the world is welcome, except the Heterosexual Black Male.

You may consider my words to be hyperbolic but I am a person that believes that the Black Community should take seriously any threat against its members, because our history teaches us that we should. I take Black Lives Matter at their words (and omitted words) that their movement, seemingly, views the heterosexual black male as the greatest enemy of the Black Community. I vehemently disagree with their position, if true; and I think the Black Community as whole would too--if they knew about it.

As far the NOI and Black Panthers aiding Black Lives Matters with security, I do not know their reasoning. Perhaps they do not know the guiding principles of Black Lives Matters. Perhaps you all are allying, today, against a perceived common enemy while leaving the civil war among yourselves for later. It's been done before and has proven to be a effective strategy at times. However, I do not see a distinction between groups that seek to vilify and eradicate Black Men. Groups like that fall under one banner, in my judgement--White Supremacy.

Any group that makes the Black Man the enemy is a White Supremacist group, in my view. I do not give shit what color or "gender" it's members happen to be. Again, I commend the good intentions and valor of the soldiers of Black Lives Matters. However, as any person who has a rudimentary understanding of military strategy knows, it's very common for soldiers to be ignorant of the true aims of the leaders of the cause for which they risk their lives and limbs.

However, rather than speculating, can you tell me what is the official position of Black Lives Matter on the Heterosexual Black Male, on the importance or non-importance of black fathers, on the importance or non-importance of Black Economic Empowerment, on Misandry, and on whether they believe White Supremacy plays a significant or insignificant role in the poor conditions in the Black Community?

What I can tell you echoes the points that I made in the latter part of my previous response to you. In Chicago, I see and have witnessed for quite a while, firsthand, a powerful activist community composed of several groups working in harmony toward common goals. The battle is not over. I have seen the police chief fired, the head of IPRA (Independent Police Review Authority) step down and the Chief of Detectives retire. I have seen a hunger strike save a South Side high school. I have witnessed two video tapes of police murders of young men be released due to the combined pressure of activist groups (BLM included), reporters and lawyers. I have seen a much needed trauma center on the city's South Side won after much sustained protest. I have seen reparations paid out to multiple victims of police torture under the domestic police terrorist Jon Burge - a first in the history of the United States. I have seen a police officer fired for the murder of Laquan McDonald. I have watched activists including Black Lives Matter, run Donald Trump out of Chicago. I have seen gas bills, light bills, funeral costs paid for by Black Lives Matter and associated groups. I've seen money raised to aid the families in need of victims of police violence. All of these things were directly impacted by Black Lives Matter and associated groups. Chicago's biggest and best activists have been on board with Black Lives Matter Chicago's acted out goals. The war is not won. We now are fighting to get the mayor out, the state's attorney out and members of Chicago's Board of Education and IPRA voted on by Chicago citizens - among other things.

The above, these are the things I support with my mind and body. I don't relate to nor give energy to all of the LGBTQ aspects of BLM. It's not necessary for me to be effective. Among the good things accomplished, I've witnessed some very bad things. These include beatings of Black lesbian women by hired Black Tea Party thugs. As such, amongst the various ways I have participated in this movement, I've served as security to watch over and protect those Sisters as well as non-lesbian women at various actions.

What I can tell you about our movement is that there are heterosexual women and men in leadership. Most of the focus has been on justice for slain heterosexual males. There has also been focus on justice for slain women like Rekia Boyd. The leadership is committed to THESE things.

Two years ago, after Mike Brown was murdered, I and a number of others were inspired to make it our personal mission to not allow Mike Brown to just be another forgotten statistic - not be relegated to yesterday's news. Social media played a large part in forcing the national discourse and galvanizing people worldwide to rise up against tyranny and racial injustice. As a direct result of this activism, unprecedented changes to the system of policing have already been and continue to be implemented across the country in various cities across the U.S. THESE are the stories that CNN and MSNBC and the other outlets owned by mega-rich neocons don't want told to the public at large. After all, the maintenance of a system white supremacy is an extreme financially profitable venture.

 

[respiration]

Nigga......

didn't I just tell you that you don't know me at all? No need for the lecture and no need to make bullshit drawn out statements that somehow validate your further ASSumptions about my history or lack thereof. If you want you can contact DSeals yourself, along with other the school board teachers who have an issue with BLM and their support for teach for america...

I would also recommend you add in "fathers and families" to your mission statements since the father-mother-child group is not a western prescribed dynamic but a typical one....and black fathers are more involved with their kids than nonblack fathers (look it up) defying stereotypes..



smh

"Nigga?" Get out of your feelings, slave. Your words and positions and presumptions precede you. If you really knew anything, you would know that DeRay is not a member of BLM and that BLM at large doesn't support Teach For America. I do not have a mission statement. BLM does. I speak on what I have personally witnessed carried out. What. Are you in the fucking CIA or something? Why be so cryptic about what you allegedly know?

 

[SKATTA]

there are plenty of black men and groups who work locally who are not nearly as popular. One well known group is the Detroit 300, another are the Interrupters. I know of a fact members of the Detroit 300 have issues with groups looking outside of the black community for validation and protection (which historically has never and probably will never happen). Other groups like the Interrupters, Enough is Enough and various church organizations (like Jeremiah Wrights former church in Chicago that does work with some of my people),etc.

See my focus is not so much on groups of this,that and the other.(but props to the ppl out there who do,male or female).

my focus is on a personal level,home by home street by street.

Too many mentally and physically lazy ass brothas out there man,do a poll and see how man men on this very same sight lack a basic fundamental thing of taking care of their kids.
you most likely wont get honest answers,but we know.

Kats need to stop complaining and take back their household before they can be taken seriously in trying to take back their community.

 

[True Real Info]

@i-moses
you lost me at "slave". Deray is the face of the movement, so is Netta, all the while claiming not to be the face yet taking interviews on late night TV shows. BLM has not come out against TFA, yet teachers groups have asked Deray to use his leverage (he gained by being the face of BLM) to do so to no avail. Since you work closely with BLM while myself and many others (most notably DSeals and his plethora of colleagues) separated from them after pointing out the issues laid out before, I recommend you take to them what was pointed out by myself and others, since you fit it in it won't be seen as "problematic." for BLM not to come out against TFA despite their public persona (deray) supporting it,they may as well sign the checks themselves.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/10/black-lives-matter-teach-for-america/

@SKATTA
I agree 100% and from personal experience you gotta work with those on that path and leave behind others who are too far gone. Black men as a group take care of their kids more than others ( e.g. http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/16/3175831/myth-absent-black-father/ ) yet any small change effects us worse due to population distribution. It is what it is at this point.

 

[Fred Sanford]

What I can tell you echoes the points that I made in the latter part of my previous response to you. In Chicago, I see and have witnessed for quite a while, firsthand, a powerful activist community composed of several groups working in harmony toward common goals. The battle is not over. I have seen the police chief fired, the head of IPRA (Independent Police Review Authority) step down and the Chief of Detectives retire. I have seen a hunger strike save a South Side high school. I have witnessed two video tapes of police murders of young men be released due to the combined pressure of activist groups (BLM included), reporters and lawyers. I have seen a much needed trauma center on the city's South Side won after much sustained protest. I have seen reparations paid out to multiple victims of police torture under the domestic police terrorist Jon Burge - a first in the history of the United States. I have seen a police officer fired for the murder of Laquan McDonald. I have watched activists including Black Lives Matter, run Donald Trump out of Chicago. I have seen gas bills, light bills, funeral costs paid for by Black Lives Matter and associated groups. I've seen money raised to aid the families in need of victims of police violence. All of these things were directly impacted by Black Lives Matter and associated groups. Chicago's biggest and best activists have been on board with Black Lives Matter Chicago's acted out goals. The war is not won. We now are fighting to get the mayor out, the state's attorney out and members of Chicago's Board of Education and IPRA voted on by Chicago citizens - among other things.

The above, these are the things I support with my mind and body. I don't relate to nor give energy to all of the LGBTQ aspects of BLM. It's not necessary for me to be effective. Among the good things accomplished, I've witnessed some very bad things. These include beatings of Black lesbian women by hired Black Tea Party thugs. As such, amongst the various ways I have participated in this movement, I've served as security to watch over and protect those Sisters as well as non-lesbian women at various actions.

What I can tell you about our movement is that there are heterosexual women and men in leadership. Most of the focus has been on justice for slain heterosexual males. There has also been focus on justice for slain women like Rekia Boyd. The leadership is committed to THESE things.

Two years ago, after Mike Brown was murdered, I and a number of others were inspired to make it our personal mission to not allow Mike Brown to just be another forgotten statistic - not be relegated to yesterday's news. Social media played a large part in forcing the national discourse and galvanizing people worldwide to rise up against tyranny and racial injustice. As a direct result of this activism, unprecedented changes to the system of policing have already been and continue to be implemented across the country in various cities across the U.S. THESE are the stories that CNN and MSNBC and the other outlets owned by mega-rich neocons don't want told to the public at large. After all, the maintenance of a system white supremacy is an extreme financially profitable venture.

I believe you are sincere; but you did not answer my questions. The history of Black Peoples is replete with organizations coming to help us; only to discover later that they were really exploiting us. Given that, despite some symbolic victories self-attributed to Black Lives Matter, I cannot be intellectually honest with myself and assume an organization is for me while their official guiding principles are so blatantly against me--because, as you know, a Pyrrhic victory is actually not a victory at all.

I look forward to receiving a real response from Black Lives Matters concerning the sincere doubts I, and many other black people, have about their true agenda. Until then, given what is known, I must vehemently oppose them.

I personally wish you well, however.

Peace.

 

[respiration]

@i-moses
you lost me at "slave". Deray is the face of the movement, so is Netta, all the while claiming not to be the face yet taking interviews on late night TV shows. BLM has not come out against TFA, yet teachers groups have asked Deray to use his leverage (he gained by being the face of BLM) to do so to no avail. Since you work closely with BLM while myself and many others (most notably DSeals and his plethora of colleagues) separated from them after pointing out the issues laid out before, I recommend you take to them what was pointed out by myself and others, since you fit it in it won't be seen as "problematic."

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/10/black-lives-matter-teach-for-america/

...And you lost me at "nigga", right after I addressed you as "brother".
Correction, Deray and Netta are who the media is trying to posit as the face of the movement. Not unusual if you are familiar with the white supremacy playbook. If you have issues with BLM take it to them yourself.

 

[respiration]

I believe you are sincere; but you did not answer my questions. The history of Black Peoples is replete with organizations coming to help us; only to discover later that they were really exploiting us. Given that, despite some symbolic victories self-attributed to Black Lives Matter, I cannot be intellectually honest with myself and assume an organization is for me while their official guiding principles are so blatantly against me--because, as you know, a Pyrrhic victory is actually not a victory at all.

I look forward to receiving a real response from Black Lives Matters concerning the sincere doubts I, and many other black people, have about their true agenda. Until then, given what is known, I must vehemently oppose them.

I personally wish you well, however.

Peace.

Peace to you as well. Those "guiding principles" are weak and really shouldn't be taken as THE manifesto on what BLM at large is about. It simply put is, incomplete and doesn't reflect how BLM is being carried out at large. BLM is composed of not one central body but many small bodies in various locations. These individual bodies do not fall in lock step with all of those principles outlined.
This one:

Black Villages

We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable.

That is NOT a statement on replacing a so-called "Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement" with LGBTQ family structures. It is a statement seeking that the Black community at large care for and look out for one another. Though there is quite a bit in the guidelines that seeks to affirm LGBTQ people, I saw nothing in there that marginalized or declared heterosexual Black men as being evil or as being undesirables. If you saw that worded in it, please show me.

I would suggest to check out this link to get a more comprehensive look at some other things BLM supports:
http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

Also, I think it's a stretch to refer to the things I spoke of as "symbolic" and a "Pyrrhic victory". They are victories, period. They are unprecedented and they would not have occurred had there not been activism to spark and galvanize that change.

Wishing you well, also.

 

[Fred Sanford]

Peace to you as well. Those "guiding principles" are weak and really shouldn't be taken as THE manifesto on what BLM at large is about. It simply put is, incomplete and doesn't reflect how BLM is being carried out at large. BLM is composed of not one central body but many small bodies in various locations. These individual bodies do not fall in lock step with all of those principles outlined.
This one:
That is NOT a statement on replacing a so-called "Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement" with LGBTQ family structures. It is a statement seeking that the Black community at large care for and look out for one another. Though there is quite a bit in the guidelines that seeks to affirm LGBTQ people, I saw nothing in there that marginalized or declared heterosexual Black men as being evil or as being undesirables. If you saw that worded in it, please show me.

I would suggest to check out this link to get a more comprehensive look at some other things BLM supports:
http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

Also, I think it's a stretch to refer to the things I spoke of as "symbolic" and a "Pyrrhic victory". They are victories, period. They are unprecedented and they would not have occurred had there not been activism to spark and galvanize that change.

Wishing you well, also.

My brother......omission is marginalization (to relegate to an unimportant or powerless position within a society or group). Black Males in America comprise about 48% of the Black Community. Yet, Black Lives Matter does not mention them in their OWN "guiding principles" nor in there "11 major misconceptions" statements except terms like "male-centeredness"and "patriarchal", as pejoratives or to contrast the flaws of the Civil Rights movement as compared to BLM.

But, once again, in the very first sentence of their "11 major misconceptions" statements, Black Lives Matter has no problem invoking the unjust murders of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown--two black males--as the catalysts for their movement. Then Black Lives Matter goes through "11 major misconceptions" statements without a single mention of Black Males as a group nor the important roles we play in our community.

We have now gone through 13 "guiding principles" and "11 major misconceptions"--that's 24 fucking statements authored by Black Lives Matter on their own website and they make no mention of 48% of the Black Community, Black Males (or even fathers/fatherhood). I contend that this is not an accident or oversight. You don't just forget 48% of a people--you have to erase them, which is an act of contempt.

48% of the Black Community should not have to assume or deduce or simply trust that an organization, which makes its name on their deaths, really values their role in their own community. Why is it so difficult for Black Lives Matter to affirm that they recognize and support the vital role black males do play, and more can play, in the Black Community--especially as fathers?

But, you keep talking about "unprecedented" victories and changes. Well, it looks like the same old White Supremacist precedent of marginalizing, emasculating, and demonizing Black Males, to me.

Again, you seem to be a good brother at heart, but I cannot support Black Lives Matter under these terms....and I think the Black Community should not either.

 

[respiration]

My brother......omission is marginalization (to relegate to an unimportant or powerless position within a society or group). Black Males in America comprise about 48% of the Black Community. Yet, Black Lives Matter does not mention them in their OWN "guiding principles" nor in there "11 major misconceptions" statements except terms like "male-centeredness"and "patriarchal", as pejoratives or to contrast the flaws of the Civil Rights movement as compared to BLM.

But, once again, in the very first sentence of their "11 major misconceptions" statements, Black Lives Matter has no problem invoking the unjust murders of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown--two black males--as the catalysts for their movement. Then Black Lives Matter goes through "11 major misconceptions" statements without a single mention of Black Males as a group nor the important roles we play in our community.

We have now gone through 13 "guiding principles" and "11 major misconceptions"--that's 24 fucking statements authored by Black Lives Matter on their own website and they make no mention of 48% of the Black Community, Black Males (or even fathers/fatherhood). I contend that this is not an accident or oversight. You don't just forget 48% of a people--you have to erase them, which is an act of contempt.

48% of the Black Community should not have to assume or deduce or simply trust that an organization, which makes its name on their deaths, really values their role in their own community. Why is it so difficult for Black Lives Matter to affirm that they recognize and support the vital role black males do play, and more can play, in the Black Community--especially as fathers?

But, you keep talking about "unprecedented" victories and changes. Well, it looks like the same old White Supremacist precedent of marginalizing, emasculating, and demonizing Black Males, to me.

Again, you seem to be a good brother at heart, but I cannot support Black Lives Matter under these terms....and I think the Black Community should not either.

Good morning.
BLM doesn't have to do what you said. This perceived insult of Black heterosexual males is a problem that you and a handful of others have with them. Perception is not necessarily reality. I frankly find your position of BLM being anti-straight Black male as being a bit odd - especially considering BLM has not specifically stated such. The idea that they are anti-straight Black male due not to what they actually said - but due to their not verbally affirming heterosexual Black men within their guidelines - is bizarre. This is YOUR issue, not everyone else's. I don't need nor seek validation of my self-worth as a straight Black man from BLM or any other group. I validate myself by default - as should you and any other brother.

Facts. Black Lives Matter has been hugely instrumental in keeping the national focus on the issue of unprosecuted murders of Black people by police. BLM has also forced American society to confront a corrupt, racist system of policing, and a corrupt racist justice system that work together to protect murderous cops. Before the emergence of Black Lives Matter, national interest would begin to wane once a non-indictment was handed down. New unrelated news events would take the spotlight. Wash, rinse and repeat. Have you forgotten how things were pre-August 2014?

What is quantifiable, concrete and can be verified are the many many actions BLM have organized around these core values of fighting racist murders by police, and fighting racist judicial entities and elected officials who have conspired to deny justice to Black victims of police murder. This is their commitment proven and documented by actions and not by a list of ideas on a web page.

BLM is HATED by law enforcement organizations and police unions nationwide. They are despised by whites who are comfortable with a white supremacist system that works to keep whites at the top at the expense of Black lives. From where I sit, if these folks have declared themselves your enemy, you must be doing something right.

I listed only a few unprecedented and important victories attributable to Black Lives Matter. I could have listed many, many more. If when I detailed them to you, all you saw was the "marginalization, emasculating and demonization of Black men", I suggest going to the eye doctor and getting yourself some corrective lenses.

Your dismissal of anything BLM does as invalid because of your perception that they are being controlled by white puppetmasters with an evil agenda is frankly mind blowing.

Again, I commend you for the good things that you stated you have done in your life. None of the things you listed though qualified as ongoing collective action demanding changes to the existing system on a sustained basis, as regards that system's active devaluation of Black lives. I do believe that, "charity begins at home" - but it should not end there.

I can't force you to be a part of BLM, nor would I want to. There's going to be those who help out and those who won't. Regardless, there is work to be done and I will continue to be about the business at hand.

Peace.

 

[Fred Sanford]

BLM doesn't have to do what you said.

That's a straw man argument. I never said they did. So, you're arguing against your own assertion. Clever.

I frankly find your position of BLM being anti-straight Black male as being a bit odd - especially considering BLM has not specifically stated such. The idea that they are anti-straight Black male due not to what they actually said - but due to their not verbally affirming heterosexual Black men within their guidelines - is bizarre.

More bizzare than BLM omitting 48% of the community you claim to be representing--even though they account for overwhelming majority of police killings in that community?

I don't need nor seek validation of my self-worth as a straight Black man from BLM or any other group. I validate myself by default - as should you and any other brother.

Another straw man argument. I never said I need BLM's "validation". I question why they are so eager to affirm the LGBTQ's, Women, and Mothers; but not Black Males and Fathers; and I believe their is a hostility behind it.

I also notice how you are using validation as a synonym for insecurity. The founders of Black Lives Matter routinely state that a portion of their impetus for starting their organization was their perception that Black Women and LGBTQ had been marginalized and needed their work for Black civil rights to be validated. Does this make them insecure in your judgement?

Facts. Black Lives Matter has been hugely instrumental in keeping the national focus on the issue of unprosecuted murders of Black people by police. BLM has also forced American society to confront a corrupt, racist system of policing, and a corrupt racist justice system that work together to protect murderous cops. Before the emergence of Black Lives Matter, national interest would begin to wane once a non-indictment was handed down. New unrelated news events would take the spotlight. Wash, rinse and repeat. Have you forgotten how things were pre-August 2014?

What is quantifiable, concrete and can be verified are the many many actions BLM have organized around these core values of fighting racist murders by police, and fighting racist judicial entities and elected officials who have conspired to deny justice to Black victims of police murder. This is their commitment proven and documented by actions and not by a list of ideas on a web page.

BLM is HATED by law enforcement organizations and police unions nationwide. They are despised by whites who are comfortable with a white supremacist system that works to keep whites at the top at the expense of Black lives. From where I sit, if these folks have declared themselves your enemy, you must be doing something right.

The National Action Network, (who's attorney Benjamin Crump, represented the family's of both Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown) and the Nation of Islam which held another Million Man March, and many other black civil rights groups could make the very same claims.

Some or all could be true or false. The real fact is there is really no way of knowing the how "hugely instrumental" BLM or any other group has been "in keeping the national focus on the issue of unprosecuted murders of Black people by police."

But, I do understand the importance of making these claims in order for groups to fundraise and bolster their political relevance and name recognition. And, I ain't mad about it.

I listed only a few unprecedented and important victories attributable to Black Lives Matter. I could have listed many, many more. If when I detailed them to you, all you saw was the "marginalization, emasculating and demonization of Black men", I suggest going to the eye doctor and getting yourself some corrective lenses.

Your ad hominem attack about eyesight aside, they key term here is "attributable". It is BLM which self-attributing responsibility for making "unprecedented and important victories".

I give attributes to Black Lives Matter for being the most clever marketing tool the Gay and White Progressive communities have ever unleashed on the Black Community.

It's pretty ingenius to create a Trojan black civil rights group to pacify opposition in the Black Community to their agendas. That's some, Sith Lord, "Order 66" shit there!

Your dismissal of anything BLM does as invalid because of your perception that they are being controlled by white puppetmasters with an evil agenda is frankly mind blowing.

As I have said before, I do not invalidate the valor nor the efforts of the Black Lives Matter foot soldier. I am sure many are sincere and well-meaning people who want to help the Black Community. But they either don't understand how they are being duped or they are now too emotionally vested in the deception to walk away from it.

Again, I commend you for the good things that you stated you have done in your life. None of the things you listed though qualified as ongoing collective action demanding changes to the existing system on a sustained basis, as regards that system's active devaluation of Black lives. I do believe that, "charity begins at home" - but it should not end there.

I can't force you to be a part of BLM, nor would I want to. There's going to be those who help out and those who won't. Regardless, there is work to be done and I will continue to be about the business at hand.

Peace.

Thank you, but I also believe strong black families, strong black businesses, strong black educational and religious institutions, along with other strong black organizations are also ongoing collective actions--provided they are committed to Black Empowerment.

A political activists or activism organization is no more important than the others. Nothing is more insufferable than a motherfucker who thinks they're doing more than anyone else because they're out protesting.

I think just being a got damn strong black man, despite the onslaught against Black Manhood, is an excellent form of activism--but others may differ.

Nevertheless, peace to you too my brother!