Arab Press Asks Muslims - Unite Against

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Arab press asks Muslims
to unite against terrorists

"[calling] for a war against “Islamist Salafist ideas,” ... the
conservative school of Sunni Islam prevalent in Saudi
Arabia more commonly known as Wahhabism"

DUBAI, July 24, 2005

The world’s Muslims were urged on Sunday to unite against terrorists after the bombings in Egypt’s top tourist resort, roundly condemned in the Arab press as barbaric attacks that do nothing to serve their cause.

Most of the 88 people killed when bombers unleashed carnage in the popular Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh were Egyptian Muslims, with some nine foreigners reported among the dead.

“The deadly bomb blasts in Sharm el-Sheikh are another despicable act of faithless and cowardly people,” charged the English-language Jordan Times.

The attacks were claimed in an Internet statement by an Al Qaeda-linked group which said it was a response to “the global evil powers which are spilling the blood of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Chechnya.”

But Jordan’s independent newspaper Al Ghad said: “Killing innocent people in Sharm el-Sheikh will not contribute to the liberation of Palestine, and the killing of innocent Iraqis will not accelerate the American withdrawal.”

Sheikh Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, a Lebanese authority in Shia Islam, published a fatwa, saying: “We forbid barbaric acts against innocents who have nothing to do with the political demands of terrorists.”

“These are not martyr operations but barbaric suicide attacks and the culprits deserve only God’s punishment,” he said, urging the world’s Muslims to take a united stand against terrorism.

Egypt’s independent daily Al-Masri Al Yom called for a war against “Islamist Salafist ideas,” referring to the conservative school of Sunni Islam prevalent in Saudi Arabia more commonly known as Wahhabism.

“It is impossible to face down the globalisation of terrorism without eradicating the ideology on which it rests,” said a front-page editorial.

Under the provocative headline “Don’t wage war against terrorists”, the article argued that “the perpetrators of the heinous Sharm el-Sheikh bombings, just like all of us, are victims of the Salafi ideology.”

“We all deserve what happened in Sharm el-Sheikh because we remained silent when the Wahhabi school of thought started creeping into Egypt,” it said.

Thousands of Egyptians went to the Gulf during the oil boom years of the 1970s, many returning as wealthy citizens and with Saudi’s conservative way of thinking.

The Gulf press also denounced the attacks, which added to global terror fears after the strikes on London’s underground system and buses on July 7 that left 56 people dead including the bombers.

“This is terrorism and we are the victims. The murderer is one. He carries a black passport and a black ideology, and victims carry one nationality — peaceful innocent people who suddenly found themselves a fuel for evil plots,” Kuwait’s Al-Rai Al-Aam wrote.

The Al-Ittihad newspaper in the United Arab Emirates challenged those who sought to find excuses for such attacks.

“More than half of the victims were Egyptian Muslims, with some Arabs and very few foreigners, so who was specifically targeted and what issues are they (the bombers) defending?” the Abu Dhabi-based daily said.

“Religious institutions in the Islamic world should move swiftly to rebut the lies and dispel the darkness and ignorance that control the mentality of the culprits.”

The Saudi Gazette said the bombers were aiming to disrupt Egypt’s first contested presidential election in September and wreak havoc in the economy of the most populous country in the Arab world.

“The purpose of these terrorist attacks is fairly evident. Egypt is preparing to hold its first multi-candidate presidential elections in September,” the English-language daily said.

“Disrupting the Egyptian economy is obviously one way of fomenting unrest among those already on the financial margins,” it added.

Jordan’s independent Al-Arab Al-Yom said the attacks reflected a war pitting US President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair against top terrorist Osama bin Laden and his top Iraq front man Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

“It is a war between mad people and ghosts,” it said.—AFP


http://www.dawn.com/2005/07/25/int1.htm
 
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i think i may hav been a little impatient. sensible muslims always knew this wrong, but they are finally getting to the point where they are going to end this shit.

sorry guys, looks like america will eventually win. better luck next time.
 
The Muslim world has beefs with the U.S., but the bombings elsewhere, especially in London with its large Muslim population which has lived in "Relative" harmony with its host, may be the catalyst behind Muslims speaking out. Note the Italian Muslims thread.

QueEx
 
they can hate us all they want. we dont need them to like us, just eliminate the people in their own community who are willing to travel 10,000 miles to fly a plane into a building.
 
Yes, thats what we want -- but if the impetus is coming from countries and matters other than the U.S., it leaves that anger against the U.S. that could manifest itself in an attack. I agree that Muslims speaking out against the extremists is a good thing, and its what many have been calling for - for some time. As long as we are occupying Iraq, however, it may not mean a whole lot for us.

QueEx
 
i guess we'll see the long term effects of the iraq occupation on the "muslim street."

but i would say the response have been muted already. from what i read osama and his buddies supposedly thought america would invade a muslim country after 9-11 and that would inflame the street. well, 2 have been knocked down and i dont think the muslim world has reacted like he planned. muslims were pissed before 9-11 and they've been pissed after and its still the hardcore minority causing the problems. maybe the curve washington threw osama was america picked countries and leaders they knew moderate muslims wouldnt fight for, get mad over but not fight for. but i'm no expert.

i'm going to go out on a limb and say the majority will not turn to active extremism, and instead the muslim street will accomplish america's long term strategic goals of tackling the problem at it roots. not just speaking out. the long term looks good.
 
<font size="5"><center>Muslim scholars issue fatwa against terrorism</font size></center>


Friday, 29 July , 2005, 17:57

Washington: In an unprecedented move after the recent spate of bombings in the UK and Egypt, Muslim scholars in the US and Canada have issued a fatwa against terrorism, saying that Islam condemns terror, religious extremism and any violence against civilians, including suicide attacks.


"All acts of terrorism targeting civilians are haram (forbidden) in Islam," the fatwa or religious edict issued by the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) said.

The edict, signed by 18 Islamic scholars who serve on the FCNA, is endorsed by over 100 Muslim organisations, mosques and leaders.

"There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism," the fatwa said.

http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=13906480
 
<font size="5"><center>Terrorisim fatwa denounced as ‘bogus’</font size></center>

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: The fatwa against terrorism issued here on Thursday by the Fiqh Council of North America has been denounced as “bogus.”

According to Steven A Emerson, executive director of the Washington-based Investigative Project on Terrorism, the fatwa is “bogus” since it does not renounce nor even acknowledge the existence of an Islamic jihadist culture that has permeated mosques and young Muslims around the world. It does not renounce Jihad let alone admit that it has been used to justify Islamic terrorist acts. It does not condemn by name any Islamic group or leader. “In short, it is a fake fatwa designed merely to deceive the American public into believing that these groups are moderate,” he added.

He said the Fiqh Council and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), the two bodies behind the production of the fatwa, have been directly linked to and associated with Islamic terrorist groups and Islamic extremist organisations. One of them is an “unindicted co-conspirator” in a current terrorist case, another previous a financier to Al Qaeda. He quotes

Judea Pearl, father of murdered journalist Daniel Pearl, as maintaining that the fatwa is a “vacuous because it does not name the perpetrators of Islamic terrorist theologies and leaders of Islamic movements.”

Emerson said officials of both groups have been linked to various terrorist organisations:

The Chairman of the Fiqh Council, Taha Jaber Al-Alwani, is an unindicted co-conspirator in the case against Sami al-Arian, the alleged North American leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, whose trial began in June 2005 in Tampa, Florida. Alwani has been named in court documents as an official of several entities in northern Virginia suspected of being connected to terrorist financing. Documents released in the Al Arian trial show that Alwani funded the Islamic Jihad front groups in Tampa.

Another past trustee of the Fiqh Council, Abdurrahman Alamoudi, he pointed out, is serving a 23-year prison sentence for illegal financial dealings with Libya and immigration fraud, who has admitted to his part in a plot to assassinate the Saudi Crown Prince. In 1998, Fiqh Council member Sheikh Muhammad al-Hanooti, Emerson alleged, gave a speech calling for jihad against the United States and the United Kingdom, saying that “Allah will curse the Americans and British” and “Allah, the curse of Allah will become true on the infidel Jews and on the tyrannical Americans.” Additionally, Hanooti is strongly linked to Hamas,

Fiqh Council chairman Muzammil Siddiqui,, Emerson continued, told a rally in Washington on 28 October 2000, “ America has to learn - if you remain on the side of injustice, the wrath of God will come.” Emerson also attacked CAIR, charging that in the past four years,

several CAIR officials have been convicted of or charged with various terrorism-related offenses.

CAIR, he added, had also championed and defended officials of Islamic terrorist groups as well as attacked the prosecutions of Islamic terrorists arrested and/or convicted since 9-11. It had and attacked the government’s freezing of Islamic terrorist fronts as part of a “war against Islam” by the United States .

Emerson alleged that another signatory, the Muslim American Society, is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States, whose publications have repeatedly supported suicide bombings.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-7-2005_pg7_16
 
Muslim leadership has to be more strong and more real and Unite against the real demon.....AMERICA.....all of this is practice for NY and LA. Clerics let's be real and lets Fight against our enemies..enough said
 
Irrational32 said:
Muslim leadership has to be more strong and more real and Unite against the real demon.....AMERICA.....all of this is practice for NY and LA. Clerics let's be real and lets Fight against our enemies..enough said

What bullshit, most arabs are facing oppresion from their own people and have never seen an American in their life, you need to wake up from your revolutionary dream of arabs fighting for blacks, they DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU. Slavery was legal in the middle east in the 1920s, brothers are so niave it kills me.
 
QueEx said:
<font size="5"><center>Muslim scholars issue fatwa against terrorism</font size></center>


Friday, 29 July , 2005, 17:57

Washington: In an unprecedented move after the recent spate of bombings in the UK and Egypt, Muslim scholars in the US and Canada have issued a fatwa against terrorism, saying that Islam condemns terror, religious extremism and any violence against civilians, including suicide attacks.


"All acts of terrorism targeting civilians are haram (forbidden) in Islam," the fatwa or religious edict issued by the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) said.

The edict, signed by 18 Islamic scholars who serve on the FCNA, is endorsed by over 100 Muslim organisations, mosques and leaders.

"There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism," the fatwa said.

http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=13906480
anyone ever wonder why farrakhan is never a part of these things?

not so much him speaking out against extremism, but doesnt the arab muslim associations give a shit about what he thinks too? actually, i shouldnt even categorize it as arab muslim. its really every one but farrakhan.
 
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I don't think Muslims want to be governed by fundamentalists any more than Christians do. I AM suprised it took so long for the moderates to speak out officially, but in smaller circles, the extremists have always been spoken against. It probably is true that the recent attacks in areas where Arabs and Muslims have not been as magrinalized as they have in the U.S. triggered this reponse (we have some fairly ignorant extremists of our own fanning the flames of the hatred).

To be honest, I shouldn't even call them moderates, probably best to just call them REAL followers of Islam.
 
<font size="5"><center>Syria's grand mufti: Differentiate between
Islam and terrorism, Christianity and the West</font size></center>


Regional-Syria, Religion, 8/12/2005

Syria's grand Mufti called Thursday for differentiating between Islam and terrorism as well as between Christianity and the west.

During a meeting with Chairman of the Churches Council in the Middle East, Giorgios Ibrahim, Mufti Ahmed Hassoun underlined the council's role in deepening fraternity and mercy among peoples.

He warned against "the cultural invasion by some media, particularly through the internet, to defame both Islam and Christianity."

For his part, Ibrahim expressed readiness to show to the whole world the distinguished and rightful relations that connect Islam and Christianity, stressing the necessity of enhancing amity between both young generations of both religions.

He hailed the distinguished ties of Islamic - Christian fraternity, particularly in Syria, "which are honestly expressing the real ties connecting Islam and Christianity across history."

Earlier, Orthodoxy Syriac club in the central city of Homs held Wednesday a session titled "Moslems and Christians Together in Facing Challenges" in which Ibrahim called for fraternity and equality between Moslems and Christians all over the world.

He underlined the significance of starting a serious religious dialogue between the two religions, who are connected by a unified joint history, in order to face challenges that are threatening both of them.

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/050812/2005081210.html
 
<font size="5"><center>In Jordan, thousands aim fury at Al-Qaida</font size></center>

<font size="4"><center>Protestors send a clear message:
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By PAUL GARWOOD
Associated Press

AMMAN, JORDAN - Sameeh Khreis has spent years demanding justice and more rights for jailed Islamic extremists. But on Thursday, he joined thousands who took to the streets across Jordan to condemn the militants behind Amman's triple hotel bombings that killed 59 people.

"This is disgusting. We will never tolerate such terrorism," Khreis said, marching with 2,000 others in Jordan's capital.

"Burn in hell, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi!" they shouted, denouncing the Jordanian-born leader of al-Qaida in Iraq. Al-Zarqawi's group claimed responsibility for the blasts but later, confronted with mounting protests, took the rare step of trying to justify the attacks on Arab civilians.

Honking vehicles, decorated with Jordanian flags and posters of King Abdullah II, cruised Amman's streets until late in the night. At the bombed Grand Hyatt Hotel, about 50 people, including Jordanian children holding tiny flags, placed candles on a makeshift sand memorial in the driveway.

Officials suspected Iraqi involvement in the attacks. Security forces snared a group of Iraqis for questioning and officials said one of the bombers spoke Iraqi-accented Arabic before he exploded his suicide belt in the Hyatt.

King Abdullah, a strong U.S. ally, vowed in a nationally televised address to "pursue those criminals and those behind them, and we will get to them wherever they are."

Two Americans were killed and four wounded in the bombings Wednesday evening at the Hyatt, the Radisson SAS and the Days Inn, State Department spokesman Noel Clay said. Two of the wounded were hospitalized.

One of those killed was identified by her mother as Rima Akkad Monla, a 34-year-old American woman living in Beirut who had traveled to Amman for a wedding. Her father, Moustapha Akkad, 72, a movie producer from Los Angeles, was in critical condition after he suffered a heart attack as a result of the explosion, Patricia Akkad, his ex-wife, said.

Significantly, the victims also included some two dozen Palestinians with roots in the West Bank. Among them was the West Bank's intelligence chief, Maj. Gen. Bashir Nafeh; a diplomat; and a prominent banker.

Many Jordanians and Palestinians have supported the Iraqi insurgency, but the hotel bombings could tip Arab sentiment against al-Zarqawi.

Al-Qaida in Iraq, which appears to be expanding its operations , said the bombings put the United States on notice that the "backyard camp for the Crusader army is now in the range of fire of the holy warriors."

But later Thursday, in an apparent response to the protests, al-Zarqawi's group took the rare step of trying "to explain for Muslims part of the reason the holy warriors targeted these dens."

"Let all know that we have struck only after becoming confident that they are centers for launching war on Islam and supporting the Crusaders' presence in Iraq and the Arab peninsula and the presence of the Jews on the land of Palestine," the group said in an Internet statement that could not immediately be verified as authentic.

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani condemned the Amman attacks and said they put Jordan on notice against harboring militants.

"Unfortunately there are still some groups in Jordan supporting terrorist criminals, describing them as the resistance, and they are deceived by their claims," Talabani said in Rome.

Two daughters of ousted leader Saddam Hussein now live in Jordan, as do many other formerly powerful Iraqis.

"I hope that these attacks will wake up the 'Jordanian street' to end their sympathy with Saddam's remnants ... who exploit the freedom in this country to have a safe shelter to plot their criminal acts against Iraqis," Iraqi government spokesman Laith Kubba said.

President Bush said the attackers defiled Islam, and the United States would help bring those responsible to justice.

"The killings should remind all of us that there is an enemy in this world that is willing to kill innocent people, willing to bomb a wedding celebration in order to advance their cause," Bush said during a meeting with Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh.

A senior Jordanian security official linked the bombings to Iraq, saying that authorities have detained several Iraqis.

Al-Zarqawi is believed to have trained at least 100 Iraqi suicide bombers as a special martyrdom corps to continue his group's war inside Iraq and possibly elsewhere in the Middle East.

While Jordanian security authorities have extensive networks tracking local militants, keeping tabs on Iraqis is believed to be much harder, particularly because nearly 1 million Iraqis have taken refuge in the country of 5.4 million.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3453796
 
lmao the democratic republics of jordan and egypt with their free press?

this shit is a joke - i dont think most people in the world period want violence or trouble or to see people dying elsewhere muslims budhists etc

Is this the feeling of Iranians? they arent wahhabis either

sectarian animosity among muslims is nothing new
every year shiites in pakistan are bombed by sunnis

any declarations from non-us allied muslims or muslim nations?
 
The whole point of terrorism is to get moderates to speakout that way you can identify who's who. The question is what side will the masses support, since the bigwigs of the terrorist movement have not been turned in it seems they enjoy popular support. Moderates will have to walk the walk that means sharing wealth and power I for one don't think they are ready to make that kind of comittment just yet.
 
<font size="5"><center>Some Palestinians have second thoughts
about indiscriminate suicide killings after 27
West Bank Palestinians died in al Qaeda’s
triple hotel bombings in Amman</font size></center>


November 11, 2005, 6:49 PM (GMT+02:00)

The Palestinian Authority declared three days mourning. In the northern West Bank village, Silet al-Daher, the Akhran clan mourned 17 relatives who attended a family wedding – the first time Palestinians themselves have been targets of a suicide attack. Two PA officials, Maj.-Gen Bashir Nafeh and Abed A-Lon also lost their lives in the Grand Hyatt.

Palestinian newspaper commentator Hani al-Masri wrote: “I expect now a significant change in the Palestinian political culture. Fore sure the attacks will persuade Palestinians to reconsider this way of suicide bombings and I think it will reduce support for attacks that kill without differentiation between children, women, wedding parties and ordinary people.”

PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas said the perpetrators “are not Arabs, are not human.” He sent condolences to King Abdallah and the Jordanian people and ordered flags lowered to half-staff.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=1197
 
oh please, all they will do is say muslims shoud not kill other muslims indiscriminately.

i'm sure they'll stay consistent and think busloads of little jewish girls still deserve to be outright targeted.
 
FIVE YEARS LATER Salafi Islam


<font size="5"><center>For Conservative Muslims,
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<font size="4">9/11 Put Strict Adherents on the Defensive</font size></center>


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The Institute of Islamic and Arabic Sciences was a key part of a Saudi
campaign to spread Wahhabi Islam, but now only holds Friday prayers,
with sermons that are "nothing controversial," one man said.


Washington Post
By Caryle Murphy
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 5, 2006; Page A01

Twelve girls sat in rows at the front of the community room in Silver Spring's Muslim Community Center, calming their nerves with giggles and girl talk. In their sweaty hands, they held prepared speeches. On their heads, they wore scarves in a rainbow of colors: pink, brown, gold, white and lavender.

The seventh- and eighth-graders were competing in a debate on this question: Is a segregated, all-Islamic upbringing key to protecting your Muslim identity?

Eight of the dozen argued yes, using variants of the theme offered by Fatimah Waseem. Young Muslims "join with the non-Muslims, copy them and look up to them. This is hurting our identity. . . . Sometimes, we turn way from Islam," she said. "In conclusion, . . . we cannot sway in the wind and become weak. We need to be protected . . . by segregation."

" Takbeer! " shouted some in the audience of proud, clapping parents as each girl concluded her case. "Let us praise God!"

Like Fatimah, most of the debaters attend Al-Huda School in College Park. It is run by Dar-us-Salaam, one of the Washington area's most conservative Muslim congregations. Many of its members believe that, in order to be true to their faith, they should live apart from secular society as much as possible. The congregation's Web site describes how it hopes one day to become a self-contained Islamic community.

The kind of Islam practiced at Dar-us-Salaam, known as Salafism, once had a significant foothold among area Muslims, in large part because of an aggressive missionary effort by the government of Saudi Arabia. Salafism and its strict Saudi version, known as Wahhabism, struck a chord with many Muslim immigrants who took a dim view of the United States' sexually saturated pop culture and who were ambivalent about participating in a secular political system. It was also attractive to young Muslims searching for a more "authentic" Islam than what their Westernized immigrant parents offered.

But the discovery that 15 of the 19 Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers were Saudi and that their violent al-Qaeda ideology was rooted in Wahhabism had a particularly deep impact on Salafis, whose theology and practices were suddenly suspect.

The attacks "shook the foundations of anyone affiliated with Wahhabism or Salafism," said Chris Khalil Moore, 31, of Annandale, a convert who became immersed in Wahhabism while studying in Saudi Arabia before abandoning that approach to Islam. "Because they were fingered, pointed at, as being the ideology that helped foster the mentality of those hijackers," he said, "I think a lot of people got scared."

One of the area's most prominent Salafi preachers, Ali al-Timimi, is in prison, convicted on charges that he incited young Muslims to wage war against the United States. Dar al-Arqam Islamic Center in Falls Church, where he preached, is now closed. The Saudi government's proselytizing campaign has also been rolled up. Its preachers were sent home, and a Saudi-run institute in Fairfax that taught a strict Salafi outlook no longer has any students.

Moderate Muslims have become more vocal in warning about the dangers of separatism and fundamentalism while policing rhetoric that could be construed as radical or extremist. In particular, they increasingly take exception to the sharp divide between Muslims and non-Muslims drawn by some Salafis, saying it can encourage intolerance and violence.

The sense of beleaguerment among many Muslims in the Washington area is particularly strong among Salafis. "In the past, people would say, 'I'm Salafi.' Now, I never encounter people who say that," District resident and Muslim activist Svend White said. "It's a combination of fear, anxiety and a real change in the community."


Seeking 'Pure' Islam
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Taken broadly, practicing Salafism means imitating the ways the prophet Muhammad and his companions in the 7th century practiced their faith, from their clothing to the spiritual principles that guided them. Salafism also stresses a return to fundamentals in pursuit of "pure" or "authentic" Islam.

Wahhabism is an ultra-conservative brand of Salafism that emerged in Saudi Arabia. Its strictest adherents read Islamic scriptures literally, reject centuries of Islamic legal scholarship as unnecessary "innovation" and regard many Western values as un-Islamic. They also regard Jews, Christians and non-Wahhabi Muslims as "unbelievers" who should be avoided.

"Salafis are the fundamentalists of the Muslim world," said Ihsan Bagby, a professor of Islamic studies at the University of Kentucky. "Just as Christian fundamentalists are focused on who's going to heaven and hell, who's the true believer and who's the nonbeliever," Salafis "are really focused on belief. . . . For the most part, they are apolitical."

Polling by Bagby found that about 8 percent of worshipers at U.S. mosques favor a Salafi approach. But although Salafi Muslims are more isolated now, some scholars say their approach to Islam could become more appealing in response to increasingly negative views of Muslims among Americans and vitriolic Islam-bashing on the Internet.

"Salafi teachings begin to be more attractive to more Muslims as a defensive response," said Peter Mandaville, an assistant professor in George Mason University's Public and International Affairs Department. "In the face of this new global war on Islam, they are saying, we will hold fast and emphasize anew the fundamental tenets of our faith."

Safi Khan, Dar-us-Salaam's imam, declined requests to discuss the mosque or his theological beliefs, and Minhaj Hasan, a spokesman for the mosque, said its officials had decided not to talk to Washington Post reporters.

But other Salafis have tried to allay fears that their brand of Islam fosters extremism.

Salafi Society D.C., a group of mostly African American Muslims who worship in an unadorned white brick building in Northeast Washington, has a prominent disclaimer on its Web site stating that "we are free from . . . car bombings, highjackings [sic], suicide killings, and all forms of terrorism."

Nihad Awad, executive director of the D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, said Salafis increasingly are prepared to participate in the U.S. political system instead of shunning it. "I have been invited [by Muslims] to talk about election strategy, whereas I would not have been invited before," he said.

Yasir Qadhi, a lecturer with AlMaghrib Institute, an Islamic educational organization founded by a former prayer leader at Dar-us-Salaam, cited his own experience as an example of how Salafism has adapted in the United States.

Qadhi, who was born in Houston and graduated from Saudi Arabia's Islamic University of Medina, is getting his doctorate in Islamic studies at Yale University -- a sign, he said, of how second-generation Muslims are adapting. "It's unprecedented that a Salafi is doing a graduate degree at an Ivy League school," said Qadhi, 31. "Our forebears would see that as anathema."

In the past, Qadhi said, Salafis debated whether Muslims should even live in the United States. "For me, that question is so utterly ridiculous," he said. "Where do you want us to go?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/04/AR2006090401107.html
 
<font size="4">For Conservative Muslims, Goal of Isolation a Challenge
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The Saudi Campaign
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Nabil Samman's urgent voice filled the prayer rooms -- one for men, one for women -- at the Institute of Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America on a recent Friday afternoon. The white-bearded, Jerusalem-born prayer leader was giving a khutba , or sermon, about the perils of not properly supervising Muslim girls.

Parents should be concerned if "girls start wearing makeup or waiting after school," he said. "Girls who have secret affairs hide things from their parents."

The midday prayer service over, scores of Muslim men poured out of the sprawling two-story brick building opposite a sandlot on Hilltop Road in Fairfax. Heading for their cars, they passed a bearded youth hawking materials about Islam at a folding table. Grabbing a handful of DVDs, he yelled, "Take one and share it with a non-Muslim!"

As khutbas go, Samman's was fairly typical, a man identifying himself only as Ahmed stressed to a visitor. "Now," he said, "the sermon here is no politics, nothing controversial, only talk about good morals, good behavior. We don't associate ourselves with any sect or any group."

These days, the institute is open only for Friday prayers, which draw as many as 800 worshipers. But from the time it opened in 1989 as a satellite campus of a Saudi religious university in the capital Riyadh until it was closed in January, it was a key element in the Saudi campaign to spread Wahhabi Islam, an effort intended to counter radical Shiite Islam coming out of the 1979 Iranian revolution.

The Saudi Embassy's Islamic Affairs Department, which at its peak in the late 1980s had an annual budget of $8 million and 35 to 40 staff members -- many of them with diplomatic visas -- ran the campaign. Across the country, they built mosques, distributed Korans and brought in foreign imams to lead congregations.

For many years, the Saudis distributed a widely used English edition of the Koran with commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. But in the late 1990s, they began giving out a new edition called "The Noble Koran," with commentary that reflected the Wahhabi outlook of two scholars at the University of Medina.

Many local Muslims were particularly embarrassed by commentary that disparaged Jews and Christians even though neither group is mentioned in the original Arabic. "The outcry was so great. . . . People were disgusted," said Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad, head of Bethesda's Minaret of Freedom Institute, an Islamic think tank. "And it wasn't just liberals. I couldn't find an American Muslim who had anything good to say about that edition. I would call it a Wahhabi Koran."

The institute in Fairfax was a way for the Saudis to tap the talents of the brightest Muslims in the United States. Its free Arabic classes were a boon for new converts. And those who did well academically were offered full scholarships to study at Saudi universities.

Most of the institute's faculty were Saudi-born or Saudi-trained religious scholars who had a conservative Salafi or Wahhabi perspective. Sheikh Abdel Aziz Fawzan, who taught Islamic law, drew a theological lesson from the 2004 South Asia tsunami that was similar to the one evangelical Christian Jerry Falwell initially drew from the Sept. 11 attacks. The tsunami, Fawzan declared, was God's punishment for allowing resorts where "especially at Christmas, fornication and sexual perversion of all kinds are rampant."

When the U.S. government took a harder look at Saudi activity here after Sept. 11, the Fairfax institute was targeted. Sixteen faculty members were asked to leave the country in December 2003 when the State Department revoked the diplomatic visas of more than 20 Saudis involved in religious outreach.

The revocations were part of an effort to curb what U.S. officials considered intolerant religious rhetoric and ensure that all embassy staffers were engaged in legitimate diplomatic activities, U.S. and Saudi officials said at the time. A senior Saudi official added then that his government intended to "shut down the Islamic affairs section in every embassy."

In mid-2004, federal agents raided the institute, confiscating computers and documents. But no one closely associated with the facility has ever been charged with a terrorism-related crime.

In a recent interview in his elegant wood-paneled embassy office, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Turki al-Faisal, said his government had suspended its missionary activities in this country. "We are in a very intense review of all of the past activities that were undertaken," he said. "And we haven't yet reached any specific plan for where we're going for the future."

Part of that review involves examining religious material "that could in any form, way or shape be interpreted as bigoted or extreme or offensive, not just to non-Muslims, but even some Muslims," he said. The embassy, he added, distributes only Arabic editions of the Koran, with no commentary.

Turki rejected the idea that his country's proselytizing might have contributed to the 2001 attacks. The institute in Fairfax and its mother university in Riyadh "have graduated literally thousands of people over the years," he noted. "If they had been proselytizing for jihadist [ideas] as such, there would have been even more numbers from those thousands . . . who would have turned toward that inclination."


A Separate Community
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The utopian vision of an all-Islamic oasis within the United States' secular society has taken seed in College Park's Dar-us-Salaam congregation. Its one-story, red-brick building sits at the end of a narrow, tree-lined street of compact homes built in the early 1950s off Route 1, a few blocks from an IHOP and a Dunkin' Donuts.

A sign in a corner of the parking lot underscores its strict gender segregation.

"Sisters Only," it reads.

Inside is the congregation's prayer room -- divided by a tall barrier so men and women cannot see one another during worship -- and classrooms for Al-Huda School's 300 to 400 students in kindergarten through eighth grade. Here, too, is Muslim Link, a community newspaper published by Dar-us-Salaam.

The building houses a bookstore, grocery store and a tiny office that runs the mosque's religious outreach, a top priority for the congregation. Office shelves are stacked with giveaways: English translations of the Koran -- both "The Noble Koran" and Yusuf Ali editions -- as well as glossy color brochures with instructions on how to become a Muslim. "It is best not to hesitate," the brochures state, "if you are certain that you believe."

Dar-us-Salaam, whose Friday prayer services draw 500 to 700 worshipers, describes on its Web site its plan to create an Islamic enclave as a way to sustain its members' Muslim identity and spread Islam by example. Besides a mosque and school, "such an Islamic environment would include . . . businesses and shops for employment and basic needs, housing, medical and financial institutions."

This dream reflects the strict Salafi approach of Saudi-trained Safi Khan, Dar-us-Salaam's imam, who believes that Muslims in this country need close-knit communities to cope with pressures from law enforcement officials and a Western culture alien to Islamic values.

Khan's outlook is clear from his recorded lectures, which are sold online and appear to have been given in the past few years.

The U.S.-raised son of Pakistani immigrants, Khan invokes the certainty of hellfire for those who flout God's commandments, and he preaches that attaining a moral Islamic life in contemporary America requires shunning many commonplace things.

"For example, if you go home and watch TV every day . . . that's not going to help you get close to God," he says in one lecture. "If you go out to the game . . . or if you go to the movies often, if you love to go to parties, if you love music -- all these things are not going to bring you closer to Allah."

Also forbidden by Islam, Khan teaches, are "love letters, or chatting in the chat room without the presence of a guardian, . . . or writing e-mails that you know you have no business writing."

Young Muslims in particular must be aware of the dangers to their faith, Khan says, because youth "is the time when there are a lot of temptations . . . when all these Ivy League universities try to take you to brainwash you into the way they want you to grow up, the way they want you to think." It is the time "that all of America, all of the West, tries to concentrate on you . . . because once they control you, . . . then they have you, and for the rest of your life, you think like them."

Khan believes that Islamic schools are imperative because Muslim children "now are not equipped to deal with mainstream America without compromising their Islamic values." Usually, he says, "a big mixture happens between mainstream America and mainstream Islam, and . . . in most cases . . . Islam loses."

He stresses how Muslims are different from non-Muslims, whom he calls "unbelievers." Citing the mistreatment of Muslims, he says, "we must come together so we can ward off all these attacks." Khan adds that by an Islamic community, he means "we begin to buy houses and begin to live right around the [mosque] so we meet each other" during the five daily prayer sessions.

In the hostile environment cited by Khan, Dar-us-Salaam offers a comforting alternative. The congregation has a "real community feel, so a lot of young people are attracted," said Irfaan Nooruddin, 25, of Silver Spring, a financial analyst who is not a member but sometimes prays there. "I don't agree with their Salafi [outlook] at all. But I do respect the fact that they're people who are attempting to understand the religion."

Mostafiz Chowdhury said he chose Al-Huda, the congregation's school, because he wants to provide his children with an "Islamic upbringing" and protect them from public-school ills such as drugs and "having free sex."

Ultimately, if American Muslims continue to feel embattled, Salafism itself could become more attractive. When moderate Muslim groups that promote integration feel they are under scrutiny or discredited by the government, said Najam Haider, an adjunct professor of Islamic studies at Georgetown University, "Muslims turn societally inward, and that turning inward gives Salafism more influence because Salafis aren't saying we need to integrate."

What they offer, Haider added, is an alternative: "Muslim identity that is separate from America, grounded in Islamic history, a very demarcated community of Muslims. Those are very separate from American values in a lot of ways."

Staff writer Mary Beth Sheridan and news researcher Karl Evanzz contributed to this report.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/04/AR2006090401107.html
 
QueEx said:
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"Muslims do not hear loud condemnation when bigots like
Ann Coulter, Daniel Pipes, Franklin Graham, Michael Savage,
or Pat Robertson use venom to demonize Islam and Muslims,
incite the attacks against both Western and Eastern Muslims,
or openly call for violation of the basic human rights of all Muslims"</font size></center>


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Clutching straws here QueEx. These people talking shit on the radio here so far have not blown up any mosques, killed or wounded anything but maybe somebodies pride. Rightly or wrongly, people in this country are pissed about shit they see as evil at the hands of these terrorist that use some bastarized interpretation of the quran as their guide book. How do you expect those most vocal to be sweet in the face of murdering thugs?

-VG
 
I often post articles from different points of view and don't necessarily agree with them all. In this case, however, I do agree with the quote above from the Asia Times story.

Coulter, Robertson et al., may not have blown up any mosques, etc., but their far-right rhetoric is hardly helpful to winning hearts & minds or anything else. Often, it appears, their venom is aimed as much at Black people as anything else, especially Michael Savage. Now, I know most their shit might be cast as "entertainment" with little, if any, redeeming social value, but personally I think their brand of extremism represents one of the things wrong in this country. In fact, I think they cloud issues so much that they often turn Black people against many things they ought to be interested or join in. Oh, LOL, they left out Rush's demonic ass.

And, as you have probably surmised, I am pissed too at the evil hands of terrorists and the way they bastardize Islam. But two wrongs don't make it right. When Robertson co-opts and bastardizes Christianity for his narrow views and purposes I get just as pissed.

QueEx
 
#1-The KKK is a Christian Based Extremist Organization that is still terrorising Blacks on a DAILY BASIS, but NOOOOO They are NO THREAT AT ALL!

#2-Ask an African Slave about Arab Muslims...

#3-The worst part is...We Are All being Played!
Muslim against Muslim, Christian against Christian, Etc,etc...

#4-Blacks sympathize with EVERY OTHER So Called "minority" while the Only
love they have for US is if we JOIN them...Then You Are a Good NIGGA!

#5-Different Century Same TISH, Foriegn News Makes Headlines while African Kidnapees suffer as the WHITE MEN continue to commit SUICIDE MURDER against little girls in terroristic acts in schools across AmeriKKKa !

#6-Boy O Boy, Marcus Garvey, Noble Dru Ali, and All the Panthers are being punished, Even in Death!
 
QueEx said:
I often post articles from different points of view and don't necessarily agree with them all. In this case, however, I do agree with the quote above from the Asia Times story.

Coulter, Robertson et al., may not have blown up any mosques, etc., but their far-right rhetoric is hardly helpful to winning hearts & minds or anything else. Often, it appears, their venom is aimed as much at Black people as anything else, especially Michael Savage. Now, I know most their shit might be cast as "entertainment" with little, if any, redeeming social value, but personally I think their brand of extremism represents one of the things wrong in this country. In fact, I think they cloud issues so much that they often turn Black people against many things they ought to be interested or join in. Oh, LOL, they left out Rush's demonic ass.

And, as you have probably surmised, I am pissed too at the evil hands of terrorists and the way they bastardize Islam. But two wrongs don't make it right. When Robertson co-opts and bastardizes Christianity for his narrow views and purposes I get just as pissed.

QueEx


Coulter and michael savage spit some shit most america is scared to admit to feeling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Savage is a very angry and hateful muthafucka who really puts it out to white men that they are powerless and endangered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They cant understand anybody elses struggle when most live week to week.

Robertson is evil. The thing is alot of america agrees with them, this is what white people think and the average wont say.

Sad but true but they prove it at the voting polls time and time again.

If you want to hear what the average blue collar man thinks about anybody elses struggle, listen to savage.
 
kboogs said:
#1-The KKK is a Christian Based Extremist Organization that is still terrorising Blacks on a DAILY BASIS, but NOOOOO They are NO THREAT AT ALL!

#2-Ask an African Slave about Arab Muslims...

#3-The worst part is...We Are All being Played!
Muslim against Muslim, Christian against Christian, Etc,etc...

#4-Blacks sympathize with EVERY OTHER So Called "minority" while the Only
love they have for US is if we JOIN them...Then You Are a Good NIGGA!

#5-Different Century Same TISH, Foriegn News Makes Headlines while African Kidnapees suffer as the WHITE MEN continue to commit SUICIDE MURDER against little girls in terroristic acts in schools across AmeriKKKa !

#6-Boy O Boy, Marcus Garvey, Noble Dru Ali, and All the Panthers are being punished, Even in Death!

:hmm:

CO-SIGN...
 
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The Jihadist Revolt Against Bin Laden

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If you find the article above too long, here is a
shorter one that reviews and explains that article.



<font size="5"><center>How Muslim extremists
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BY PAUL CRUICKSHANK
New York Daily News
Sunday, June 8th 2008, 4:00 AM

New Yorkers last week were reminded yet again of the horrors of the 9/11 attacks, when their unrepentant mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was arraigned in Guantanamo Bay. But few are aware a tectonic shift has taken place beneath the headlines in the wider war on terrorism - one that could within a few years significantly lower the likelihood of terror returning to New York's streets.

This is because Al Qaeda has gotten itself into hot water with the one constituency that it cannot afford to alienate: its fellow jihadists.

Over the past year, a growing number of very consequential figures in the jihadist movement have publicly and vociferously repudiated Osama Bin Laden. And that is costing Al Qaeda the hearts and minds of many of those radical-leaning Muslims who might otherwise sympathize with the terrorists.

The reason: Al Qaeda has gone too far even for many jihadists to stomach. They are horrified by Al Qaeda's brutal campaign in Iraq, by the reality that most of Al Qaeda's victims around the world are Muslim and by the fact that the terror network has continued to target civilians for slaughter in the West.

The jihadist critics include Salman al Oudah, a Saudi cleric with a large international youth following, whose fiery anti-American audiotapes in the 1990s were a huge inspiration for Bin Laden and his circle; Sayyid Imam al Sharif, the Egyptian spiritual godfather of Al Qaeda; and Noman Benotman, a former leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. While mainstream Muslim leaders have long criticized Al Qaeda, these critics have the jihadist credentials to make their criticisms bite.

The mutiny has been brewing for a while now. Many leading figures in the jihadist movement like Benotman were skeptical of Bin Laden's anti-American jihad even early on, concerned that violence against innocent Americans would be counterproductive. Benotman himself traveled to Afghanistan in 2000 to personally plead with Bin Laden to stop his operations against the United States, but fatefully made no headway.

Since then, Al Qaeda - which views dissenting Muslims as apostates worthy of death - has been a victim of its own "success." Instead of trying to win over Iraq's population, Al Qaeda went on a killing spree that alarmed even fellow insurgents.

"Anyone who criticizes them or goes against them and demonstrates their error in such actions they try to kill," complained the leaders of the Islamic Army of Iraq in April 2007. By the end of the year, most Iraqi Sunnis had turned on Al Qaeda.

Iraq is only one front in a global backlash. Recent polls show that Al Qaeda has hemorrhaged support in places where its terrorist campaign has reached people's doorsteps. By one measure, pro-Al Qaeda sentiment is now down to 10% in Saudi Arabia - and has dropped from 70% to 4% in the Northwest Frontier Province of Pakistan. The number of Al Qaeda sympathizers in Britain fell dramatically after the 2005 London bombings.

No, Al Qaeda is not going to disappear overnight as a threat to the United States. It maintains a strong foothold along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and a continued ability to recruit radicalized European Muslims. Bin Laden's ability to survive continues to inspire and unify many would-be holy warriors. But the jihadist revolt against Al Qaeda is undoubtedly the most significant positive development in the war on terrorism since 9/11.

"In five years, Al Qaeda will be more isolated than ever," says Benotman.

Indeed, the blowback is beginning to be so powerful that even members of the Bush administration - which reiterates the deadly nature of the terrorist threat at every turn - are noticing. No less an observer than CIA Director Michael Hayden stated a week ago that such jihadist pushback against the terrorist network has contributed to "big setbacks for Al Qaeda globally."

Of course, anti-Al Qaeda jihadists are not exactly friends of America. Many of their objectives are deeply at odds with U.S. interests. But they do not set out to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to slaughter innocents - and that is a powerful distinction.

This is the new world in which we are living. If Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain are to make strong national security cases for their candidacies, they must both come to terms with this new strategic reality - and propose steps for how to isolate Al Qaeda further.

Cruickshank is a fellow at the NYU Center on Law and Security and the co-author, with Peter Bergen, of the current cover story in the New Republic, "The Jihadist Revolt against Bin Laden."

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions...lim_extremists_are_turning_on_osa.html?page=1
 
Yes, thats what we want -- but if the impetus is coming from countries and matters other than the U.S., it leaves that anger against the U.S. that could manifest itself in an attack. I agree that Muslims speaking out against the extremists is a good thing, and its what many have been calling for - for some time. As long as we are occupying Iraq, however, it may not mean a whole lot for us.

QueEx

what if maybe mainstream Muslims will understand that WE aren't the ones who want to fight them? Maybe we have a common enemy NOW.

An enemy of OUR enemy is our friend...right?
 
what if maybe mainstream Muslims will understand that WE aren't the ones who want to fight them? Maybe we have a common enemy NOW.

An enemy of OUR enemy is our friend...right?
I think that was a big part of the idea -- to get moderate Muslims to address the extremists but, ironically, it appears to be Binny's murderous tactics that may be bringing reason more so than our policy of winning hearts and minds. AS the article points out, many of those that are trying to influence others away from the Jihadist are 'former Jihadist" -- not what you would call moderate or mainstream Muslims.


QueEx
 
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