Berto-Ortiz for April?

[Upgrade Dave]

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2677/breaking_news_bertoortiz_on_april_16/

Posted Jan. 13, 2011 at 04:35pm
By Michael RosenthalBuzz up!
Welterweight titleholder Andre Berto and Victor Ortiz are negotiating to fight on April 16 in the U.S., the same night Amir Khan is scheduled to fight in the UK, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer said.

Lou DiBella, Berto’s promoter, had mentioned the winner of the Mike Jones-Jesus Soto Karass fight or Luis Colazzo as possible opponents but neither represented the high-profile matchup Berto is seeking.

Ortiz isn’t Shane Mosley or Manny Pacquiao, two fighters Berto wanted to meet, but the Los Angeles-area fighter is an intriguing opponent for the 147-pounder from Miami.

An obvious issue is weight: Ortiz has been fighting as a junior welterweight (140 pounds). Both Schaefer and Rolando Arellano, Ortiz’s advisor, said they would want a catch weight. Schaefer mentioned 143 or 144.
Schaefer also has no concerns about Ortiz moving up in weight, pointing to his fight against Lamont Peterson on Dec. 11 to make his point.

“When they put Victor on the HBO scale the night of the fight, he weighed 156 pounds,” he said. “I think he’s also taller than Berto. And look at Berto’s last three, four fights. He usually came in at around 145.
“I don’t think size is going to be a problem here.”

Oritz (28-2-2, 22 knockouts) and Peterson fought to a draw. Berto (27-0, 21 KOs) is coming off a first-round knockout of Freddy Hernandez on Nov. 27, the fifth successful defense of his title.



Question:
If your guy weighed 156 for his jr welterweight fight and the guy you want to fight came in at or just under the welterweight limit for his most recent fight, why do you need a catchweight? That's how you make shit look shady when it doesn't need to be. Victor probably can't make 140 anymore and was going to move up. Make the fucking fight.

 

[merce77]

The new generation of boxing - bitchmade. They should do a HBO Doc series called Bitchmade, about this generation of new boxing "stars". I don't particularly like either boxer, so it's hard to root for anyone in this fight - let alone care that it's being made. I do see Berto is going the Mayweather route though, bring guys up from 140 to fight. Kermit's been calling that dude out for weeks. I mean Berto was so keen to go up to 154 to fight Cotto, but now the weight is an issue when facing Cintron? BTW Berto looked drained as fuck in the weigh in, now I know why, 145?!?!?!?! Dude didn't train for Hernandez and was forced to train his ass off for about 2 weeks straight probably. Then new he couldn't fight an extended fight and went for the kill early. I think he's having issues also making 147, they're trying to hold onto that belt though, it's their only bargaining chip.

 

[merce77]

Berto looks weight drained for fight against Hernandez tonight
November 27th, 2010

By Dan Ambrose: World Boxing Council (WBC) welterweight champion Andre Berto (26-0, 20 KO’s) looked badly weight drained at Friday’s weigh-in for tonight’s fight against #10 ranked WBC contender Freddy Hernandez (29-1, 20 KO’s) on the undercard of the Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Michael Katsidis bout at the MGM Grand, in Las Vegas, Nevada. Berto, who usually looks stocky and muscular for his fights, was visibly thin and weak looking during the weigh-in on Friday. Berto has obviously taken off a considerable amount of water weight and perhaps muscle to strip down to the 147 pound welterweight limit. However, as thin looking as Berto is, it makes you wonder how hard he trained for this fight. Berto may have cut corners and taken it easy during training because Hernandez isn’t well known is considered another easy opponent for Berto to add another win to his inflated record.

The knock on Berto is that he’s been matched soft his entire six-year pro career. You know things are bad when Berto’s best opponent during his entire career is Luis Collazo. It’s unclear what the hold up has been from Berto’s management’s standpoint because Berto should have been fighting much better fighters than Hernandez a long time ago, but for some reason has been allowed to dine on lesser fighters. HBO has put up with it and continued to show Berto’s fights one after another despite the fact that he’s fought zero interesting opponents and half of his opponents have come from the smaller light welterweight division instead of the welterweight class.

In choosing Hernandez from way down in the pack, Berto has continued his trend of facing weaker opposition. Supposedly this will change after this fight because HBO doesn’t want to show anymore mismatches between Berto and obscure opponents. It will be interesting to see if that happens. In the meantime, Berto may have a fight on his hands if he’s as skinny in the fight as he was during the weigh-in.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

. I do see Berto is going the Mayweather route though, bring guys up from 140 to fight.

I don't see this quite like that. Ortiz fought a jr welterweight weighing as much as a jr middleweight, a heavy one at that. He was fighting at an unnatural weight and probably closer to a natural welter to begin with.

Kermit's been calling that dude out for weeks. I mean Berto was so keen to go up to 154 to fight Cotto, but now the weight is an issue when facing Cintron?

I would like to see that fight. He's short but Berto does look to be holding his own weight down to make 147. At his age, it wouldn't be too much for him to go up. It's not like he's going to get either Mayweather or Pacquaio, so that might be the best move for him after the Ortiz fight.

BTW Berto looked drained as fuck in the weigh in, now I know why, 145?!?!?!?! Dude didn't train for Hernandez and was forced to train his ass off for about 2 weeks straight probably. Then new he couldn't fight an extended fight and went for the kill early. I think he's having issues also making 147, they're trying to hold onto that belt though, it's their only bargaining chip.

Yep. The crazy part to me is if he fought better opposition then he wouldn't need to carry around a belt to have any leverage.

 

[merce77]

I don't see this quite like that. Ortiz fought a jr welterweight weighing as much as a jr middleweight, a heavy one at that. He was fighting at an unnatural weight and probably closer to a natural welter to begin with.



I would like to see that fight. He's short but Berto does look to be holding his own weight down to make 147. At his age, it wouldn't be too much for him to go up. It's not like he's going to get either Mayweather or Pacquaio, so that might be the best move for him after the Ortiz fight.




Yep. The crazy part to me is if he fought better opposition then he wouldn't need to carry around a belt to have any leverage.

The point is aside from Ortiz, virtually all of Berto's last few opponents have been guys from 140 or weak opposition. It's time to step it up. As you said, if he fought better fighters, he wouldn't need that belt as a bargaining chip. I would like to see that Berto/Cintron fight or hell, even Berto/Cotto for that matter. They need to get cracking lining up some good opponents for Berto especially if he beats Ortiz - the question is though - is this Oscar's way of throwing Ortiz to the wolves? Or, do they really believe he has what it takes internally to beat Berto, he has good skills and power but showed ZERO fortitude against Maidana, he just gave up when he couldn't knock the guy out and didn't switch to boxing mode when it was clear he was getting back better than what he was dishing out.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The point is aside from Ortiz, virtually all of Berto's last few opponents have been guys from 140 or weak opposition. It's time to step it up. As you said, if he fought better fighters, he wouldn't need that belt as a bargaining chip. I would like to see that Berto/Cintron fight or hell, even Berto/Cotto for that matter. They need to get cracking lining up some good opponents for Berto especially if he beats Ortiz - the question is though - is this Oscar's way of throwing Ortiz to the wolves? Or, do they really believe he has what it takes internally to beat Berto, he has good skills and power but showed ZERO fortitude against Maidana, he just gave up when he couldn't knock the guy out and didn't switch to boxing mode when it was clear he was getting back better than what he was dishing out.

I agree and I think HBO's deciding not to broadcast anymore of his overblown exhibitions put this in motion. He's probably two years late but better late than never.
I think this is Golden Boy throwing him to the wolves. Not quite cashing out, like Arum's doing Margarito, but throwing him in the deep end. The protection is over and he's going to have to make some shit happen or he becomes Paulie Malignaggi 2.0.
For Ortiz, Berto's dangerous because Berto's handspeed is terrific while Ortiz is half ass defensively. I don't see Berto sleeping on this fight as he did with Hernandez (he shouldn't anyway).
This is damn near an eliminator. One of these young guys is going to have more chances at being a Somebody and the other is going home.

 

[Alaskanredman]

I used to fuck with Berto but come on with these bums. I don't even like Cintron for Berto... bring on Collazo or Cotto.

 

[Alaskanredman]

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=34838

Cintron: Berto Knows I Would Knock Him Out in Three!

By Chris LaBate

Former champion Kermit Cintron has responded to the recent comments of WBC welterweight champion Andre Berto. During an interview with Suge Green of OnTheGrind Boxing Radio, Cintron discussed Berto's recent response, where the unbeaten champion said he "doesn't fear Cintron" but he doesn't have too much interest in the fighting him either.

"I know he definitely don't want to fight me. He is going to continue making excuses. He knows deep inside of him that I would knock him out in less than three rounds," Cintron said.

"They are continuing to put him in with these B-class fighters and he's making this ridiculous amount of money. I've been in there with a lot of great fighters and I'm not even near the amount of money that he's getting for these easy fights. Have him fight a true welterweight who could fight. He still hasn't done that. They continue to put him in with B-class fighters."

Cintron has been following Berto's career for a long time. He says the opposition of berto plummeted after the fight with Luis Collazo in 2009. Berto won a very close twelve round unanimous decision.

"I don't know if he has the heart to step in the ring with the best. He fought a B-plus fighter in Collazo and in my opinion Collazo beat him and a lot of people think Collazo beat him. And ever since that fight he's been fighting these B-class fighters," Cintron said.

 

[tp2001]

The new generation of boxing - bitchmade. They should do a HBO Doc series called Bitchmade, about this generation of new boxing "stars".

I don't know if he has the heart to step in the ring with the best. He fought a B-plus fighter in Collazo and in my opinion Collazo beat him and a lot of people think Collazo beat him. And ever since that fight he's been fighting these B-class fighters

Damn...I don't know if he was complimenting or insulting Collazo

I'm with Alaskanredman on the Berto-Collazo matchup...Cotto isn't a good fit whether Berto can make 154 or not. I'm still on the side that Miguel is on the downside of his career, and that is not the type of opponent that Berto should go for...

...unless he wants to follow the route of Manny, that is...

 

[Alaskanredman]

Damn...I don't know if he was complimenting or insulting Collazo

I'm with Alaskanredman on the Berto-Collazo matchup...Cotto isn't a good fit whether Berto can make 154 or not. I'm still on the side that Miguel is on the downside of his career, and that is not the type of opponent that Berto should go for...

...unless he wants to follow the route of Manny, that is...

I'm on the fence about Cotto being done. Of course we won't know until he gets his head out the sand and takes on a real opponent. We do know Cotto's potential and that is the type of fighter that Berto needs.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I used to fuck with Berto but come on with these bums. I don't even like Cintron for Berto... bring on Collazo or Cotto.

I would have liked Collazo a year ago but he's done an even worse job of keeping his name out there than Berto.

Damn, Cintron goes in when he wants to.
How does he look calling somebody else a B fighter, though?

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I'm with Alaskanredman on the Berto-Collazo matchup...Cotto isn't a good fit whether Berto can make 154 or not. I'm still on the side that Miguel is on the downside of his career, and that is not the type of opponent that Berto should go for...

...unless he wants to follow the route of Manny, that is...

I think this is the perfect time for him to get Cotto, while he's still considered a big name. Miguel wouldn't be an easy win for Andre (if he could win at all) but it is a good fight for him. If he can get in Ortiz, Cotto, and Cintron and win all three (or at least have good strong showings in all three but losing no more than 1), I think he can be considered legit. But he needs to get to it.