Be not afraid of Trump; be afraid of the people who support him.

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  1. Camille

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    Be not afraid of Trump; be afraid of the people who support him.

    Donald Trump did not just magically become a despicable, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, asshole overnight. It’s not something that he has just developed as part of his campaign. He’s always been like this. It’s literally been part of his schtick for like, 30 years.

    Donald Trump did not just magically become the republican nominee for president. He was put there by people who believe in the same things he does, who support him, and who genuinely want him to lead this country.

    Be not afraid of Trump; be afraid of the people who support him.
    Donald Trump is just being Donald Trump. He is running his campaign, participating in debates, running his sphincter of a mouth exactly in the manner one would expect him to — assuming you were at least somewhat aware of him prior to this election year.

    He’s just as morally repugnant as ever, and just as indignant about it.

    Of course, that’s just how his supporters like him. When they say they like Trump because he “tells it like it is,” and that he doesn’t worry about being “politically correct” all the time, what they mean to say is that he is not just openly racist, homophobic, sexist, and ableist — he’s fucking proud of it.

    People like Trump because he gives them permission to no longer suppress their intolerance. He promotes pride in prejudice.

    There are people more dangerous than Donald Trump, and they are people you interact with in your community. They are people who you know, they might even be members of your family or your friends.

    Even if Trump does not become president, his supporters will still exist, and they will have been invigorated by the rhetoric of this campaign. Trump has made them brave. Hillary Clinton has made them angry.

    Whenever a Trump Dumpster Fire erupts, consider what’s being said. Then realize that those people in your life who support him are having a direct impact on you and the people you love.

    There are men in your community who would use their positions of power (or even just their white, male, privilege which gives them power anyway) to look at you, or your daughter, and say they’d “grab them by the pussy” given the opportunity. Maybe they wouldn’t even need the opportunity, because when men are powerful they “can do anything.”

    There are men who look at you and think you’re “disgusting” or a “pig”. They either think your daughter is also disgusting — or, that they’d like to “try and fuck her”, they’d “move on her like a bitch.”

    Consider that your child may be in a classroom with someone who knowingly excludes the narratives of native people from their curriculum, who white-washes history, who downplays the achievements of people of color, who subtly or not-so-subtly asserts their white supremacism into your child’s life. Perhaps their Sunday School teacher promotes homosexuality as a sin without actually explaining homosexuality at all.

    Look at your parents. Did they teach you to be afraid? Did they point out people in the grocery store, in your church, in your school and say things to you like “laziness is a trait in blacks,” or “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

    Do you still believe those things? What’s your knee-jerk reaction when you see a black man on the street? What do think when you hear a mother speaking Spanish to her child at the store? When you see a a woman wearing a hijab?

    Trump is not the problem; he’s the result of a systemic problem, of which we are all a part. If you aren’t actively against what he stands for, you’re part of the problem. If you are silent, you are tolerating hate.

    This doesn’t just go for this election, either: this all predated Donald Trump and it will continue when this election is over, even if he doesn’t win. The only hope we have that it won’t be insurmountable is to make sure he doesn’t win. But remember that the people who support him will be angry, fueled, and ready to fight in his honor.

    It wouldn’t take a Trump presidency to throw us into a Trump world.

    We’re already living in it.

    Now that this piece has made the the rounds, a lot of Trump supporters are slidin’ into my DMs like, “You can’t lump us all into one category!” and “We aren’t all like that!”

    Look, if you support Donald Trump, I can’t be sure that you’re not a racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobe. So it’s safer to just assume, for now, that you’re all like that — see what I’m saying?

    Tell me, how does it feel? Pretty bad? I bet you don’t like being judged based on what some of the other people who share your beliefs have done.

    Well, guess it’s a good thing I’m not running for President. Can you imagine voting for someone who —


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    Donald Trump’s most outrageous acts of sexism might be limited to ten-year-old tapes and the occasional off-color remark, but his supporters — who are not, after all, in the running to be president of the United States — have much more creative liberty. And when it comes to insulting Donald Trump’s female opponent, their knack for misogynistic signage and T-shirt designs is almost uncanny. Here’s a look at some of their more … impressive creations.

    Click the link for the images/tweets. I might embed them later.
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    Real talk.
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    Are Trump Supporters Too Dumb To Know They’re Dumb? Science Says “Probably”

    By Rika Christensen on October 2, 2016 7:53 pm ·

    How the hell can anybody call themselves intelligent when they’re supporting Donald Trump? It’s a question that baffles people who are able to think critically, able to read and comprehend both history and current events, and able to see through Trump’s thin façade of know-it-all-ism and deep into what he is – an ignorant, narcissistic, and dangerous conman.

    Trump supporters not only don’t see this, they’re happy that there’s someone running for president that thinks exactly like them. Take Melanie Austin, of Brownsville, Pennsylvania. She thought her beliefs about Obama being a gay Muslim from Kenya and Michelle being transgender were just fringe beliefs – right up until she started hearing similar stuff from Trump and other right-wing extremists.

    Now she knows she’s right about all of this. You can’t tell her that she’s ignorant and dumb if she can’t figure this out for herself. You can’t tell her she’s delusional. You can sit there with her, and countless others like her, and present facts, figures, charts, studies, and more, all from the most reputable sources there are, and prove that her lord and savior is wrong, and you’ll still get shot down.

    There’s more to this than the problem of confirmation bias. Austin gets much of her information from fringe right-wing blogs and conspiracy sites, but that’s not all of it. Many of Trump’s supporters are seriously too dumb to know they’re dumb. It’s called the Dunning-Kruger effect, and it’s an unshakeable illusion that you’re much smarter, and more skilled and/or knowledgeable, than you really are.

    People like Austin labor under the illusion that their knowledge about things is at least as good as, if not better than, the actual facts. For these people, though, their knowledge isn’t just superior – it’s superior even to those who have intimate and detailed knowledge of the subject at hand. Trump himself has exemplified this countless times, such as when he claimed he knows more about ISIS than even our military generals do.

    His fans simply take his word for it, and believe that because he knows, they know. They are literally incapable of seeing that they don’t know.

    To be sure, the Dunning-Kruger effect is present everyone all across the political spectrum, and indeed, in every walk of life. We all overestimate our abilities and knowledge somewhere. However, the effect is especially pronounced in people with limited intellectual and social skills:

    “[P]eople who are unskilled in [intellectual and social domains] suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it.”

    So basically, yes, it’s possible to be too dumb to realize you’re dumb.

    In four separate studies, people who scored in the bottom quarter on tests involving everything from humor to logic, and even to grammar, grossly overestimated where they thought they would score. They averaged scores in the 12th percentile, while their average estimate of their own scores was the 62nd percentile.

    The researchers attribute that huge discrepancy to a literal inability to distinguish accuracy from error. Or, to put it another way, those who are the most lacking in skills and knowledge are the least able to see it.

    Take the case of McArthur Wheeler, a man who robbed two banks in 1995 and was caught rather easily. He thought he would get away with it because he rubbed his face with lemon juice, which is used in invisible ink. To test the theory that lemon juice would turn him invisible, he rubbed it on his face, took a Polaroid, and his face wasn’t in the picture! So he thought he was safe from security cameras because he could make his face invisible.

    He was shocked when police caught him because of that, saying, “But I wore the juice.” He literally couldn’t see the ridiculousness of that line of thought.

    That seems like an extreme example, but if you look at the logic of Donald Trump and his supporters, that kind of incompetence is coming out in force. Look at his debate performance. He was woefully unprepared, while Hillary was eminently prepared, and he grew more frustrated, and ultimately furious and out-of-control, while she wiped the floor with him for 95 minutes.

    Later, he claimed he won, and so did his supporters. The hashtag #TrumpWon trended on Twitter, with many of his supporters and surrogates saying he had a very good performance, and put Hillary to shame. Anyone with more than two working brain cells could see otherwise, but all of these people couldn’t see their deity’s abject failure for what it was. And when the scientific polls came in after the debate, Hillary was shown to be the strong victor.

    David Dunning, one of the first to catalog the Dunning-Kruger effect (hence its name), has studied human behavior—including voter behavior—for decades. He penned an op-ed in Politico that explains why this effect is so pronounced in Trump’s supporters:

    “It suggests that some voters, especially those facing significant distress in their life, might like some of what they hear from Trump, but they do not know enough to hold him accountable for the serious gaffes he makes. They fail to recognize those gaffes as missteps.

    … Again, the key to the Dunning-Kruger Effect is not that unknowledgeable voters are uninformed; it is that they are often misinformed—their heads filled with false data, facts and theories that can lead to misguided conclusions held with tenacious confidence and extreme partisanship, perhaps some that make them nod in agreement with Trump at his rallies.”

    Trump is completely inept, and his supporters are way too poorly-informed to know that he’s inept, and too dumb themselves to know how dumb they are. That’s why Trump’s supporters are so sure they’re smart and their candidate is smart that they won’t listen to reason. The effect is strong in these people.
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    Students expelled after Facebook group calls for 'execution' of Jews, black people
    About 15 students wrote messages championing ‘white power’, posted pictures of guns and encouraged recruitment so they can ‘complete their mission’


    The alt-right movement – known for white supremacist views and its overtly racist ideology – has gained traction during the divisive US presidential race. Photograph: Erik S Lesser/EPA

    A Nazi-themed Facebook group that called for the “execution” of Jews and African Americans has led to the expulsion of five Boulder, Colorado, high school students in an unusual case of “alt-right” hate speech spreading to teens in a liberal city.

    About 15 students participated in a “4th Reich’s Official Group Chat” on Facebook, according to a Boulder police report, which said members discussed “killing all Jews and [N-words]” and encouraged each other to “recruit more members so they can complete their ‘mission’.”

    Members wrote messages championing “WHITE POWER!”, posted pictures of guns, called a firearm a “[N-word] BLASTER”, used derogatory terms for gay people, joked about “rape memes”, declared that they “must lynch the [N-words]”, and mocked Mexicans, copies of the group’s chats showed.

    The controversy culminated in expulsions at Boulder Preparatory high school but comes at a time when the alt-right movement – known for white supremacist views and its overtly racist ideology – has gained traction during the divisive US presidential race.

    Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton has accused GOP nominee Donald Trump of “taking hate mainstream”, and the Republican candidate’s campaign has galvanized far-right groups associated with the Ku Klux Klan and fringe online communities that celebrate “white identity”.

    Some have argued that Trump’s charged rhetoric – with frequent speeches demeaning and stereotyping Mexicans, African Americans, Muslims and other minorities – has fueled a racist backlash and created a platform for alt-right groups and white working-class people in rural America who feel disenfranchised and ignored in mainstream politics.

    The Colorado case, however, suggests that the hateful and violent speech has also made its way into wealthier white urban communities, in this case in an ultra-liberal city known for its “hippy culture” and tolerance.

    “It was a shock to the community,” said Scott Levin, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League. “It isn’t as if there is any identifiable group [in Boulder] that is advocating this. There’s a lot of hateful rhetoric going on in this country right now, and that has just empowered some teenagers.”

    There’s a lot of hateful rhetoric going on in this country right now, and that has just empowered some teenagers

    Scott Levin, Anti-Defamation League
    The Facebook group, first reported by the local Daily Camera newspaper, was discovered after one of its leaders allegedly committed suicide, reportedly to “show his allegiance to the [Nazi] party and the killing of Jewish people”, a police report said. Officers were also investigating reports that a Boulder Prep high school student was being “threatened and harassed” by classmates.

    Participants gave themselves Nazi-themed nicknames, including the Fuhrer, Gruppenfuhrer and Sturmbannführer. They wrote of “the final solution” and the goal to “eradicate all lessers [sic]”, with some writing, “Let’s have fun killing jews” and “You can hang Jews on trees, shoot them right in the knees. Gas as many as you please.”

    The students come from a number of local schools. Officials from Boulder Prep, a charter school, told police they had expelled five participants. Most of the students’ names were redacted in the report, except for three who are 18 years old.

    Police ultimately decided not to press charges after determining that “there is no evidence or documentation to support there being any credible threat to any students”, officers wrote.

    Boulder Prep did not respond to an inquiry, and officials with the Boulder Valley school district, which oversees a number of schools included in the investigation, said in a statement that it “administered appropriate responsive action with the students involved” and declined to comment further.

    At least one student attempted to play down the seriousness of the group, with an officer saying “he informed me that the whole thing was ‘funny’ and he would not actually ever do any of those things”, the report said.

    One mother was “visibly shaken by the conduct of her own son”, the report added.

    It is unclear how long the Facebook group was running, whether other users ever reported the nature of group or whether the group was known to the social media company. Under Facebook’s community standards, “hate speech” is banned, including content that “attacks people” based on race, ethnicity, gender or other factors.

    Facebook representatives did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Christina Hughes, a core member of Black Lives Matter 5280, a local Colorado chapter, noted that black students make up a tiny fraction of the Boulder Prep student body and urged school officials to proactively educate students about prejudice.

    “What we would really like to see is for the district to step up and do more … in implementing an anti-racism curriculum and programs,” she said. “We want to see systems put into place that eradicate these mindsets altogether.”

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    Trump says the election is rigged — and his supporters are furious

    CINCINNATI — In an arena normally reserved for ice hockey, the Donald Trump crowd was on edge.

    Some wore shirts with slogans like “[Expletive] Your Feelings” or, in reference to the female Democratic nominee, “Trump that Bitch.” Others had buckets of popcorn, ready for the show. When the media entourage entered, thousands erupted in boos.

    Anger and hostility were the most overwhelming sentiments at a Trump rally in Cincinnati last week, a deep sense of frustration, an us-versus-them mentality, and a belief that they are part of an unstoppable and underestimated movement. Unlike many in the country, however, these hard-core Trump followers do not believe the real estate mogul’s misfortunes are of his own making.

    They believe what Trump has told them over and over, that this election is rigged, and if he loses, it will be because of a massive conspiracy to take him down.

    At a time when trust in government is at a low point, Trump is actively stoking fears that a core tenet of American democracy is also in peril: that you can trust what happens at the ballot box.

    His supporters here said they plan to go to their local precincts to look for illegal immigrants who may attempt to vote. They are worried that Democrats will load up buses of minorities and take them to vote several times in different areas of the city. They’ve heard rumors that boxes of Clinton votes are already waiting somewhere.

    And if Trump doesn’t win, some are even openly talking about violent rebellion and assassination, as fantastical and unhinged as that may seem.

    “If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

    He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures.

    Trump’s campaign has taken a sharp turn toward such dark warnings in recent days. He says he is a victim of conspiracies, portrays himself as a martyr to the cause of the right wing, and is stoking anger in advance of what may be a defeat on Nov. 8.

    His campaign has been stamped with improbability ever since he announced his candidacy in June 2015. He captured the nomination with rhetoric appealing to the angriest voters in the conservative base.

    But then came the unraveling — beginning soon after his July nominating convention, when he lambasted the Muslim parents of a slain war hero. His poll numbers recovered some in late summer, but then the bottom seemed to drop out in the last week with the explosive video in which he brags about using his celebrity power to sexually assault women by forcibly kissing them and groping them.

    The emergence of that video seems to have sent Trump into a regression, with speeches that — instead of expanding his appeal — more directly target the angry base that formed the strongest core of his support from the beginning.

    Above all, Trump is now using the prospect of his loss to undermine faith in democratic institutions.

    “It’s one big fix,’’ Trump said Friday afternoon in Greensboro, N.C. “This whole election is being rigged.’’

    He saved some of his harshest criticism for the media, which he said is in league with Clinton to steal the election.

    “The media is indeed sick, and it’s making our country sick, and we’re going to stop it,” he said.

    Mainstream Republicans are watching these developments at the top of the ticket with a growing sense of alarm, calling Trump’s latest conspiracy theories of a rigged election irresponsible and dangerous. They also say the impact of voter fraud or errors on the outcome of elections is vastly overblown.

    “How do you proclaim fraud before the incident takes place? It’s like my calling you a robber before you rob the bank,” said Al Cardenas, who was chairman of the Republican Party of Florida during the 2000 electoral recount. “In America, you call out a crime or malfeasance after it happens.”

    Cardenas, having been immersed in the Florida recount for 37 days, said an average of 1.5 percent of votes cast in the nation are not recorded, due mostly to technical issues and procedural errors.

    “That’s a significant number in a close election, but they are not wrongdoings,” Cardenas said. “Americans should feel that the ultimate outcome of the election is fair. That’s how we defend our democracy.”

    Cardenas said he would not vote for Trump or Clinton — even if that means Clinton wins.

    “Hey, the radicals had their day,’’ he said. “This is the result of it.”

    Fergus Cullen, former chairman of the New Hampshire GOP, said it was an incredibly important moment in 2000 when Democrat Al Gore gave a speech saying he accepted the results of the Supreme Court decision to award the majority of electoral votes and presidential victory to George W. Bush.

    “Had he not done that, or done so halfheartedly, or even suggested that he’d been robbed, or otherwise tried to delegitimize the results, it would have been a huge blow to our democratic process,” Cullen said.

    Cullen expects Trump’s warnings about a rigged election to get even uglier in coming weeks, and he fears they will incite violence if Trump loses.

    “That’s really scary,” Cullen said, recounting the violence at Trump rallies around the country leading up to the Republican National Convention. “In this country, we’ve always had recriminations after one side loses. But we haven’t had riots. We haven’t had mobs that act out with violence against supporters of the other side. There’s no telling what his supporters would be willing to do at the slightest encouragement from their candidate.”

    While voters have certainly questioned election outcomes, it is unprecedented for the nominee of a major party to do so, historians say.

    “What’s really distinct is the candidate himself putting this out front and center as a consistent theme throughout the last part of the campaign, and doing it when there’s no evidence of anything,” said Julian Zelizer, a Princeton University presidential scholar.

    Some of Richard Nixon supporters in 1960 claimed that John F. Kennedy’s father bought the election for his son in Chicago. Many Democrats in 2000 felt the Supreme Court intervened on behalf of Bush. Fringe conservatives in 2008 launched the birther movement, which Trump joined with gusto in 2011, in an attempt to delegitimize Barack Obama’s presidency.

    “If Clinton is elected, as it looks like she will be, they will be convinced she should not be president because the Republican nominee has confirmed their own fears, anxieties, and conspiratorial outlook,” Zelizer said. “It will make governing more difficult.”

    Trump has recently started encouraging his mostly white supporters to sign up online to be “election observers” to stop “Crooked Hillary from rigging this election.” He’s urging them to act as posses of poll watchers in “other” communities to ensure that things are “on the up and up.”

    “Watch your polling booths,” he warned.

    His supporters are heeding the call.

    “Trump said to watch you precincts. I’m going to go, for sure,” said Steve Webb, a 61-year-old carpenter from Fairfield, Ohio.

    “I’ll look for . . . well, it’s called racial profiling. Mexicans. Syrians. People who can’t speak American,” he said. “I’m going to go right up behind them. I’ll do everything legally. I want to see if they are accountable. I’m not going to do anything illegal. I’m going to make them a little bit nervous.”

    Some Trump supporters say that if he doesn’t win, they figure the United States government will be no better than dictatorships where elections cannot be trusted.

    “We’re heading toward North Korea, without a doubt,” said Grant Reed, a Trump supporter wearing a shirt that said, “If you’re offended, I’ll help you pack.”

    Joe Cecil, a 39-year-old restaurant manager, said he has never voted before but is newly inspired by Trump.

    “If people are offended by the sexual stuff, what do they think is going to happen when Muslims come here, implement Sharia law, and start raping our women?” he asks.

    But he questions the integrity of the voting system, particularly in places that don’t require identification to vote.

    “This is my prediction: Trump is going to win the popular vote by a landslide, and the Electoral College will elect Hillary, because of all the corruption,” he said. “Maybe it’ll all work and restore my faith in humanity. But I doubt it.”

    It’s a common strand among the Trump crowd. They say they have seen videos of Clinton supporters ripping up Republican registrations. They believe Obama is rushing to allow illegal immigrants to become citizens in order to vote.

    “We’re going to have a lot of election fraud,” said Jeannine Bell Smith, 65-year-old longtime teacher in a red Trump shirt with a bucket of popcorn under her arm. “They are having illegals vote. In some states, you don’t need voter registration to vote.”

    After a prayer is said and the national anthem sung, she leans in.

    “We can’t have that lying bitch in the White House,” she said.

    “If Hillary wins, it’s rigged,” said Judy Wright, who is from Illinois but took off work recently to come volunteer for Trump in Ohio.

    She sighs at what seems to her an unfathomable outcome.

    “All I know is our country is not going to be a country anymore,” she added. “I’ve heard people talk about a revolution. I’ve heard people talk about separation of states. I don’t even like to think about it. But I don’t think this movement is going away. We don’t have a voice anymore, and Donald Trump is giving us a voice.”
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    Camille, thanks a lot for all the posts in this thread (and please don't stop!) including the interesting and fascinating story at the link posted by Yamiche Alcindor in the tweet above. I agree with the conclusion in the title to this thread, "Be not afraid of Trump; be afraid of the people who support him" -- but I'm just not so sure that Trump is merely taking advantage of the mindsets or a purveyor himself of the things they believe. Either way, we live in dangerous times, among dangerous people with dangerous thoughts.
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    Thanks. I'm hoping I'm wrong but it feels like there is going to be racial violence behind Trump one way or an other. It didn't originate with him, it has always been there under the surface, but with the election of Obama causing people to act out and his stoking of their anger, its going to boil over sooner or later. His supporters are going to show out win or lose. If he loses they are going to be violent over grief and a sense of loss and believing all his conspiracy theories, if he wins they will see themselves as having a mandate to "take their country back". In fact, as you can see above, it's already happening. Folks around here saying they want Trump elected so people will wake up are actually advocating for us to be hurt and killed, because that's what his followers fantasize about, and many are willing to follow through.
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    Arizona Republic receives threats after endorsing Hillary:

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    Unfortunately, I agree with each of the statements above. What worries me, however, is not whether it will blow, but whether WE are prepared when it does. I believe that those who truly want the ultimate showdown have been prepping for it for years, if not generations.
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    Trump Supporter Tells Reporters ‘Hillary Needs To Be Taken Out’


    In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, a Donald Trump supporter at an Ohio rally alluded to the need to assassinate Hillary Clinton if she won the presidency, calling it his duty as a “patriot.”

    “I feel like Hillary needs to be taken out,” said a rally-goer named Dan Bowman. “If she gets in the government, I’ll do everything in my power to take her out of power. If I have to be a patriot, I will.”

    “What does that mean?” WSJ asked.

    “Take it any way you want to take it,” Bowman responded enigmatically.

    “That sounds like a threat,” they pointed out.

    “I’m a patriot,” he responded.

    “Is that a physical threat?” WSJ pressed.

    “I don’t know. Is it?” he deflected.

    The Boston Globe‘s Matt Viser also encountered Bowman, and reported on even more troubling comments.“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it…” he said. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed.”

    Viser said on CNN that Bowman’s rhetoric was widespread at the rally he attended and that Trump himself deserved some of the blame, noting his comments that only “Second Amendment people” could stop Clinton. “That language is sort of leading at least some of his supporters to sort of engage in some of the violent rhetoric,” he argued.

    There is also a short video at the sourcelink:
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