Are historically black colleges good for blacks?

[Tazirai]

There seems to be a false premise here that HBCU's are not competitive or are sub-standard?

Extremely false. The reason I didnt attend any HBCU's is because the degree program I wanted wasn't available. I wanted to study Architecture, and there arent many Colleges in general, that teach above a 2 year in it.

 

[WildCard]

Yeah, didn't Clark get their accreditation yanked over the school's admin mishandling state and federal funds?

No - Your thinking of Morris Brown... although word around these parts is that Clark may be having similar issues - not with money - but with students...
Currently at Morehouse we are in our final week of the semester - currently finishing finals. All the other schools in the AUC normally are on the same schedule (Clark and Spelman) but Clark has extended their semester because the overall grades are extremely low... so they are giving their students extra time to get their grades up for the semesters end...

 

[PointyHeadPimp]

I went to an HBCU, and now I go to a predominately white grad school. Not much of difference that I notice other than social life. All this self hate is sickening.

 

[ifuno]

bottom of the what? My HBCU degree has taken me around the world. And I wasn't a GI neither.

I heard so many convoluted thoughts concerning HBCUs when I was getting ready to go to college. The thing that killed me is that years later a lot of the students who went to more prestigious institutions ended up having the same jobs than a lot of us who went to HBCUs. Sometimes we ended up in better positions.

It all depends on the student.

I've worked with some Ivy League educated individuals who did not know anything. I mean....I was surprised to see how....I mean they were book smart but they didn't know that in order to survive in the workforce it's a combo of book smarts, common sense, and effort.

Who am I to judge though....

 

[bham_brotha]

fuckin right! HBCUs suck! most of them niggas got "A Different World" & "Drumline" fantasies. i went to Prairie View for a year, got fed up with tha BS and transfered to UH. they are like the last dinosaurs from a time in the past. they have no place. the original post said that HBCUs make it better for blacks to learn advanced sciences. dont that mean the shit aint as hard. no offense to anyone who graduated from them. but can you honestly say that you worked harder for that shit than a black person at a white school? i dont know bout morehouse. but back in texas a degree from PV, or TSU is a fuckin joke. u dont believe me look at how research grants go to HBCUs as opposed to "white" schools.

University Of Miami B.S. Biology/Chemistry '01

I hate to bust your bubble but a degree from Miami isn't the most prestigious thing either. And as far as the dumbass question about whether I worked as hard as a person as a white school...I would say I worked HARDER. Those large schools with 20,000+ students don't give a damn about anything but getting your ass up out of there. Now do YOU think you learn more in a small classroom setting or an auditorium style class with 200+ people?

 

[DaleMabry]

Right. He went from a lower-rung HBCU (no offense) to a lower-rung state school in FL.

What, you figured you could do four years in Miami and go be Drew Rosenhaus' intern when you were done, right? Hang out with the pros and bring them their Red Bull sir, yes sir?

You would have been better off attending FAMU, dumbass.

Fuck outta here.

Bragging on a damn Miami degree like it's Stanford or Penn or Princeton or some shit.

Niggas swear the white man's ice is colder and sugar is sweeter.

 

[Temujin]

I attended an HBCU undergrad and a major white college for law school.

The main problems I see with HBCU today are students and faculty.

1. Students and the social culture of black university causes way to much partying and bullshitting. Students are not focused and do not look to give back to the university by making it better themselves. Unfortunatly many students don't realize that once you graduate you have a vested interest in the reputation of the university.

2. Faculty - Bottom line is the best professors normally go to where they can make the most money and most of the time that's white schools. If more top notch black professors went to HBCU's the level of education would go up also.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

I'm not even going to address all of the ill-informed HBCU hatred. Believe what you wish but, as with ALL schools, you have some HBCUs that are good and some that are poor. As someone said, Howard University is a fine institution. Bowie State? Not so much. Yet, even if you're attending a poorer performing school you can still emerge smelling fresh as a rose.

If you've got your head on straight (i.e. you're focused and have both academic and vocational goals) you can go almost anywhere for undergrad. The graduate program from which you get your degree is what matters most. The strong student focuses on two things: academic program rank and grad school preparation (if you couldn't figure it out, I highly encourage brothers and sisters to get that extra degree). Even if you're at a "bad" school you can earn a high GPA and make it happen.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

I attended an HBCU undergrad and a major white college for law school.

The main problems I see with HBCU today are students and faculty.

1. Students and the social culture of black university causes way to much partying and bullshitting. Students are not focused and do not look to give back to the university by making it better themselves. Unfortunatly many students don't realize that once you graduate you have a vested interest in the reputation of the university.

2. Faculty - Bottom line is the best professors normally go to where they can make the most money and most of the time that's white schools. If more top notch black professors went to HBCU's the level of education would go up also.

Peace,

I don't really agree with you.

Regarding your first point, the "social culture" of black institutions - partying and bullshitting - is one that is, apparently, shared by white collegiates. This occurs at almost all institutions, particularly state schools. In that regard, black schools aren't much different than the majority of white schools. Also, most white students don't "give back to the university by making it better themselves" either. Alumni giving usually only occurs in significant numbers at top-tiered institutions.

Regarding your second point, while it's true that accomplished profs usually chase the money, it is also true that many of these profs, burdened as they are with publishing requirements and serving their careers, don't give a damn about the student body.

 

[cardi310]

fuckin right! HBCUs suck! most of them niggas got "A Different World" & "Drumline" fantasies. i went to Prairie View for a year, got fed up with tha BS and transfered to UH. they are like the last dinosaurs from a time in the past. they have no place. the original post said that HBCUs make it better for blacks to learn advanced sciences. dont that mean the shit aint as hard. no offense to anyone who graduated from them. but can you honestly say that you worked harder for that shit than a black person at a white school? i dont know bout morehouse. but back in texas a degree from PV, or TSU is a fuckin joke. u dont believe me look at how research grants go to HBCUs as opposed to "white" schools.

University Of Miami B.S. Biology/Chemistry '01

The way you are talking it makes it seem like you thing white people are better?! Whatttzzz uppp thaatttt!!!!! The funniest thing about blacks that go to white schools is when they get there all they hang around with are black folks. And there best teachers happen to be black. The people who look out for them in time of need also happen to be black. You said "they have no place". First of all it is a place for higher learning anyone can go there black, white, whoever. All educational establishments are needed. The only thing that HBCUs are doing that others aren't, is black folks teaching other black folks. And you are saying that HBCU are not needed??!! YOU NEED TO CHECK THAT ALARM CLOCK AND WAKE UP MY BROTHER!!!!
HU Awarded $58.9 Million Software Grant from UGS for Architecture and Engineering Programs

NASA CONFIRMS HU’S $101M AIM SATELLITE FLIGHT MISSION

HU RECEIVES $5.3 MILLION FOR TWO GRANTS FROM THE NSF

These are some of the science awards Hampton recieved in the last five years.

Hampton University B.S. Chemistry

 

[DaleMabry]

Peace,

I don't really agree with you.

Regarding your first point, the "social culture" of black institutions - partying and bullshitting - is one that is, apparently, shared by white collegiates. This occurs at almost all institutions, particularly state schools. In that regard, black schools aren't much different than the majority of white schools. Also, most white students don't "give back to the university by making it better themselves" either. Alumni giving usually only occurs in significant numbers at top-tiered institutions.

Regarding your second point, while it's true that accomplished profs usually chase the money, it is also true that many of these profs, burdened as they are with publishing requirements and serving their careers, don't give a damn about the student body.

Right. Who gives a fuck if you are taking some top prof's class (assuming you even get in) if you are in a classroom of 200 people and his Graduate Assistant is teaching you 80% of the time?

I went to an HBCU and I had some magnificent professors who chose teaching as their mission (uplifting black youth) as opposed to publishing a whole bunch and gaining fame.

SO glad I did. Grad school at a major top 20 white institution was a comparative cakewalk in many ways to my studies at an HBCU.

 

[kissmyazz]

better than no education at all.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Here I am with an A in this EASY ass class and i pass every homework assignment, test and quiz (with the exception of the final exam...i had four other classes which were far more important than this one..and i wasnt doing to well in them before finals) Anyway I ended up receiving a fuckin D for my semester grade in this particular class!! FUCK THAT. This fuckin teacher doesn't use percentage like most professors..he uses points by accumulation. How the fuck do you go from an A to a damn D? I've failed MANY finals throughout these few years and STILL received a grade of no lower than a C. By looking at that, it makes you think that I slacked off or some shit...(i just found out about this shit a few hours ago, so its still fresh..) I already sent his ass an email about this little problem...hopefully he made a mistake..if he didnt, then i gotta take that bitch again bcuz its 2wards my fuckin major (he's also the only one who teaches it)..and if thatz the case then im fuckin transferring...going back home. That fucks up everything...i had plans to do something next semester dammit, now i cant bcuz my GPA will undoubtedly drop.(been droppin every year...3.5 to a 2.7 now..if it drops any lower than that )

I go to Prairie View...i been here for 3 years and I'm tired of this fuckin school. The atmosphere is GREAT,(being in the band makes it worthwhile) but the system is fucked up. From financial aid all the way down to the way these professors grade..they should have one universal way of grading..fuckin school.

Peace,

So you're doing poorly in school and you blame "the system"? No disrespect but there are plenty of people who manage to get good grades at PV. If you're not doing well, you need to change your game plan. It's not the school's fault.

 

[tre2k4]

The way you are talking it makes it seem like you thing white people are better?! Whatttzzz uppp thaatttt!!!!! The funniest thing about blacks that go to white schools is when they get there all they hang around with are black folks. And there best teachers happen to be black. The people who look out for them in time of need also happen to be black. You said "they have no place". First of all it is a place for higher learning anyone can go there black, white, whoever. All educational establishments are needed. The only thing that HBCUs are doing that others aren't, is black folks teaching other black folks. And you are saying that HBCU are not needed??!! YOU NEED TO CHECK THAT ALARM CLOCK AND WAKE UP MY BROTHER!!!!
HU Awarded $58.9 Million Software Grant from UGS for Architecture and Engineering Programs

NASA CONFIRMS HU’S $101M AIM SATELLITE FLIGHT MISSION

HU RECEIVES $5.3 MILLION FOR TWO GRANTS FROM THE NSF

These are some of the science awards Hampton recieved in the last five years.

Hampton University B.S. Chemistry

 

[JohnnyCage]

I attend Savannah State, and I feel that the only reason people call HBCUs a joke is due to the fact, they give everyone a chance. And in Life you can help out a Homeless man,but if he does not want to be help he can take advantage of you and make you look bad.

Basicly, in HBCUs by Junior year, all of the jokes and clowns are weeded out, but HBCUs give a chance to these people that may be looked down on to actually change their views on life in general. Unlike if June Bug from the Block went to UGA, and wasn't taken care of mentally, just thrown in the fire.

HBCUs give a person a chance, its up to the person to take advantage of the chance. There are times when I look to my self and say WTF am I doing here because alot of my peers are jokes, or maybe I am to business minded, and then there are times where I felt this is a good decision. My only problem is the City of Savannah is wack as shit, me being from Atlanta. If the AUC was public I'd be there as we speak, but I`ll be damned if worry my self to death on how Im going to pay for school. I am considering going to GA State though, but Campus life wise there is not much closeness and such like at SSU, which can be a good thing and bad.

 

[XXXplosive]

@ the op. Your post screams race bait

Went to Hampton, did my thing there which led to me getting into Columbia for grad school and did well there amidst all manner of isms. I make a decent living and hope to start a business soon. I would say that my HBCU did its job well and was a significant part of my growth from slacker to success.

No offense, but I've never understood this
If HBCU's are so great, why do you go to one for undergrad but then go to a "white school" for grad studies?
Why not go to an HBCU for grad school as well?
Most of them have grad schools, right?

 

[Benjamin Check]

Shaw is a queer prison camp


Anyway, if you went to an HBCU and just partied, chased pussy, or joined a frat solely to raise your social status, you were sorely misguided. Your priority should be to receive the best education you can, and the instructors are willing to give you that if you are willing to receive it and work hard. I've seen both sides of the fence going to both a black school for undergrad and a white school for grad, and I can safely say that if the black schools were receiving the same kinds of endowments and kickbacks that the white schools receive, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Hampton's endowment is less than 300 million dollars whereas Columbia's is damn near 6 or 7 billion. If Hampton had that kind of cheese, I guarantee that the food would be better, the dorms up to date, each dept. would have its own building, the athletic facilities would be more extensive, long lines for financial aid would be all but eliminated, and there would be less restriction on everything because they could cover their asses more effectively. Money would make the machine run smoother. Mismanagement of funds has never been an issue because Harvey is a fucking businessman; often cold hearted as far as student concerns, but frugal nonetheless.

You must be on crack, cause harvey owns the pepsi dist, gourmet services, the HARBORS, the burgerking the whole shopping center is HARVEYS, not hampton. Personally. He is bilking hampton out of millions, including salary, and conracts to himself, approved by himslf. Your room and board money? 65% of it goes into harveys pockets. Why is the rent so high for the harbors, but you get nothing but a walk to school as your convenience? come on bruh, my great uncle used to be president of hampton before harvey, ollie bowman, none of that shit was at hampton until harvey brought it and saw a HUGE business opportunity to make himself millions.

 

[outlaw]

70 grand a year, work 3 days a week, 2 years out of college, im happy!! FAMU 05, NICCA!!

what do you do?

I'd also like to know
bc a fireman can get the same w/out college

 

[DJ GROOVE]

Graduated from Barber-Scotia College in 98. Tried my damnest to transfer to UNCC and JCSU but they would transfer my credits. They kept tell me and my family that i owe money(which i didnt) so i stayed all fuckin four years! Now the Scotia is down to less than 100 students and they lost their accrediation. Too many Presidents and others stealing money from the school! They couldnt even pay their bills! The dorms are shut down due to plenty of infractions from the city of Concord NC. Its very sad!

Hell, when I place Barber-Scotia on any application, it becomes a conversation with any interviewer. They want to know if it's still opened and whats going on with it......

On the bright side, Nick Mackey who graduated from Scotia in '66 just became Mecklenburg County first African American sheriff as of last night(December 6, 2007)

 

[m10_v]

No offense, but I've never understood this
If HBCU's are so great, why do you go to one for undergrad but then go to a "white school" for grad studies?
Why not go to an HBCU for grad school as well?
Most of them have grad schools, right?

People go to DIFFERENT grad schools than undergrad all the time. In grad school you go to which institution has the BEST program you want to SPECIALIZE in.

I went to an HBCU, Tennessee State University for undergrad. Now if I wanted to get a Masters in engineering, education, or one of the allied sciences I would have went as they have some of the best programs for those in the state. They do not however have a law school which is where my interests are so I had no choice but to apply at a white institution and at HBCUs with law schools such as Howard.

But trust me had TSU had a law school I would not have thought twice about applying.

Additionally maybe the individual is looking for a change of scenery. I for one wouldn't mind moving to another city for grad/law school so why wouldn't I apply to a program in a city I feel like moving to be there an HBCU there or not?

 

[XXXplosive]

People go to DIFFERENT grad schools than undergrad all the time. In grad school you go to which institution has the BEST program you want to SPECIALIZE in.

I went to an HBCU, Tennessee State University for undergrad. Now if I wanted to get a Masters in engineering, education, or one of the allied sciences I would have went as they have some of the best programs for those in the state. They do not however have a law school which is where my interests are so I had no choice but to apply at a white institution and at HBCUs with law schools such as Howard.

But trust me had TSU had a law school I would not have thought twice about applying.

Additionally maybe the individual is looking for a change of scenery. I for one wouldn't mind moving to another city for grad/law school so why wouldn't I apply to a program in a city I feel like moving to be there an HBCU there or not?

I didn't question going to the same school for both undergrad and graduate studies
I questioned not going to another HBCU for graduate studies
There are over 100 HBCU's right?
Between all those schools there has to be something for everyone to study
So why couldn't someone go to (for example) NC Central for undergrad and then NC A&T for grad studies
A&T does have a very reputable engineering school
It almost sounds like many are secretly thinking to themselves (without publicly admitting) that HBCU's are inferior, so they go to a white school for graduate studies

 

[Temujin]

Peace,

I don't really agree with you.

Regarding your first point, the "social culture" of black institutions - partying and bullshitting - is one that is, apparently, shared by white collegiates. This occurs at almost all institutions, particularly state schools. In that regard, black schools aren't much different than the majority of white schools. Also, most white students don't "give back to the university by making it better themselves" either. Alumni giving usually only occurs in significant numbers at top-tiered institutions.

Regarding your second point, while it's true that accomplished profs usually chase the money, it is also true that many of these profs, burdened as they are with publishing requirements and serving their careers, don't give a damn about the student body.

I'm sorry but the social culture is very different. Black schools party and say fuck class. White people party to get better grades in class. Not to mention the level of student involvement in class is abysmal. We have to realize that today most top black students do not go to HBCU they go to Ivy league universities. This has a ripple effect on the quality of education for all students.

And regarding giving back to the university. Black students and alumnis use to really care about their universities and do public service to give back. I don't see that same commitment today and it is part of the reason the academic quality suffers. Just to give an example Dartmouth is in the process of doing a 2 billion dollar fundraiser that's right 2 billion for one year just so they can provide grants for every student whose family income is less then 50k.

Now don't get me wrong I loved my experience at the HBCU I learned a whole lot however I will acknowledge as a Student I didn't do all I could and honestly I wasn't surrounded by the best and brightest. Not to mention the professors were quite frankly ass. Some were great but the majority were sad.

Instead of arguing about the pros and cons of HBCU we should look at how we as a community can improve the system. I feel the HBCU system is critical to the improvement of black issues in America. Surrounding education economic development and politics.

 

[DaleMabry]

No offense, but I've never understood this
If HBCU's are so great, why do you go to one for undergrad but then go to a "white school" for grad studies?
Why not go to an HBCU for grad school as well?
Most of them have grad schools, right?

Wrong. No offense XXXp, but a lot of yall are just throwing some bullshit statements against the wall just to see what sticks, which I find irresponsible.

Dunno why so many assumptions are being made about HBCUs, esp so many negative ones.

 

[XXXplosive]

Wrong. No offense XXXp, but a lot of yall are just throwing some bullshit statements against the wall just to see what sticks, which I find irresponsible.

Dunno why so many assumptions are being made about HBCUs, esp so many negative ones.

What exactly was I wrong about?
And what "bullshit statement" did I make?

 

[m10_v]

I didn't question going to the same school for both undergrad and graduate studies
I questioned not going to another HBCU for graduate studies
There are over 100 HBCU's right?
Between all those schools there has to be something for everyone to study
So why couldn't someone go to (for example) NC Central for undergrad and then NC A&T for grad studies
A&T does have a very reputable engineering school
It almost sounds like many are secretly thinking to themselves (without publicly admitting) that HBCU's are inferior, so they go to a white school for graduate studies

A chick I messed with when I was in undergrad went to TWI for grad school and then came to TSU for grad school. Its probably not the rule but it does happen. You clearly ignored my statement that your primary focus in seeking a grad school is finding the best program in your major of choice. If anyone regardless of their undergrad schooling wanted to major in Ag Science or Ag business they should get their butt to TSU ASAP because it has one of the two of the best programs in the nation. If you wanted to go into journalism you'd better get you ass to Mizzou, Northwestern, or Columbia. It depends on your major. Their is no admission of superiority subconscious or otherwise

 

[XXXplosive]

A chick I messed with when I was in undergrad went to TWI for grad school and then came to TSU for grad school. Its probably not the rule but it does happen. You clearly ignored my statement that your primary focus in seeking a grad school is finding the best program in your major of choice. If anyone regardless of their undergrad schooling wanted to major in Ag Science or Ag business they should get their butt to TSU ASAP because it has one of the two of the best programs in the nation. If you wanted to go into journalism you'd better get you ass to Mizzou, Northwestern, or Columbia. It depends on your major. Their is no admission of superiority subconscious or otherwise

So using your example, there are NO HBCU's that have good journalism programs?
Is that the case with other programs of study as well?
Could that be why people choose other schools over HBCU's?

 

[Rawness]

I didn't question going to the same school for both undergrad and graduate studies
I questioned not going to another HBCU for graduate studies
There are over 100 HBCU's right?
Between all those schools there has to be something for everyone to study
So why couldn't someone go to (for example) NC Central for undergrad and then NC A&T for grad studies
A&T does have a very reputable engineering school
It almost sounds like many are secretly thinking to themselves (without publicly admitting) that HBCU's are inferior, so they go to a white school for graduate studies

Speaking from my own experience, A&T is no MIT. Nor is it a GATech.

The only real drawback to HBCUs is the same drawback for all private: costs. If money is your driving factor, then by all means go to a state school. But otherwise, outside of the possibility that you have a chance to attend a really elite school (i.e. Harvard, MIT, Stanford, etc.) you are NOT doing yourself a disservice by going to a HBCU.

 

[ned pepper]

I hate to bust your bubble but a degree from Miami isn't the most prestigious thing either. And as far as the dumbass question about whether I worked as hard as a person as a white school...I would say I worked HARDER. Those large schools with 20,000+ students don't give a damn about anything but getting your ass up out of there. Now do YOU think you learn more in a small classroom setting or an auditorium style class with 200+ people?

you obviously must be thinkn of Miami University in OH or some other shit, because University of Miami "The U" a private university (did u know that), only has @10,000 students and the average class size is less than 25 people. the only classes that have a lot of students are the GENERAL requirement classes. where did you go to school at? was it in florida? fuck that was it in the south? University of Miami no. 52 overall in the country i learned plenty at the U. but i didnt have to deal with the trifling staff, fucked up financial aid, bad attitudes, substandard equipment until i went to a black school. but yet they want to act like they are really competitive! lol. not to mention how they cry racism when they get bad press or come close to being taken over or closed down.

how much money do you donate to the black school you graduated from? if the answer is no, thats another thing black school have trouble with. their alumni dont donate. i have donated back to the U, as have numerous other alumni.

u didnt really know what you were talkn bout did u, u were just yankn my chain. its cool. lol

 

[ned pepper]

Right. He went from a lower-rung HBCU (no offense) to a lower-rung state school in FL.

What, you figured you could do four years in Miami and go be Drew Rosenhaus' intern when you were done, right? Hang out with the pros and bring them their Red Bull sir, yes sir?

You would have been better off attending FAMU, dumbass.

Fuck outta here.

Bragging on a damn Miami degree like it's Stanford or Penn or Princeton or some shit.

Niggas swear the white man's ice is colder and sugar is sweeter.

no i wouldnt have been better off at FAMU, im not in the band! (i know imma catch flack over that!) miami is a private school dumbass! a nigga can type on a porn board but wont google a damn thing! you must have been in that lower-rung at your school regardless of whether it was a HBCU or not. i think as a people we self-segregate ourselves too damn much, have you ever been to the Student union or cafeteria and all the black folks sit together. i think that shit is sad as hell! are you a black nationalist? you sound like one, all ambition and no foresight!

The way you are talking it makes it seem like you thing white people are better?! Whatttzzz uppp thaatttt!!!!! The funniest thing about blacks that go to white schools is when they get there all they hang around with are black folks. And there best teachers happen to be black. The people who look out for them in time of need also happen to be black. You said "they have no place". First of all it is a place for higher learning anyone can go there black, white, whoever. All educational establishments are needed. The only thing that HBCUs are doing that others aren't, is black folks teaching other black folks. And you are saying that HBCU are not needed??!! YOU NEED TO CHECK THAT ALARM CLOCK AND WAKE UP MY BROTHER!!!!
HU Awarded $58.9 Million Software Grant from UGS for Architecture and Engineering Programs

NASA CONFIRMS HU’S $101M AIM SATELLITE FLIGHT MISSION

HU RECEIVES $5.3 MILLION FOR TWO GRANTS FROM THE NSF

These are some of the science awards Hampton recieved in the last five years.

Hampton University B.S. Chemistry

at least dude knows how to look up some shit on the internet. not like the first nigga i quoted.
there are black professors at non-HBCUs and they happen to be just as good as the other professors. my cousin went to hampton. these are my feelings not hers. and she would have the same feelings that you do.

you got that from the right website http://www.thefakelife.com/blog/uploaded_images/SchoolDaze-746368.jpg i always thought they called it school daze because they shouldnt have been there.

 

[m10_v]

So using your example, there are NO HBCU's that have good journalism programs?
Is that the case with other programs of study as well?
Could that be why people choose other schools over HBCU's?

Oh my goodness brother you are really stretching...

COLUMBIA, NORTHWESTERN, AND MIZZOU have the BEST JOURNALISM PROGRAMS in the ENTIRE U.S. HBCU or otherwise.

But clearly, http://www.blackcollegewire.org/sports/070122_sports-journalism/ THERE are HBCUs with fine journalism programs.

You seem hell bent on misconstruing any statements made and twisting them to fit your own ideology.

YOU obviously think HBCUs are inferior for whatever reason so I see no point in trying to change your mind.

 

[XXXplosive]

Oh my goodness brother you are really stretching...

COLUMBIA, NORTHWESTERN, AND MIZZOU have the BEST JOURNALISM PROGRAMS in the ENTIRE U.S. HBCU or otherwise.

But clearly, http://www.blackcollegewire.org/sports/070122_sports-journalism/ THERE are HBCUs with fine journalism programs.

You seem hell bent on misconstruing any statements made and twisting them to fit your own ideology.

YOU obviously think HBCUs are inferior for whatever reason so I see no point in trying to change your mind.

Can we ever have a discussion like this without everyone from an HBCU getting upset, defensive and feeling like their intelligence is being insulted?
My mother went to an HBCU for undergrad AND for her Masters so I obviously know that people who go to HBCU's are NOT inferior
I'm just trying to understand the mentality of those that talk so great about black colleges and their experience there, but then go to a white school for graduate studies

 

[m10_v]

Can we ever have a discussion like this without everyone from an HBCU getting upset, defensive and feeling like their intelligence is being insulted?
My mother went to an HBCU for undergrad AND for her Masters so I obviously know that people who go to HBCU's are NOT inferior
I'm just trying to understand the mentality of those that talk so great about black colleges and their experience there, but then go to a white school for graduate studies

I'm not getting defensive at all despite your statements. But I do take exception to your condescending attempt at deflection. But putting that aside I'll attempt to answer you question since you offered an unsolicited mea culpa.

I believe that you think HB institutions are inferior, not the people who attended them per se.

I'll simply tell you those of us who graduated from HBCUs learned. An undergrad degree, with a few exceptions, is a degree.

If you take a recent grad in any major who went to Ohio State and just went to class never had an internships or co-ops against a Central State grad who did a one ever summer with a company in their field who do you would and deserves to get hired first?

The bottom line is in grad school you first go where you find the best program you want to major it. Sometime it will be an HBCU sometimes it won't. Next you go with who's paying you, which more often than not will be a white school.

I'm simply not understanding why you're having such a hard time understanding my statements.

 

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I'm not getting defensive at all despite your statements. But I do take exception to your condescending attempt at deflection. But putting that aside I'll attempt to answer you question since you offered an unsolicited mea culpa.

I believe that you think HB institutions are inferior, not the people who attended them per se.

I'll simply tell you those of us who graduated from HBCUs learned. An undergrad degree, with a few exceptions, is a degree.

If you take a recent grad in any major who went to Ohio State and just went to class never had an internships or co-ops against a Central State grad who did a one ever summer with a company in their field who do you would and deserves to get hired first?

The bottom line is in grad school you first go where you find the best program you want to major it. Sometime it will be an HBCU sometimes it won't. Next you go with who's paying you, which more often than not will be a white school.

I'm simply not understanding why you're having such a hard time understanding my statements.

LOL, now you're a mind reader?
If you read into my comments, I'm actually pushing FOR people to attend HBCU's for grad school
HBCU's can't survive for much longer if most people want to attend a white school after graduating
That's where research grants goes to, graduate programs not undergrad programs
And that's how schools either prosper or fail, by how good their graduate schools are
It's just that in my experience I see a lot of people go to black colleges for undergrad, then they go to a white school for graduate studies (which is more important, of course)
If an HBCU offers the same graduate program that is on the same level as a program offered at a white school, why do people choose to go to the white school instead?

 

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I'm sorry but the social culture is very different. Black schools party and say fuck class. 1.White people party to get better grades in class. 2.Not to mention the level of student involvement in class is abysmal. We have to realize that today most top black students do not go to HBCU they go to Ivy league universities. This has a ripple effect on the quality of education for all students.

And regarding giving back to the university. Black students and alumnis use to really care about their universities and do public service to give back. I don't see that same commitment today and it is part of the reason the academic quality suffers. Just to give an example 3.Dartmouth is in the process of doing a 2 billion dollar fundraiser that's right 2 billion for one year just so they can provide grants for every student whose family income is less then 50k.

Now don't get me wrong I loved my experience at the HBCU I learned a whole lot however I will acknowledge as a Student I didn't do all I could and honestly I wasn't surrounded by the best and brightest. Not to mention the professors were quite frankly ass. Some were great but the majority were sad.

Instead of arguing about the pros and cons of HBCU we should look at how we as a community can improve the system. I feel the HBCU system is critical to the improvement of black issues in America. Surrounding education economic development and politics.

Peace,

I agree with everything you've written with the exception of the bolded points.

1. I'm not exactly sure what this means.
2. Here again, you're singling out black students when MOST students of all races are reluctant to participate in class - in most schools.
3. Dartmouth is a heavily funded, Ivy League school. One can and should expect this level of financial commitment from a place this rich in history and resources.

Your last point is key, though, and I completely support your opinion about this.

 

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You can make a lot of money at HBCU's selling weed. The campus police either don't care or are your best customers.