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Slavery 2010
Think you’re free? Take a close look at the choices you don’t have.
By Jon Jeter


“I freed a thousand slaves,” Harriet Tubman famously said. “I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.”

slavery_1.jpg

With a black man occupying the White House, and the nation grappling with a wrenching recession, and celebrating the contributions of African Americans to this nation’s history, this seems an opportune moment to reconsider Tubman’s challenge and ask ourselves: Are we slaves?

In his Pulitzer Prize-winning book, Inhuman Bondage: The Rise and Fall of Slavery In The New World, the historian David Brion Davis contends that ownership, historically, has not defined the relationship between master and slave. What defines the arrangement, he posits, is the vassal’s “perpetual condition of dishonor,” which provides the “master class with a resource for parasitic and psychological exploitation.” This, Davis argues, imposes on the slave a type of “social death” leaving him “wholly excommunicated from civic life,” not unlike livestock (the etymology for the word “chattel” is derived from the Latin word for both “capital” and “cattle”).

Davis quotes the Greek 6th-century reformer Solon, who explained his decision to abolish slavery: “All the common people,” Solon said, “are in debt to the rich.”

What Solon said in ancient times holds true today: All the common people are in debt to the rich, largely because they don’t have any money. Officially, one in ten Americans is out-of-work, but even that is the result of some accounting sleight-of-hand. If the unemployment rate were calculated with the methodology used in 1980, it would be 22 percent, or, about 3 percentage points less than at the peak of the Great Depression. And Americans lucky enough to have a job are working harder and producing more goods and services than ever, but nongovernmental employees have not had a pay raise, in real terms, since 1973.http://www.theroot.com/views/slavery-2010#_edn1

The main culprit is the vanishing labor movement. Research consistently shows that trade unions produce fatter paychecks, pensions and benefits packages for their members; most workers would join a labor union if they could. But Congress and the White House have failed to move on the Employee Free Choice Act, which, as originally written, would dramatically bolster private sector employee efforts to organize and bargain collectively. After losing 10 percent of its membership last year—the greatest decline in a quarter century—organized labor represents only one in 10 U.S. workers.

In Sweden, the ratio is eight in 10, and, as in most of Western Europe and the industrialized world, practically no worker—from low-wage clerks to well-off professionals—has to tolerate a decidedly un-democratic, mostly unregulated workplace that is the norm here. Labor laws in the United States do not mandate parental leave, sick time or even so much as a single day of vacation, and, recognizes as “at will” the vast majority of workers. Which means that they can be fired for practically any reason—say, for instance, failing to laugh at the boss’ jokes—save discrimination.

Following the collapse of Sweden’s real estate market in 1992, lawmakers in that country did not merely palm bankers’ bad gambits off on taxpayers. Rather, they extracted a pound of flesh from shareholders before effectively nationalizing the banks, because, quite simply, they understood that there would be consequences otherwise. When the ruling class in this country was faced with a similar choice more than 16 years later, they doled out taxpayer money to their cronies because they knew, conversely, that their constituents, isolated and unorganized, had little recourse.

Consider this: In 1946, the year before Congress overrode Truman’s veto of the Taft-Hartley Act sharply curbing labor union’s authority to organize and strike, (Truman called it a “slave-labor” bill) there were 5,000 work stoppages; In 2008, there were 15.

Absent a robust labor movement, ordinary Americans are increasingly alienated from the polity that governs them. Voters in 2006 and again in 2008 were clear that they wanted an end to war. The proxies they sent to Washington, D.C., gave us more war. For years, polls have indicated convincing majorities of Americans want a government-financed, Canadian or European-styled “single payer” health care system. Again, the political elite respond with a plan that will, if passed, only deepen the exploitation of working-class people by legally requiring them to buy lousy, overpriced, mostly unregulated insurance. Parents want better schools for their children and instead get an educational policy modeled on Wal-Mart, pruning labor costs and fattening corporations’ bottom lines. What’s more, argues educator and author Jonathan Kozol, our educational system now teaches children to obey rather than think.

And how has the Obama administration answered the majority of Americans who favor overturning “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell?”

Don’t ask.

With ordinary people—black, white, brown—reduced to peonage and largely irrelevant to their own governance, the body politic has become some feudal antique, with commoners paying tributes to the modern-day pharaohs. Wall Street bankers have rendered the economy dysfunctional by redirecting money to unproductive uses—namely their own pockets—and forcing workers to compensate for declining wages through more and more borrowing. Yet both Democrats and Republicans refuse to write down consumer debt, slash usurious interest rates on mortgages, credit cards, or student loans, freeze the rising costs of health care, energy or utilities, or provide any meaningful subsidies to public transit, job creation or health care.

Worse, there is an unmistakable “let them eat cake” quality to the public discourse. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama balked at providing substantive relief to homeowners who were swindled out of their homes for fear of inviting “moral hazard,” curiously, never raised when rewarding with taxpayer money the very banks who caused the financial meltdown. The administration considers inviolable Wall Street contracts calling for fat bonuses for bankers, while the auto industry’s contracts with its workers aren’t worth the paper they’re written on. New York Times columnist David Brooks urges the White House to hike taxes on the bottom 98 percent of income-earners, but calls to require Wall Street to pay even a modest tax on its transactions—similar to what most consumers pay on clothes, gasoline and food—are dismissed out of hand.

As ordinary Americans lose ground, we increasingly lose our liberty as well. The U.S. jails more of its citizens than any country in the world, and more, even, in absolute numbers, than China, with a population that is five times larger. The hoosegow is big business. Last year, two Pennsylvania judges plead guilty to taking kickbacks to send thousands of youths to a private, for-profit prison. State officials in Texas and Pennsylvania commit thousands more youths to mental hospitals—often against their will or that of their parents—as a result of protocols heavily influenced by multinational drug companies, which profit from the costly, untested psychotropic drugs that are administered to captive patients.

For many, the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision last month to undo modest restraints on corporations’ ability to buy elections merely consolidated the ruling class’ power. Perhaps the greatest marker of average Americans’ social death is that for all the blustery rhetoric of hope and change, with an African-American major party nominee, and war and recession looming, more than 80 million eligible voters—40 percent of the American electorate—did not even bother to go to the polls in the 2008 presidential election.

What difference does it make to a slave who runs the plantation?

http://www.theroot.com/views/slavery-2010

Main forum thread: http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?p=7801427
 
You can always renounce your citizenship and move to a ‘free’ country.

Man, you are deep in the BS.

Who says you have citizenship to renounce?
Who says you can move?
Who says a 'free' country exists when the US has...

the world's credit system under its control
the world's largest military & the largest nuclear arsenal
the United Nations/IMF/World Bank

Sometimes you can't run. You just have to stand and fight.

Are you one of those types that loves being a slave when the master has abundance? Let's see what happens when the master is struggling where he'll put you on his list.
 
Man, you are deep in the BS.

Who says you have citizenship to renounce?
Who says you can move?
Who says a 'free' country exists when the US has...

the world's credit system under its control
the world's largest military & the largest nuclear arsenal
the United Nations/IMF/World Bank

Sometimes you can't run. You just have to stand and fight.

Are you one of those types that loves being a slave when the master has abundance? Let's see what happens when the master is struggling where he'll put you on his list.

:lol: No, you're full of BS.

I've said it before, on the one hand you appear to be a rather intelligent individual, but on the other hand, its seems like you're just wasting the shit out of it -- or, you don't actually believe the bullshit you post.

Serious question: why have you not left ???

Understand, I'm not asking you to go anywhere, but I just don't understand why someone who finds everything wrong, chooses to remain. It just doesn't make sense that someone would choose to live in misery when he/she has the freedom to relieve themselves of their misery.

<font size="3">On the real: I think you're one of those gifted individuals who are somehow just compelled</font size> (whether through internal conflicts, boredom, frustration or inability to find what you believe is the right stage exude your brilliance) <font size="3">to take radical or opposite views, right or damn wrong, from those around you.</font size> :lol:

QueEx
 
Slavery 2010
Think you’re free? Take a close look at the choices you don’t have.
By Jon Jeter


“I freed a thousand slaves,” Harriet Tubman famously said. “I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.”

Now, what is the article really about ? ? ?

QueEx
 
:lol: No, you're full of BS.

I've said it before, on the one hand you appear to be a rather intelligent individual, but on the other hand, its seems like you're just wasting the shit out of it -- or, you don't actually believe the bullshit you post.

Flattery does not strengthen your point, which is that I'm wasting my life.

If only you were the one to make that determination, we could all just listen to you and life would be wonderful.

Serious question: why have you not left ???

Are you paying my way?

Understand, I'm not asking you to go anywhere, but I just don't understand why someone who finds everything wrong, chooses to remain. It just doesn't make sense that someone would choose to live in misery when he/she has the freedom to relieve themselves of their misery.

What is strange to me is that people who don't want to hear the truth, don't want to acknowledge the inevitability of their life choices, the futility of their resistance will seek to suppress knowledge and understanding rather than adapt to it.

<font size="3">On the real: I think you're one of those gifted individuals who are somehow just compelled</font size> (whether through internal conflicts, boredom, frustration or inability to find what you believe is the right stage exude your brilliance) <font size="3">to take radical or opposite views, right or damn wrong, from those around you.</font size> :lol:

QueEx

Did it ever occur to you that maybe it's the system that is fundamentally broken and all I'm doing is saying so.

You keep wanting to make this about me when it is about the system that people like you have allowed to exist.

If you are not white, YOU ARE A SLAVE. Always have been since the United States first began. I'm just willing to admit it.

To get any rights, freedoms, or privileges takes a constant fight against the whites.

You seem to think it's all easy and fun and without cost and whites will just hand it over to you.

You fight until you die. But, it sounds like you have already given up the fight.
 
I aint no slave anymore.

I was though just like most black people. I know where I came from, I celebrate the traditions of my forefathers and I know were I am going.

Most people in America are slaves in their mind; slaves to politics, to their jobs, to their bills or to their families.

If you still living a life of debt you a slave brother and that makes alot of us

When they brought us here to be slaves the first thing they did was make us forget everything we knew.....
 
Flattery does not strengthen your point, which is that I'm wasting my life.

If only you were the one to make that determination, we could all just listen to you and life would be wonderful.



Are you paying my way?



What is strange to me is that people who don't want to hear the truth, don't want to acknowledge the inevitability of their life choices, the futility of their resistance will seek to suppress knowledge and understanding rather than adapt to it.



Did it ever occur to you that maybe it's the system that is fundamentally broken and all I'm doing is saying so.

You keep wanting to make this about me when it is about the system that people like you have allowed to exist.

If you are not white, YOU ARE A SLAVE. Always have been since the United States first began. I'm just willing to admit it.

To get any rights, freedoms, or privileges takes a constant fight against the whites.

You seem to think it's all easy and fun and without cost and whites will just hand it over to you.

You fight until you die. But, it sounds like you have already given up the fight.

I usually end up ignoring a good majority of what QueEx has to say. Instead of actually engaging and turning the conversation into a healthy debate, he usually throws digs.
 
You are fed the line that not going to college is the reason you are poor, or receiving substandard wages.

You should make a decent living going to college or not.
 
I see the high unemployment, low share of the GDP, and my personal experience and wonder the same thing.

The counter argument is, look at so and so that is running this; you have to look at the big picture to see what is going on...

Don't be window dressed with progress...Hollywood can create movie sets to look like towns, you go behind them there is nothing.

:lol::lol::lol:
 
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Slavery 2010
Think you’re free? Take a close look at the choices you don’t have.
By Jon Jeter


“I freed a thousand slaves,” Harriet Tubman famously said. “I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.”

slavery_1.jpg

With a black man occupying the White House, and the nation grappling with a wrenching recession, and celebrating the contributions of African Americans to this nation’s history, this seems an opportune moment to reconsider Tubman’s challenge and ask ourselves: Are we slaves?

In his Pulitzer Prize-winning book, Inhuman Bondage: The Rise and Fall of Slavery In The New World, the historian David Brion Davis contends that ownership, historically, has not defined the relationship between master and slave. What defines the arrangement, he posits, is the vassal’s “perpetual condition of dishonor,” which provides the “master class with a resource for parasitic and psychological exploitation.” This, Davis argues, imposes on the slave a type of “social death” leaving him “wholly excommunicated from civic life,” not unlike livestock (the etymology for the word “chattel” is derived from the Latin word for both “capital” and “cattle”).

Davis quotes the Greek 6th-century reformer Solon, who explained his decision to abolish slavery: “All the common people,” Solon said, “are in debt to the rich.”

What Solon said in ancient times holds true today: All the common people are in debt to the rich, largely because they don’t have any money. Officially, one in ten Americans is out-of-work, but even that is the result of some accounting sleight-of-hand. If the unemployment rate were calculated with the methodology used in 1980, it would be 22 percent, or, about 3 percentage points less than at the peak of the Great Depression. And Americans lucky enough to have a job are working harder and producing more goods and services than ever, but nongovernmental employees have not had a pay raise, in real terms, since 1973.http://www.theroot.com/views/slavery-2010#_edn1

The main culprit is the vanishing labor movement. Research consistently shows that trade unions produce fatter paychecks, pensions and benefits packages for their members; most workers would join a labor union if they could. But Congress and the White House have failed to move on the Employee Free Choice Act, which, as originally written, would dramatically bolster private sector employee efforts to organize and bargain collectively. After losing 10 percent of its membership last year—the greatest decline in a quarter century—organized labor represents only one in 10 U.S. workers.

In Sweden, the ratio is eight in 10, and, as in most of Western Europe and the industrialized world, practically no worker—from low-wage clerks to well-off professionals—has to tolerate a decidedly un-democratic, mostly unregulated workplace that is the norm here. Labor laws in the United States do not mandate parental leave, sick time or even so much as a single day of vacation, and, recognizes as “at will” the vast majority of workers. Which means that they can be fired for practically any reason—say, for instance, failing to laugh at the boss’ jokes—save discrimination.

Following the collapse of Sweden’s real estate market in 1992, lawmakers in that country did not merely palm bankers’ bad gambits off on taxpayers. Rather, they extracted a pound of flesh from shareholders before effectively nationalizing the banks, because, quite simply, they understood that there would be consequences otherwise. When the ruling class in this country was faced with a similar choice more than 16 years later, they doled out taxpayer money to their cronies because they knew, conversely, that their constituents, isolated and unorganized, had little recourse.

Consider this: In 1946, the year before Congress overrode Truman’s veto of the Taft-Hartley Act sharply curbing labor union’s authority to organize and strike, (Truman called it a “slave-labor” bill) there were 5,000 work stoppages; In 2008, there were 15.

Absent a robust labor movement, ordinary Americans are increasingly alienated from the polity that governs them. Voters in 2006 and again in 2008 were clear that they wanted an end to war. The proxies they sent to Washington, D.C., gave us more war. For years, polls have indicated convincing majorities of Americans want a government-financed, Canadian or European-styled “single payer” health care system. Again, the political elite respond with a plan that will, if passed, only deepen the exploitation of working-class people by legally requiring them to buy lousy, overpriced, mostly unregulated insurance. Parents want better schools for their children and instead get an educational policy modeled on Wal-Mart, pruning labor costs and fattening corporations’ bottom lines. What’s more, argues educator and author Jonathan Kozol, our educational system now teaches children to obey rather than think.

And how has the Obama administration answered the majority of Americans who favor overturning “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell?”

Don’t ask.

With ordinary people—black, white, brown—reduced to peonage and largely irrelevant to their own governance, the body politic has become some feudal antique, with commoners paying tributes to the modern-day pharaohs. Wall Street bankers have rendered the economy dysfunctional by redirecting money to unproductive uses—namely their own pockets—and forcing workers to compensate for declining wages through more and more borrowing. Yet both Democrats and Republicans refuse to write down consumer debt, slash usurious interest rates on mortgages, credit cards, or student loans, freeze the rising costs of health care, energy or utilities, or provide any meaningful subsidies to public transit, job creation or health care.

Worse, there is an unmistakable “let them eat cake” quality to the public discourse. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama balked at providing substantive relief to homeowners who were swindled out of their homes for fear of inviting “moral hazard,” curiously, never raised when rewarding with taxpayer money the very banks who caused the financial meltdown. The administration considers inviolable Wall Street contracts calling for fat bonuses for bankers, while the auto industry’s contracts with its workers aren’t worth the paper they’re written on. New York Times columnist David Brooks urges the White House to hike taxes on the bottom 98 percent of income-earners, but calls to require Wall Street to pay even a modest tax on its transactions—similar to what most consumers pay on clothes, gasoline and food—are dismissed out of hand.

As ordinary Americans lose ground, we increasingly lose our liberty as well. The U.S. jails more of its citizens than any country in the world, and more, even, in absolute numbers, than China, with a population that is five times larger. The hoosegow is big business. Last year, two Pennsylvania judges plead guilty to taking kickbacks to send thousands of youths to a private, for-profit prison. State officials in Texas and Pennsylvania commit thousands more youths to mental hospitals—often against their will or that of their parents—as a result of protocols heavily influenced by multinational drug companies, which profit from the costly, untested psychotropic drugs that are administered to captive patients.

For many, the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision last month to undo modest restraints on corporations’ ability to buy elections merely consolidated the ruling class’ power. Perhaps the greatest marker of average Americans’ social death is that for all the blustery rhetoric of hope and change, with an African-American major party nominee, and war and recession looming, more than 80 million eligible voters—40 percent of the American electorate—did not even bother to go to the polls in the 2008 presidential election.

What difference does it make to a slave who runs the plantation?

http://www.theroot.com/views/slavery-2010

Main forum thread: http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?p=7801427



You are.

Not me my man. I am free.
1-I have an education, so I don't need labor cartels... oops I mean Unions to drive up the price of labor that anyone could do (man, women, or child)
2-because of that education I am not scared of the big-bad government or big evil soul sucking corporation because I can think rationally for my self
3-I am not worried about corporations buying advertising space on t.v either cause I can always turn the t.v/radio off or log off facebook. (Why are folks trippin on that anyway? That Constitution clearly says that Congress shall make no law restricting speech? Unions spend all they want too, they openly admit they spent 10s of millions on Obama and other Democrats... I don't get the big deal)
4-I don't have my hand out begging the government to sustain me. Even if I go belly up and broke I would rather live free and die then compel another man to take care of me (if he wants to be charitable that's another story).
Nope you and alot of others are slaves... not me.
 
Man, I just read that article you posted...







What a bunch of Communist horse-shit. I would go through and point-by-point debunk, but its pointless (and I am trying to get back to some porn). You idiots just don't get it.
You know what let me give you the cliff notes
1) Single Payer health care
To get single payer health care, you must either limit services or pay top dollar for top health care for everyone! The latter is fucking impossible... ask the most Left-wing, Kensian, Eco-Commi It can't happen. So you have to limit service. That neccesarily means health care rashining. You can't get around it. If that is how you want to live, pick your ass up and go to Canada (They could use some more population). Say high to the premier on your way up there by the way, you might catch him as he comes back, he was here to get some quality health care.
2) Labor Union drive up the cost of labor to employers. That is fine, I have no particular afinity for labor unions, but they drive business and jobs out of wherever they are. I know 3 months guaranteed vacation, $30/hr, Plus 2 80 minute breaks for a janitor sounds like a sweet gig (I know Janitors in Unions that make that... if they every go on strike I will scab like a motherfucker for half that... I mean anybody can be a janitor), but their is a reason corporations hire illegals. Im just saying... P.S most european countries have roughly %8-%20 unemployment. We were just at full employment (between %3-%5) about 4 years ago before the Communist I mean the Dems got into power. Im just sayin...
4) the U.S jails alot of its citizens because alot of its citizens were raised without their fathers and they act like fucking fools thinking they can do just anything and get away with it. If we even our jail population to just about what China does, there will be a whole lot of raping and pillaging going on. What is wrong with private prisons? Oh I know, they don't pay state Labor Union wages thus saving the states money. Everybody complains about fiscal irresponsibilty but when somebody final does something...

You guys will never get it though. Oh well, Now back to making obscene amounts of money because of my own hard work and initiative instead of waiting for a fucking handout. Also porn.
 
Man, I just read that article you posted...

What a bunch of Communist horse-shit. I would go through and point-by-point debunk, but its pointless (and I am trying to get back to some porn). You idiots just don't get it.
You know what let me give you the cliff notes
1) Single Payer health care
To get single payer health care, you must either limit services or pay top dollar for top health care for everyone! The latter is fucking impossible... ask the most Left-wing, Kensian, Eco-Commi It can't happen. So you have to limit service. That neccesarily means health care rashining. You can't get around it. If that is how you want to live, pick your ass up and go to Canada (They could use some more population). Say high to the premier on your way up there by the way, you might catch him as he comes back, he was here to get some quality health care.
2) Labor Union drive up the cost of labor to employers. That is fine, I have no particular afinity for labor unions, but they drive business and jobs out of wherever they are. I know 3 months guaranteed vacation, $30/hr, Plus 2 80 minute breaks for a janitor sounds like a sweet gig (I know Janitors in Unions that make that... if they every go on strike I will scab like a motherfucker for half that... I mean anybody can be a janitor), but their is a reason corporations hire illegals. Im just saying... P.S most european countries have roughly %8-%20 unemployment. We were just at full employment (between %3-%5) about 4 years ago before the Communist I mean the Dems got into power. Im just sayin...
4) the U.S jails alot of its citizens because alot of its citizens were raised without their fathers and they act like fucking fools thinking they can do just anything and get away with it. If we even our jail population to just about what China does, there will be a whole lot of raping and pillaging going on. What is wrong with private prisons? Oh I know, they don't pay state Labor Union wages thus saving the states money. Everybody complains about fiscal irresponsibilty but when somebody final does something...

You guys will never get it though. Oh well, Now back to making obscene amounts of money because of my own hard work and initiative instead of waiting for a fucking handout. Also porn.

Hardwork and initiative?

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea3.txt

65% of the total labor force works to provide everything we need in this economy (58% is probably the actual). With automation and consolidation (internet, robots, merger, longevity of goods) that percentage will shrink further. This process improved our standard of living, but eventually it will decrease it .

You will need less people to produce goods and services. We are already at 17% unemployment, not including people taking shitty part-time jobs with MBA to survive. Pure capitalism relys on labor/wages to distribute wealth, demonstrating its potentional weakness in the future. Wealth will start to concentrate more; wage growth will stagnate and eventually decline.

Getting a check from the government might be the only way to survive in the future.

Putting the blame on you because you didn't waste six year in school shouldn't cut it anymore for not getting decent wages.
 
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Getting a check from the government might be the only way to survive in the future.

When government gets too big, it collapses.

Look at the Romans all the way to the Russians (soviets).

Until then, all you can do is try to keep the gubmit out of your business as best you can (today, less government = more freedom).

But, then again, black people only have the appearance of freedom because BIG government has effectively enslaved many whites.

Only a massively dominant BIG government can produce a Barack Obama.

So, when the government does collapse, black people will be completely exposed to whites. I suppose you can hope that when the United States falls, the concept of white falls too.

Otherwise, it'll be back to the plantations and serfdom for black people.
 
Nice post homie,

most folks are psychological slaves and dont even know it..

if you dont think you are, then see if you can survive without electricity for a month..

try just not watching tv for a week.... or surfin cyberspace

some can do it, most will struggle.

you are only free psychologically when you stop becoming mechanical and repetitive in your daily actions. manipulating all your habits.

that includes all races of pawns.

if you aint worth fifty million... you aint a player and if you aint a player...

guess what piece of the chess board you izzz

even though the impoverished sunblessed get the rough end of the stick, we are all in this chaos soup getting played by the parasitic elite.

some just remain at the bottom of the pot feeling the heat more.

white supremecy is a main ingredient in the chaos and its the chaos that prevents ALL the citizens from taking out the parasitic elite.
 
When government gets too big, it collapses.

Look at the Romans all the way to the Russians (soviets).

Until then, all you can do is try to keep the gubmit out of your business as best you can (today, less government = more freedom).

But, then again, black people only have the appearance of freedom because BIG government has effectively enslaved many whites.

Only a massively dominant BIG government can produce a Barack Obama.

So, when the government does collapse, black people will be completely exposed to whites. I suppose you can hope that when the United States falls, the concept of white falls too.

Otherwise, it'll be back to the plantations and serfdom for black people.

Communism or big government isn't the reason the Romans or USSR collapsed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Soviet_Union_(1985–1991)

Military spending and Wars (paying people to march around or build space weapons instead of growing food)
 
We're not slaves, no one can legally force us to do anything we don't want to do, 1/2 of Americans don't even pay taxes. But our choices are decided by the establishment so people who can't think outside the box are more robot, drone, than slave.
 
Communism or big government isn't the reason the Romans or USSR collapsed.

Military spending and Wars (paying people to march around or build space weapons instead of growing food)

What else is big government other than wars and military spending?

We're not slaves, no one can legally force us to do anything we don't want to do, 1/2 of Americans don't even pay taxes. But our choices are decided by the establishment so people who can't think outside the box are more robot, drone, than slave.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

--George Washington
 
This is true but the 13th amendment abolished slavery.

If slavery was abolished, why are there child slaves? or, sex slaves? or, sweatshops? or, wage slaves? or, debt slaves? Slavery is a voluntary agreement (whether known or implied) between the slave and the master.

Slavery will always exist and the Federal government cannot abolish it and knows this. The reason the slaves were released in the South was because of government force.

Slavery will always exist as long as you have the knowledgeable and the ignorant, the powerful and the weak, the exploiters and the desperate, the con man and the mark.

Staying out of slavery is an everyday fight.
 
If slavery was abolished, why are there child slaves? or, sex slaves? or, sweatshops? or, wage slaves? or, debt slaves? Slavery is a voluntary agreement (whether known or implied) between the slave and the master.

Slavery will always exist and the Federal government cannot abolish it and knows this. The reason the slaves were released in the South was because of government force.

Slavery will always exist as long as you have the knowledgeable and the ignorant, the powerful and the weak, the exploiters and the desperate, the con man and the mark.

Staying out of slavery is an everyday fight.

If you define slave

slave - definition of slave by the Free Online Dictionary ...One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household. 2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence

The pratice is illegal here even though there are people in different types of bondage "We" are not slaves. The wage, debt, sweatshop and sex slaves can walk away from their situation and be protected by the law in America.
 
If you define slave

I define slavery as a pattern of "FORCE" by recognized authorities to compel you into transactions, without any alternative available from those authorities.

The pratice is illegal here even though there are people in different types of bondage "We" are not slaves. The wage, debt, sweatshop and sex slaves can walk away from their situation and be protected by the law in America.

State-compelled car insurance is slavery.
Dollars are slavery.
The IRS is slavery.
Drafts are slavery.

It seems you believe slaves are ONLY plantation workers in the pre-Civil War South.
 
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I define slavery as a pattern of "FORCE" by recognized authorities to compel you into transactions, without any alternative available from those authorities.

State-compelled car insurance is slavery.
Dollars are slavery.
The IRS is slavery.
Drafts are slavery.

It seems you believe slaves are ONLY plantation workers in the pre-Civil War South.


ro·bot (rbt, -bt)
n.
1. A mechanical device that sometimes resembles a human and is capable of performing a variety of often complex human tasks on command or by being programmed in advance.


Your definition sounds more like robot than a slave but in this context it's a person who conforms without question to authority.
 
Your definition sounds more like robot than a slave but in this context it's a person who conforms without question to authority.

That's interesting.

So slaves are like robots. It made me wonder why didn't the slaves in the South kill the whites the first change they got.

It was because they were programmed not to do so. What is programming? I consider it breaking the spirit, brainwashing, or indoctrination.

That is done through the school system, the media, the colleges, religion, and entertainment.

Most people are programmed to be a slave, a robot and to not act in their own best interest or to question the authorities.

Once you question the authorities and their system, the other slaves (robots) will fight you, to keep you in line, to get with the program.

A few whites get to be the authorities. Everyone else is a slave or robot. Once you break your programming, your potential is unleashed and the sky is the limit.

Yes, I think that is a very interesting idea.
 
We can make decisions, no one will tie us to a tree and beat the skin off our backs if we don't buy insurance or use dollars. But our choices are shrinking as business and govt become bigger and more intrusive, limiting our options. If we don't stop them we will lose our freedom. Oppression won't be forced on us as it is with slaves it will be because of our own neglect. We better start resisting, thinking and creating for ourselves or else.
 
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free"

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 
The government can provide healthcare, build roads, mass transit, provide child care, provide pensions, free college education, unemployment.

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We are paying all these taxes, going into massive debt and getting crap back compared to other countries. Just missle systems, and playing world cop by spending trillions. Europe GDP is more but they spend half of much on the military. I don't mind big government, just a big government providing useable services to improve the quality of your life.
 
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The best slavery system is one in which you don't know you are a slave.
 
Now, what is the article really about ? ? ?

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The article is about the "common man" or the masses having little to no control over his/their own affairs. Specifically the idea of living under the control of a "master class with a resource for parasitic and psychological exploitation."

I think it is an interesting thesis and I'm going to check out the book on which the article was based at some point. The article, IMO, does not at all make the case that the masses are "wholly excommunicated from civic life," which it defines as a part of the criteria of what makes one a slave.

Honestly, I don't know if the argument is intelligent or inane. The financial system certainly appears rigged-- a declining labor union movement in conjunction with a surge in outsourced jobs in favor of cheap labor in other countries, a predatory "justice" system, lacking healthcare as a leading cause of bankruptcy, unemployment and underemployment for at least a quarter of society while CEOs make more than FIVE HUNDRED TIMES the salary of the average worker-- using 2004 numbers.

The article calls attention to a basic unfairness and inequity... Yet, a part of me finds the article offensive and worthy of ridicule. Poor people in this country are fat. Yes, that is due to fatty foods being cheaper than healthy foods and, in a way, yet another outward sign of inequity; however, the imagery is a striking departure from that conjured up when thinking of slavery in the context of American history. Still, I had to edit the above paragraph referencing "a surge in outsourced jobs in favor of cheap labor" not to say slave labor because that is what it is. It seems inappropriate to attach the label of "slave" to a situation so clearly superior to what most of the world experiences year in and year out.

I commented in the thread on the main board, when a few people expressed similar sentiments (that the comparison is insulting to our ancestors or historical American slaves), that approaching this subject from that perspective does not redefine slavery to only apply to the experiences of "a Black man/woman in the 1700s," as one man narrowed the definition down to. I understand there have been different forms of slavery throughout human history. However, just looking at the world today, I feel a bit ridiculous comparing Americans to slaves when we seem more analogous to CEOs when compared to the real downtrodden of this world.

It seems a matter of degrees to me... Are we not slaves simply because others are sucked drier by an exploitative master class?

I am extremely hesitant to group myself in with teabaggers who would claim slavery because they have to pay taxes at all, regardless of whether or not the live in a house with maids and a cook and two cars that will tell them how to go anywhere they want to go (if they don't have a driver as well). That is absolutely insane to me and I would hate to be so trivial. Again, it seems to come down to degrees.
 
read what some of the founders of this nation believed about freedom and you'll have your answer
 
:eek:UNFORTUNATELY, UNTIL SOME CHOOSE TO WAKE UP FROM THEIR SLUMBER, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE FORCE FED MENTALLY. BE THAT, IT BE THROUGH CHASING SYMBOLISM THROUGH STANDARDS SET BY THE STATUS QUO. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU SPEND YOUR EFFORTS TO BUY WHAT YOU DESIRE.

LET'S SAY FOR DISCUSSION A PAIR OF JORDAN'S, SHOULD'NT THAT ITEM HAVE YOUR NAME ON IT INSTEAD? THEN THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CUSTOMED ITEM? THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. YET, WE ALLOW SOCIETY DICTATE WHAT TO SAY, HOW TO ACT, AND FOR SOME HOW THINK. HENCE YOU HAVE A SLAVE MENTALITY, ALSO PEOPLE TEND TO ALLOW HOW A SITUATION DICTATE IT'S OWN OUTCOME INSTEAD OF DICTATING THE OUTCOME ENTIRELY. DOES'NT THAT SCREAM SLAVE TOO YOU.

UNTIL PEOPLE DECIDE TOO FOLLOW THERE OWN COURSE, THEN YOU HAVE NO OPPION, OR RIGHT TO COMPLAIN WHAT COMES YOUR WAY.









 
Harriet Tubman On The Twenty Dollar Bill? The Problem With Symbolism As Progress

Just as Harriet could not free those who did not realize they were slaves, it seems we still have a long way to go to convince many of our own that just having an income, a degree, or using other communities economic ecosystem does not mean you have entered the world of economic freedom. The trip along Harriet’s underground railroad required a sacrifice by individuals and families. It was not a comfortable journey, but it was a real journey toward the start of freedom. We are poorer today than when Harriet died over 100 years ago, an institutional economic ecosystem of our own that is going extinct, but her face on the twenty dollar bill has to be a sign of our freedom, equality, and progress, right? I wonder if Harriet’s revolver still works.
http://hbcumoney.com/2015/05/25/har...lem-with-symbolism-as-progress/#comment-20044
 
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