Another Republican Looser, Ron Paul Adds His Worthless 2 Cents To The Stimulus Debate

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dude, you and que got my respect. Thought is just a little bit too irrational though.

Not to mention, he dodges shit when I pull his card. He still haven't answered my question...
 
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dude, you and que got my respect. Thought is just a little bit too irrational though.

Not to mention, he dodges shit when I pull his card. He still haven't answered my question...

Thought sometimes gets too emotional. I disagreed with Thought about something in regards to Clinton and Obama and thought said... "Conservatism is dead...deal with it!" Well, that would be fine and dandy if I was a conservative, but I'm not. As I get older, I tend not to look at things in such black and white terms. Since I disagreed, Thought called me a conservative:confused::smh: There are things I agree with Thought on.... Things I agree with you on.. etc... shit is not always Either/Or... and that's coming from someone who used be a real advocate of objectivism.
 
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So you think the rise in oil prices ...that coincidences directly with Bush's terms ..is a case of confusion causation with correlation?

There are obviously a plethora of incidents, policies, etc that effect commodity prices..(oil speculators, you named a hurricane, etc)... but you can isolate short term events that cause fluctuations but the overall long term rise coincides with Bush's administration. And although I've made the argument that oil prices will continue to gradually rise anyway (it's a finite commodity finite supply with exponentially increasing demand equals an increase in price)... something has to be said for our policy that has further destabilized the middle east...and prices have a much to do with the instability and uncertainty of those wars as with anything else.... but oil prices always make extreme increases under GOP reigns...literally, look at charts that illustrate the correlation...I'm not calling causation on overall GOP policy but the correlation is definitely there.

It's hard to deny the negative impact that Bush had on practically every aspect of American society...much-less oil prices...he's hard to defend man..

That's my point exactly!! The reason I do defend Bush is because I know he got a bad deal. Looking at everything, from 2000 *Gore lost it fair and square because his ass didn't win his own state* to Katrina. There was a lot of bullshit that he went through. I felt bad for the dude actually. No one wants to give the man credit for anything. If he cures cancer, people would complain on why he didn't cure Aids.

My point is, Bush couldn't do anything right. Actually, how people on this board, Keith Olbermann, many other media outlets made me more conservative in the process.
 
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Thought sometimes gets too emotional. I disagreed with Thought about something in regards to Clinton and Obama and thought said... "Conservatism is dead...deal with it!" Well, that would be fine and dandy if I was a conservative, but I'm not. As I get older, I tend not to look at things in such black and white terms. Since I disagreed, Thought called me a conservative:confused::smh: There are things I agree with Thought on.... Things I agree with you on.. etc... shit is not always Either/Or... and that's coming from someone who used be a real advocate of objectivism.

I'm not an either, or guy. I made examples of stuff I disagree with you about "the war, the economy". I bet most of everyone I debate on here would think the best of me if we actually met, smoke a blunt, pull some females together.
 
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I'm not an either, or guy. I made examples of stuff I disagree with you about "the war, the economy". I bet most of everyone I debate on here would think the best of me if we actually met, smoke a blunt, pull some females together.

I don't take debates personally.. one of my best friends and I argue it up and then laugh afterwards...
 
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That's my point exactly!! The reason I do defend Bush is because I know he got a bad deal. Looking at everything, from 2000 *Gore lost it fair and square because his ass didn't win his own state* to Katrina. There was a lot of bullshit that he went through. I felt bad for the dude actually. No one wants to give the man credit for anything. If he cures cancer, people would complain on why he didn't cure Aids.

My point is, Bush couldn't do anything right. Actually, how people on this board, Keith Olbermann, many other media outlets made me more conservative in the process.

I give Bush credit for the work he did in Africa. That was overlooked...

but as for most of his presidency... man I think he deserves most of the criticism he's received. I mean... him and those damn neo-conservatives really fucked up things... but their goals were highly publicized... right on the website The New American Century..they said what they wanted to do in regards to Iraq...and they did it...by any means necessary. Cheney was the real mastermind behind most of the policy. The complete and utter disregard for the constitution...what they did to our image internationally... etc. etc... I mean... you have to put a big FAIL on his administration.. it's like looking a a list of WHAT NOT TO DO...unless you want to wage wars, enrich the industrial/military complex, tank the economy, etc...
 
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I give Bush credit for the work he did in Africa. That was overlooked...

but as for most of his presidency... man I think he deserves most of the criticism he's received. I mean... him and those damn neo-conservatives really fucked up things... but their goals were highly publicized... right on the website The New American Century..they said what they wanted to do in regards to Iraq...and they did it...by any means necessary. Cheney was the real mastermind behind most of the policy. The complete and utter disregard for the constitution...what they did to our image internationally... etc. etc... I mean... you have to put a big FAIL on his administration.. it's like looking a a list of WHAT NOT TO DO...unless you want to wage wars, enrich the industrial/military complex, tank the economy, etc...


His biggest mistake was not listening to Powell in regards to Iraq.

I wouldn't put a "fail" on his admin just yet. Lets see how history treats it.
 
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1. That's a condescending premise. You actually believe its Bush fault if someone GET'S FIRED? So, let me guess, no one got fired under Clinton..? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

2. Why do you think that the media is in the tank with Conservatives? How are you getting to this premise? Reading too many CONSPIRACY novels again?

3. Of all things, being a conservative is like saying your a racist,sexist, ect. Think about it, Black America has been taught to think that GOP is the RACIST PARTY. Thus, why you say the bullshit you SAY.

4. BTW, have you been to Dallas?

If the policy set by the Treasury and governmental regulations is to export jobs based on the lowest common denominator based on the cheapest labor, no safety regulations and exploitations of those that have no representation, then yes it is Bush's fault as well as those that support those policies/

BTW, why do so called conservatives always play the race card when their arguments become thin? Didn't you play the race card when you said you couldn't support Obama, or was that another GOP loyalist!
 
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His biggest mistake was not listening to Powell in regards to Iraq.

I wouldn't put a "fail" on his admin just yet. Lets see how history treats it.

I've told this story before on BGOL.
Before I went to Iraq, I (with a group of Chaldeans) met with then Senator Biden in his office in D.C. This was back in Oct 2003. He said a lot of things(he really loves to hear himself speak.shit was ridiculous.but he is cool as a fucking fan)... but when he touched on the subject of Powell.. he said that at the point the only reason Powell hadn't stepped down was because he was a good soldier.. loyal to the bone. He said the Bush administration would have Powell pushing a certain policy with the certainty that they were backing it....would send him abroad and then the White House would completely contradict their position...leaving Powell looking like a fool. It got to the point where heads of state new that they couldn't trust the word of Powell. The Bush administration pretty much systemically "depowered" Powell after they used him.

Biden also said that Bush was not "stupid" but just ill-advised ...he said the biggest problem with Bush was that he was a delegator...and also trusted his staff...and unfortunately when you put an ill-advised person who empowers others to make major decisions...your in trouble if there are conflicts of interests with the people in question...

This was all directly from Biden's mouth in his office...
 
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If the policy set by the Treasury and governmental regulations is to export jobs based on the lowest common denominator based on the cheapest labor, no safety regulations and exploitations of those that have no representation, then yes it is Bush's fault as well as those that support those policies/

BTW, why do so called conservatives always play the race card when their arguments become thin? Didn't you play the race card when you said you couldn't support Obama, or was that another GOP loyalist!

Race card? Dude I didn't like Obama's politics. WTF are you talking about?



I've told this story before on BGOL.
Before I went to Iraq, I (with a group of Chaldeans) met with then Senator Biden in his office in D.C. This was back in Oct 2003. He said a lot of things(he really loves to hear himself speak.shit was ridiculous.but he is cool as a fucking fan)... but when he touched on the subject of Powell.. he said that at the point the only reason Powell hadn't stepped down was because he was a good soldier.. loyal to the bone. He said the Bush administration would have Powell pushing a certain policy with the certainty that they were backing it....would send him abroad and then the White House would completely contradict their position...leaving Powell looking like a fool. It got to the point where heads of state new that they couldn't trust the word of Powell. The Bush administration pretty much systemically "depowered" Powell after they used him.

Biden also said that Bush was not "stupid" but just ill-advised ...he said the biggest problem with Bush was that he was a delegator...and also trusted his staff...and unfortunately when you put an ill-advised person who empowers others to make major decisions...your in trouble if there are conflicts of interests with the people in question...

This was all directly from Biden's mouth in his office...

This is why I defend Bush on some level because I know he gets a bad rep. They was wrong for doing Colin like that. I couldn't blame Colin for doing McCain like that, however, McCain had nothing to do with what Bush did. Bush either should of had Colin as VP, or he should of did what Colin wanted him to do. Both ways would of made his 8 years way easier.
 
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3. Of all things, being a conservative is like saying your a racist,sexist, ect. Think about it,<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> Black America has been taught to think that GOP is the RACIST PARTY.</SPAN> Thus, why you say the bullshit you SAY.

...when did I mention that?

Close enough?
 
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...when did I mention that?

Because I have a difference in opinion about this situation?

Oh let me guess, I have to do exactly what other posters do on here. Lick Obama's balls to sound educated. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Thanks for proving my point about overemotional black folks and Obama.</SPAN>

3. Of all things, being a conservative is like saying your a racist,sexist, ect. Think about it,<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> Black America has been taught to think that GOP is the RACIST PARTY.</SPAN> Thus, why you say the bullshit you SAY.



Close enough?
 
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Get Alex Jones dick out of your mouth and lern2reed. I never said that Democrats didn't grow govt. i said that Republicans have grown it MORE. Republicans spend more on "defense" spending that Demos. Clinton actually decreased the number of govt workers compared to REagan btw. Furthermore I believe the main problem is the corporatism that controls both parties at the top but at least I agree with Demos more in most situations because well the populists of the Demos make more sense than the idiot know-nothing populists of the Rethug party. Progressive>conservative;)

hahaha @ that Alex JOnes bullshit, I think for myself. what did I not read right?

"The fact remains that the govt grows more under modern Republican presidents than democratic presidents. "

those were your exact words, nothing about defense. Clinton put more abortion clinics in black neighborhoods than reagan could ever dream of(with a black surgeon general leading the charge for black infanticide nonetheless), Obama's funding more abortions/vaccines laced with cancer doses or HIV in Africa. Why do you defend these subhuman pricks?

Clinton got us into illegal wars and sent Americans to die for a lie just like Bush. The lesser evil is still fucking evil, homey

"He should have been more forceful in his party over the past 8 years."

lol, yep just like Democrats were so "forceful" and ended the 2 illegal wars and impeached Bush and Cheney after it was revealed they authorized the rape of children in front of their parent...Democrats is bitches...

"The current crisis demands spending for more infrastructure."

How did our infrastructure influence the corporate raping that was brought down on us last year, and is going to go on because of Obama's pusillanimous placation to the same bankers...?
 
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People gotta stop with this shit. I have not heard too many people, even his staunchest supporters saying that Obama will fix al of Bush's mistakes. If anything, people are hopefully realistic that possibly he "might" be able to help get things moving in a better direction, or at least slow the ass-bound direction Bush and crew set us moving towards.

...but a lot of people, mostly haters, want to act like anyone who voted democratic thinks that everything is gonna be smiles & sunshine in a year. ...and of course you all are saying that in the hopes that when things are still fucked up in 2 years, that fact can be used to take back congress... which may very well happen.

Again though; for the most part, people are pretty darn realistic about this mess. No real end to it anytime soon. I voted for Barak because although he is far from perfect, he's better than George and the neo-cons, and trickle downers. ....but things will remain shitty for quite a while.


Another thing, shouldn't everyone on this board be happy that Obama won? I mean, he will fix all of Bush's "mistakes" right?
 
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Some of y'all are pissed SOLEY bacause Ron Paul cuts through the bullshit that is widely disbursed fromm both sides. You cannot combat it with facts, so you use ad hoc attacks and non-sequiturs to try to attack the messenger, not the message.

Thoughtone ignores the fact that he pissed and moaned non-stop about tax cuts and increased spending, but now we want to do it, but in a much bigger way. Makes no sense. By the popular thinking, if I did not treat my business right, I can go to my customers, sieze thier assets, and make them buy my product, not tell them how much it costs (because I don't know), give them no assurance that the product will work, and then blame all the woes on my bad business plan that many of them told me about for years.
 
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Some of y'all are pissed SOLEY bacause Ron Paul cuts through the bullshit that is widely disbursed fromm both sides. You cannot combat it with facts, so you use ad hoc attacks and non-sequiturs to try to attack the messenger, not the message.

Thoughtone ignores the fact that he pissed and moaned non-stop about tax cuts and increased spending, but now we want to do it, but in a much bigger way. Makes no sense. By the popular thinking, if I did not treat my business right, I can go to my customers, sieze thier assets, and make them buy my product, not tell them how much it costs (because I don't know), give them no assurance that the product will work, and then blame all the woes on my bad business plan that many of them told me about for years.

Major co-sign!!!!

And its even worse on the main board.:smh::smh::smh:
 
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Very Interesting, Ron Paul For an End To The Drug War:

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Agreed...It irks me when I hear view points like Ron Paul's. I want to ask and where were you the past 8 years? Why didn't all these fiscal conservatives scream and holler their way through the Bushco Years?
He did !! His fellow repukes label him as the tin foil hat man. What does that tell you
 
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I love how people try to blame bush for everything. The person you really have to blame is reagan and Friedman, but the truth is globalizationis not a problem it's the solution to everything. Don't blame the government for selling you out. Blame them for not adapting fast enough. They were given tons of years to prepare but they chose to sit back and continue to steal money.

and now you have some guy who thinks he can fool us by doingthe same bullshiit that the other folks did. It doesn't make it any better that he sort of addressed some issues. It's still stealing.
 
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source: msnbc


Tea Party godfather Ron Paul declares 2012 bid

Texas congressman, known for unconventional views, announces from New Hampshire



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U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, speaks during a news conference at his newly opened Iowa campaign office in Ankeny, Iowa, on Tuesday.



AUSTIN, Texas — Texas Rep. Ron Paul announced Friday that he will run for the GOP nomination for president in 2012, the third attempt for the man known on Capitol Hill as "Dr. No" for his enthusiasm for bashing runaway spending and government overreach.

"Time has come around to the point where the people are agreeing with much of what I've been saying for 30 years. So, I think the time is right," said the 75-year-old Paul, who first ran for president as a Libertarian in 1988.

Paul made his announcement in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America" from New Hampshire, where he planned his first event for his presidential campaign on Friday.

Three years ago, the former flight surgeon and outspoken critic of the Federal Reserve became an Internet sensation — and a prodigious fundraiser— when he made a spirited but doomed bid for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination.

First elected to Congress in 1976, he is known for holding unconventional views while keeping a smile on his face, espousing a sort of modern Republican populism.

The obstetrician has delivered more than 4,000 babies and is personally against abortion, but he doesn't think the federal government should regulate it. That's a function of state government, he says.

Ron Paul plans 'major announcement' Friday

He has also said he wants to abolish the Internal Revenue Service, favors returning the United States to the gold standard in monetary policy and wants the U.S out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Democrats have tried repeatedly to beat him in a congressional district that stretches from the outskirts of Corpus Christi to Galveston.


But the independent swath of coastal Texas seems a good fit for the maverick doctor. He has 18 grandchildren, according to his website, and he and his wife of 54 years, Carol, are known widely in Paul's district for the cookbooks they give away to supporters.

"The secret to his success is his authenticity," said Democratic consultant Jeff Crosby, who grew up in Paul's district. "He's an authentic nut."

Crosby, who worked to defeat Paul in 2006 — unsuccessfully — described the difficulty he had trying to persuade voters to reject what he thought were the candidate's radical views.


"Just the mere fact that he does what he says he's going to do, regardless of how nutty or ineffective it may be, they like it," Crosby said. "A lot of folks along the coast have never expected much from government, and they're getting it."

Father of Tea Party movement
Paul, a native of Pittsburgh, is both a spiritual father and actual father in the Tea Party movement. His son, Tea Party darling Rand Paul, won a Senate seat in Kentucky last year and has become an ardent proponent of spending cuts and smaller government.

As far back as 2007, long before people were evoking the fabled Boston Tea Party to symbolize their disgust with an overtaxing central government, Ron Paul was hosting a "Tea Party Fundraiser" aboard a shrimp boat near Galveston.

Organizer and Paul campaign volunteer Elizabeth Day remembers that supporters wore period dress and rolled fake barrels of tea into the waters of the Gulf of Mexico.

"When people come to believe in Ron Paul, there is a passion that burns within us," said Day, a 57-year-old oil company revenue analyst. "To me, Ron Paul is the tea party."

The elder Paul has built coalitions that include senior citizen "granny warriors" and pot-smoking libertarians. During his 1988 presidential run, High Times magazine, which caters to marijuana users, published a cover story under the headline, "Ron Paul: Pro-Pot Presidential Candidate."

Paul has expressed the view that the states, not the federal government, should regulate vices like pornography and drugs.


What sets Paul apart most from his GOP brethren are his views that defense spending needs to shrink and that the U.S. should get out of its two wars. Paul says the conflicts are financially unsustainable — and another drag on a battered U.S. dollar that he believes is on the verge of collapse.

He also disputes a fundamental underpinning of the war in Iraq, namely that Islamic terrorists must be stopped overseas before they can attack the United States.


"They came over here because we were over there," Paul said in the run-up to the 2008 campaign. "We occupy their territory. It would be like if the Chinese had their navy in the Gulf of Mexico."

Paul has routinely turned down pork-barrel spending for his own district, but he has earned praise at home for refusing to sign up for lucrative pension benefits to which he is entitled as a member of Congress.

Paul took a break from the House after his failed 1988 presidential bid but was re-elected in 1996.

Though he has voiced support for term limits, Paul has been in Congress for almost 30 years. Thanks to a law first crafted for Texas-born President Lyndon Johnson, he was able to run for the House and the presidency at the same time in 2008. Supporters figure he'll do the same in 2012.

Former Texas GOP gubernatorial candidate Debra Medina counts herself among the die-hard Ron Paul followers who won't let age, unconventional views or the professed tea party proclivities of other candidates shake her away from the soft-spoken presidential contender.

"All the Republicans say we need to reduce spending," said Medina. "They talk about it, but they don't actually deliver on those promises. He's different."
 
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Seems to be the only one with enough balls to attempt to dismantle the Federal Reserve and start from scratch.

Will the Rothschild's allow this?

I doubt it.
 
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Seems to be the only one with enough balls to attempt to dismantle the Federal Reserve and start from scratch.

Will the Rothschild's allow this?

I doubt it.

The Fed will destroy itself & have no one to blame but its own policies.

RP is just exposing 'the game'

Rockefellor, Rothschild doin their best to keep the public distracted
 
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