Avengers: Endgame (2019) Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)
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the dude that dropped that complete and utter bullsh*t spoiler list should have his IP address tracked and be tarred and feathered.
They just basically did not give one single f*ck about the traditional cinematic rules for time travel huh?
Basically that scene with the Hulk talking to Rhodey and Scott...
he was actually speaking DIRECTLY t o the audience saying "Yeah f*ck what you heard, we doing time travel like THIS!!!
Basically that scene with the Hulk talking to Rhodey and Scott...
he was actually speaking DIRECTLY t o the audience saying "Yeah f*ck what you heard, we doing time travel like THIS!!!
they GREATLY oversold this whole Captain Marvel is the key stuff...
and I am realizing more and more Brie just aint clicking as Marvel.
It isn't no woman hating cause ALL the OTHER women were OUTSTANDING (young and old)
she just doesn't WORK.
She was barely on screen...and when she was?
she didn't OWN it.
Scarlet Witch? She OWNED IT!
Hell Natalie Portman getting out of BED owned it!
and I am realizing more and more Brie just aint clicking as Marvel.
It isn't no woman hating cause ALL the OTHER women were OUTSTANDING (young and old)
she just doesn't WORK.
She was barely on screen...and when she was?
she didn't OWN it.
Scarlet Witch? She OWNED IT!
Hell Natalie Portman getting out of BED owned it!
Liked how it came down to the OG Avengers in the end..
nicely done.
Like a love letter to the ENTIRE universe.
(a still feel Blade is getting shorted in all this)
nicely done.
Like a love letter to the ENTIRE universe.
(a still feel Blade is getting shorted in all this)
I saw people CRYING REAL TEARS during this movie...
and real talk
RDJ had a one helluva death scene.
He EARNED that send off he held this whole thing together.
and real talk
RDJ had a one helluva death scene.
He EARNED that send off he held this whole thing together.
OK the black Widow thing kinda sorta surprised me.
Not ONE person clapped when Sam got the shield (besides me)
that nigga wack
Cause he was part of team animosity... I already said avenger were mad at world peace and needed to start chaos again..you proving my point..only people stirring shit up was the sexless heroes... Turned iron man wife into a widow and single mother and his daughter into a fatherless child.. He'll next movie Spider-Man leaves his suit at home and goes on vacation unappreciative bastard..Tony did the mission just for that kid and he couldn't even carry the suit around in his name..told you ungrateful bastards all around...Avenger were the bad guys... Strange lined him up, the sexless crew convinced Tony not to be a good father, and Parker won't even wear a memorial suit
The world being at peace doesn't mean there are no bad people still doing bad shit. Hell America technically is at peace and there's all kinds of fucked up sghit happening in the streets.
I saw this tonight and enjoyed it very much. It's a nice companion piece to Infinity War. I wish the final battle lasted a little longer.
I saw this tonight and enjoyed it very much. It's a nice companion piece to Infinity War. I wish the final battle lasted a little longer.
In MCU movies, they usually put a pause in the dialogue when they expect the audience to clap or laugh so you really don't miss anything. I'll go back and watch it again, but I didn't notice that type of pause. So if enough people started to clap, the audience could have missed something.
that corpse fucker should've died on the battlefield not go stalking dead puss y and going back in time to fuck her..not messed with time juss to stalk pussy..Tony died for this?... Cap like I finally got the bitc h I been stalking now here goes my shield I'm done... Bucky on the sideline like wait I thought we were boys... Captain convince Tony to die so he could go have sex.. Thanos was right ungrateful bastards
Low key captain been a hater of Tony when captain asked what are you without a suit and Tony gave him a rundown of his portfolio... You seen what captain was with peace a sexless seminar worker
Man beaten up outside theater after spoiling ‘Avengers: Endgame’
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...0190428-rzamfw7o35f6zblwzde7jfrsv4-story.html
A man was beaten and bloodied outside a theater in Hong Kong after shouting spoilers to “Avengers: Endgame” to theater-goers who were lined up before a screening of the movie.
The man, dressed in white, reportedly exited his 3-hour screening and began loudly spoiling the movie’s plot by the theater entrance. Moviegoers who were waiting by the doors to enter (for the next show) were fuming and some reportedly went to beat the man up to teach him a lesson.
A photo that is going viral shows the aftermath as the man is treated and is seated with blood visible on the ground.
It's reported that this incident happened outside a cinema in Causeway Bay, Hong Kong.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...0190428-rzamfw7o35f6zblwzde7jfrsv4-story.html
A man was beaten and bloodied outside a theater in Hong Kong after shouting spoilers to “Avengers: Endgame” to theater-goers who were lined up before a screening of the movie.
The man, dressed in white, reportedly exited his 3-hour screening and began loudly spoiling the movie’s plot by the theater entrance. Moviegoers who were waiting by the doors to enter (for the next show) were fuming and some reportedly went to beat the man up to teach him a lesson.
A photo that is going viral shows the aftermath as the man is treated and is seated with blood visible on the ground.
It's reported that this incident happened outside a cinema in Causeway Bay, Hong Kong.
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naw man..
people were clapping all over the place
Stan Lee, the all female Avengers, Tony hugging Spidey, the black girl in the elevator recognizing clap...
It was a clap and crying fest.
stop that.
I CANNOT wait for these white basement locked fanboys to see Sam in the costume.
sidebar...
on the train home late my kid She wearing Avengers tee shirt and got a poster. A white girl russian? sitting directly across from me. wearing these knee high all white boots with a black stripe torn jeans and a jacket. She listening to my convo about the movie asks my daughter how was the movie small chit chat. She falls sleeping on my shoulder. This russian woman smiling at me saying its so cute I'm like thanks, But my head is on getting back so I can switch at the hospital, so I kinda zone out. Then I notice this chick opens her jacket to show me the black lace see thru top she wearing with the wickedest smile this side of Lucifer. WITH MY KID right there sleeping on my shoulder. there is a WHOLE other side to this city fam, You GOTTA give me a tour before I finally move out of this crazy town.
i. thouhgt cap would at least go and bag sharon.
Banner told you who the avenger really were 3-10 sec mark
Captain been jealous since this argument 18-27 sec mark
Captain tries to convince suicide 35-41 sec mark
Captain gets exposed by Tony 48-58 sec mark
Evil Hawkeye shows who he really was 60 sec mark
Captain wants to hurt iron man cause his life is better 1:26 Mark
The info been out there...animosity crew is real
Captain been jealous since this argument 18-27 sec mark
Captain tries to convince suicide 35-41 sec mark
Captain gets exposed by Tony 48-58 sec mark
Evil Hawkeye shows who he really was 60 sec mark
Captain wants to hurt iron man cause his life is better 1:26 Mark
The info been out there...animosity crew is real
The 7 Biggest Avengers: Endgame Time-Travel Questions, Answered
Good news: The latest Avengers movie is not confusing at all. It’s a straightforward romance set in a small town, where the superheroes spend the majority of the movie cooking meals, softly bickering, and contemplating the weather. It’s like August: Osage County, only this time Benedict Cumberbatch has a beard.
Just kidding! Avengers: Endgame isn’t the most convoluted time-travel movie of all time, but maybe that’s because we, the audience, were somehow also flung back in time at some point during the course of the movie’s 182 minutes and lost our memories of convoluted time-travel stories along the way. In the 22nd installment to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, there were doppelgänger confrontations, there were conflicting rules about how said doppelgänger confrontations might alter the past or future, there was an ending that made you wonder, Huh, can he do that? In other words, you probably have more than a few lingering questions about how the hell time works in the MCU, and we’re here to answer them:
Massive spoilers ahead for Avengers: Endgame.
What are the rules of time travel according to Bruce Banner?
First, let’s explain why time travel is necessary. The Avengers’ agenda in Endgame is as follows: It’s the year 2023. The Avengers have, by this point, tried and failed to secure the Infinity Stones that Thanos brought with him to his retirement planet after he turned 50 percent of the world to dust. Turns out, in fact, he destroyed the stones, so there’s no way to reverse his deadly snap by simply stealing the rocks back in the current timeline.
Enter Ant-Man, who has finally returned to Avengers headquarters after a conveniently curious rat freed him from the Quantum Realm. He’s back to suggest that the superheroes use his girlfriend’s dad’s technology to — what else? — time travel. Scott was stuck in the microverse for five years, he asserts, but only five hours passed for him. Could his more scientifically inclined colleagues figure out a way to harness the Quantum Realm for the purpose of retrieving the stones? Yes. Tony Stark and Bruce Banner, a.k.a. Professor Hulk, figure it out. How? Not important. (Tony creates, not kidding, GPS bracelets that apparently do all the heavy lifting when it comes to navigating the “everything happened and is happening” nature of the Quantum Realm.) Just know that time is travel possible, and that this is how the Avengers will obtain the stones they need to bring them back to 2023 and correct Thano’s dustup.
Okay, so say we believe the Avengers: Time travel is possible. Fine. How does it work for the people actually traveling through time? What are the consequences of sending groups of superheroes back to various points in history, where they will inevitably encounters loads of familiar faces and alter the course of events as we know them? Well, the answer is both alarmingly simple and achingly complicated. After War Machine asks the gang why they don’t just go back in time and kill Baby Thanos, Banner outlines an early rule for time travel in the Endgame universe: “If you travel back into your own past, that destination becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can’t now be changed by your new future.” If it sounds a little murky, that’s because it is. But the takeaway is: You can’t just kill Baby Thanos, because his death wouldn’t change the snapped timeline the Avengers have already lived; going into the past doesn’t affect their reality, because their reality has already happened. (If you think this sounds a little like a linear timeline, à la the time-travel rules of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, you’re not alone.)
So, okay. That’s why Tony isn’t afraid to speak to his dad in the S.H.I.E.L.D. base in 1970, when he’s attempting to heist the tesseract, or why Captain America isn’t nervous to fight himself in an effort to snag the Space Stone in New York in 2012, or why Thor doesn’t fumble the entire endeavor by crying on his mom’s shoulder the day before she dies. There is no butterfly effect. Endgame basically tries to be like your hippest friend by telling you that everything you’ve ever heard before about time travel before this movie is bogus. “Back to the Future is bullshit!” Ant-Man declares.
What are the rules of time travel according to Tilda Swinton?
Endgame’s easy approach to time travel gets complicated once you start wondering what Tony meant when he mentioned the EPR paradox and the Deutsch proposition, and whipped up that fancy Möbius-strip visual. Deutsch, as in David Deutsch, as in the multiverse? Are we talking about parallel realities?
Yes, we are, which is pretty standard comic-book fare. When Professor Hulk meets the Ancient One in New York in 2012 (we’ll just call her Tilda Swinton from here on out), she sets the team straight: “The Infinity Stones create what you experience as the flow of time,” she tells Banner. “Remove one of the stones and that flow splits.” Here she whips up a handy visual in midair, showing one long, healthy line shooting across the horizon. She mimics plucking a stone from the timeline and a menacing-looking black line branches out from the original. That, she says, is a parallel reality. Welcome to the multiverse.
In conclusion, the Avengers’ meddling might not affect their own timelines, but their actions will amount to new timelines — and, in the case of the stones’ removal, new timelines that lack the cosmic balance of a reality that possess all six stones. Quick on his feet, Banner promises Tilda that the Avengers will return every stone to its own timeline at the very moment it was taken, “so chronologically, in that reality, it never left.” Tilda seems pretty unconvinced, and concerned for all the people who have to live with the consequences of the Avengers’ actions in their branched realities, until Banner tells her that Dr. Strange indirectly approved the plan. And so she tacitly agrees to go along.
The big takeaway from Tilda’s speech is that it allows Endgame to say, “Hey we’re not changing the past, but we might be creating some alternate futures.” But wait: If the stones are cosmically needed to keep the universe in balance, why was it okay for Thanos to destroy them in the first place? The easy answer is: Because the rest of the movie happens.
Did Captain America’s decision to return to the 1940s contradict these rules?
The final scene of Endgame reveals that Steve Rogers (Chris Evans), who was tasked with returning the stones to their respective timelines after the Avengers defeated Thanos, did not instantly return to the present after “trimming the branches.” Instead, he traveled back on his personal timeline, to his superhero point of origin around the time of World War II, and lived out an entire life with Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell). In the final scene of the movie, we see the two dancing to the song “It’s Been a Long, Long Time,” one of the post popular U.S. pop songs of late 1945, essentially written as an anthem for soldiers returning from WWII. It’s sweet, but does Steve’s little time jaunt totally contradict everything that the movie has established? And what about that TV series Agent Carter? Has its plot been totally undone?
Of all the tim- travel stuff in the movie, Steve’s decision here seems to work with Endgame’s deliberately flexible laws governing time. The simple way to look at it is this: 2023 Steve Rogers is part of a predestination paradox, meaning, he was destined to travel back in time and be quietly reunited with Peggy. Everything in his life prior to returning to the 1940s happened, the only wrinkle being that at certain points there were two Steve Rogers alive on Earth simultaneously. We can call them Young Steve and Old Steve. Young Steve gets frozen in ice before the end of WWII only to wake up in 2012. Old Steve picked up where Young Steve left off, living out a quiet life with the woman of his dreams, approaching old age just as Young Steve wakes up from his chilly nap. As far as Peggy goes, if Steve arrives after 1947, then the events of Agent Carter aren’t impacted at all! The only question left is whether or not the 1970s Peggy we saw in Endgame was already aware of Old Steve, and we’re just going to assume the answer is yes.
Oh, and at certain points in time there were three if not more Steves running around on Earth. In 1970, you’ve got Young Steve in the ice, Time-Traveling Steve with Tony Stark, and Old Steve. Then, in 2012, there’s freshly thawed Young Steve, Time-Traveling Steve, and Old Steve. That’s not even taking into consideration the other Time-Traveling Steves putting Infinity Stones back where they belong, but you get it.
What about the two Nebulas?
Near the end of Endgame, Nebula (Karen Gillan) from 2014 faces Nebula from 2023, which results in the older and wiser Nebula killing the younger hothead Nebula. So what’s the deal with these two Nebulas? Nebulae? Grammatically this situation is about as confusing as it is paradoxically. Your brain wants to believe that as soon as 2023 Nebula shoots 2014 Nebula, that 2023 Nebula should instantly disappear, because that’s what happens in the time-travel movie Looper. If her younger self has been killed by her older self, then how can her older self exist? Wouldn’t this all fall under the grandfather paradox?
According to Professor Hulk’s linear time explanation, no. According to Tilda Swinton’s branch-reality explanation, no. But the movie plays fast and loose with its logic when it comes to the Nebulae. One creative explanation could reference the fact that the memories of the two Nebulas merged thanks to their cybernetic brain implants. If you’ve seen the other franchise Gillan is involved in, Doctor Who, this is kind of like when the Doctor creates an instant “memory” of having already done something through the course of his time travel. If you go back and watch all the various Who episodes in which there are multiple Karen Gillans, it will make Endgame seem straightforward. In any case, Nebula is one of the timey-wimey-est Avengers.
Is Gamora alive again?
Thanos infamously killed Gamora (Zoe Saldana) so he could get the Soul Stone in Infinity War. But she shows up in Endgame as a 2014 version (still bad, not yet in love with Star Lord) of herself, who ends up helping the Avengers defeat a 2014 version (still bad, not yet in possession of the Infinity Stones) of Thanos. This amounts to the reverse of the Nebulae paradox. Gamora from the past has now been put on a different path that seems to prevent her death in her own personal future. But, if future Gamora hadn’t died in Infinity War, then 2014 Gamora couldn’t be given this second chance. Could this have caused a bootstraps paradox or an information paradox? Of all the time-travel paradoxes, this one is the more confusing, and maybe the one most likely to be addressed in a future movie, given that Star Lord (Chris Pratt) was found in an attempt to track Gamora’s whereabouts at the end of Endgame.
It should be noted that the Gamora predicament and the double Nebula problem are both the result of 2014 Thanos getting in on the time-travel game, too. So, if Tony has now snapped him out of existence, it’s possible that the 2014 timeline has branched, and no longer involves Thanos killing Gamora four years later.
What happened to Loki and the tesseract?
Umm, we don’t know. When the contemporary Avengers go back in time to steal the tesseract from themselves and Loki, they manage to screw up so badly that Loki runs away with the tesseract, again. This isn’t readdressed, but it does, maybe, seem to create the most definitive branch timeline. If Loki escapes, and is running around the universe with the tesseract, it could neatly explain why Tom Hiddleston has a Loki TV series booked on Disney+. In terms of explanations within Endgame, there are really only two that don’t involve this being a “mistake.” First, maybe Thor manages to catch up with Loki anyway, and bring him back to Asgard a bit later than expected, causing everything to proceed as close to before as possible. Second, during Captain America’s trip to “trim the branches,” perhaps he returns to this period and “fixes” the error along the way. If that explanation is true, there would be — hold onto your American butts — four different versions of Steve Rogers alive on Earth in 2012 at the same time.
Wait, can you explain this movie to me using a Back to the Future analogy?
Even though Endgame likes to make fun of Back to the Future, it does borrow directly from the beloved time-travel trilogy in two very specific ways. First, Tilda Swinton’s explanation of the “branches” and her accompanying visual diagram is pretty much exactly like Doc talking about the alternate 1985 in Back to the Future II. The only difference is that in BTTFII, Doc and Marty are trapped in an alternate branch, and in EndgameTilda is asking Professor Hulk to prevent one of those from forming.
Second, when Captain America shows up as an old man the moment after he disappears to go back in time, this is pretty much exactly like the ending of Back to the Future II and the beginning of Back to the Future III. When Marty sees the DeLorean struck by lighting, a few seconds later some people show up with a letter, perfectly timed to be delivered at that moment. Captain America did the exact same thing at the end of Endgame. The only difference was that he didn’t send a letter. He sent himself. There you go!
Good news: The latest Avengers movie is not confusing at all. It’s a straightforward romance set in a small town, where the superheroes spend the majority of the movie cooking meals, softly bickering, and contemplating the weather. It’s like August: Osage County, only this time Benedict Cumberbatch has a beard.
Just kidding! Avengers: Endgame isn’t the most convoluted time-travel movie of all time, but maybe that’s because we, the audience, were somehow also flung back in time at some point during the course of the movie’s 182 minutes and lost our memories of convoluted time-travel stories along the way. In the 22nd installment to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, there were doppelgänger confrontations, there were conflicting rules about how said doppelgänger confrontations might alter the past or future, there was an ending that made you wonder, Huh, can he do that? In other words, you probably have more than a few lingering questions about how the hell time works in the MCU, and we’re here to answer them:
Massive spoilers ahead for Avengers: Endgame.
What are the rules of time travel according to Bruce Banner?
First, let’s explain why time travel is necessary. The Avengers’ agenda in Endgame is as follows: It’s the year 2023. The Avengers have, by this point, tried and failed to secure the Infinity Stones that Thanos brought with him to his retirement planet after he turned 50 percent of the world to dust. Turns out, in fact, he destroyed the stones, so there’s no way to reverse his deadly snap by simply stealing the rocks back in the current timeline.
Enter Ant-Man, who has finally returned to Avengers headquarters after a conveniently curious rat freed him from the Quantum Realm. He’s back to suggest that the superheroes use his girlfriend’s dad’s technology to — what else? — time travel. Scott was stuck in the microverse for five years, he asserts, but only five hours passed for him. Could his more scientifically inclined colleagues figure out a way to harness the Quantum Realm for the purpose of retrieving the stones? Yes. Tony Stark and Bruce Banner, a.k.a. Professor Hulk, figure it out. How? Not important. (Tony creates, not kidding, GPS bracelets that apparently do all the heavy lifting when it comes to navigating the “everything happened and is happening” nature of the Quantum Realm.) Just know that time is travel possible, and that this is how the Avengers will obtain the stones they need to bring them back to 2023 and correct Thano’s dustup.
Okay, so say we believe the Avengers: Time travel is possible. Fine. How does it work for the people actually traveling through time? What are the consequences of sending groups of superheroes back to various points in history, where they will inevitably encounters loads of familiar faces and alter the course of events as we know them? Well, the answer is both alarmingly simple and achingly complicated. After War Machine asks the gang why they don’t just go back in time and kill Baby Thanos, Banner outlines an early rule for time travel in the Endgame universe: “If you travel back into your own past, that destination becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can’t now be changed by your new future.” If it sounds a little murky, that’s because it is. But the takeaway is: You can’t just kill Baby Thanos, because his death wouldn’t change the snapped timeline the Avengers have already lived; going into the past doesn’t affect their reality, because their reality has already happened. (If you think this sounds a little like a linear timeline, à la the time-travel rules of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, you’re not alone.)
So, okay. That’s why Tony isn’t afraid to speak to his dad in the S.H.I.E.L.D. base in 1970, when he’s attempting to heist the tesseract, or why Captain America isn’t nervous to fight himself in an effort to snag the Space Stone in New York in 2012, or why Thor doesn’t fumble the entire endeavor by crying on his mom’s shoulder the day before she dies. There is no butterfly effect. Endgame basically tries to be like your hippest friend by telling you that everything you’ve ever heard before about time travel before this movie is bogus. “Back to the Future is bullshit!” Ant-Man declares.
What are the rules of time travel according to Tilda Swinton?
Endgame’s easy approach to time travel gets complicated once you start wondering what Tony meant when he mentioned the EPR paradox and the Deutsch proposition, and whipped up that fancy Möbius-strip visual. Deutsch, as in David Deutsch, as in the multiverse? Are we talking about parallel realities?
Yes, we are, which is pretty standard comic-book fare. When Professor Hulk meets the Ancient One in New York in 2012 (we’ll just call her Tilda Swinton from here on out), she sets the team straight: “The Infinity Stones create what you experience as the flow of time,” she tells Banner. “Remove one of the stones and that flow splits.” Here she whips up a handy visual in midair, showing one long, healthy line shooting across the horizon. She mimics plucking a stone from the timeline and a menacing-looking black line branches out from the original. That, she says, is a parallel reality. Welcome to the multiverse.
In conclusion, the Avengers’ meddling might not affect their own timelines, but their actions will amount to new timelines — and, in the case of the stones’ removal, new timelines that lack the cosmic balance of a reality that possess all six stones. Quick on his feet, Banner promises Tilda that the Avengers will return every stone to its own timeline at the very moment it was taken, “so chronologically, in that reality, it never left.” Tilda seems pretty unconvinced, and concerned for all the people who have to live with the consequences of the Avengers’ actions in their branched realities, until Banner tells her that Dr. Strange indirectly approved the plan. And so she tacitly agrees to go along.
The big takeaway from Tilda’s speech is that it allows Endgame to say, “Hey we’re not changing the past, but we might be creating some alternate futures.” But wait: If the stones are cosmically needed to keep the universe in balance, why was it okay for Thanos to destroy them in the first place? The easy answer is: Because the rest of the movie happens.
Did Captain America’s decision to return to the 1940s contradict these rules?
The final scene of Endgame reveals that Steve Rogers (Chris Evans), who was tasked with returning the stones to their respective timelines after the Avengers defeated Thanos, did not instantly return to the present after “trimming the branches.” Instead, he traveled back on his personal timeline, to his superhero point of origin around the time of World War II, and lived out an entire life with Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell). In the final scene of the movie, we see the two dancing to the song “It’s Been a Long, Long Time,” one of the post popular U.S. pop songs of late 1945, essentially written as an anthem for soldiers returning from WWII. It’s sweet, but does Steve’s little time jaunt totally contradict everything that the movie has established? And what about that TV series Agent Carter? Has its plot been totally undone?
Of all the tim- travel stuff in the movie, Steve’s decision here seems to work with Endgame’s deliberately flexible laws governing time. The simple way to look at it is this: 2023 Steve Rogers is part of a predestination paradox, meaning, he was destined to travel back in time and be quietly reunited with Peggy. Everything in his life prior to returning to the 1940s happened, the only wrinkle being that at certain points there were two Steve Rogers alive on Earth simultaneously. We can call them Young Steve and Old Steve. Young Steve gets frozen in ice before the end of WWII only to wake up in 2012. Old Steve picked up where Young Steve left off, living out a quiet life with the woman of his dreams, approaching old age just as Young Steve wakes up from his chilly nap. As far as Peggy goes, if Steve arrives after 1947, then the events of Agent Carter aren’t impacted at all! The only question left is whether or not the 1970s Peggy we saw in Endgame was already aware of Old Steve, and we’re just going to assume the answer is yes.
Oh, and at certain points in time there were three if not more Steves running around on Earth. In 1970, you’ve got Young Steve in the ice, Time-Traveling Steve with Tony Stark, and Old Steve. Then, in 2012, there’s freshly thawed Young Steve, Time-Traveling Steve, and Old Steve. That’s not even taking into consideration the other Time-Traveling Steves putting Infinity Stones back where they belong, but you get it.
What about the two Nebulas?
Near the end of Endgame, Nebula (Karen Gillan) from 2014 faces Nebula from 2023, which results in the older and wiser Nebula killing the younger hothead Nebula. So what’s the deal with these two Nebulas? Nebulae? Grammatically this situation is about as confusing as it is paradoxically. Your brain wants to believe that as soon as 2023 Nebula shoots 2014 Nebula, that 2023 Nebula should instantly disappear, because that’s what happens in the time-travel movie Looper. If her younger self has been killed by her older self, then how can her older self exist? Wouldn’t this all fall under the grandfather paradox?
According to Professor Hulk’s linear time explanation, no. According to Tilda Swinton’s branch-reality explanation, no. But the movie plays fast and loose with its logic when it comes to the Nebulae. One creative explanation could reference the fact that the memories of the two Nebulas merged thanks to their cybernetic brain implants. If you’ve seen the other franchise Gillan is involved in, Doctor Who, this is kind of like when the Doctor creates an instant “memory” of having already done something through the course of his time travel. If you go back and watch all the various Who episodes in which there are multiple Karen Gillans, it will make Endgame seem straightforward. In any case, Nebula is one of the timey-wimey-est Avengers.
Is Gamora alive again?
Thanos infamously killed Gamora (Zoe Saldana) so he could get the Soul Stone in Infinity War. But she shows up in Endgame as a 2014 version (still bad, not yet in love with Star Lord) of herself, who ends up helping the Avengers defeat a 2014 version (still bad, not yet in possession of the Infinity Stones) of Thanos. This amounts to the reverse of the Nebulae paradox. Gamora from the past has now been put on a different path that seems to prevent her death in her own personal future. But, if future Gamora hadn’t died in Infinity War, then 2014 Gamora couldn’t be given this second chance. Could this have caused a bootstraps paradox or an information paradox? Of all the time-travel paradoxes, this one is the more confusing, and maybe the one most likely to be addressed in a future movie, given that Star Lord (Chris Pratt) was found in an attempt to track Gamora’s whereabouts at the end of Endgame.
It should be noted that the Gamora predicament and the double Nebula problem are both the result of 2014 Thanos getting in on the time-travel game, too. So, if Tony has now snapped him out of existence, it’s possible that the 2014 timeline has branched, and no longer involves Thanos killing Gamora four years later.
What happened to Loki and the tesseract?
Umm, we don’t know. When the contemporary Avengers go back in time to steal the tesseract from themselves and Loki, they manage to screw up so badly that Loki runs away with the tesseract, again. This isn’t readdressed, but it does, maybe, seem to create the most definitive branch timeline. If Loki escapes, and is running around the universe with the tesseract, it could neatly explain why Tom Hiddleston has a Loki TV series booked on Disney+. In terms of explanations within Endgame, there are really only two that don’t involve this being a “mistake.” First, maybe Thor manages to catch up with Loki anyway, and bring him back to Asgard a bit later than expected, causing everything to proceed as close to before as possible. Second, during Captain America’s trip to “trim the branches,” perhaps he returns to this period and “fixes” the error along the way. If that explanation is true, there would be — hold onto your American butts — four different versions of Steve Rogers alive on Earth in 2012 at the same time.
Wait, can you explain this movie to me using a Back to the Future analogy?
Even though Endgame likes to make fun of Back to the Future, it does borrow directly from the beloved time-travel trilogy in two very specific ways. First, Tilda Swinton’s explanation of the “branches” and her accompanying visual diagram is pretty much exactly like Doc talking about the alternate 1985 in Back to the Future II. The only difference is that in BTTFII, Doc and Marty are trapped in an alternate branch, and in EndgameTilda is asking Professor Hulk to prevent one of those from forming.
Second, when Captain America shows up as an old man the moment after he disappears to go back in time, this is pretty much exactly like the ending of Back to the Future II and the beginning of Back to the Future III. When Marty sees the DeLorean struck by lighting, a few seconds later some people show up with a letter, perfectly timed to be delivered at that moment. Captain America did the exact same thing at the end of Endgame. The only difference was that he didn’t send a letter. He sent himself. There you go!
Nothing Is More Mystifying Than Avengers: Endgame’s Insane Credit Sequence
Light spoilers ahead for Avengers: Endgame.
There’s so much movie in Avengers: Endgamethat it’s hard to break down the three-hour epic into individual, digestible parts. There’s chubby Thor. There’s the Hot Tub Time Machine reference. There’s the ongoing Captain-America-has-the-best-ass joke. (There is, also, the whole plot and stuff, too, I suppose.) But there exists one part of Endgame that I absolutely cannot stop thinking about. On a loop, this sequence has danced in my head. It’s swallowed up basically every other thought I have. Drink does not satisfy me; food turns to ash in my mouth. I absolutely must get to the bottom of this truly incredible sequence. What is the scene that has me so obsessed? Endgame’s three-act end credits.
The wheeling and dealing of star billing has long fascinated Vulture, especially when it comes to the Marvel machine. (It has also fascinated me, ever since that one joke Ben Affleck made in Shakespeare in Love.) What Marvel pulls off with Endgame, though, is unparalleled: one movie with 54 stars? Thirty-two actors are given regular-degular solo cards in the end credits, which I will henceforth refer to as Act I. Nine stars are grouped into trios to share cards, which I will call Act II. And in Act III, seven stars get extra-special solo cards — some having “with,” and/or “as” designations — followed by six extra-special super stars who get solo cards, fancy animation, and fancy signatures! Would you like to join my mania? Perfect, let’s start at the beginning.
Act I: Here is the official listing of the first 32 actors to appear in Endgame’s credits
Don Cheadle Paul RuddBenedict CumberbatchChadwick Boseman Brie LarsonTom HollandKaren GillanZoe Saldana Evangeline Lilly Tessa Thompson Rene RussoElizabeth OlsenAnthony Mackie Sebastian StanTom HiddlestonDanai GuriraBenedict Wong Pom KlementieffDave BautistaLetitia WrightJohn Slattery Tilda SwintonJon FavreauHayley AtwellNatalie Portman Marisa Tomei Taika Waititi Angela Bassett Michael DouglasMichelle PfeifferWilliam HurtCobie Smulders
No one — not even Elizabeth Olsen’s agent — has spent more time pouring over this list longer than I. You think the utter chaos of these 32 names are your ally? You merely adopted the utter chaos of these 32 names. I was born in it, molded by it! Around hour 32, when my brain fell out my noggin and I started crying to the Florence and the Machine song I was listening to on repeat (“The End of Love,” for the curious/also interested in crying) I consulted ex-Vulture Kyle Buchanan. I love Kyle, and I miss him a lot. Here is what Kyle had to say about this list of 32 names: “UTTERLY random.”
“But,” I countered. “Don Cheadle-Benedict Cumberbatch-Chadwick Boseman-Tom Holland is the same order as their Infinity War billing.” I held my breath as a three-dot bubble appeared on my phone, suggesting Kyle was replying with a brilliant and correct answer. Instead he said: “But why do Paul and Brie go where they go.” And so I cried some more and descended into a deeper level of mania.
Instead of analysis, which we are far past, let’s approach it this way: How about a few observations? Starting with Paul and Brie, who have stuff to do in Endgame, which helps their credits case. Brie Larson had a big movie open last month and a bad (fictional) haircut debut this month — could that have helped her cause? Paul Rudd had a birthday recently, and with it came Vulture dot com re-publishing our very good Paul Rudd quiz — could that have upped his status?
Another observation: Natalie Portman, who had no lines, is billed above Michael Douglas, who had one line (and also said he got throat cancer once from oral sex. Also, Natalie Portman ought to have won an Oscar for Jackie.)
Another observation: As far as the not-aging thing goes, the smoothness of Angela Bassett’s skin deserves to be billed above Paul Rudd’s. So maybe I was wrong before, and the fact that Paul Rudd doesn’t age actually has nothing to do with his Endgame billing.
Yet another observation: If, in 2008, you would’ve told me that one person in Gossip Girl would appear 14th in a list of 32 supporting Marvel characters, I probably would’ve guessed that it would be Sebastian Stan. But I would’ve also guessed that Leighton Meester would’ve appeared second or third. It’s a funny world we live in, but I am happy that Dan Humphrey was, for a time, chronicling the lives of Manhattan’s teen elite.
One last observation: The things I would do to trade places with Letitia Wright, who is positioned between Dave Bautista and John Slattery … we can’t speak about this in public!
ACT II: The threesomes
Sean Gunn/Winston Duke/Linda Cardellini:Sean Gunn did motion capture work for Rocket Racoon and Groot, Winston Duke is Winston Duke, and finally something bumps Green Book from the top of Linda Cardellini’s IMDb profile. I said thank you!
Maximiliano Hernandez/Frank Grillo/Hiroyuki Sanada:Agent Jasper Sitwell, Crossbones, and the Yakuza boss Hawkeye fights in Tokyo. Sure!
Tom Vaughan-Lawlor/James D’Arcy/Jacob Batalon:Thanos’s friend, Tony Stark’s butler, Peter Parker’s bestie. Okay!
ACT III: The biggies
“Featuring Vin Diesel as Groot” and “Bradley Cooper as Rocket.”
This is the same as their Infinity War billing. Vin Diesel has the Guardiansfranchise, the Fast franchise, and The Chronicles of Riddick! It hurts my heart to say this but: if Bradley Cooper was either (a) still publicly complimenting Lady Gaga, (b) took home an Oscar for A Star Is Born, or (c) told me why Ramon was listening to “Yonkers” by Tyler, The Creator in A Star Is Born, mayhaps he could’ve pulled rank here and scored an even greater designation in the next Guardians movie. Alas!
“With Gwyneth Paltrow,” and “With Robert Redford”
Alexa, find me two people who claim to have “retired” and yet seem to find themselves on a Marvel lot! To crack this one I once again consulted my esteemed ex-colleague Kyle: “Redford gets a ‘with’ because he had it in Winter Soldier, but Tilda or Rene doesn’t,” he said. Mrs. Gwyneth “I Don’t Know What The Cut Is” Paltrow was billed above Zendaya in Spider-Man: Homecoming, so she definitely gets a “with” here. I’ll allow it!
“With Josh Brolin as Thanos”
Josh Brolin dies twice in Endgame. Two times. The same number of times people used the f-word in The Social Network! And his Infinity War billing carries over…
“With Chris Pratt”Ditto Pratt’s Infinity War billing, except: this time he’s dropped down from Infinity War’s “and Chris Pratt” to “with Chris Pratt.” Hmm.
“And Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury”Samuel L. Jackson was here long before a lot of these people, and his Nick Fury will be here long after they’re gone.
Naturally the six Marvel OGs — who’ve always gotten the sweetest billing spots — appear last. Their names don’t just flash across the screen though, because Endgame is the culmination of 22 movies, not to mention that two of these 22 movies feature Michelle Pfeiffer! This is when the credits game really goes for broke. (However: I invite James Cam’ron’s dozen Avatarsequels to try and out-spend Marvel here.) These core six get: a special animation montage of their appearances across the MCU, a solo card, and an animated signature. This is a win for those of us who love this goofy group of pals, and also for those of us who are absurdly curious about who does and does not have sloppy handwriting.
So: Up first in this lengthy montage is app enthusiast/rumored Lady Gaga boyfriend Jeremy Renner, who is the new sixth member of this elite core. After Renner, Scarlett Johannson continues her legacy of being billed fifth for an Avengers. (She has other credits to look forward to, when she returns for a Black Widow prequel.) And Mark Ruffalo again scores third billing. (For what it’s worth, he also has the distinction of having the best signature; Evans has the worst.)
But for Endgame, Chrises Evans and Hemwsorth switch: Evans, haver of the best ass and not-haver of any more Marvel movies left on his contract, gets the second billing Hemsworth had on Infinity War, while Hems and his old hair are bumped down to fourth. Does this mean Thor is destined to show up in a subsequent Guardians film? Maybe! The most coveted spots in this act are reserved for the members of the Avengers crew who have truly passed on to a better place. So at the tippity top of the Marvel empire remains Robert Downey Jr., RIP, billed last.
Beyoncé stunningly remains unbilled for single handedly powering humanity, which means that Beyoncé must not exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I invite Kevin Feige to correct me.
Light spoilers ahead for Avengers: Endgame.
There’s so much movie in Avengers: Endgamethat it’s hard to break down the three-hour epic into individual, digestible parts. There’s chubby Thor. There’s the Hot Tub Time Machine reference. There’s the ongoing Captain-America-has-the-best-ass joke. (There is, also, the whole plot and stuff, too, I suppose.) But there exists one part of Endgame that I absolutely cannot stop thinking about. On a loop, this sequence has danced in my head. It’s swallowed up basically every other thought I have. Drink does not satisfy me; food turns to ash in my mouth. I absolutely must get to the bottom of this truly incredible sequence. What is the scene that has me so obsessed? Endgame’s three-act end credits.
The wheeling and dealing of star billing has long fascinated Vulture, especially when it comes to the Marvel machine. (It has also fascinated me, ever since that one joke Ben Affleck made in Shakespeare in Love.) What Marvel pulls off with Endgame, though, is unparalleled: one movie with 54 stars? Thirty-two actors are given regular-degular solo cards in the end credits, which I will henceforth refer to as Act I. Nine stars are grouped into trios to share cards, which I will call Act II. And in Act III, seven stars get extra-special solo cards — some having “with,” and/or “as” designations — followed by six extra-special super stars who get solo cards, fancy animation, and fancy signatures! Would you like to join my mania? Perfect, let’s start at the beginning.
Act I: Here is the official listing of the first 32 actors to appear in Endgame’s credits
Don Cheadle Paul RuddBenedict CumberbatchChadwick Boseman Brie LarsonTom HollandKaren GillanZoe Saldana Evangeline Lilly Tessa Thompson Rene RussoElizabeth OlsenAnthony Mackie Sebastian StanTom HiddlestonDanai GuriraBenedict Wong Pom KlementieffDave BautistaLetitia WrightJohn Slattery Tilda SwintonJon FavreauHayley AtwellNatalie Portman Marisa Tomei Taika Waititi Angela Bassett Michael DouglasMichelle PfeifferWilliam HurtCobie Smulders
No one — not even Elizabeth Olsen’s agent — has spent more time pouring over this list longer than I. You think the utter chaos of these 32 names are your ally? You merely adopted the utter chaos of these 32 names. I was born in it, molded by it! Around hour 32, when my brain fell out my noggin and I started crying to the Florence and the Machine song I was listening to on repeat (“The End of Love,” for the curious/also interested in crying) I consulted ex-Vulture Kyle Buchanan. I love Kyle, and I miss him a lot. Here is what Kyle had to say about this list of 32 names: “UTTERLY random.”
“But,” I countered. “Don Cheadle-Benedict Cumberbatch-Chadwick Boseman-Tom Holland is the same order as their Infinity War billing.” I held my breath as a three-dot bubble appeared on my phone, suggesting Kyle was replying with a brilliant and correct answer. Instead he said: “But why do Paul and Brie go where they go.” And so I cried some more and descended into a deeper level of mania.
Instead of analysis, which we are far past, let’s approach it this way: How about a few observations? Starting with Paul and Brie, who have stuff to do in Endgame, which helps their credits case. Brie Larson had a big movie open last month and a bad (fictional) haircut debut this month — could that have helped her cause? Paul Rudd had a birthday recently, and with it came Vulture dot com re-publishing our very good Paul Rudd quiz — could that have upped his status?
Another observation: Natalie Portman, who had no lines, is billed above Michael Douglas, who had one line (and also said he got throat cancer once from oral sex. Also, Natalie Portman ought to have won an Oscar for Jackie.)
Another observation: As far as the not-aging thing goes, the smoothness of Angela Bassett’s skin deserves to be billed above Paul Rudd’s. So maybe I was wrong before, and the fact that Paul Rudd doesn’t age actually has nothing to do with his Endgame billing.
Yet another observation: If, in 2008, you would’ve told me that one person in Gossip Girl would appear 14th in a list of 32 supporting Marvel characters, I probably would’ve guessed that it would be Sebastian Stan. But I would’ve also guessed that Leighton Meester would’ve appeared second or third. It’s a funny world we live in, but I am happy that Dan Humphrey was, for a time, chronicling the lives of Manhattan’s teen elite.
One last observation: The things I would do to trade places with Letitia Wright, who is positioned between Dave Bautista and John Slattery … we can’t speak about this in public!
ACT II: The threesomes
Sean Gunn/Winston Duke/Linda Cardellini:Sean Gunn did motion capture work for Rocket Racoon and Groot, Winston Duke is Winston Duke, and finally something bumps Green Book from the top of Linda Cardellini’s IMDb profile. I said thank you!
Maximiliano Hernandez/Frank Grillo/Hiroyuki Sanada:Agent Jasper Sitwell, Crossbones, and the Yakuza boss Hawkeye fights in Tokyo. Sure!
Tom Vaughan-Lawlor/James D’Arcy/Jacob Batalon:Thanos’s friend, Tony Stark’s butler, Peter Parker’s bestie. Okay!
ACT III: The biggies
“Featuring Vin Diesel as Groot” and “Bradley Cooper as Rocket.”
This is the same as their Infinity War billing. Vin Diesel has the Guardiansfranchise, the Fast franchise, and The Chronicles of Riddick! It hurts my heart to say this but: if Bradley Cooper was either (a) still publicly complimenting Lady Gaga, (b) took home an Oscar for A Star Is Born, or (c) told me why Ramon was listening to “Yonkers” by Tyler, The Creator in A Star Is Born, mayhaps he could’ve pulled rank here and scored an even greater designation in the next Guardians movie. Alas!
“With Gwyneth Paltrow,” and “With Robert Redford”
Alexa, find me two people who claim to have “retired” and yet seem to find themselves on a Marvel lot! To crack this one I once again consulted my esteemed ex-colleague Kyle: “Redford gets a ‘with’ because he had it in Winter Soldier, but Tilda or Rene doesn’t,” he said. Mrs. Gwyneth “I Don’t Know What The Cut Is” Paltrow was billed above Zendaya in Spider-Man: Homecoming, so she definitely gets a “with” here. I’ll allow it!
“With Josh Brolin as Thanos”
Josh Brolin dies twice in Endgame. Two times. The same number of times people used the f-word in The Social Network! And his Infinity War billing carries over…
“With Chris Pratt”Ditto Pratt’s Infinity War billing, except: this time he’s dropped down from Infinity War’s “and Chris Pratt” to “with Chris Pratt.” Hmm.
“And Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury”Samuel L. Jackson was here long before a lot of these people, and his Nick Fury will be here long after they’re gone.
Naturally the six Marvel OGs — who’ve always gotten the sweetest billing spots — appear last. Their names don’t just flash across the screen though, because Endgame is the culmination of 22 movies, not to mention that two of these 22 movies feature Michelle Pfeiffer! This is when the credits game really goes for broke. (However: I invite James Cam’ron’s dozen Avatarsequels to try and out-spend Marvel here.) These core six get: a special animation montage of their appearances across the MCU, a solo card, and an animated signature. This is a win for those of us who love this goofy group of pals, and also for those of us who are absurdly curious about who does and does not have sloppy handwriting.
So: Up first in this lengthy montage is app enthusiast/rumored Lady Gaga boyfriend Jeremy Renner, who is the new sixth member of this elite core. After Renner, Scarlett Johannson continues her legacy of being billed fifth for an Avengers. (She has other credits to look forward to, when she returns for a Black Widow prequel.) And Mark Ruffalo again scores third billing. (For what it’s worth, he also has the distinction of having the best signature; Evans has the worst.)
But for Endgame, Chrises Evans and Hemwsorth switch: Evans, haver of the best ass and not-haver of any more Marvel movies left on his contract, gets the second billing Hemsworth had on Infinity War, while Hems and his old hair are bumped down to fourth. Does this mean Thor is destined to show up in a subsequent Guardians film? Maybe! The most coveted spots in this act are reserved for the members of the Avengers crew who have truly passed on to a better place. So at the tippity top of the Marvel empire remains Robert Downey Jr., RIP, billed last.
Beyoncé stunningly remains unbilled for single handedly powering humanity, which means that Beyoncé must not exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I invite Kevin Feige to correct me.
Avengers: Endgame explained: Stan Lee's final cameo
Directors Joe and Anthony Russo on Stan the Man's wild farewell
By Anthony Breznican
April 26, 2019 at 09:00 AM EDT
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It’s been a long goodbye for Stan Lee.
The Marvel Comics storyteller and cameo king shot a number of walk-on bits for upcoming movies before his death at 95 last November.
Directors Joe and Anthony Russo tell EW that the one he did for Avengers: Endgame was the last one he shot.
It’s also one of the most lively and colorful. Here’s what went into it…
*** Spoilers Below Loki***
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Lee’s cameo in Endgame is a doozy.
It comes just as Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.) and Steve Rogers (Chris Evans) venture back in time to the year 1970 for one more chance at nabbing the Tesseract and the Space Stone contained therein.
You hear the opening bars of Steppenwolf’s “Hey Lawdy Mama,” released that year, and see a white muscle car with a psychedelic bumper sticker declaring: ’Nuff said.
That was just one of Stan the Man’s catchphrases from his messages to readers of Marvel Comics.
We see Lee not as the spry old-timer, but as a grinning, bushy-haired hippie rambler, with a beautiful lady by his side and the gas pedal pressed to the floor.
Welcome to 49 years ago.
“It’s sort of the hippie era, and Stan’s cameoing as a hippie and it’s the free-love era,” Joe Russo explains. “He’s saying, ‘Make love, not war!’”
Visual-effects artists used the same technology they deployed to de-age Michael Douglas in 2015’s Ant-Man, strip decades off Kurt Russell in 2016’s Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, and briefly turn Downey into a teenager in 2016’s Captain America: Civil War.
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They didn’t get into the specifics of this particular technique, but by scanning Lee’s face, they could Photoshop away the years and make him look half his age.
“It seemed like fun when we originally had the idea, before Stan passed,” Joe says. “Oh, what did Stan look like in the ’70s?”
As archival photos can tell you, he looks pretty much the same as the movie — like this:
SANTI VISALLI/GETTY IMAGES
“It’s the last Stan Lee cameo that made it to film,” Joe says.
“Can you believe it?” Anthony adds, shaking his head.
That’s very specific phrasing, however, leaving the door open to hear Lee’s voice or see photos of him in future movies.
It’s likely Marvel Studios will continue to honor to the comic book scribe who helped create so much of its universe.
Directors Joe and Anthony Russo on Stan the Man's wild farewell
By Anthony Breznican
April 26, 2019 at 09:00 AM EDT
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It’s been a long goodbye for Stan Lee.
The Marvel Comics storyteller and cameo king shot a number of walk-on bits for upcoming movies before his death at 95 last November.
Directors Joe and Anthony Russo tell EW that the one he did for Avengers: Endgame was the last one he shot.
It’s also one of the most lively and colorful. Here’s what went into it…
*** Spoilers Below Loki***
KEVIN WINTER/GETTY IMAGES
Lee’s cameo in Endgame is a doozy.
It comes just as Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.) and Steve Rogers (Chris Evans) venture back in time to the year 1970 for one more chance at nabbing the Tesseract and the Space Stone contained therein.
You hear the opening bars of Steppenwolf’s “Hey Lawdy Mama,” released that year, and see a white muscle car with a psychedelic bumper sticker declaring: ’Nuff said.
That was just one of Stan the Man’s catchphrases from his messages to readers of Marvel Comics.
We see Lee not as the spry old-timer, but as a grinning, bushy-haired hippie rambler, with a beautiful lady by his side and the gas pedal pressed to the floor.
Welcome to 49 years ago.
“It’s sort of the hippie era, and Stan’s cameoing as a hippie and it’s the free-love era,” Joe Russo explains. “He’s saying, ‘Make love, not war!’”
Visual-effects artists used the same technology they deployed to de-age Michael Douglas in 2015’s Ant-Man, strip decades off Kurt Russell in 2016’s Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, and briefly turn Downey into a teenager in 2016’s Captain America: Civil War.
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They didn’t get into the specifics of this particular technique, but by scanning Lee’s face, they could Photoshop away the years and make him look half his age.
“It seemed like fun when we originally had the idea, before Stan passed,” Joe says. “Oh, what did Stan look like in the ’70s?”
As archival photos can tell you, he looks pretty much the same as the movie — like this:
SANTI VISALLI/GETTY IMAGES
“It’s the last Stan Lee cameo that made it to film,” Joe says.
“Can you believe it?” Anthony adds, shaking his head.
That’s very specific phrasing, however, leaving the door open to hear Lee’s voice or see photos of him in future movies.
It’s likely Marvel Studios will continue to honor to the comic book scribe who helped create so much of its universe.
Avengers: Endgame explained: Iron Man's closing scene
Behind the scenes of Robert Downey Jr.'s powerful, emotional sequence
By Anthony Breznican
April 26, 2019 at 09:00 PM EDT
“The truth is… I am Iron Man.”
Those are the words that ended Tony Stark’s first film in 2008, breaking with the tradition of superheroes maintaining secret identities. This was a good guy who wasn’t afraid to be himself, even if sometimes he was a little bad.
More than a decade later, Avengers: Endgame promised a conclusion of sorts. So where did the journey of Robert Downey Jr.’s “genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist” finally take him?
Let’s explore…
***SPOILERS BELOW***
© Marvel Studios 2019
If you’re here, that means you’ve seen Avengers: Endgame and know what many fans feared would happen to Tony Stark.
He placed himself between a threat to the whole universe and managed to stop it — though no amount of armor could save him.
“I am inevitable,” Thanos said, after grappling with the hero and tossing him aside. But when the Titan snapped his fingers, he found his Infinity Gauntlet empty of gems.
“And I… am… Iron Man,” said Stark, revealing that he’d used his attack to snatch the Infinity Stones away.
THE FINAL SACRIFICE
As the cosmic gems melted into his armored glove, Tony Stark snapped his own fingers, turning Thanos (Josh Brolin) and his legion to wisps of ash.
But it came with a price. The explosion of energy left him badly burned and fatally wounded. As those he loved most gathered at his side, the arc reactor in his chest dimmed and went out.
In some ways, it seemed like a natural choice. Stark had gone from aloof arms dealer to someone who repeatedly risked his own life to spare others. But it still wasn’t an easy choice, especially given the hope and inspiration Iron Man has provided to fans over the years.
Tony Stark has always struggled with the question of whether he was worthy. On screen and off, Downey showed the world redemption through the lens of fantasy.
He also proved you could be a good guy… and still be kinda bad.
Francois Duhamel/Marvel
THE MAN IN THE MACHINE
Downey has never shied away from his history. A self-described “dope fiend,” he struggled with addiction and dangerous behavior, did prison time, went in and out of rehab — and kept relapsing. Still, his journey toward recovery is a happy ending that has inspired others who’ve battled the same problems.
When he finally got clean, his rocky history made it impossible for some filmmakers to get insurance on their projects if they cast him. He was unbankable. Marvel Studios and director Jon Favreau took a chance on him with 2008’s Iron Man, and Downey’s charisma became the core that powered a decade of epic moviemaking.
Downey insists that, while he’s definitely not Iron Man, he did put his heart into that spot in Tony Stark’s chest right behind the arc reactor.
Both men didn’t like who they were, and both decided to change for the better. “I’m just a f—ing actor. I’m just a guy who does have a very interesting past, who does not regret it, who wished to shut the door on it,” Downey told EW last year. “I think that that translates.”
When it came time for Tony Stark’s goodbye, Downey was the one who decided he shouldn’t say anything at all.
NO WORDS
So Tony is silent while Tom Holland’s Peter Parker clings to him, while Don Cheadle’s War Machine stands beside him, while Gwyneth Paltrow’s Pepper Potts (shielded in the Rescue armor he built her) comforts him with the promise that she and their daughter will be okay.
Zade Rosenthal
There was always a daredevil aspect to Tony Stark, a defiance of danger, a determination — almost a self-destructive impulse — to put himself in harm’s way. Eventually, it was going to end in something he couldn’t walk away from.
This is why Thanos knows who this puny human is in Infinity War. Stark had already made a lot of trouble for him.
Stark is formidable not because his heart is pure, but because it has been damaged.
And rebuilt to be stronger.
Behind the scenes of Robert Downey Jr.'s powerful, emotional sequence
By Anthony Breznican
April 26, 2019 at 09:00 PM EDT
“The truth is… I am Iron Man.”
Those are the words that ended Tony Stark’s first film in 2008, breaking with the tradition of superheroes maintaining secret identities. This was a good guy who wasn’t afraid to be himself, even if sometimes he was a little bad.
More than a decade later, Avengers: Endgame promised a conclusion of sorts. So where did the journey of Robert Downey Jr.’s “genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist” finally take him?
Let’s explore…
***SPOILERS BELOW***
© Marvel Studios 2019
If you’re here, that means you’ve seen Avengers: Endgame and know what many fans feared would happen to Tony Stark.
He placed himself between a threat to the whole universe and managed to stop it — though no amount of armor could save him.
“I am inevitable,” Thanos said, after grappling with the hero and tossing him aside. But when the Titan snapped his fingers, he found his Infinity Gauntlet empty of gems.
“And I… am… Iron Man,” said Stark, revealing that he’d used his attack to snatch the Infinity Stones away.
THE FINAL SACRIFICE
As the cosmic gems melted into his armored glove, Tony Stark snapped his own fingers, turning Thanos (Josh Brolin) and his legion to wisps of ash.
But it came with a price. The explosion of energy left him badly burned and fatally wounded. As those he loved most gathered at his side, the arc reactor in his chest dimmed and went out.
In some ways, it seemed like a natural choice. Stark had gone from aloof arms dealer to someone who repeatedly risked his own life to spare others. But it still wasn’t an easy choice, especially given the hope and inspiration Iron Man has provided to fans over the years.
Tony Stark has always struggled with the question of whether he was worthy. On screen and off, Downey showed the world redemption through the lens of fantasy.
He also proved you could be a good guy… and still be kinda bad.
Francois Duhamel/Marvel
THE MAN IN THE MACHINE
Downey has never shied away from his history. A self-described “dope fiend,” he struggled with addiction and dangerous behavior, did prison time, went in and out of rehab — and kept relapsing. Still, his journey toward recovery is a happy ending that has inspired others who’ve battled the same problems.
When he finally got clean, his rocky history made it impossible for some filmmakers to get insurance on their projects if they cast him. He was unbankable. Marvel Studios and director Jon Favreau took a chance on him with 2008’s Iron Man, and Downey’s charisma became the core that powered a decade of epic moviemaking.
Downey insists that, while he’s definitely not Iron Man, he did put his heart into that spot in Tony Stark’s chest right behind the arc reactor.
Both men didn’t like who they were, and both decided to change for the better. “I’m just a f—ing actor. I’m just a guy who does have a very interesting past, who does not regret it, who wished to shut the door on it,” Downey told EW last year. “I think that that translates.”
When it came time for Tony Stark’s goodbye, Downey was the one who decided he shouldn’t say anything at all.
NO WORDS
So Tony is silent while Tom Holland’s Peter Parker clings to him, while Don Cheadle’s War Machine stands beside him, while Gwyneth Paltrow’s Pepper Potts (shielded in the Rescue armor he built her) comforts him with the promise that she and their daughter will be okay.
Zade Rosenthal
There was always a daredevil aspect to Tony Stark, a defiance of danger, a determination — almost a self-destructive impulse — to put himself in harm’s way. Eventually, it was going to end in something he couldn’t walk away from.
This is why Thanos knows who this puny human is in Infinity War. Stark had already made a lot of trouble for him.
Stark is formidable not because his heart is pure, but because it has been damaged.
And rebuilt to be stronger.
Avengers: Endgame explained: Cameos from Thanos creator, 'Community' stars, and more
Two Community co-stars also turn up, along with director Joe Russo's Hitchcock moment
By Anthony Breznican
April 27, 2019 at 02:11 PM EDT
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Who is that guy? … Wait — I know her!
Avengers: Endgame has an astounding cast of superheroes, but there’s also a solid roster of cameo appearances in the Marvel epic.
You knew Stan Lee was going to be in there, but here’s a rundown of some of the other guest appearances…
***Spoilers Below Loki***
KEVIN WINTER/GETTY IMAGES
It starts in therapy. A group of people are sitting around a sad-looking all-purpose room, with Chris Evans’ Captain America leading the grief counseling session.
On the wall is a sign: Where do we go, now that they’re gone?
One man with doleful eyes recounts losing his spouse, and he talks about meeting someone. “I went on a date the other day. First time in five years. Didn’t know what to talk about. Same old crap… How things have changed … His job, my job … How much we miss the Mets…”
AMY SUSSMAN/GETTY IMAGES
The heartbroken man is actually Joe Russo (on the right), seen here with Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige (middle) and his Endgame co-director and brother Anthony (on the left).
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Joe, who started out as an actor, had done previous cameos in The Winter Soldier and Civil War under the name Gozie Agbo, while Anthony stays behind the camera. He said he was proud to play the first openly gay character in a Marvel movie.
“That’s the thing I think we’re the most proud of with the Marvel Universe, moving forward, is how inclusive it is,” Joe told EW in an interview. “You know, Anth and I feel representation is very important to us. We wanted to include a gay character before we were done with these films. We also wanted to do it in a way that felt normalized, didn’t feel like we’re making a big deal out of it. We wanted to make sure that it felt organic and —”
“Natural,” Anthony added.
The man Joe plays in the therapy scene isn’t a superhero, but he stands in as the Every Man who shows how ordinary people have been impacted by the cosmic events of the story.
“He cried when they were serving the salads,” Joe’s grieving man says of his first date since The Snap.
“And what about you?” another older man in the group asks.
“I cried just before dessert,” he answers.
Thanos and Infinity Gauntlet creator
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The man who asked that question is also an important figure in Marvel history — Jim Starlin, the comic book writer who created the cosmic tyrant Thanos in 1973 and wrote the landmark 1991 series The Infinity Gauntlet that inspired Infinity Warand Endgame, giving a foundation to the whole Marvel Cinematic Universe.
He’s not as immediately recognizable as a Stan Lee, but the Russos said they wanted to give him a moment in the spotlight, given his incredible contribution to the narrative.
And to their delight, he got a reaction at the first screening. “A few people I heard cheer in the premiere,” Anthony Russo said.
Community Shout-Outs
The Russo brothers also directed the pilot episode of NBC’s Community and many of its fan-favorite episodes, so they have frequently scattered stars of that movie throughout their Marvel movies.
Dean Pelton actor Jim Rash was Tony Stark’s stage manager in Civil War, and Abed Nadir actor Danny Pudi played a SHIELD operator in The Winter Soldier.
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In Endgame, there are two more Community cameos — Ken Jeong, who was Señor Chang on the series, turns up as a storage warehouse security guard to is stunned to see Ant-Man emerge inside a van locked in a cage.
And Yvette Nicole Brown, who was sweet natured Shirley Bennett on the show (and is a favorite super-geek panel host at Comic-Con each year), gets to steal a whole scene in Endgame.
She plays a no-nonsense government worker on a New Jersey military base who alerts guards to the suspicious presence of undercover Iron Man and Captain America — although she thinks they’re hippie infiltrators.
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Joe Russo also slipped in two non-famous cameos that are close to his heart. Hawkeye’s sharpshooting daughter Lila is played by Joe’s daughter Ava, and his other child Lia was one of the kid fans of Professor Hulk.
Two Community co-stars also turn up, along with director Joe Russo's Hitchcock moment
By Anthony Breznican
April 27, 2019 at 02:11 PM EDT
FBTwitter
MARVEL STUDIOS
Who is that guy? … Wait — I know her!
Avengers: Endgame has an astounding cast of superheroes, but there’s also a solid roster of cameo appearances in the Marvel epic.
You knew Stan Lee was going to be in there, but here’s a rundown of some of the other guest appearances…
***Spoilers Below Loki***
KEVIN WINTER/GETTY IMAGES
It starts in therapy. A group of people are sitting around a sad-looking all-purpose room, with Chris Evans’ Captain America leading the grief counseling session.
On the wall is a sign: Where do we go, now that they’re gone?
One man with doleful eyes recounts losing his spouse, and he talks about meeting someone. “I went on a date the other day. First time in five years. Didn’t know what to talk about. Same old crap… How things have changed … His job, my job … How much we miss the Mets…”
AMY SUSSMAN/GETTY IMAGES
The heartbroken man is actually Joe Russo (on the right), seen here with Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige (middle) and his Endgame co-director and brother Anthony (on the left).
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Joe, who started out as an actor, had done previous cameos in The Winter Soldier and Civil War under the name Gozie Agbo, while Anthony stays behind the camera. He said he was proud to play the first openly gay character in a Marvel movie.
“That’s the thing I think we’re the most proud of with the Marvel Universe, moving forward, is how inclusive it is,” Joe told EW in an interview. “You know, Anth and I feel representation is very important to us. We wanted to include a gay character before we were done with these films. We also wanted to do it in a way that felt normalized, didn’t feel like we’re making a big deal out of it. We wanted to make sure that it felt organic and —”
“Natural,” Anthony added.
The man Joe plays in the therapy scene isn’t a superhero, but he stands in as the Every Man who shows how ordinary people have been impacted by the cosmic events of the story.
“He cried when they were serving the salads,” Joe’s grieving man says of his first date since The Snap.
“And what about you?” another older man in the group asks.
“I cried just before dessert,” he answers.
Thanos and Infinity Gauntlet creator
JESSE GRANT/GETTY IMAGES
The man who asked that question is also an important figure in Marvel history — Jim Starlin, the comic book writer who created the cosmic tyrant Thanos in 1973 and wrote the landmark 1991 series The Infinity Gauntlet that inspired Infinity Warand Endgame, giving a foundation to the whole Marvel Cinematic Universe.
He’s not as immediately recognizable as a Stan Lee, but the Russos said they wanted to give him a moment in the spotlight, given his incredible contribution to the narrative.
And to their delight, he got a reaction at the first screening. “A few people I heard cheer in the premiere,” Anthony Russo said.
Community Shout-Outs
The Russo brothers also directed the pilot episode of NBC’s Community and many of its fan-favorite episodes, so they have frequently scattered stars of that movie throughout their Marvel movies.
Dean Pelton actor Jim Rash was Tony Stark’s stage manager in Civil War, and Abed Nadir actor Danny Pudi played a SHIELD operator in The Winter Soldier.
MIKE COPPOLA/GETTY IMAGES FOR ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY
In Endgame, there are two more Community cameos — Ken Jeong, who was Señor Chang on the series, turns up as a storage warehouse security guard to is stunned to see Ant-Man emerge inside a van locked in a cage.
And Yvette Nicole Brown, who was sweet natured Shirley Bennett on the show (and is a favorite super-geek panel host at Comic-Con each year), gets to steal a whole scene in Endgame.
She plays a no-nonsense government worker on a New Jersey military base who alerts guards to the suspicious presence of undercover Iron Man and Captain America — although she thinks they’re hippie infiltrators.
Family Spotlight
©MARVEL STUDIOS 2019
Joe Russo also slipped in two non-famous cameos that are close to his heart. Hawkeye’s sharpshooting daughter Lila is played by Joe’s daughter Ava, and his other child Lia was one of the kid fans of Professor Hulk.
??????yo.....
I would like to see an old man version Cap movie.
Look carefully
yo.....
AYO!...fucking Howard the duck?
Man, props to anybody who noticed that shit live!
Movie was dope as fuck, I felt the time travel explanation was kind of sloppy as well as Cap staying behind but overall, one of the best movies I've seen and was pretty satisfied with the closure...best 10 year run of movies that were all intertwined ever.
When Cap went to work with Mjolnir, theater went nuts.
So Hawkeye (Barton) loses his family ....and decides to ethnic cleanse the Earth ??
Kill Mexicans
Kill Japanese
Kill Wakandans....next ?
Kill Mexicans
Kill Japanese
Kill Wakandans....next ?
He'll get killed before the opening credits. Besides BP damn near saved his life
He was only killing criminals. They mentioned cartel members and Yakuza.So Hawkeye (Barton) loses his family ....and decides to ethnic cleanse the Earth ??
Kill Mexicans
Kill Japanese
Kill Wakandans....next ?
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