Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil rig

[nittie]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Originally Posted by Panameno718
The very same banks that America has backed up and have done this to Latin America, Africa, and Asia is now turning on America/Europe till they bring us down to a 3rd world level and rob the middle classes wealth. America will be just like 3rd world country in which their will be only rich and poor

Originally Posted by Cruise
I have accepted this MUST happen.

The United States and its people have no history of acting responsibly as a world power. My only hope is to be ready when this eventually happens because it will not be pretty.

Ditto.

Self-sufficiency will be key.

Gotta disagree with this sentiment. The current system could lead to a 2 class society but I just don't think it will. The underclass Always overtakes the ruling class and that will probably happen again. American elites have gone to far, took too much, now the world doesn't trust them anymore they will become pariahs. There is some racism in the Arizona law but like I said it also tries to address a growing, violent, underclass. People are not going to keep obeying, might not happen for another 25-50 yrs but eventually they will start taking the law into their own hands and when they do we really will have a 'new world order'.

 

[Panameno718]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Has the under class in the 3rd world over taken the elite yet and have rised to a middle class in their 3rd world nation yet??? They are so poor they cant even rebel and that's where America is heading soon. We already have one foot in the door of the "NEW WORLD ORDER" and they have put in place a Police State control grid ready to take on the American people. America is the last free nation on this earth and it is being attack in every way by the "NEW WORLD ORDER" from the family, middle class, illegal immigration, banks looting us (Wall ST), inflation, dollar being devalued, taxes going up, NAFTA, endless un-lawful wars, and a big-government spending money out of control. Without a language, border, and culture there is no country.

Gotta disagree with this sentiment. The current system could lead to a 2 class society but I just don't think it will. The underclass Always overtakes the ruling class and that will probably happen again. American elites have gone to far, took too much, now the world doesn't trust them anymore they will become pariahs. There is some racism in the Arizona law but like I said it also tries to address a growing, violent, underclass. People are not going to keep obeying, might not happen for another 25-50 yrs but eventually they will start taking the law into their own hands and when they do we really will have a 'new world order'.

 

[nittie]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Has the under class in the 3rd world over taken the elite yet and have rised to a middle class in their 3rd world nation yet??? They are so poor they cant even rebel and that's where America is heading soon. We already have one foot in the door of the "NEW WORLD ORDER" and they have put in place a Police State control grid ready to take on the American people. America is the last free nation on this earth and it is being attack in every way by the "NEW WORLD ORDER" from the family, middle class, illegal immigration, banks looting us (Wall ST), inflation, dollar being devalued, taxes going up, NAFTA, endless un-lawful wars, and a big-government spending money out of control. Without a language, border, and culture there is no country.

Lain America has a revolution every ten years. Just last year Argentina was rioting. The problem is every leader falls into the same habits as their predecessor that won't happen if America revolts. In America the police and military are middle class, so are the teachers, doctors and lawyers only 10% of this population earns over 100k. Imagine the Tea Party uniting with crips and bloods or libertarians with the NOI thats what an American revolution would look like. It would cross all racial and cultural backgrounds. The only thing preventing it so far is no one has articulated a system the middle class can agree on but eventually someone will.

 

[cbm_redux]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Fuck Obama, right in his half-white ass! Round every last one of them up and send them home. If they try to come back, shoot them dead. My ancestors paid for my citizenship in blood. Motherfuck some flea-bitten beaner thinking they can just wade across the Rio Grande and avail themselves of my birthright.

 

[cbm_redux]

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America will be just like 3rd world country in which their will be only rich and poor .

I hate to break it to you, but that is the natural economic distribution of the United States. You were born after WWII. So, you think that it's normal for motherfuckers working in factories to own houses and cars etc. It isn't. And slowly but surely, Republicans are turning back the clock to the time before, the god Emperor, FDR. You young niggas are going to live long enough to see the breadlines return. Watch and see.

 

[Lamarr]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Question for the board:

It is documented that 70% of Arizonans are in favor of the Governor's decision, Why is it that some of our elected officials take the position to support non-citizens?

Seems to me our officials are neglecting the wishes of their constituents! Am I getting this wrong, help me out

 

[Megazell]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Fuck Obama, right in his half-white ass! Round every last one of them up and send them home. If they try to come back, shoot them dead. My ancestors paid for my citizenship in blood. Motherfuck some flea-bitten beaner thinking they can just wade across the Rio Grande and avail themselves of my birthright.

The strength of your ignorance is STRONG.

 

[cbm_redux]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

The strength of your ignorance is STRONG.

Eat a dick, dummy.

 

[Megazell]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Eat a dick, dummy.

Emotional too...

I guess Mexicans don't have a history of being slaves too or losing blood to 'Americans' over their land either...

Shameful display of false intellect.

 

[QueEx]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Gotdammit, Cruise and I agree on something.

I'll be right back, I'm going to play the numbers and hope I don't get struck by lightening.

Hell, I thought I was seeing things . . .

QueEx

 

[QueEx]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Eat a dick, dummy.

You've been around a while so I know you've had a chance to read the rules on this side. If not, read them now. In the meantime, drop name calling and please, please, leave off the "N" words.

Thanks,

QueEx

 

[QueEx]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Question for the board:

It is documented that 70% of Arizonans are in favor of the Governor's decision . . .

Wished you had dropped the citation to that poll

Why is it that some of our elected officials take the position to support non-citizens?

Is this really about protecting illegal aliens or the rights of legal Americans? Please tell me, how do you get to your "non-citizens" without trampling on the rights of citizens ???

The Arizona Act provides that for any "lawful contact" by law enforcement with an individual whom the enforcement official has "reasonable suspicion" that "the person is an alien" - - the law enforcement official SHALL "determine the immigration status of the person."

• How does the Arizona law enforcement official arrive at reasonable suspicion that the person is an illegal alien ??? -- BEFORE he starts to inquire into his status ???

• How does the Arizona law enforcement official DISTINGUISH between an American citizen - and - an illegal alien -- BEFORE he starts to inquire in the person's status ???

Help me out.

QueEx

 

[Megazell]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Wished you had dropped the citation to that poll



Is this really about protecting illegal aliens or the rights of legal Americans? Please tell me, how do you get to your "non-citizens" without trampling on the rights of citizens ???

The Arizona Act provides that for any "lawful contact" by law enforcement with an individual whom the enforcement official has "reasonable suspicion" that "the person is an alien" - - the law enforcement official SHALL "determine the immigration status of the person."

• How does the Arizona law enforcement official arrive at reasonable suspicion that the person is an illegal alien ??? -- BEFORE he starts to inquire into his status ???

• How does the Arizona law enforcement official DISTINGUISH between an American citizen - and - an illegal alien -- BEFORE he starts to inquire in the person's status ???

Help me out.

QueEx

Those are the questions everyone seems to be throwing around and yet no one will come right out and say 'We're going use RACIAL PROFILING!'

I think our borders are a serious issue but I just can't see how this is going to address anything of merit in Arizona that actually pertains to border security.

If it's that serious - Why don't we have military there (at the border)?

 

[QueEx]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Those are the questions everyone seems to be throwing around and yet no one will come right out and say 'We're going use RACIAL PROFILING!'

Yeah, I think you're right. But lets see what the "supporters" say. Perhaps there is a way for this to work without racial profiling. I don't support open borders and I don't support just granting people legal status just because they were able to, sneak-in.

I think we have a serious illegal immigration problem and its infected with politics.


QueEx

 

[Lamarr]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Wished you had dropped the citation to that poll

post 14 bruh

Is this really about protecting illegal aliens or the rights of legal Americans? Please tell me, how do you get to your "non-citizens" without trampling on the rights of citizens ???

QueEx

Simple, you "demagnetize America". They come here for the jobs & the benefits. Fine employers & cut off any benefits they may be recieving. They will leave Que........and we won't have to pay a dime to deport anyone. My approach is a little different from the Gov in AZ but no rights will be violated & no racial profiling

Back to my question: Why is it that some of our elected officials take the position to support non-citizens?

 

[QueEx]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

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Another Interesting Aspect of the Arizona Immigration Act:
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Those who crafted the legislation provided a way to get themselves<font size="3"> paid !</font size>

The Act provides that on a lawful contact where there is reasonable suspicion that the person contacted in an illegal alien, the officer SHALL (as in MUST) inquire or check into his "immigration" status.

If, however, someone (guess who) feels that a city or county is NOT making the checks or actively enforcing the Immigration laws, GUESS WHAT ??? That person can sue the city or county for failing to enforce AND the court can award Attorneys Fees (some of you may not know how lucrative! this can be). Article 8 Section G of the Act states:

"A PERSON MAY BRING AN ACTION IN SUPERIOR COURT TO CHALLENGE ANY OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ADOPTS OR IMPLEMENTS A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW. IF THERE IS A JUDICIAL FINDING THAT AN ENTITY HAS VIOLATED THIS SECTION, THE COURT SHALL ORDER ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

1. THAT THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT THE ACTION RECOVER COURT COSTS AND ATTORNEY FEES."​

 

[QueEx]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Is this really about protecting illegal aliens or the rights of legal Americans? Please tell me, how do you get to your "non-citizens" without trampling on the rights of citizens ???

Simple, you "demagnetize America". They come here for the jobs & the benefits. Fine employers & cut off any benefits they may be recieving. They will leave Que........and we won't have to pay a dime to deport anyone. My approach is a little different from the Gov in AZ but no rights will be violated & no racial profiling

Perhaps I should been clearer. Please tell me, how do you get to your "non-citizens" without trampling on the rights of citizens <font size="3">under the Arizona Act</font size> ??? We are discussing the Arizona law (not that your fantasy law (LOL) is not interesting -- its just that its not the law! right now. (LOL)

Back to my question: Why is it that some of our elected officials take the position to support non-citizens?

One thing at a time. Lets get the above straight first, then we can take up your question. I agree that it needs answering. I just don't want you to get off track.

QueEx

 

[Lamarr]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Perhaps I should been clearer. Please tell me, how do you get to your "non-citizens" without trampling on the rights of citizens <font size="3">under the Arizona Act</font size> ??? We are discussing the Arizona law (not that your fantasy law (LOL) is not interesting -- its just that its not the law! right now. (LOL)

QueEx

right! Can't say I'm behind the AZ Act for the reasons many have already stated (thats the main reason I haven't really chimed in with an opinion). While it's a hot issue now, our civil liberties should be protected.

Now, 70% of Arizonans approve of these totalitarian measures, their support of the bill shouldn't be disregarded, should it?

 

[Megazell]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

right! Can't say I'm behind the AZ Act for the reasons many have already stated (thats the main reason I haven't really chimed in with an opinion). While it's a hot issue now, our civil liberties should be protected.

Now, 70% of Arizonans approve of these totalitarian measures, their support of the bill shouldn't be disregarded, should it?

How good is the info on that poll?

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Question for the board:

It is documented that 70% of Arizonans are in favor of the Governor's decision, Why is it that some of our elected officials take the position to support non-citizens?

Seems to me our officials are neglecting the wishes of their constituents! Am I getting this wrong, help me out

It is documented that 70% of Arizonans are in favor of the Governor's decision, Why is it that some of our elected officials take the position to support non-citizens?

You had better be careful of ruling by polls. Remember prior to 1865 over 95% of the then "Americans" favored bondage of an entire people and I'm sure if you polled several southern states it is possible that a plurality would favor a return to such laws.

"Taking their country back?"

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

right! Can't say I'm behind the AZ Act for the reasons many have already stated (thats the main reason I haven't really chimed in with an opinion). While it's a hot issue now, our civil liberties should be protected.

Now, 70% of Arizonans approve of these totalitarian measures, their support of the bill shouldn't be disregarded, should it?

Now, 70% of Arizonans approve of these totalitarian measures, their support of the bill shouldn't be disregarded, should it?

Isn't this the type of hysteria that followed the events of 9/11/2001? 70% of the people wanted to kick somebody's ass, anybodies?

 

[QueEx]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

<font size="3"> Can't say I'm behind the AZ Act for the reasons many have already stated (thats the main reason I haven't really chimed in with an opinion). While it's a hot issue now, our civil liberties should be protected. </font size>

Now that we got that straight.

Now, 70% of Arizonans approve of these totalitarian measures, their support of the bill shouldn't be disregarded, should it?

Source

70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration

The Arizona legislature has now passed the toughest measure against illegal immigration in the country, authorizing local police to stop and check the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally.

A new Rasmussen Reports <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">telephone survey</span> finds that 70% of <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">likely voters</span> in Arizona approve of the legislation, while just 23% oppose it.

• Lets put aside the problems inherent in telephone surveys. Assuming the poll is accurate, you omitted this from the article: 53% of voters in the state are concerned that efforts to identify and deport illegal immigrants also will end up violating the civil rights of U.S. citizens.
  
  
  (this is precisely why we don't have pure democracy, a-k-a mobocracy, a-k-a anarchy, a-k-a Cruise'ocracy. The masses are too easily whipped into hysteria, especially by artful and designing people who disquise their hate, for other people)​

• In 2008, there were 4.6 million people in the voting age population in Arizona; 2.874 million registered voters and 1.295 million people in Arizona NOT REGISTERED to vote. Does your survey speak for them ???

But even beyond that, as political fervor in this country ebbs and flows, there is another huge issue always lurking that people tend to just overlook: in our representative form of government where people elect representatives to look out for their interest, what is the responsibility of the elected official ???

• Is the elected official to merely vote on issues the way he perceives a majority of his constituents wants him to vote ??? (that is so problematic I could write a book, right here); OR

• Has the person been elected to exercise good judgment and to make decisions in the "Best Interest" of the people ??? (because what the majority may want (i.e., Segregation) might not be in the best interest of the people!).

 

[Megazell]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

^ Exactly. Telephone polls and online polls that pertain to domestic issues are always flawed.

Different agencies and institutions use them from time to time to justify themselves in the media because they provide perfect sound bites for no research reporting.

 

[MASTERBAKER]

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VOTO LATINO DECRIES PASSAGE OF RACIAL PROFILING BILL IN ARIZONA

April 23, 2010, Washington, D.C. – Voto Latino condemns the passing of SB 1070, signed into law by Arizona governor Jan Brewer at 4:30 pm EST today. The bill grants law enforcement officers the ability to, without a warrant, arrest any person whom the officer, with probable cause, believes might be illegally residing in the U.S.

 

[Lamarr]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

• Lets put aside the problems inherent in telephone surveys. Assuming the poll is accurate, you omitted this from the article: 53% of voters in the state are concerned that efforts to identify and deport illegal immigrants also will end up violating the civil rights of U.S. citizens.

• 
  
  Honestly, the rights of citizens are steadily eroding regardless of the what this bill introduces (ie. FISA, Patriot Act to name a couple) But I think we agree in principle that AZ is on a dangerous path.
  
  

  • In 2008, there were 4.6 million people in the voting age population in Arizona; 2.874 million registered voters and 1.295 million people in Arizona NOT REGISTERED to vote. Does your survey speak for them ???

  
  Well, it only targeted likely voters.
  
  Polls are subject to interpretation, but nevertheless, it was conducted. I don't know Que, seems pretty convincing to me and after living in Vegas for a year, I wouldn't dispute their findings.
  
  

  But even beyond that, as political fervor in this country ebbs and flows, there is another huge issue always lurking that people tend to just overlook: in our representative form of government where people elect representatives to look out for their interest, what is the responsibility of the elected official ???
  

  • Is the elected official to merely vote on issues the way he perceives a majority of his constituents wants him to vote ??? (that is so problematic I could write a book, right here); OR

  
  

  • Has the person been elected to exercise good judgment and to make decisions in the "Best Interest" of the people ??? (because what the majority may want (i.e., Segregation) might not be in the best interest of the people!).

  
  Ultimately, an elected official takes an oath to uphold & defend the Constitution, whether state or federal.
  
  Hate to bring this up again but the problem was the laws were not being enforced on a Federal level and AZ felt they had to take matters into their own hands. I'll wait to see how it all pans out but it appears the law is already having an effect on non-citizens
  
  
  Governor's Approval Rising for what its worth
  
  

  A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in the state shows that 56% now approve of the way Brewer is performing her role as governor. Two weeks ago, just 40% offered their approval.

 

[Lamarr]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Isn't this the type of hysteria that followed the events of 9/11/2001? 70% of the people wanted to kick somebody's ass, anybodies?

Its not a very good practice to answer a question with a question, especially if you haven't answered the question. I know you probably didn't mean to do that and we all tend to do it at times, but it just looks like you're dodging the question when thats your only real response.

QueEx

 

[Panameno718]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Poll: Most support Arizona immigration law


Seven in 10 U.S. adults support arresting people who can't prove they're in the United States legally, a poll about Arizona's new immigration law indicated.

The Angus Reid Public Opinion poll of 1,002 American adults asked respondents if they'd want four guidelines in Arizona's immigration law enacted in their own state.

The law, the nation's toughest, seeks to identify, prosecute and deport illegal immigrants and gives police broad powers to stop people on suspicion of being in the United States illegally.

Seventy-one percent of poll respondents said they'd support requiring their own police to determine people's U.S. status if there was "reasonable suspicion" the people were illegal immigrants, the poll found.

An equal percentage supported arresting those people if they couldn't prove they were legally in the United States.

Almost two-thirds, or 64 percent, said they believed immigration hurt the United States, with nearly six in 10, or 58 percent, saying illegal immigrants took jobs away from American workers, the poll found.

When asked about solving the status of illegal immigrants, 45 percent said undocumented workers should be required to leave their jobs and be deported, the poll found.

Sixteen percent said those people should be allowed to continue working on a temporary basis and 28 percent supported letting them to stay and apply for U.S. citizenship.

Respondents in the U.S. Midwest were more likely than those in other areas to express a desire to deport illegal immigrants, the poll found

The online poll, taken April 22-23, has a margin of error of 3.1 percent.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010...t-Arizona-immigration-law/UPI-55921272544207/

 

[Panameno718]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

From the L. A. Times

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3..9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

 

[Panameno718]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

BATTLE FOR THE REPUBLIC

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

From the L. A. Times

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3..9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

For a right wing, trickle down supply sider such as yourself, I would of thought you approve of this. Creating tax revenue (even though you hate taxes)

"Taking their country back?"

 

[Panameno718]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

I do not know why you keep calling me right wing I am a political atheist who is against the Republican Party and also the Democratic party. Keep on getting played like a fool by the 2 party system when they are one in the same about big government and taking away the peoples rights and enslaving. Keep siding with the Illegal aliens who hate you and have nothing but disgust for the American soon they will be ruling over you and their childrens children.

For a right wing, trickle down supply sider such as yourself, I would of thought you approve of this. Creating tax revenue (even though you hate taxes)

"Taking their country back?"

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

I do not know why you keep calling me right wing I am a political atheist who is against the Republican Party and also the Democratic party. Keep on getting played like a fool by the 2 party system when they are one in the same about big government and taking away the peoples rights and enslaving. Keep siding with the Illegal aliens who hate you and have nothing but disgust for the American soon they will be ruling over you and their childrens children.

I'll tell you what! I'll bet my salary to yours that more Americans own more property and businesses in Mexico than Mexicans own American businesses and property. Political atheist my ass! Did you vote for GW? Your about as big a corporatist right winger as ever existed. You know how to stop the illegal immigration.

 

[Juboy76]

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Unbelievable........Yea I know that's a hundred percent true...Mexico had to amend property owning laws to prevent Americans from owning the entire country...Currently you have to be native born Mexican to purchase property....Otherwise you lease for life....My question is when will blacks and browns realize we're in this together and if we pool our political and financial strength America immediately changes

 

[Panameno718]

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I did not vote for George W. Bush, and I am for a free market and not a corpatist, do you know the difference between a free market and corpatism??? If not than I will pm you the defintion I do not want to jack this theard. When George W. Bush was in office Republicans where calling me left wing, and now that I do not agree with a Obama I am a right winger....., and the end of the day they are one in the same brother and look at his polcies and they are now different from Bush, big government, end less wars, patriot act, police state, bailing out the banks(Wall St)...etc. Both Partys have been hijacked and taken over by specail interests and they are not for the American people anymore. Ilegal Immigration is another part of the battle to save America before it's to late. The 1st solution is to close the borders and build a fence on the borders of Mexico and Canada, 2nd fine any employers who hire illegal aliens, 3rd if they are here illgeally and thet have a child their child is not an American citizen, 4 do not give welfare to anyone who is here illegally to them and their illegal children, and this is the 1st process and then we proceed on what are going to do with the Illegal Aliens who are here now.

Political atheist my ass! Did you vote for GW? Your about as big a corporatist right winger as ever existed. You know how to stop the illegal immigration.

 

[nittie]

Re: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs US's toughest immigration law; Obama slams as civil

Unbelievable........Yea I know that's a hundred percent true...Mexico had to amend property owning laws to prevent Americans from owning the entire country...Currently you have to be native born Mexican to purchase property....Otherwise you lease for life....My question is when will blacks and browns realize we're in this together and if we pool our political and financial strength America immediately changes

The internet can unite the working class. There has to be a message and system articulated though, one a cross section can support. Obama's presidency shows what's possible he is the perfect example of a idea who's time had come. The problem is movements have a way of being hijacked by special interest, see that now with the tea party, a movement started on the net is going to run into some serious power struggles but it can be done.