Auto-surfing: 12Dailypro.com Is it for real?

I got this from another forum I go to. This is the piece of shit who stole our money. I already left a message. He sounds like real redneck scum on the voicemail. Have fun with this, fellas:



Anyone want Stormpay's number? Well, how about the extension number for the CEO, Steve Girsky. Here ya go. Have fun!

(931) 647-8750

Steve- ext. 105
 
Is there anyone in Tennessee that can go pay this redneck a visit????


That would seem odd, given Stormpay's Stormpay Racing Division just signing on to a two year deal to fund expansion and operations of a auto racetrack in Clarksville at the behest of Nextel. How would they ever watch their beloved dirt track races? Besides, the real owner of Stormpay is a partner in a Clarksville law firm.

I'm not so sure the offices are gutted so much as just non-impressive (wanna see photos?) But maybe so??

The CEO of Stormpay is Steve Girsky and the President is John McConnell.

Girsky, Steven C (residence)
4987 Shadowbend Cir
Clarksville, TN 37043-9007
(931) 362-9288

Girsky, Steven C (office)
121 S Third St
Clarksville, TN 37040-3403
(931) 647-1501

Photo: http://pview.findlaw.com/view/2558419_1?noconfirm=0

Stormpay began as a Matrix scheme named TYMGlobal.com which ultimately flopped and Stormpay was created to fund their own matrixes and other matrix operations. They then became a payment processor. At first they prided themselves on supporting matrix schemes, but as the heat was turned up, they changed their terms of service to explicitly forbid matrix transactions.

At one point in time, they were prohibited from doing business in their homestate of Tennessee, and Tennessee residents who attempted to set up an account and add funds to Stormpay would get an error message stating that they were unable to accept Tennessee accounts.

Although they began as a matrix and matrix payment processor, they reportedly ultimately froze the accounts of other matrixes they had been serving, a possible precursor to their recent actions against paid to surf programs (Auto-Surfs) and high yield investment programs (HYIPs).

Stormpay is located in Clarksville, TN and their given address is about .3 miles from NetIBA. Both companies were registered by none other than Stormpay President John McConnell.

Name

I.D. Number
STORMPAY, INC.

0449997

Business Type*: CORPORATION
Profit/Nonprofit: FOR PROFIT
Status*: ACTIVE
Date of Formation/Qualification: 07/07/2003
Domestic/Foreign: DOMESTIC
Place of Incorporation/Organization: MONTGOMERY
Duration: PERPETUAL
FYC(Fiscal Year Closing) Month: DECEMBER

Principal Office:
Address Line 1: 1690 GOLF CLUB LANE
Address Line 2:
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043
other than USA:

Registered Agent:
Name: JOHN R. MCCONNELL, JR.
Address Line 1: 1690 GOLF CLUB LANE
Address Line 2:
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043

I.D. Number
NETIBA, INC.

0482353

Business Type*: CORPORATION
Profit/Nonprofit: FOR PROFIT
Status*: ACTIVE
Date of Formation/Qualification: 12/02/2004
Domestic/Foreign: DOMESTIC
Place of Incorporation/Organization: MONTGOMERY
Duration: PERPETUAL
FYC(Fiscal Year Closing) Month: DECEMBER

Principal Office:
Address Line 1: 2115 OLD ASHLAND
Address Line 2: CITY ROAD
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043
other than USA:

Registered Agent:
Name: JOHN R MCCONNELL JR
Address Line 1: 2115 OLD ASHLAND
Address Line 2: CITY ROAD
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043

Only a couple of weeks ago, Stormpay made news with it's subdivision Stormpay Racing (www.stormpay-racing.com) when it was announced that they had agreed to become corporate sponsors of Clarksville Speedway. Financial terms have not been disclosed, but it is apparently a two year deal that will help fund expansion and operating costs and includes a name change of the facility to reflect the Stormpay corporate logo. Private suites at a dirt track facility no less!
 
Yo Capo... ur research skillz are really impressive famz!!!
But all in all...

Wat are we gonna do? I mean there isn't much to do... we take a loss... Theres another fucking cracka walking away wit our money ... i mean not even on a small scale.. this mofo walkin away wit money from people all over the world... this other HYIP i was in had a ez million invested... and SP jus froze the account.Fuckin holdin accounts hostage... they str8 extortin.

I guess it was... too good to be true...

Us Negroes... jus got lured right back into that BIG wooden boat... wit all those nice shiny chains and shackles again. :smh:
 
Good look on the info *Capo*
and you do have a point NySoment

but I don't think 12daily is gonna go for that they had like 100,000 plus members they have more to lose then us. But fuc it for all we know 12daily could have been run by these same muthafucas. Man im so mad right i'll shoot a nigga :angry: . I SAY WE RIDE DOWN TO CLARKSVILLE AND PAY THAT NIGGA A VISIT :yes: :yes: :yes:
 
I got my info from 2 sites that I frequent their forums.

www.talkgold.com

www.moneymakergroup.com

Go to the forums on each. My screenname on there is Pablo34. They are updating information by the minute in both the Alien Trust and the 12DP threads. I will keep calling that rednecks office tomorrow, also.

There are cats already making a trip to Clarksville this weekend. Class action lawsuits are about to start getting filed. I'm hoping these pussies have a sudden change of heart tomorrow and fix everything. I'm out over $10K right now. I had a payment of $4900 that was to be processed tomorrow.

Spread this to everyone you know who is in either program.

P.S. To anyone who wanted to piss all over our hustle, do not think it was the hustle we were in....it was the payment processor to the hustle. Same result, but different path.
 
Yall are jumping the gun a little bit, I don't see this totally killing 12dp, alientrust maybe, but not 12dp.
 
Rebel-INS said:
Yall are jumping the gun a little bit, I don't see this totally killing 12dp, alientrust maybe, but not 12dp.
sp didn't kill it, some hick fucks in utah just did.

as for now 12dp has suspened any new upgrades. some jackasses are "misrepresenting 12dp"

some people had bus cards made with 12 dp logo on it and advertised it as an investment, which 12 dp never claimed to be.

check the latest 12 dp member thread and check www.talkgold.com forums for the abc report on them and the college news report.
 
I called Steve's (Storm Pay CEO) office a lil bit ago...that's his law office, the (931) 647-1501...the secretary claims he doesn't work for that firm. I asked her where does he work and she said she doesn't know. I then asked if he owned Storm Pay and she said she didn't know. THEN I asked her if a lot of people were calling there looking for him today, and she said "why do you want to know??"...then I said "because he has stolen a lot of money from a lot of people"....then she said "ohhhhh...Steve would never do that.." and HUNG UP ON ME!!


The phone number to his Storm Pay office is:

(931) 647-8750 ext. 105

I left a voicemail there last night.
 
seems like sp is the fuck up for real. 12dp just made a new statement about an hour ago calling bullshit on sp.

they're working on getting us our deposits back (which i think is big of them since their tos clearly states membership fees are non-refundable) but they may have their work cut out for them since sp has randomly given some people refunds out of 12dp supposedly locked account.

this is one helluva drama going on here.

btw if anyone want to try and make some money back you can try
www.surf15daily.com/?ref=5663
:lol:

15% a day for 10 days, only accepts EMO
their commision is a one time thing, unlike 12dp so hopefully there won't be the greedy bitches coming out like in utah illegally representing 12dp.

i've only started tonight and only dropped $50 in it so not a big loss if i get fucked.
 
cooliojones said:
Ya'll be better off playing lotto, at least it's backed by the government.

And what are the odds of winning your state lottery? 1 in 1,000,000?

Government sanctioned lotteries are government sanctioned scams. They sell you 1 "hope" of becoming a millionaire for $1... hahahahahah... :lol:
 
are we fucked? what happens if 12dp was processing money out to us? damn, they fucked us good if they run away with our money.
 
afroyale said:
And what are the odds of winning your state lottery? 1 in 1,000,000?

Government sanctioned lotteries are government sanctioned scams. They sell you 1 "hope" of becoming a millionaire for $1... hahahahahah... :lol:
I'd rather play lotto and know the money is going towards education versus taking a risk in a ponzi scheme hoping to cash out and jump ship before it sinks.
 
cooliojones said:
I'd rather play lotto and know the money is going towards education versus taking a risk in a ponzi scheme hoping to cash out and jump ship before it sinks.

Whatever floats your boat. The last time I checked, income and sales taxes weren't meant for only government cheese. Education myass.

Any way, I personally don't know someone that has won a lottery, but I know plenty (Stormpay not included :smh: ) that have profited very well from HYIPs and Autosurfs.
 
Alien Trust

This from Alien Trust founder:


Our Final Request From StormPay
4. February 2006 @ 16:40
Good Afternoon.

In reading through some of the posts on the StormPay's Response article several members thought it wise to go ahead even at this late point, and submit our business model to StormPay so that we would indeed have proof that we submitted that information.

That seemed like a smart thing to do so I have sent that to them in an offical post on the support system there so there would be a record of it. It seems that they may have actually stopped taking support tickets there as there was no confirmation sent to me as per the norm with their system.

In any event I have kept a copy of the letter here on my PC just for future reference.

I still fail to understand why so many of you thought that we were simply going to lay down and take this without fighting back, we have no intention of letting them get away with this without a fight. I thought I made that pretty clear.

It's simply not my way to go acting like an idiot and start ranting and raving about something I have no control over. I'm not a lawyer, so obviously I have no idea what is the best way to fight them, but I do have a meeting on Monday with an attorney to figure it out.

You'll notice we deleted all the comments on the older articles, they were getting completely out of control with people cussing each other and attacking us personally as if WE took the money. Apparently StormPay has a history of poor performance that we weren't aware of.

We've been members at StormPay for several years and have never had a single problem there ever. We had no way of knowing this would happen and no foresight to see it coming.

In any event, below is the Final Request we submitted to StormPay to implore them to release our account, and as of yet have heard nothing from them.

We'll update you on events as they unfold, we made a promise early on when our back office got hacked and money was stolen from e-gold members that we would take care of them, and we did. Every last penny was restore to those members accounts and we keep our promises.

As we as a company move forward in our next venture, those that choose to remain with us will be compensated for what they lost with StormPay. I'm not sure how right now, or in what regard, and I know it will take a good deal of time to accomplish, but we keep our promises. Just like when we promised to provide a program that would allow you to earn a living online, we did.

I have to say I'm a little disheartened by all the personal attacks, funny how AT was the greatest thing since peanut butter a few days ago, but now that StormPay is trying to steal our money we're scammers and crooks, not to mention all the other horrible things I was called in some of those posts. Thick skin is one thing but man, some people are really a**holes.

From day one we have always honored every request for a refund, never once have a made any attempt to fight a claim or deny a refund. As I said we even re-imbursed members for over 6000.00 that was blatantly stolen by e-gold. The only reason AT is offline is because of this StormPay nonsense. Any if they had done some homework, or actually contacted us we'd probably still be up and running. For anyone to say that we are scammers is bullsh*t. We paid out more money, faster than any ASC site in history. We were taking in over 2000 new members per day - why?

Because we did what we said we were going to do. We paid people every Friday like clockwork with the exception of those who gave us wrong info about their payout details. If you requested cashout you got paid on Friday afternoon, Monday at the latest, so I don't want to hear anymore crap about us being a scam - we never scammed anyone! It's StormPay who scammed you, NOT US!

As many of you have seen they aren't honoring your Claims, doesn't that tell you something? They're trying to steal the money! They won't give it us - they won't give it to you - what's the only other alternative? They're keeping it - probably to build a new house or racetrack. Regardless of what you think of autosurf, HYIP, or anything else - wouldn't you agree that if StormPay decided to no longer accept a certain type of business model that all the members who paid money to that site should get their money back? Then why are they denying your claims? Simple - they are lying to you and trying to convince you that we're to blame, as if we had any control over them freezing our account?

It's a snatch and grab folks, plain and simple - they see all this money coming in to AT and 12DP and all the others and they said, "Man, how can we go about keeping all this money?" So, they change their terms of service and freeze our accounts. You'll notice that their investigation took a complete 2 days so that they would be past the window were they had to return any fees on any of these transactions. Funny how that turned out huh?

Anyway, let's keep the comments contructive so we can leave them online, we'd like to see some real information and ideas exchanged here and knock off all the flaming and personal attacks.

Here's the Final Request we submitted to SP:

Vince Kronlein
Executive Director
North Shore Media

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

To: StormPay Inc.
From: North Shore Media
Subj: Requested Information On Our Company

Dear Sirs,

Recently as part of your response to the monumental business we've brought to your company and incredible profits you've received directly from us our account has been suspended for what you say is a lack of response to your repeated inquiries on the nature of our business model.

You know full well that you never requested any information from us concerning our business model, and you currently refuse to answer our repeated requests for information.

But nevertheless, I will detail for you here as an official record what our business model entails and this will serve as a legal document in court as our notification to you in response to any alleged request you made to us for a business model outline.

We will pursue legal action against StormPay Inc. for not only the 6.9 Million dollars you have stolen from us, but potential lost revenue for the future, and punitive damages as well.

Business Model Details:
------------------------------------------

North Shore Media is, has, and always will be an advertising firm located in Wichita Falls, TX that provides advertising services for individuals and companies in the home business arena.

Our company was launched in May of 2005 and has provided these services through many different domains and programs since that time to include marathonproject.net, quikscope.com, quikhits.com, quikhitspro.com, 2X200.com, and of course alientrust.com.

The program in question (alientrust.com) has a business model quite different from the traditional autosurf models of other sites, whereas we provide advertising packages completely separate from any potential earnings that a member might make.

Once an ad buy is placed for a specific amount and is approved, the member is issued credits to promote their ad, and those credits are issued immediately to their account for use in this regard.

Members are then allowed to earn a commission for viewing the advertising of our other members.

Members understand and agree upon joining Alien Trust that they are purchasing advertising, and they have received no guarantee whatsoever of any earnings potential based on the purchase of this product. Earnings for viewing ads is accomplished completely separate from any advertising purchase.

We then allow members to view the ads of other members to earn money, based on their current active ad buy. Many members do this to earn money, some choose not to.

We also allow members to earn a single level 6% commission on the purchase of ad buys by their personally sponsored referrals. There is NO multi-level affiliate earnings whatsoever at Alien Trust.

You have recently stated that our business is a ponzi scheme. I will remind you what constitutes a ponzi scheme just so we can compare the two business models side by side.

In order to qualify as a ponzi scheme the business would need to have no product or service, no scenario to re-buy goods or services and must be predicated on the constant referral of new members/money into it in order to redistribute that money to those at the top. This is what causes the eventual collapse of the model and precisely why it's illegal.

Number 1: We do offer a complete product and service, we sell advertising products to our members that last for a specific time frame. This disqualifies us as a ponzi scheme.

Number 2: Members must re-buy more advertising once their ad buy is completed. They cannot simply advertise for free, they must pay for advertising services, this means that new money is always coming into the business. This disqualifies us as a ponzi scheme.

Number 3: Our business DOES NOT depend on new members constantly coming into the business. As a matter of fact you would see if you bothered to even read the website, we limit our business to 100,000 members and no more. Constantly re-purchased advertising packages fuels the commission process, NOT new money coming in from referrals. Granted new money from new advertisers is certainly part of the picture, but in no way is the company dependent on new advertisers to support the commissions generated through the system. This disqualifies us as a ponzi scheme.

Simply stated, you don't understand what constitutes a ponzi scheme, and you've not taken the time to review our program to make a valid determination.

I've received word that you are now arbitrarily selecting which members will receive refunds and which won't and I suggest that you cease this action as it will only cause you more harm in the long run. We will be in contact with the FBI, FTC, Secret Service and the FDIC as well as filing legal action against you if you meddle with the funds in our account.

I hereby formally urge you to reconsider your stance here as it will only serve to destroy what little reputation StormPay has left at this point.

If I do not receive a formal response to this ticket within the hour legal action and telephone calls to the above listed agencies along with all the major media companies will begin.

Understand this is NOT a threat, we will recover what you've stolen from us.

Vince Kronlein
Executive Director
North Shore Media
 
While all of this drama is going on with Stormpay, has anyone found any other hustles out there. There has gotta be another cash-machine out there to help lighten the blow these "Stormpay Bitches" hit us with.

Down, but definitely not out!!
 
Good news for Alien Trust!

Good Afternoon Everyone,

My apologies for not posting an update yesterday, but we really had nothing new to pass on.

We have come to a decision on where to go from here. Please understand that there is simply no way for us to please everyone, no matter what we decide to do there will be those that are no going to like it, and we understand that.

At the present time, our staff is puring through all Pending transactions and posting them back to your account balance so that we can get an accurate representation of the total damage we've incurred in this debacle.

Once this is completed, we will do a complete back up of all financial information pertaining to your account. At that point we will will clear all existing balances and keep the backup on file.

We will be keeping all the database referrals and members in place, just zeroing the member levels so that we can start fresh with a new payment processor.

WE WILL KEEP YOUR EXISTING MEMBER LEVEL AND PAYMENT INFO ON FILE FOR REPAYMENT AT A LATER DATE!

Once we get a total figure and know exactly what the damage is, we can then begin setting aside our profits in order to build a fund up to the total amount needed to refund all members. WE WILL NOT BE PROCESSING ANY EARNINGS ONLY AD BUY DOLLARS.

Please keep in mind folks that this will take some time, but we always keep our promises and we'll get this money refunded to you, even though we aren't the ones who stole it. Hopefully we can recover this through legal means and the process will go faster, but either way, we feel the same pain that all of you are feeling and we're in this with you 100%.

We'll also be ensuring that your Site Credits for your earlier purchases aren't affected, this way we are keeping our end of the bargain and providing exactly what you paid for, the advertising of your websites. Ultimately folks please remember, we're under no obligation to pay anyone to surf, we are indeed obligated to either deliver the traffic you purchased, or refund your money.

BUT... we're gonna do both! You will get your traffic, and you will get a refund. First the traffic, then the refund. As I said, just keep in mind that it will take some time for us to get back to a level where we can start getting these refunds out to you, BUT WE WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN!

So, tonight after midnight we'll get started on adjusting account balances and getting back on the road.

Right now you're asking, "What payment processors will you be taking?"

Once again, some will agree with this strategy, and some will not. But let me share with you why we got hit so hard with this and what we're doing to solve it moving forward.

Once of the main reasons we got hammered was because of our weekly commission system. In order to facilitate the weekly payout we needed to keep most of the funds from ad sales in our StormPay account in order to ensure we always had enough funds to pay the weekly commissions. Obviously, we had no way of knowing StormPay would do this to us after years of processing literally millions of dollars in fees through their company. But they have, and that's that.

So how to we improve the system so that this CAN'T happen again?

By keeping the money in the BANK! That's how. Here's how we're going to get it done.

By reading through everyone's posts there will be no way to satisfy everyone. We saw some good recommedations for processors, then a few posts later there would be someone who hated that site.

So after extensive searches and looking into quite a few payment venues we've decided to set up the following system.

Immediately tomorrow we'll begin taking E-Gold once again. They seem to have recovered nicely from their investigation and have solved most of the previous issues that concerned us most, other than the no-chargeback issue.

As soon as we get the new IPN's completed we'll begin taking Uniclear and AlertPay. Both of these companies have good reputations, and 0 complaints through the BBBonline.

As I said, we'll be accepting these as forms of payment, but we will be transferring all ad sales funds from these accounts daily to our bank which is Chase (formerly BankOne) and we will be paying out commissions bi-weekly via check directly from our bank through QChex.com.

After several days of deliberation it became clear that the ONLY way to keep from getting into this situation again was to let the bank control the money and not the processors. Using the QChex system, which has been dramatically improved with far greater security and verification will also us to send checks to all our members worldwide directly from our bank quickly and efficiently.

You as a member will be able to print our your checks directly to your printer via the web (you will need theproper printable check forms and magnetic ink, both of which a very inexpensive) within 24 hours, after which if you don't print the check out, it will be mailed directly to you.

Once again I know that some people will not like this situation, but folks you need to understand THE INDUSTRY IS BLEEDING BAD, and the only way for us to ensure the security of our money is to keep it in the bank. We all need to change the way we think about the industry, we need to get that idea of doing things the old way out of our heads and start thinking about how we can secure the industry for the future.

We all know that there's nothing illegal about our industry, we offer significant advertising value for your money, there is no more targeted advertising available online than the traffic exchange industry, period. We have real products and we pay commissions for the sales of those products.

So just to recap:

1. The database will be backed up with everyone's current member levels and credits and saved in order to refund members over time, then reset to 0 member levels to re-launch.

2. Ad credits will be available for viewing to fulfill advertising packages starting tomorrow.

3. We will be accepting new Ad Buys starting tomorrow through E-Gold, then in a few days time Uniclear and AlertPay will become available.

4. Commission checks will begin to be paid starting 1 week from this Friday directly from our Chase Bank account through QChex.com payment services.

Like I said several times I know some will not like this set up, but we have alot of confidence that this set up will be much more secure and safe over time as we move forward.

Thanks everyone and sorry once again that it took us so long to get this news to you, but we certainly had quite a lot of research to do to make sure we were making the right decision.

Have a great evening and we'll see you tomorrow.

Vince Kronlein
Executive Director
North Shore Media
 
stormpay got me for a charge back but luckily I only had $64 dollars in my account. I gotta thank my nigga instincts for tellin me to spend most of it as soon as I got it. Save For What? Tomorrows Neva Promised. lol
 
Good for you 007. I had a $2.56 balance for the past 2 weeks, and it was still in there when I checked yesterday at 9:00PM. I think those who put in withdrawal requests and/or tickets for any issue regarding their SP accounts got chargebacks... aint that a bitch?

We gotta rebound outta this slump. I've always considered myself a calculated risk taker, but this SP shyt hit me from left field. Fuck!
 
that shit fucked us all up but the most successful people in life will tell you they filed bankruptcy 3 or 4 times before they got it right. So we just gotta keep our head up
 
Re: Auto-surfing: 12Dailypro.com Is it for real?

007 said:
stormpay got me for a charge back but luckily I only had $64 dollars in my account. I gotta thank my nigga instincts for tellin me to spend most of it as soon as I got it. Save For What? Tomorrows Neva Promised. lol
hey, can somebody explain what "chargebacks" are?
 
Main Entry: chargeback
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: a sum of money deducted by a credit card company from a merchant to cover losses for disallowed or fraudulent transactions
Example: The chargeback makes up for the cost of returned items or incorrect orders that the customer claims were made to his or her credit card.
 
007 said:
Main Entry: chargeback
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: a sum of money deducted by a credit card company from a merchant to cover losses for disallowed or fraudulent transactions
Example: The chargeback makes up for the cost of returned items or incorrect orders that the customer claims were made to his or her credit card.

Can someone else explain what this has to do with stormpay and people claiming stormpay took money from them?
 
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