I have a general question. How many Bernie supporters on here are not voting at all in tbe general because he will not be selected as the DNC candidate?
Ballscout1 Bait: Batshit Crazy Bernie Sanders Fans Are Asked To Explain Their Batshitedness (colin)
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I have to admit. There are some batshit Bernie supporters. They're the ones going to Trump and Clinton rallies starting shit. What other candidate has supporters who do that shit? SOME Sander supporters are the types to yell about intolerance while kicking someone's ass for wearing the pin of another candidate(be it Trump or Clinton). 
I'd like to see a poll on this.
They are also the people who don't know the rules but claim the rules have been changed.I have to admit. There are some batshit Bernie supporters. They're the ones going to Trump and Clinton rallies starting shit. What other candidate has supporters who do that shit? SOME Sander supporters are the types to yell about intolerance while kicking someone's ass for wearing the pin of another candidate(be it Trump or Clinton).
I'm voting in the general for everything local, but I will NOT vote for Clinton. Sanders will have a write in vote on my ballot.
Democrats are either going to be progressive, or lean liberal...or its just not worth my time to fight for their party anymore.
I know what the Republicans are going to do...the Democrats stay trying to do the same shit, just with a smile on their face and Black dialects...
Fuck that bullshit
Democrats are either going to be progressive, or lean liberal...or its just not worth my time to fight for their party anymore.
I know what the Republicans are going to do...the Democrats stay trying to do the same shit, just with a smile on their face and Black dialects...
Fuck that bullshit
Stop being a bitch and vote for Trump. You are going this route so when Trump wins and destroys everything you will say it wasn't your fault. It is
I'm glad you know what republicans will do and you are happy to help them do it.
ACA gone
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...-would-repeal-obamacare-examine-mental-health
Social Security gone
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-altman/trump-and-ryan-agree-lets_b_9992656.html
Free lunches for poor kids at schools gone.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-school-lunch_us_573c7e82e4b0ef86171cca10
Abortion criminal act
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._573df1b9e4b0aee7b8e94b41?utm_hp_ref=politics
Voting rights gone
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/republican-voter-suppression/
Fighting global warming progress reversed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ng-the-paris-climate-agreement-is-so-bizarre/
http://phys.org/news/2016-05-hottest-year-scientists.html
Incarceration to increase
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...s_573e3305e4b00e09e89e8cad?4zy2dhg5569vhd7vih
Muslims banned
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._573de721e4b0aee7b8e93c02?utm_hp_ref=politics
Global health issues ignored
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/congressional-republicans-reject-robust-response-zika-threat
Medicare cut
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/05/13/trum-m13.html
Unsafe Highways
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/congress-zika-truck-safety_us_573cfc0ae4b0646cbeec1b89
You are ignorant
Please explain how the country will go progressive with Trump appointing SC justices..
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I don't think he'll be back...
It's funny. The hardcore-republican establishment doesn't even believe that shit can get done under Trump. They are hip to him not being a real republican, but he manipulated the hate in their base. The very hate they spent years relying on may kill their party.
And people such as yourself, the post, and others who believed his Muslim ban and wall horseshit helped fuel Trump. Without the left harping on that bullshit, Trump never gets the credibility needed and is exposed months ago as being a fake republican.
Why do you think he rushed out a Supreme Court list? After fucking up and talking all that middle shit after Cruz dropped out, he started to expose himself.
Trump will do whatever the republicans want. He doesn't give a shit what happens to the country. He got his trophy being President and he loves the attention he gets from republican base.
10 out of 11 things I posted are already being done or tried to be done by Republicans. Obama is their last obstacle.
Muslim ban might happen. But everything else and more is already happening.
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You all saying you are progressives and for Bernie's platform are a big fat fucking joke. This country is on the verge of going the farthest right it has every been.
Wake the fuck up and vote for Hillary, let her appoint 3 SP justices, and then vote he out after 4 years. Unless your 15 you are not going to escape a 6-3 right wing Supreme Court.
Not necessary for you Gene.
You know that video shows there was no conspiracy against Bernie delegates...right?
Just incompetence. Which is the whole delegate process.
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We are talking about the same Trump, correct? The Trump who went into SC and clowned Bush and the Iraq war. The same Trump who let Jenner use any bathroom in Trump tower. The same Trump who made the mistake of revealing his ideas that catered to the right were suggestions. That's the guy who will do what Republicans want?
Isn't it obvious by now that this guy just wants the title? He's trolling both sides to the top. He's saying shit so the ultra-sensitive bite and make him the hero of the people who are angry. Stop falling for his shit. If he gets in office, he is going to do him. Do I know what that is? No. But I'm almost 100 percent sure it's not all this over-the-top shit he been saying to get him in this position. That was a brilliant troll play. And it obviously worked.
Why do you think the republican establishment doesn't want him in? They know he will dictate the pace. The ones who are jumping on the bandwagon are doing so in order to stay relevant and keep the money and power. Country isn't on the verge of going the farthest right it's ever been. It's on the verge of having the far right get fucked over in an epic fashion.
Much like Clinton and the dems do the black voters, Trump is doing the far right. Trump putting out those names of justices is like Clinton going to a black church and singing church hymns.
Yes, I'm voting democrat, but you diehard cats on the left are going to allow Trump to troll you right to the White House. Attack him on his inexperience. Attack him for not being a true conservative which might get republicans to stay home. Attack him for having no loyalty to either side.
I agree for the most part, but I don't think Trump would do his own thing. No president can be expected to know everything, they require advisors. He is afraid of being made fun of, of being thought uninformed or uneducated about things so I think he would rely HEAVILY on their advice so he is thought to be "presidential". No one really knows at this point who he is listening to. If he did make it into office (Please God, no) most likely he would chose GOP advisors with their own agenda or, worse, crazy teaparty ones who want a scorched earth anyway. He is a vindictive and unpredictable man, so they may have some fear of him, but none would respect him. He has broken away on some issues, such as the wealthy paying more taxes, but his stances on issues change every time the wind blows. I don't think any policy ideas he'd put forth or act on would be his own.
thing is every real interview exposes his ignorance and blithe arrogance
How about the violence verbally threatened.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-nevada-dem-chair_us_573b4b8de4b0aee7b8e7dfa2
No way these people would throw a chair...
Basic step-by-step of what went down yesterday at Nevada Convention, with background info and video links for better understanding.self.SandersForPresident
*BASIC STEP-BY-STEP OF WHAT WENT DOWN! *
It's easy to feel outrage, but difficult to SHARE outrage when you aren't confident about explaining to others what is going on. I did my best here to compile background info and a breakdown of yesterday's events so we can educate ourselves and, subsequently, educate others.
BACKGROUND INFO:
Nevada Caucus - has 3 tiers, 3rd tier wins state/delegates:
Shady rule-changing prior to last night:
WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY:
"Temporary Rules" debacle:
Sanders delegates debacle:
*BASIC STEP-BY-STEP OF WHAT WENT DOWN! *
It's easy to feel outrage, but difficult to SHARE outrage when you aren't confident about explaining to others what is going on. I did my best here to compile background info and a breakdown of yesterday's events so we can educate ourselves and, subsequently, educate others.
BACKGROUND INFO:
Nevada Caucus - has 3 tiers, 3rd tier wins state/delegates:
- 1st Tier (main televised caucus Feb 20th): Hillary won
- 2nd Tier (April 2nd): flipped to Bernie
- 3rd Tier (May 14th): last night's shitshow
Shady rule-changing prior to last night:
- Nevada Democratic Party knew that based on the 2nd Tier vote, the 3rd Tier would probably go to Bernie. They didn't want this. So they changed some rules around!
- Changed the Nevada Democratic Party rules so that Nevada's delegates would be awarded to the winner of the Feb 20th 1st Tier (ie Hillary).
- However, they also knew that educated people would try to make motions at the convention to object to this rule, and that those motions would probably pass! So....
- They also changed the Nevada Democratic Party rules so that all votes on the floor of the convention would be decided ONLY by a voice vote (all in favor say "aye", etc), and that the results of that voice vote would be decided ONLY by Nevada Democratic Party Chair Roberta Lange, and that her say was FINAL.
WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY:
"Temporary Rules" debacle:
- Item #1 on agenda of convention was to vote for these "Temporary Rules" to pass. This was conducted by paper ballot.
- Vote was supposed to be held after convention started, but instead it was held immediately at 10 am early at 9:30 when not everyone was inside the convention and not everyone who was inside had ballots. But you know who was inside and had all their ballots ready? All the Hillary earlybirds (early-hawks) that knew this vote was going to happen early. Vote passed.
- Motion to have a re-vote of the Temporary Rules was demanded by citizens. Nevada Democratic Party Chair Roberta Lange instead held a voice vote that the temporary rules would stay. Some AYES, resounding NAYS. But who cares! She votes to pass it. Video of that CHILLING MOMENT here, (PS the beginning of this video is confusing because Roberta Lange is on screen, but the voice is from a woman talking OFF-screen. The voice is of a concerned citizen demanding a re-vote.) :
Sanders delegates debacle:
- 64 delegates were ejected from the convention because they didn't have "the proper credentials", even though they did. They weren't allowed to prove they were credentialed. Shady.
- Most, if not all, of these ejected were Sanders delegates.
- Therefore, Clinton won by 30 delegates. How convenient.
- Barbara Boxer mocks Sanders supporters (who were objecting to how things were going down):http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...f_you_boo_me_youre_booing_bernie_sanders.html
- Roberta Lange commandeered all mics and surrounded herself by police so that no Sanders people could get on the mic
- Eventually Dan Rolle (NV 2nd Congressional District Candidate) was able to get on the mic and he made a motion to call for the removal of Roberta Lange as Chair. As soon as he made that motion, his microphone was cut immediately. Of course. Motion was ignored. Great explanation of why this motion was ignored, here. Thanks /u/wormhog! Happens at 42:40 here: https://www.periscope.tv/FenyxFX/1yNGawjozjrxj CRAP this periscope link expired - NEW LINK: Happens at 42:40 here:
- Nevada Democratic Party employs stalling tactics and psychological tactics to try to force people to leave. Making them wait hours while nothing happened, playing music SUPER LOUD, charging $5 for tiny little bottles of water. People online started ordering pizza for those inside. Some pizzas got in, but once it was realized what was going on, police started intercepting the pizzas and throwing them in the dumpster. the pizzas had to be moved outside.
- Jesse Sbaih (NV 3rd Congressional District Candidate) gets on microphone and makes motion for a recount to resounding cheers. Motion is ignored (it is against the rules to ignore a motion). Happens at 16:50 here:
- Roberta Lange jumps onstage and in like 15 seconds makes a bunch of motions that basically say "all the shady votes that happened here tonight stand, the pro-Hillary delegate results stand, and this meeting is adjourned". She does voice votes on all this. NAYs are ridiculously louder every time. But she passes everything regardless, ignoring the nays, then runs off stage. COMPLETE CHAOS ENSUES Videos of this: From Periscope Superhero FENYXFX great video, 21:42 here: From Adryenn Ashley - great closeup video, start at 3:50 From Asia Zamora, this one well captures the pain and sadness of the aftermath of democracy being stolen from us, start at 2:30 though:
- Police come in and everyone is told to leave or they will get arrested. Here's a pic: Video of DNC leaders running out side door:
- RESULTS: By the rule change and delegate suppression there is a change of 8 net delegates. Instead of Bernie winning by 19-16, the result is 20-15 Clinton now. Thank you to /u/puppuli for this info!
Nevada Democratic Party leaders "hijacked the process on the floor" of the state convention "ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do."
— Jeff Weaver on Tuesday, May 17th, 2016 in a television interview on CNN
Allegations of fraud and misconduct at Nevada Democratic convention unfounded
By Riley Snyder on Wednesday, May 18th, 2016 at 6:40 p.m.
Roberta Lange responds to threats after convention
KTNV - Las Vegas, NV
Supporters of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders are furious over the results of Nevada’s state Democratic Party convention in Las Vegas.
Sanders supporters loudly protested both during and after the convention, which saw Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton officially claim 20 pledged delegates to Sanders' 15.
Nevada’s delegate allocation process is complex, but Sanders supporters have accused the state Democratic Party of various crimes including ignoring attempts to change the rules, rigging the process in favor of Clinton and disqualifying several dozen delegates that supported Sanders.
Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver reiterated those concerns during a May 18 interview on CNN with John Vause.
"There was a horrendous breakdown, where the leadership there in Nevada hijacked the process on the floor, created a tremendous amount of angst among people who were there attending the convention, who were supporters of Sen. Sanders, by ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do," he said.
There’s little disagreement that the convention was chaotic. PolitiFact Nevada was at the convention and saw it firsthand. But does the Sanders campaign’s complaints have merit?
What was at stake
Nevada’s presidential caucuses were held back in February, which saw Clinton defeat Sanders by a roughly 5 percent margin among the roughly 80,000 voters who participated.
But Nevada’s process of allocating delegates isn’t so cut and dried, as PolitiFact has previously explained.
Only 23 of the state’s 43 delegates are officially locked in as a result of the February caucuses. Clinton won 13 of that pool, while Sanders won 10.
Another group of eight are so-called "superdelegates," who aren’t bound to any candidate and independently decide who to support. (Five currently support Clinton and one backs Sanders in Nevada.)
That leaves 12 delegates technically up for grabs at the state convention in May. That number is made up of five pledged "party leader and elected official" delegates and seven "at-large" delegates awarded proportionally, so whichever campaign has the majority at the state convention "wins" the odd-numbered delegate from those two groups.
Barring a total collapse from either campaign, this means that one candidate was to get seven delegates at the state convention and the other was to get five.
As PolitiFact wrote in April, the process is supposed to look something like a Matryoshka doll — smaller amounts of delegates at each step of the process, but retaining the same proportions of the initial February caucus.
But that model was essentially broken during the April county conventions, where less than half of Clinton’s allocated county delegates showed up, leading Sanders to declare a surprise victoryand allocated delegate advantage over Clinton (2,124 to 1,792) heading into the state convention.
Convention confusion
Tensions were already mounting in the weeks before the convention, with a small group of Sanders supporters filing a lawsuit against the state party (which was dismissed by a Las Vegas judge) and creating a petition demanding the convention rules be changed.
The fight over rules had been going on since April, according to an email chain posted by Nevada political journalist Jon Ralston, between Sanders superdelegate Erin Bilbray and party chairwoman Roberta Lange.
Supporters of Sanders believed that the convention rules, which have been largely the same since 2008, gave an unfair amount of power to Lange, the convention chair. The rules specifically lay out that all convention votes must be done by voice vote, and that only the convention chair can declare the winner or call for a more specific method of voting among the thousands of delegates.
The rules, which can be read here, also state that any amendment attempts must be approved by two-thirds of the convention delegates — which would be difficult given the nearly even number of Clinton and Sanders backers present.
Sanders backers say the continuing nature of the presidential primary necessitated more rule changes.
The Sanders campaign did not respond to a request for comment. In a previous statement, the campaign detailed several allegations of misconduct from the state party, which we considered as part of this fact-check. "At that convention the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place," the campaign said in that statement.
However, there were no last minute rule changes sprung on convention-goers — the rules had been publicly available weeks in advance, largely unchanged for three presidential cycles, and given to both campaigns.
The first major fight happened in the morning, with the convention being gaveled in nearly 40 minutes after the scheduled 9 a.m. start time.
In a voice vote, Lange approved adoption of a preliminary credentialsreport showing more Clinton than Sanders delegates. Immediate howls of protests from the Sanders contingent emerged, many of whom rushed the dais and started screaming insults and obscenities directly at Lange.
Although several videos from the event appear to have louder "nays" than "yeas," both preliminary and final delegate counts showed that Clinton supporters outnumbered Sanders supporters in the room.
And trying to determine the outcome of a voice vote from a video of around 3,000 delegates is somewhat arbitrary to begin with. The only person with authority to call for a different voting mechanism is the convention chair: Lange.
http://www.politifact.com/nevada/st...tions-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/
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