Be Careful!!! Don't lose your mind.......
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Bro, I bought mine for $125 used.
it is out of print so I would suggest you get a copy.
All I can say is Damn, powerful. what got me is the last part, redefining what is the truth.
Thanks for this.[/B]
Thanks for this.[/B]
give me a few, i'll try to respond to your earlier post..........
Good analysis.....
On point
Come on all you co-signers who read and listened to the words of truth. Come on all you wise scholars of African culture and heritage who spin the fables and yarns of our great past that teamed with kings and queens and wisdom and knowledge. I put it to you. Read what Kayanation has brought forth to our hungry minds yearning to be free, then answer my questions with the same frankness and bluntness (and without rancor) in which I asked them above. If we are to grow beyond and overcome the restrictions that held us back then, and hold us down now, we need to explore what it was that brought our mighty nations to their knees in what must now seem like a battle of David & Goliath...with the same outcome, so when we do reembrace our glorious past we will have the essence of self not to repeat what went before. Living in the footsteps of another man is a huge pill to swallow. I still think most of us have yet to get it unstuck from our throats
and go where? Bush and CO. made it so messed up for americans hell you cant go any where in the world and not get fucked up because everybody hate americans. Also like Planet Asia said in his song, "not Satisfied"
"I dont hate america but the grass aint greener on the other genoside.."
you wouldnt even make it to the front porch. Period.
He already is and you DONT EVEN KNOW it. Its 2007 and we still only have one black owner of a major sports team? Cant be president, not spart enough. Cant be a great QB because we're labeled dumb. All the major diseases are Number one killers in the Black community and we are not going to even talk about hollywood and their bullshit.
With aids in africa on the rise, Blacks killing blacks on the daily and SARS / MRSA wiping out Asia.. You'll see as as Sports team logos in 25 years.
But, until bullshit like this will never fly because thats not the system your in. And dont be typing me no hate shit and all that I really dont give a fuck, just my two cent, I'm OUT!!!
Its cool for you to opinionate your views but then dont wanna hear some one retort yours? Thats rich. Face the music dawg. Man up and listen. I sat and read your post and retorted, now can I say your post was a waste of my time now? ALl I can say is this.. I was all for uplifting my race, but I am beyond that. I am about uplifting the HUMAN race. IF we dont get this shit right and right now, we're all extinct in 5 years..
Period.
Damn. I done went and run the brother off his own thread. He got so frsutrated(?) with what I said he went and dipped into another of his threads. Blinded by the Light, I guess. Alright Bruh Nation. I lay the gauntlet down on the ground. You're released from having to answer my questions of ignorance. But I will say this: no longer will I go lockstep in stride along the paths of wisdom you open up.
Thanks for this thread. Despite my unanswered questions it was very informative
Thanks for this thread. Despite my unanswered questions it was very informative
Bro, I haven't gone anywhere.............
Do you realistically expect me to answer all your questions in one post?
I too am trying to piece together that puzzle.
The parts I have put together so far, I have made threads out of them e.g.
The Role of Alcohol & Tobacco in Slavery even in 2007
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=157102
Scramble for Africa
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=133853
Powernomic: the national plan to Empower Black America
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=133912
Life Changing Books
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=116770
I would say one thing though, the Caucasian man cannot afford to play Kumbaya with non-white peoples ( the world's majority). thus it may be a survival mechanism within them to conquer and subjugate peoples of the world to prevent extinction in their current form.
I haven't seen that need to dominate the world from any other group of people in our current socially constructed form.
That is where I can start.
Everything else is toward that end.
Books like The Isis papers etc... gives a good starting point but you can't realistically expect me to create a post to answer those questions and do justice even if i had all the answers.................
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Marimba Ani
Yurugu: An African-Centered Critique of European Cultural Thought and Behavior
Within the nature of European culture there exists a statement of value or of "moral" behavior that has no meaning for the members of that culture. I call this the "rhetorical ethic;" it is of great importance for the understanding of the dynamics of the culture. The concepts of traditional European anthropology are inadequate to explain the phenomenon to which I am referring here, as it has no counterpart in the types of cultures to which anthropologists have generally directed their attention in the past. But with the concept of asili, which facilitates an ideological approach to the study of culture, the rhetorical ethic becomes visible; even compelling. It fits the logic of the European asili, assisting the culture in the achievement and maintenance of power. Without this interpretation certain manifestations within the verbal iconography of the culture appear to be inconsistent with its underlying ideological thrust. And that simply would not make sense. Let us see how the mechanism of the rhetorical ethic works.
Don't be scared.............
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i had such a hard time understanding this book. even though i got the jist of alot of what she was saying but sister built a brothers vocabulary alot cause i was reading the dictionary as much as her book! people had study groups and all that for this 1 book. good read. would love to go to one of her lectures.
thanks for the share.
Yeah I've been told by a few that I can be impatient at times. Something as profound as what you brought forth here in this thread needed to be questioned. Instead of a bunch of people coming in and "co-signing" the information then getting back to whatever they came to BGOL for, this subject matter needed to be delved into on a deeper level instead of simply being accepted blindly.
My own failure was in waiting for you to look for answers instead of taking the initiative. You are real Bruh Nation. You took the time to consider and search where most would just brush it off. You have my respect, but you don't need for me to quantify and qualify. You're doin damn good. Thanks for putting up with this impatient neophyte. Now if you'll excuse me I have some reading to do
Well said!
Yeah I've been told by a few that I can be impatient at times. Something as profound as what you brought forth here in this thread needed to be questioned. Instead of a bunch of people coming in and "co-signing" the information then getting back to whatever they came to BGOL for, this subject matter needed to be delved into on a deeper level instead of simply being accepted blindly.
My own failure was in waiting for you to look for answers instead of taking the initiative. You are real Bruh Nation. You took the time to consider and search where most would just brush it off. You have my respect, but you don't need for me to quantify and qualify. You're doin damn good. Thanks for putting up with this impatient neophyte. Now if you'll excuse me I have some reading to do
I'm on that journey too bro...............
Kay,
African studies are hard to find in todays Universities. One most be self taught to get a overall understanding of this field of study.
Thanks for the Drop.
African studies are hard to find in todays Universities. One most be self taught to get a overall understanding of this field of study.
Thanks for the Drop.
If the members here are willing and able to grasp the ideas and concepts listed and given in this link, I will be more than willing to open up a site for discussion. Of a Positive type:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/africa/cuvl/
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/africa/cuvl/
I know that cosigners are usually the only ones welcomed to this party, but I couldn't get past the beginning which was all, "European this and European that."
Do ya'll really need someone to tell you that the white man has bigger weapons and isn't afraid to use them.
And all that Kumbaya bullshit about when we lived all peaceful, blah, blah, blah. We were some of the most fearsome warriors EVER! We didn't sit around worrying about THEM; cause we were too busy worrying about US.
Here is my philosophy and correct me if I am wrong. I don't care if the world were all black, all brown or all green; somebody is gonna be the chief which means the rest of you muhfuckas gonna have to be Indians.
How does one get to be and stay the chief; fear, power and ass kickings.
Make the world all black tomorrow and war will continue; believe that.
Do ya'll really need someone to tell you that the white man has bigger weapons and isn't afraid to use them.
And all that Kumbaya bullshit about when we lived all peaceful, blah, blah, blah. We were some of the most fearsome warriors EVER! We didn't sit around worrying about THEM; cause we were too busy worrying about US.
Here is my philosophy and correct me if I am wrong. I don't care if the world were all black, all brown or all green; somebody is gonna be the chief which means the rest of you muhfuckas gonna have to be Indians.
How does one get to be and stay the chief; fear, power and ass kickings.
Make the world all black tomorrow and war will continue; believe that.
So is there a point to all that you typed?
Do do want to sum it up, what is the way forward???
well blacks will never change. just look at those fools calling themselves redbone, yellabone or mixed. even the mexican are taking over all the jobs and creating a strong market and economy in their cities and neighborhood. so where's the future of the black man on this earth? killing each other, spending money on bullshit, then their parents not doing nothing to educate or mentor them. check out bill cosby. in the next 25 years, the black man wont have his place in this country unless he plays basket ball or football. mexicans are multiplying like chinese and will take over in politics, economy and even sports. we gonna become a tiny strugling minority. look at louisiana, they choose an Indian Governor over blacks. watch out folks
We all will struggle one way or another. We just have to pick out battles.
That is what I got from it Kay.
I think a major mistake was made by whites when they constructed the social construct known as white.
White being possessing a state of non-melanin.
They basically have become the minority in the world based on a recessive gene.......
What do you think would happen over time?????
Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin
[SIZE=-1]By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 16, 2005; A01[/SIZE]
Scientists said yesterday that they have discovered a tiny genetic mutation that largely explains the first appearance of white skin in humans tens of thousands of years ago, a finding that helps solve one of biology's most enduring mysteries and illuminates one of humanity's greatest sources of strife.
The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned.
That person's offspring apparently thrived as humans moved northward into what is now Europe, helping to give rise to the lightest of the world's races.
Leaders of the study, at Penn State University, warned against interpreting the finding as a discovery of "the race gene."
Race is a vaguely defined biological, social and political concept, they noted, and skin color is only part of what race is -- and is not.
In fact, several scientists said, the new work shows just how small a biological difference is reflected by skin color.
The newly found mutation involves a change of just one letter of DNA code out of the 3.1 billion letters in the human genome -- the complete instructions for making a human being.
"It's a major finding in a very sensitive area," said Stephen Oppenheimer, an expert in anthropological genetics at Oxford University, who was not involved in the work. "Almost all the differences used to differentiate populations from around the world really are skin deep."
The work raises a raft of new questions -- not least of which is why white skin caught on so thoroughly in northern climes once it arose.
Some scientists suggest that lighter skin offered a strong survival advantage for people who migrated out of Africa by boosting their levels of bone-strengthening vitamin D; others have posited that its novelty and showiness simply made it more attractive to those seeking mates.
The work also reveals for the first time that Asians owe their relatively light skin to different mutations.
That means that light skin arose independently at least twice in human evolution, in each case affecting populations with the facial and other traits that today are commonly regarded as the hallmarks of Caucasian and Asian races.
Several sociologists and others said they feared that such revelations might wrongly overshadow the prevailing finding of genetics over the past 10 years: that the number of DNA differences between races is tiny compared with the range of genetic diversity found within any single racial group.
Even study leader Keith Cheng said he was at first uncomfortable talking about the new work, fearing that the finding of such a clear genetic difference between people of African and European ancestries might reawaken discredited assertions of other purported inborn differences between races -- the most long-standing and inflammatory of those being intelligence.
"I think human beings are extremely insecure and look to visual cues of sameness to feel better, and people will do bad things to people who look different," Cheng said.
The discovery, described in today's issue of the journal Science, was an unexpected outgrowth of studies Cheng and his colleagues were conducting on inch-long zebra fish, which are popular research tools for geneticists and developmental biologists. Having identified a gene that, when mutated, interferes with its ability to make its characteristic black stripes, the team scanned human DNA databases to see if a similar gene resides in people.
To their surprise, they found virtually identical pigment-building genes in humans, chickens, dogs, cows and many others species, an indication of its biological value.
They got a bigger surprise when they looked in a new database comparing the genomes of four of the world's major racial groups. That showed that whites with northern and western European ancestry have a mutated version of the gene.
Skin color is a reflection of the amount and distribution of the pigment melanin, which in humans protects against damaging ultraviolet rays but in other species is also used for camouflage or other purposes.
The mutation that deprives zebra fish of their stripes blocks the creation of a protein whose job is to move charged atoms across cell membranes, an obscure process that is crucial to the accumulation of melanin inside cells.
Humans of European descent, Cheng's team found, bear a slightly different mutation that hobbles the same protein with similar effect. The defect does not affect melanin deposition in other parts of the body, including the hair and eyes, whose tints are under the control of other genes.
A few genes have previously been associated with human pigment disorders -- most notably those that, when mutated, lead to albinism, an extreme form of pigment loss.
But the newly found glitch is the first found to play a role in the formation of "normal" white skin.
The Penn State team calculates that the gene, known as slc24a5, is responsible for about one-third of the pigment loss that made black skin white. A few other as-yet-unidentified mutated genes apparently account for the rest.
Although precise dating is impossible, several scientists speculated on the basis of its spread and variation that the mutation arose between 20,000 and 50,000 years ago.
That would be consistent with research showing that a wave of ancestral humans migrated northward and eastward out of Africa about 50,000 years ago.
Unlike most mutations, this one quickly overwhelmed its ancestral version, at least in Europe, suggesting it had a real benefit. Many scientists suspect that benefit has to do with vitamin D, made in the body with the help of sunlight and critical to proper bone development.
Sun intensity is great enough in equatorial regions that the vitamin can still be made in dark-skinned people despite the ultraviolet shielding effects of melanin. In the north, where sunlight is less intense and cold weather demands that more clothing be worn, melanin's ultraviolet shielding became a liability, the thinking goes.
Today that solar requirement is largely irrelevant because many foods are supplemented with vitamin D.
Some scientists said they suspect that white skin's rapid rise to genetic dominance may also be the product of "sexual selection," a phenomenon of evolutionary biology in which almost any new and showy trait in a healthy individual can become highly prized by those seeking mates, perhaps because it provides evidence of genetic innovativeness.
Cheng and co-worker Victor A. Canfield said their discovery could have practical spinoffs. A gene so crucial to the buildup of melanin in the skin might be a good target for new drugs against melanoma, for example, a cancer of melanin cells in which slc24a5 works overtime.
But they and others agreed that, for better or worse, the finding's most immediate impact may be an escalating debate about the meaning of race.
Recent revelations that all people are more than 99.9 percent genetically identical has proved that race has almost no biological validity.
Yet geneticists' claims that race is a phony construct have not rung true to many nonscientists -- and understandably so, said Vivian Ota Wang of the National Human Genome Research Institute in Bethesda.
"You may tell people that race isn't real and doesn't matter, but they can't catch a cab," Ota Wang said. "So unless we take that into account it makes us sound crazy."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728.html
White being possessing a state of non-melanin.
They basically have become the minority in the world based on a recessive gene.......
What do you think would happen over time?????
Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin
[SIZE=-1]By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 16, 2005; A01[/SIZE]
Scientists said yesterday that they have discovered a tiny genetic mutation that largely explains the first appearance of white skin in humans tens of thousands of years ago, a finding that helps solve one of biology's most enduring mysteries and illuminates one of humanity's greatest sources of strife.
The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned.
That person's offspring apparently thrived as humans moved northward into what is now Europe, helping to give rise to the lightest of the world's races.
Leaders of the study, at Penn State University, warned against interpreting the finding as a discovery of "the race gene."
Race is a vaguely defined biological, social and political concept, they noted, and skin color is only part of what race is -- and is not.
In fact, several scientists said, the new work shows just how small a biological difference is reflected by skin color.
The newly found mutation involves a change of just one letter of DNA code out of the 3.1 billion letters in the human genome -- the complete instructions for making a human being.
"It's a major finding in a very sensitive area," said Stephen Oppenheimer, an expert in anthropological genetics at Oxford University, who was not involved in the work. "Almost all the differences used to differentiate populations from around the world really are skin deep."
The work raises a raft of new questions -- not least of which is why white skin caught on so thoroughly in northern climes once it arose.
Some scientists suggest that lighter skin offered a strong survival advantage for people who migrated out of Africa by boosting their levels of bone-strengthening vitamin D; others have posited that its novelty and showiness simply made it more attractive to those seeking mates.
The work also reveals for the first time that Asians owe their relatively light skin to different mutations.
That means that light skin arose independently at least twice in human evolution, in each case affecting populations with the facial and other traits that today are commonly regarded as the hallmarks of Caucasian and Asian races.
Several sociologists and others said they feared that such revelations might wrongly overshadow the prevailing finding of genetics over the past 10 years: that the number of DNA differences between races is tiny compared with the range of genetic diversity found within any single racial group.
Even study leader Keith Cheng said he was at first uncomfortable talking about the new work, fearing that the finding of such a clear genetic difference between people of African and European ancestries might reawaken discredited assertions of other purported inborn differences between races -- the most long-standing and inflammatory of those being intelligence.
"I think human beings are extremely insecure and look to visual cues of sameness to feel better, and people will do bad things to people who look different," Cheng said.
The discovery, described in today's issue of the journal Science, was an unexpected outgrowth of studies Cheng and his colleagues were conducting on inch-long zebra fish, which are popular research tools for geneticists and developmental biologists. Having identified a gene that, when mutated, interferes with its ability to make its characteristic black stripes, the team scanned human DNA databases to see if a similar gene resides in people.
To their surprise, they found virtually identical pigment-building genes in humans, chickens, dogs, cows and many others species, an indication of its biological value.
They got a bigger surprise when they looked in a new database comparing the genomes of four of the world's major racial groups. That showed that whites with northern and western European ancestry have a mutated version of the gene.
Skin color is a reflection of the amount and distribution of the pigment melanin, which in humans protects against damaging ultraviolet rays but in other species is also used for camouflage or other purposes.
The mutation that deprives zebra fish of their stripes blocks the creation of a protein whose job is to move charged atoms across cell membranes, an obscure process that is crucial to the accumulation of melanin inside cells.
Humans of European descent, Cheng's team found, bear a slightly different mutation that hobbles the same protein with similar effect. The defect does not affect melanin deposition in other parts of the body, including the hair and eyes, whose tints are under the control of other genes.
A few genes have previously been associated with human pigment disorders -- most notably those that, when mutated, lead to albinism, an extreme form of pigment loss.
But the newly found glitch is the first found to play a role in the formation of "normal" white skin.
The Penn State team calculates that the gene, known as slc24a5, is responsible for about one-third of the pigment loss that made black skin white. A few other as-yet-unidentified mutated genes apparently account for the rest.
Although precise dating is impossible, several scientists speculated on the basis of its spread and variation that the mutation arose between 20,000 and 50,000 years ago.
That would be consistent with research showing that a wave of ancestral humans migrated northward and eastward out of Africa about 50,000 years ago.
Unlike most mutations, this one quickly overwhelmed its ancestral version, at least in Europe, suggesting it had a real benefit. Many scientists suspect that benefit has to do with vitamin D, made in the body with the help of sunlight and critical to proper bone development.
Sun intensity is great enough in equatorial regions that the vitamin can still be made in dark-skinned people despite the ultraviolet shielding effects of melanin. In the north, where sunlight is less intense and cold weather demands that more clothing be worn, melanin's ultraviolet shielding became a liability, the thinking goes.
Today that solar requirement is largely irrelevant because many foods are supplemented with vitamin D.
Some scientists said they suspect that white skin's rapid rise to genetic dominance may also be the product of "sexual selection," a phenomenon of evolutionary biology in which almost any new and showy trait in a healthy individual can become highly prized by those seeking mates, perhaps because it provides evidence of genetic innovativeness.
Cheng and co-worker Victor A. Canfield said their discovery could have practical spinoffs. A gene so crucial to the buildup of melanin in the skin might be a good target for new drugs against melanoma, for example, a cancer of melanin cells in which slc24a5 works overtime.
But they and others agreed that, for better or worse, the finding's most immediate impact may be an escalating debate about the meaning of race.
Recent revelations that all people are more than 99.9 percent genetically identical has proved that race has almost no biological validity.
Yet geneticists' claims that race is a phony construct have not rung true to many nonscientists -- and understandably so, said Vivian Ota Wang of the National Human Genome Research Institute in Bethesda.
"You may tell people that race isn't real and doesn't matter, but they can't catch a cab," Ota Wang said. "So unless we take that into account it makes us sound crazy."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728.html
Excellent Post, I wonder how I missed this, thanks for this contribution kayanation
Excellent Post, I wonder how I missed this, thanks for this contribution kayanation
May have been the title.....
Bless.
agreed... as if racism has a forward & correct direction
first, it's an illusion of freedom... that "freedom" is fine as long as it isn't potent enough to affect the "american-way". but i guarantee if u say the words "bomb", "kill", "jihad" and "bush" enough times on your cell phone...
no, "he" doesn't have to respect you... and no, he doesn't...because he doesn't feel like he has to. the fact that you're playing "his" games is your buy-in to his disrespect for you. i'm no hypocrite, i play them too, and say this to myself daily. and i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you've ALREADY been cheated. the little victories you feel like you've won keep you docile enough to believe that your freedoms are completely in your control.
i struggle with this daily fam... very pointed and well thought out questions. and without reading all the knowledge kaya dropped, i try to answer this fundamentally, with whatever commons i've been blessed with. my answer... PAIN. "inflict a main with pain, and he'll give you what u want". i heard that from a fellow martial artist in relation to getting the upper hand on an opponent. pain changes a man's paradigm. especially given to a man that has long since forgotten what it was. when you live in a world where there is respect for unspoken laws, you don't know how to cope with lawlessness. running risk of summoning colin... much more to be said. but i think the point here, is to reconnect and respect the ideals that gave/gives us our identity as people of the afrikan diaspora
peace kaya for the knowledge
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