Are you still a fan of Clint Eastwood?
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Some folks get weird when they get old. But if you look back and take the full measure of his work, you will notice that he almost always had a brother or a latino in a significant role, way before others did. See Unforgiven as an example, but it is not the only one. Any Dirty Harry, Josey Wales, etc. What he says politically has always been bullshit. But as far as being a fan, I will go with what I saw him do.
Shit was funny in a ghoulish way though.
Shit was funny in a ghoulish way though.
I stopped being a Eastwood fan when he ignored the efforts of black troops that fought at Iwo Jima in the movie, "Flags of Our Fathers." Fucking racist!
I think Spike went after him for this too...
man i'm a bigger fan now more than ever..i gave 2 shits about both conventions than dis guy does a 10 min comedy show and i'm dying my ass off..dis nigga said fuck a puppet i'm doin ghost chair..i'm waiting for da movie..ted watch out ghost chair and gramps gonna be that new funny shit
I'm moreso a fan of Clint's characters and work than him as a person. I don't know dude and I won't doubt whether he is racist or not, truthfully I'd prefer notto really see it. I don't go out of my way to support him other than borrowing a movie every now and then and maybe owning a few spaghetti westerns I watched w/my pops as well.
Hell a lot of rappers are idiots in real life, but make quality stuff, that's art I guess.
LOL WHAT HOMIE SAID ABOUT HIS FACE IS DEADASSED TRUE THO, LOL HE GOT THAT "IN-MISSISSIPPI-WE-HANG-YOU-FOR-LESS-FACE......"
But that's Blondie man, Dirty Harry, Josey Wales etc.... lol can't hate his work
Hell a lot of rappers are idiots in real life, but make quality stuff, that's art I guess.
LOL WHAT HOMIE SAID ABOUT HIS FACE IS DEADASSED TRUE THO, LOL HE GOT THAT "IN-MISSISSIPPI-WE-HANG-YOU-FOR-LESS-FACE......"
But that's Blondie man, Dirty Harry, Josey Wales etc.... lol can't hate his work
I stopped liking Clint after DIRTY HARRY.....I could feel the racist overtones in that movie...
His politics have been well known for a while... I got no problem with him expressing his views. As nutty as his chair skit was, I think he's not batshit like Chuck Norris is seeming these days. ...and High Plains Drifter, The Gauntlet, and Unforgiven (among others) are still some great movies.
Something I found out recently (totally unrelated to this thread, and not so much a knock at Clint)... but his movie "The Outlaw, Josey Wales" was based on a book written by a big time racist... the same guy who wrote George Wallace's most famous speech (Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!):
http://www.npr.org/2012/04/20/151037079/the-artful-reinvention-of-klansman-asa-earl-carter
Something I found out recently (totally unrelated to this thread, and not so much a knock at Clint)... but his movie "The Outlaw, Josey Wales" was based on a book written by a big time racist... the same guy who wrote George Wallace's most famous speech (Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!):
http://www.npr.org/2012/04/20/151037079/the-artful-reinvention-of-klansman-asa-earl-carter
Damn great show until Larry David stopped being involved in the writing.
You watched Seinfeld?
I've never given a fuck about an entertainers opinion from day one. And over 3/4 of the entertainers I like probably have social views contrary to mine. And that always takes me back to square one about not giving a fuck about entertainers opinions on shit. From day one.
.... so, yeah. Being that I would still watch him shoot the shit outta people for 2 hours, I still consider myself a fan.
.... so, yeah. Being that I would still watch him shoot the shit outta people for 2 hours, I still consider myself a fan.
Not a fan of anyone; that's what people get for hero worshiping an entertainer. As for the convention, I thought he was funny, but I also heard what he said. He said everyone is culpable, but that the president being in charge is the whipping boy. It seems to me that he was saying get rid of anyone who doesn't get the job done.In the corporate world, it doesn't matter if products not being sold is because of the economy, the CEO has to come up with a game plan to produce or he will be fired.
He did the insult was that a few of the vets that was there are still alive and spoke about their rolls. Black men died on Iwo Jima just like white men died.
You watched Seinfeld?
What's wrong with Seinfeld, it's only one of the most popular shows in TV history
Gran Torino Actor Reveals Behind-the-Scenes Racism
The Multicultural Center put on a program that opened the audience’s eyes to the racial stereotypes portrayed in Hollywood films in addition to the unfair treatment that minority actors receive backstage. The program was held on Tuesday, January 18.
Bee Vang, actor and second-year student at Brown University, and Dr. Louisa Schein, Hmong media expert, discussed the truth of what happened behind the scenes of the movie Gran Torino.
Clint Eastwood’s Gran Torino is about a racist old man named Walt who overcomes his prejudice by helping his teenager neighbor Thao. Thao is part of the Hmong community, a small ethnic Asian group.
Though many of the people who have seen the film may have gotten a sense of satisfaction and joy from seeing that Walt overcame his racism, the people who acted as the Hmong members in the movie did not. They were offended by the traces of racism that were included in the movie and that they experienced themselves on set.
Vang, who played Thao in the film, said he and the other Hmong actors were treated unfairly. Eastwood would not allow them to tweak their lines (even though he claimed that he did allow them to when asked in interviews following the release of the movie) and would not give them any tips on character building.
The actors felt degraded when they were told to “make noise” by rambling words in their language. The Hmong actors were also left out by their fellow cast members who were white.
The cast members excluded them from cast events because they immediately assumed that Hmong actors were exactly like their character counterparts—unable to speak English clearly or to understand anything “American.”
Vang also mentioned that he was upset by the way the Hmongs were portrayed in the film. He did not want the Hmong community—his own community—to be seen in a negative light by the audience. He pointed out that tea ceremonies were not performed correctly, that some of their important political lines in the script were not subtitled into English, and that these inaccuracies led to misconceptions of the community.
UCSB first-year Jen Greenfield was surprised to hear about these truths.
“When I first saw Gran Torino, I thought that it was really good because I didn’t know about the whole background,” she said. “This discussion has made me realize that I do approach things with a white supremacy point of view. It was interesting to hear a different perspective.”
The movie itself contained many racial slurs about Asians that the speakers found insulting.
In the scene in which Walt takes Thao to his friend’s barber shop, Thao is called names such as “pussy kid,” “dick smoking Guk head” and “chink.” These degrading words imply that Asians are feminine and homosexual.
Vang explained that he accepted this role because he wanted to make changes to the script in order to get his view across that this discrimination was wrong.
“When I read the script, I thought that it was messed up,” he said. “I wanted to get the part and do something about it, but when I got there, I couldn’t.”
Unfortunately, no one can do much about the stereotypes because they go beyond Gran Torino.
The speakers note that many movies in which the original characters are supposed to be played by Asians are played by white people. These stereotypes are shown in movies so often that viewers may not even notice them or take them seriously.
UCSB English graduate student Ly Chong Janau recognized this observation and hopes that more people do, too.
“People pretend that they are in a society past racism, but that is not the case,” Janau said. “A lot of these stereotypes exist, but they are not acknowledged enough. It’s there all the time but there is a lot of resistance.”
In order to stop these racial stereotypes from being portrayed in movies, Vang and Schein propose that minority directors should get behind the camera and make movies to expose Hollywood, using the master’s tool against the master. They also suggest that people should speak out, both individually and in groups.
Vang wrote and directed his own parody of the barber scene in order to portray the stupidity of stereotypes. His spoof, which is on YouTube, switches the roles of Walt and Thao to exaggerate how ridiculous the situation is and to show that a dominant person cannot have power without having someone to oppress.
Schein thinks that videos like these are a good way to speak out against the media.
“Spoofs are effective even though they’ll take a long time to circulate through YouTube and create political intervention,” she said.
On the other hand, East Asian Studies Professor Mayfair Yang believes that speaking up in groups rather than by oneself would be a better way to get the message across.
“Each one of us has the opportunity to speak up. If we speak up together in organized groups, we can make a better difference over time,” said Yang.
MCC associate director Viviana Marsano, who is in charge of planning the MCC’s various events, was incredibly enthusiastic about providing this particular program.
“The content of this workshop is exactly what the MCC is about—breaking the stereotypes of colored communities and addressing the issues of sexuality and gender. It fulfills the mission of the MCC,” she said.
http://thebottomline.as.ucsb.edu/2011/01/gran-torino-actor-reveals-behind-the-scenes-racism
Touching. He thought he was special and got his nigga wake up call.
Gran Torino Actor Reveals Behind-the-Scenes Racism
The Multicultural Center put on a program that opened the audience’s eyes to the racial stereotypes portrayed in Hollywood films in addition to the unfair treatment that minority actors receive backstage. The program was held on Tuesday, January 18.
Bee Vang, actor and second-year student at Brown University, and Dr. Louisa Schein, Hmong media expert, discussed the truth of what happened behind the scenes of the movie Gran Torino.
Clint Eastwood’s Gran Torino is about a racist old man named Walt who overcomes his prejudice by helping his teenager neighbor Thao. Thao is part of the Hmong community, a small ethnic Asian group.
Though many of the people who have seen the film may have gotten a sense of satisfaction and joy from seeing that Walt overcame his racism, the people who acted as the Hmong members in the movie did not. They were offended by the traces of racism that were included in the movie and that they experienced themselves on set.
Vang, who played Thao in the film, said he and the other Hmong actors were treated unfairly. Eastwood would not allow them to tweak their lines (even though he claimed that he did allow them to when asked in interviews following the release of the movie) and would not give them any tips on character building.
The actors felt degraded when they were told to “make noise” by rambling words in their language. The Hmong actors were also left out by their fellow cast members who were white.
The cast members excluded them from cast events because they immediately assumed that Hmong actors were exactly like their character counterparts—unable to speak English clearly or to understand anything “American.”
Vang also mentioned that he was upset by the way the Hmongs were portrayed in the film. He did not want the Hmong community—his own community—to be seen in a negative light by the audience. He pointed out that tea ceremonies were not performed correctly, that some of their important political lines in the script were not subtitled into English, and that these inaccuracies led to misconceptions of the community.
UCSB first-year Jen Greenfield was surprised to hear about these truths.
“When I first saw Gran Torino, I thought that it was really good because I didn’t know about the whole background,” she said. “This discussion has made me realize that I do approach things with a white supremacy point of view. It was interesting to hear a different perspective.”
The movie itself contained many racial slurs about Asians that the speakers found insulting.
In the scene in which Walt takes Thao to his friend’s barber shop, Thao is called names such as “pussy kid,” “dick smoking Guk head” and “chink.” These degrading words imply that Asians are feminine and homosexual.
Vang explained that he accepted this role because he wanted to make changes to the script in order to get his view across that this discrimination was wrong.
“When I read the script, I thought that it was messed up,” he said. “I wanted to get the part and do something about it, but when I got there, I couldn’t.”
Unfortunately, no one can do much about the stereotypes because they go beyond Gran Torino.
The speakers note that many movies in which the original characters are supposed to be played by Asians are played by white people. These stereotypes are shown in movies so often that viewers may not even notice them or take them seriously.
UCSB English graduate student Ly Chong Janau recognized this observation and hopes that more people do, too.
“People pretend that they are in a society past racism, but that is not the case,” Janau said. “A lot of these stereotypes exist, but they are not acknowledged enough. It’s there all the time but there is a lot of resistance.”
In order to stop these racial stereotypes from being portrayed in movies, Vang and Schein propose that minority directors should get behind the camera and make movies to expose Hollywood, using the master’s tool against the master. They also suggest that people should speak out, both individually and in groups.
Vang wrote and directed his own parody of the barber scene in order to portray the stupidity of stereotypes. His spoof, which is on YouTube, switches the roles of Walt and Thao to exaggerate how ridiculous the situation is and to show that a dominant person cannot have power without having someone to oppress.
Schein thinks that videos like these are a good way to speak out against the media.
“Spoofs are effective even though they’ll take a long time to circulate through YouTube and create political intervention,” she said.
On the other hand, East Asian Studies Professor Mayfair Yang believes that speaking up in groups rather than by oneself would be a better way to get the message across.
“Each one of us has the opportunity to speak up. If we speak up together in organized groups, we can make a better difference over time,” said Yang.
MCC associate director Viviana Marsano, who is in charge of planning the MCC’s various events, was incredibly enthusiastic about providing this particular program.
“The content of this workshop is exactly what the MCC is about—breaking the stereotypes of colored communities and addressing the issues of sexuality and gender. It fulfills the mission of the MCC,” she said.
http://thebottomline.as.ucsb.edu/2011/01/gran-torino-actor-reveals-behind-the-scenes-racism
Yea that movie rubbed me the wrong way, it's not surprising at all to hear what happened when the cameras weren't rolling. I checked out that video Vang made pretty funny the way he ridicules the whole white idea of 'masculinity'.
And for the OP question, Never was a fan of Clint Eastwood myself so that GOP speech doesn't steer me one way or the other.
This man is a Hollywood icon in a way John Wayne NEVER will be.
Unlike John Wayne; Clint Eastwoods movies have been universally loved & embraced by people of all races.
John Wayne had a clear dislike & distain for blacks. I have his Playboy magazine interview in which he openly admits to believing in the superiority of the white race. This belief shows up in both his movies & politics.
Wayne was a draft dodging flag waver who always seemed to be trying to make up for the fact that he didn't fight Nazis during WWII. Unlike guys like Jimmy Stewart...
Clint Eastwood on the other hand; was never a flag waver or speech maker. He made movies in which one man usually had to do what's right while working within a corrupt & inept system of justice.
I mean; really, who hasn't identified with Dirty Harry at some point in their lives with regard to the legal system?
I don't believe Clint Eastwood is a racist nor does he hope to "surpress" people of color.
I still love his movies.
It's just his politics I disagree with.
Unlike John Wayne; Clint Eastwoods movies have been universally loved & embraced by people of all races.
John Wayne had a clear dislike & distain for blacks. I have his Playboy magazine interview in which he openly admits to believing in the superiority of the white race. This belief shows up in both his movies & politics.
Wayne was a draft dodging flag waver who always seemed to be trying to make up for the fact that he didn't fight Nazis during WWII. Unlike guys like Jimmy Stewart...
Clint Eastwood on the other hand; was never a flag waver or speech maker. He made movies in which one man usually had to do what's right while working within a corrupt & inept system of justice.
I mean; really, who hasn't identified with Dirty Harry at some point in their lives with regard to the legal system?
I don't believe Clint Eastwood is a racist nor does he hope to "surpress" people of color.
I still love his movies.
It's just his politics I disagree with.
Fuck his speech and his thoughts. He is an actor. A very good actor. Who gives a fuck what he thinks. I can like his movies and not like him as a person.
Ya pops put me on to his westerns...been a huge fan of his Dirty Harry series and other flicks he had in the 70s/80s...Heartbreak Ridge + Unforgiven come to mind as well as Million Dollar Baby as far as "recent" flicks of his I liked...but dude ain't really did nothing in a minute that caught my interest...so it's easy not to give a fuck about him or his movies in light of his speech @ the convention
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Damn Heartbreak Ridge was almost 30 years ago...what.the.fuck.
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Damn Heartbreak Ridge was almost 30 years ago...what.the.fuck.
Oddly enough, this is one inbred character of minorities living in the states or where ever. We've already been conditioned to accepting whites in television and movie roles since childhood so we can separate their roles from actual lifestyles.
However, whites and minorities have difficulties doing the same for us. Sometimes even our own. Why does Alfonso Riberto have to be Carlton from the Fresh Prince? Why does Gary Coleman have to be Arnold? Why do rappers have to be shooting in real life and Stallone doesn't have to be Rambo & Rocky?
I don't think that he's racist but it will be hard for me to support him. I don't get how some folks still watch the apprentice. I know that we have the right to voice our opinions. But Trump and Eastwood won't get any support from me.
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Pretty much. I just naturally assume a old white man is racist. I didn't watch his speech though and wont assume he's racist just becuase he criticised a black man. I'll just assume he's racist because he's old and white.
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