Any Ivy League Heads?

[TENT]

Anyone got a degree from an Ivy League school?

Student loans are a bitch. Do you recommend it?

Is it worth it?

I am talking about real life stories not the BS people sell.

Was your ivy league degree worth it? Considering that you propably have a shit load of student loans you now have to pay off.

A black man coming out a ivy league school aint the same as a white man or woman coming out the bitch so if you think you white or something dont even bother responding you sell out.

 

[Heist]

(1) Any college degree is only worth your hustle and how you work your contacts.

Ivy League is a guarantee for NOTHING outside of having some brand recognition, that just out of school may get you a few looks, and you'll have a few more doors cracked open because certain exclusive companies only visit Ivy League Schools (i.e. Goldman Sachs, NSA, etc. etc. )

But it doesn't stop you FROM GOING TO THE CAMPUS ITSELF and using their brand to help YOUR HUSTLE.

I went to Univ of Maryland for my undergrad, while up in the Top-10 or so for State Schools, I went 10 miles away to GEORGETOWN or drove 2 hours to WHARTON/UPenn for their Job Fairs and socialized there because I knew the top level companies do their recruiting their.

I used their campus brand recognition to help MY HUSTLE.

(2) To be honest, undergrad wise the quality of education you get at an Ivy League is really no better than a Top-50 school. It really comes down to how much time and effort you put into your own learning. A dummy is a dummy regardless of the school you go to.

Now with Grad School... then the WHOLE GAME CHANGES.

Yes, then Ivy Leagues are worth the money. As a matter of fact, I would say, especially with an MBA, if it isn't Ivy League or a Top-20 program ... don't even really waste your time.

 

[APOPHIS]

Some Ivy schools pay your tuition in whole if you make less the $60,000 per year, I think. Harvard has many students on full rides.
At some point, I plan on applying to Harvard.

 

[TENT]

See thats that ether I wasnt trying to hear man.

200,000 for a MBA and being black. Black man w/ a MBA aint gonna be the CEO of IBM. Ya smell me. 200k is the real deal gonna have to pay it back.

So I wanna hear from a black MBA from an IVY league school telling me its worth it. You say its worth it but you aint a MBA from an Ivy League school.


Yes, then Ivy Leagues are worth the money. As a matter of fact, I would say, especially with an MBA, if it isn't Ivy League or a Top-20 program ... don't even really waste your time.

 

[PrincessC]

Yes, then Ivy Leagues are worth the money. As a matter of fact, I would say, especially with an MBA, if it isn't Ivy League or a Top-20 program ... don't even really waste your time.

It depends on what you want to do with your MBA.
If you're trying to be the CEO of a company...Ivy League is mandatory.
I know plenty of people doing very very well with Tier 2 MBAs.

 

[TENT]

Whats "very very well" gimme salary please.

It depends on what you want to do with your MBA.
If you're trying to be the CEO of a company...Ivy League is mandatory.
I know plenty of people doing very very well with Tier 2 MBAs.

 

[Tchalla]

I am about to Graduate from Berkeley this May with a Masters in Information Management and Systems. While not Ivy League, we are the #1 public university in the country, and my entire Masters degree was free (through Merit based Fellowships and Assistantships). While we are not Ivy League, we are in the same conversation with Harvard, Stanford, and Yale. I have a lot of professors who are Harvard Alum and former faculty. Average STARTING salary (pre-economic downturn) was $85K for my program with no prior experience. Very few universities are known WORLDWIDE by name, Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge, the Sorbonne. So yeah, if you want worldwide name recognition, then I would say yes, its worth it.

 

[TENT]

Damn I find myself agreeing with you.

His story did not convince me that it was worth it..... it is cool he got it for free but shit..................

A first year high school principal makes that much in Atlanta...

With a master's degree from ANYwhere...only requirement is having taught 3 years somewhere. Which is what most people do when they can't find work in their fields anyways...they knock that out while getting the master's.

Factor in the downturn what's the best starting salary you can hope for now?

Good thing you got the degree for free.

 

[OnSlaught]

A first year high school principal makes that much in Atlanta...

With a master's degree from ANYwhere...only requirement is having taught 3 years somewhere. Which is what most people do when they can't find work in their fields anyways...they knock that out while getting the master's.

Factor in the downturn what's the best starting salary you can hope for now?

Good thing you got the degree for free.

Now that's line steppin'...

 

[Tchalla]

A first year high school principal makes that much in Atlanta...

With a master's degree from ANYwhere...only requirement is having taught 3 years somewhere. Which is what most people do when they can't find work in their fields anyways...they knock that out while getting the master's.

Factor in the downturn what's the best starting salary you can hope for now?

Good thing you got the degree for free.

To be a High School Principal, you do need prior experience (like you said). At my program, you would be starting at $85,000 with no experience. Also, all things held even, Ivy Leaguers (or a top 20 school graduate) will get more attention than any other school simply based on the name brand recognition and reputation of the school. As much as we dislike it, they are called 'elite' schools for a reason. They are more competitive to get into, so they draw the best people, and companies know that.

 

[d-monic]

One profession/job that seems to be the exclusive province of Ivy Leaguers is that of television writers. The majority of writers on the top TV Shows, Conan O'Brian, Spike Ferenstein, Maya Forbes, etc. are all Ivy League graduates.

 

[bwb]

IF are an intellectual monster and are really in the top half of a percentage in a very specialized field of study, then there are a handful of schools where you can really get access to leaders in those fields. That can be a benefit that IVY schools plus a few others will give to young scholars.

Outside of that, the debate isn't about the quality of the undergraduate education. Don't even bother worrying about that b/c it is not the main benefit of going ivy. It is about networking. There is A LOT of old money in the ivy schools. Do yourself a favor... go to all of the white frat parties, blow a few white girl's backs completely out, and let them think that they are 'cool ass white chicks' b/c you will hang with them.

Those white frat boys, experimenting ass white girls, those alums who love sports, the guys in random social clubs and social groups etc... they are the one's whose grandfather will happen to be president of this company, whose uncle is this federal judge, etc... 5 years post graduation, all of a sudden you can be in a powerful circle of real or at least semi influential people. That's where the Ivy pays off. Not in your first year salary.

 

[TENT]

Ok. Is this theory or your own real experience? Theory is all well and good.

But I wanna hear a BLACK Ivy League graduate speaking on how it benefited him or her.

So far I dont see anyone speaking from any real experience it is all hypthesis.

One brother went to a good school but aint even have to pay for it. Good for him. I wanna hear from a dude that went to Harvard or Columbia etc.. telling me the real world benefit.

If not. I gots to ride with Peachy and be like it is all a fucking gamble and you gots to get in where ya fit in.

IF are an intellectual monster and are really in the top half of a percentage in a very specialized field of study, then there are a handful of schools where you can really get access to leaders in those fields. That can be a benefit that IVY schools plus a few others will give to young scholars.

Outside of that, the debate isn't about the quality of the undergraduate education. Don't even bother worrying about that b/c it is not the main benefit of going ivy. It is about networking. There is A LOT of old money in the ivy schools. Do yourself a favor... go to all of the white frat parties, blow a few white girl's backs completely out, and let them think that they are 'cool ass white chicks' b/c you will hang with them.

Those white frat boys, experimenting ass white girls, those alums who love sports, the guys in random social clubs and social groups etc... they are the one's whose grandfather will happen to be president of this company, whose uncle is this federal judge, etc... 5 years post graduation, all of a sudden you can be in a powerful circle of real or at least semi influential people. That's where the Ivy pays off. Not in your first year salary.

 

[Tchalla]

IF are an intellectual monster and are really in the top half of a percentage in a very specialized field of study, then there are a handful of schools where you can really get access to leaders in those fields. That can be a benefit that IVY schools plus a few others will give to young scholars.

Outside of that, the debate isn't about the quality of the undergraduate education. Don't even bother worrying about that b/c it is not the main benefit of going ivy. It is about networking. There is A LOT of old money in the ivy schools. Do yourself a favor... go to all of the white frat parties, blow a few white girl's backs completely out, and let them think that they are 'cool ass white chicks' b/c you will hang with them.

Those white frat boys, experimenting ass white girls, those alums who love sports, the guys in random social clubs and social groups etc... they are the one's whose grandfather will happen to be president of this company, whose uncle is this federal judge, etc... 5 years post graduation, all of a sudden you can be in a powerful circle of real or at least semi influential people. That's where the Ivy pays off. Not in your first year salary.

Very very true! As I mentioned in my original post, the name brand recognition is worldwide. This is partly because of our extensive and global Alumni Network. Mention Whatever State University and people will go "Huh?", but mention Berkeley, Harvard, Stanford etc. and people will almost immediately know it.

 

[TENT]

Yo. I know a dude who only got a high school dipolomia and A+ and Network+ certifications making 200k a year.

So go figure.

If one is to go to an Ivy League school and not make over 200k...

To me it aint worth it smell me?

 

[Tchalla]

One brother went to a good school but aint even have to pay for it.

Contrary to what people believe, Ivy League schools are not that hard to afford. These schools have HUGE endowments and grants. 90% of the work done on campus is done by the students themselves. They pay these students peanuts, but the opportunity to get Assistantships is readily available and people can afford these educations.

 

[TENT]

Alright. What was YOUR GPA undergrad and GPA grad? How that financial aid shit work?
You talking like shit is all roses but you aint being specific.

You sound like the type of nigga to talk about the best steak you ever had and shit but then never tell a nigga where the restaurant is....

Contrary to what people believe, Ivy League schools are not that hard to afford. These schools have HUGE endowments and grants. 90% of the work done on campus is done by the students themselves. They pay these students peanuts, but the opportunity to get Assistantships is readily available and people can afford these educations.

 

[younghustla]

BGOL .... Home of the haters.

Education is power people.

 

[Tchalla]

There's nothing in this world that is easy man. If we are willing to underachieve, then I guess we will be relegated to the underclass. 3.36 Undergraduate GPA, 1450 GRE, 3.7 Graduate GPA.

 

[Heist]

See thats that ether I wasnt trying to hear man.

200,000 for a MBA and being black. Black man w/ a MBA aint gonna be the CEO of IBM. Ya smell me. 200k is the real deal gonna have to pay it back.

So I wanna hear from a black MBA from an IVY league school telling me its worth it. You say its worth it but you aint a MBA from an Ivy League school.


Yes, then Ivy Leagues are worth the money. As a matter of fact, I would say, especially with an MBA, if it isn't Ivy League or a Top-20 program ... don't even really waste your time.

I never said I didn't get my Masters from an Ivy League? I didn't come out and say I did, but I didn't say I didn't either. Bad reading comprehension on your part.

And no, no white man with an MBA is going to be the CEO of IBM either. Not without about 20 years in the company.

But go look at who the President of Oracle is.
Or the CEO of American Express. Or who the CEO of Merrill Lynch was.

But with your attitude, I don't know if you'll really get anything out of going to an Ivy League.

You think going to an Ivy League will automatically GiVE YOU SOMETHING.
The Ivy League will give you a strong brand on your resume and a solid education.

Hard work and hustle will give you something.

 

[bwb]

Ok. Is this theory or your own real experience? Theory is all well and good.

But I wanna hear a BLACK Ivy League graduate speaking on how it benefited him or her.

So far I dont see anyone speaking from any real experience it is all hypthesis.

One brother went to a good school but aint even have to pay for it. Good for him. I wanna hear from a dude that went to Harvard or Columbia etc.. telling me the real world benefit.

If not. I gots to ride with Peachy and be like it is all a fucking gamble and you gots to get in where ya fit in.

You have the wrong attitude. You are looking for someone to tell you it's not a gamble. Do you need someone to give you a pep talk before you try to holla at a girl too? How about before you take a shot on a basketball court?

Yes it's my own personal experience. I have no reason to make this shit up for a post on a porn board. Look bruh, going ivy is no guarantee of success. You can be a fuck up loss of potential anywhere you want. Going non ivy is no guarantee for failure either. If you cant' read between the lines then the shit i'm telling you won't matter b/c you won't be capable of taking advantage of an ivy experience like you should anyway. No one is forced to go ivy, and you shouldn't have to justify a reason why you chose not to go. You smell insecure to me.

Look, if you want a guarantee for success you will find it inside of you, not on your diploma. Life is about what you make it, regardless of the obstacles. If you have a chance to get into a top school, but you know that you won't try to take advantage of the benefits, then save money and try to bust it out at a different school. I do know guys who went ivy and were disappointed. They didn't do all they could have to maximize benefits and position themselves, and were shocked to find out that they couldn't just waive their degree and demand a job. Maybe being a star student in a state school would have been better for them. I also know people who tried to all the right things, graduated with ivy MBAs and could not find work. I also know guys who because of ivy connections have dinner with CEO's, Mayors and Congressmen when they are trying to pitch a new business deal. (not at the same time obviously, but not an exaggeration either.)

What's going to be better for you? Heist drove from MD to U Penn to attend job fairs. That's deep. That's a power move. If you don't do anything else, think about that post.

 

[bwb]

I never said I didn't get my Masters from an Ivy League? I didn't come out and say I did, but I didn't say I didn't either. Bad reading comprehension on your part.

And no, no white man with an MBA is going to be the CEO of IBM either. Not without about 20 years in the company.

But go look at who the President of Oracle is.
Or the CEO of American Express. Or who the CEO of Merrill Lynch.

But with your attitude, I don't know if you'll really get anything out of going to an Ivy League.

You think going to an Ivy League will automatically GiVE YOU SOMETHING.
The Ivy League will give you a strong brand on your resume and a solid education.

Hard work and hustle will give you something.

Preach.

 

[Heist]

It depends on what you want to do with your MBA.

If you're trying to be the CEO of a company...Ivy League is mandatory.
I know plenty of people doing very very well with Tier 2 MBAs.

Uh, no it isn't? Who told you that bunch of bullshit?!!!
Damn, people need to stop getting brainwashed.

It helps to get you prepared and maybe noticed, but its not a qualification. Far from it.

 

[PrincessC]

Whats "very very well" gimme salary please.

Maybe I should have taken off one of the very's. But 3 black males I know are making 125k-175 with 3-6 years of finance experience with MBAs from UTexas, Texas A&M, and UofH.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but I wouldn't say that it's not worth it if you don't go Ivy. The knowledge that I'm gaining from my program is invaluable, and I'm only in my first semester.

 

[Winslow Wong]

Brand names are important and Ivy's are brand names and their affect last throughout your lifetime not just when you graduate...

resumes are pulled by companies based strictly on the school if its not Ivy you wont even get a look at even if you have a boatload of experiences

For some people they will never drive anything but a Mercedes or BMW...the same is true with managers in HR they will never go with anyone other than an IVY degree...not fair but that's is how the world works.


Alma Mater

 

[TENT]

Nope it aint bad reading comprehension on my part. If you aint say it. I will not think it. It is logic. There was no information saying you did so why should I think you did?


The Ivy League will give you a strong brand on your resume and a solid education.


This is all you needed to say. All that other drama you can save it for your momma.

Thanks.

 

[TENT]

Reason why I made this thread is cause I know two chicks.
One who went to Harvard one who went to NYU.

The got 100k plus in student loans. Each making over 150k/yr.

The both said it wasnt worth it. Mind you they are the "dumbest smart people I know" so I take it with a grain of salt.

I got a buddy who is a college dropout making 200k right now....

 

[Heist]

This is all you needed to say. All that other drama you can save it for your momma.

Thanks.

Some people always trying to skate uphill.

 

[TENT]

They said it aint worth it. Dont ask me how. Thats that they fucking said.
It left me confused as well. Like I said I took it with a grain of salt.

Grain of salt cannot do shit for me.


They said that cause they figured that they could have made the same amount of money not going to an ivy league school.....

In other words they must have friends that aint go to ivy league schools making the same amount of money.....

You just said yourself you can make 85k going to a local school in the South right?

Ok TENT...you losing credibility with me now...

HTF is a $150k salary not worth the Ivy League degree?

Are we talking bachelor's degrees or graduate degrees?

Your dropout buddy is irrelevant to the discussion...

 

[chillwillwonka]

Whats "very very well" gimme salary please.

Ivy League schools are brand names. They are also a means to and end whether it is the connections, networking or access to world class facilities.

No disrespect, the problem with some black folks is they equate education to salary.

White people with real connections and legacy DO NOT think like this.

They will go to Harvard then to Peace Corps or Teaching for America, never make a dime and will look down on $200K making negro field hands.

What black folks keep forgetting is "elite" doesn't always equal money.

Jay-Z will never be able to get into the same circles as Barak pre presidency and he has hundred times the worth.

 

[TENT]

Word. But not for nothing fuck "Barack" and his elite circle.
Jay Z can wanna hang with "them" all he wants.

I want the money.


Jay-Z will never be able to get into the same circles as Barak pre presidency and he has hundred times the worth.

 

[Heist]

Word. But not for nothing fuck "Barack" and his elite circle.
Jay Z can wanna hang with "them" all he wants.

I want the money.


Jay-Z will never be able to get into the same circles as Barak pre presidency and he has hundred times the worth.

Fuck Barack and his elite circle?

Dog, you know what - you just said the most ignorant, inane shit I've ever heard. Don't go to college. You don't get it.

An elite circle will make life so that you DON'T EVEN NEED MONEY.
It truely will have the value to you of what it is ... nothing.

Connections and contacts are WHAT IT'S REALLY ALL ABOUT.
That's the true extrinsic value in a college education / Ivy League education.

There's nothing wrong with being successful and wanting to achieve financial success but the money isn't everything....
And if you go in with that approach, if everyone sniffs you to be a money grubbing whore, you'll start to find more doors closing in your face than opening.

 

[jucurious]

A first year high school principal makes that much in Atlanta...

With a master's degree from ANYwhere...only requirement is having taught 3 years somewhere.

To be a High School Principal, you do need prior experience (like you said). At my program, you would be starting at $85,000 with no experience.

Yall realize that yall are debating apples and oranges right?

1) he said NO experience, you said 3yrs
2) what degree does the first year high school principal have?
3) yall are talking about 2 different fields and 2 different levels of management
- there is an over-saturation in info system
- there is a HIGH need in education

Furthermore, how many people you know go straight from undergrad to grad? Like 10-20% tops? Maybe? So whats the big deal about a minimum 3 year work requirement? That's about how long it takes most people to finish anyways...you gotta live and eat somewhere in the meantime right?

1) Experience
- since there is a need in education and they are letting both those who have gone the traditional and alternative route get in, it may be easier to get experience in that field than others.
- a good portion of ppl don't work in fields in which they have their degree

So the assumption you are making is that since most Ivy League or tier 1 grad school students have highly competitive scores and GPAs then they all should go for free or damn near for free right...

Then as a black man why are you the exception and not the rule in that you are going for free?

Props no doubt...but what did YOU do to accomplish that? You aren't the only black person with those numbers?

What are YOU doing that others may not be doing is what I'm asking.

I don't think that is what he is saying at all.

A common misconception is that Ivy Leagues can't be afforded w/out a lot of student loans. Ivy League school have/are taking steps to make their degrees more affordable to those with financial problems. <-- that is not something that is overly advertised

-for some families, high cost w/out the knowledge of what other types of financial aid out there can automatically eliminate the school as a possibility...for others, they wont even apply

 

[JofromthaNO]

Alma Mater

I obtained a graduate degree from CU, as well, and not only were my experiences invaluable, but I feel like I'm in an exclusive club of other blacks that also attended CU.

I don't name drop when I'm out socializing, but I love when I pull in for an interview and give them that name. It's, like, you can see white people eyes BUGG OUT when they see a young, black woman attended an ivy league school.

I wouldn't recommend paying for the whole thing (cause, please believe, it's expensive!), but doing your assistantships and whatever other hustle you have to do to make it through. I ended up working all throughout grad school, and, luckily, don't have to pay back as much as others.

 

[jucurious]

I quit reading after this point....

see this is y it's important to read

In the state of Georgia a principal:

Qualifications:

Applicant must hold an L-5 clear renewable
Georgia Leadership Certificate or above

Applicant must have at least three to four years of
successful experience as a classroom teacher

Applicant must have at least three to four years of
successful experience as an Asst. Principal

Applicant must have a proven record of working well
with students, parents, and educators

Applicant must be a person of high integrity, excellent
character and good reputation

http://www.teachgeorgia.org/jobDetail.aspx?id=47606

an L-5 indicates a master's or higher
http://www.gapsc.com/Certification/ClassificationofCertificates.asp

-this means ur friend has either a master's or a doctorate
-so like i said....what degree does your friend have?

your friend also has more experience than a little bit:
-as you can see above, he needed 3-4 years experience as an assistant principal. to be an assistant principal you need experience also. so like i said before...experience plays a big roll

or let me guess...he was grandfathered in even w/ that you need experience...more than 3 years


anyway, like i said apples and oranges