Another Republican Looser, Ron Paul Adds His Worthless 2 Cents To The Stimulus Debate

[thoughtone]

source: CNN

GOP senators 'caved in' on stimulus, Paul says

By Mark Preston
CNN Political Editor

CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Former presidential candidate Ron Paul criticized President Obama's economic recovery proposal but said Saturday that blame for the financial crisis is deep-seated and includes Republicans who failed to hold the line on spending during the Bush administration.

He also offered a harsh critique of the three Republican senators who have said they will vote for the economic recovery proposal. A vote is scheduled for early next week.

Paul, a Republican representative from Texas who sought the GOP nomination for president, said that although some people call Obama's plan to jumpstart the economy a "stimulus package," he thinks it is a "pure spending package."

The message came on a video posted on YouTube.

Paul praised his fellow House Republicans for unanimously voting against the plan but expressed disappointment that three Senate Republicans "caved in and went with the Democrats."

He didn't mention the GOP senators by name but was referring to Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, both of Maine, and Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.

In the video, Paul said he wondered whether Republican opposition to the spending is too little, too late.

"It is like they're born-again budget conservatives," Paul said. "Where were we in the past eight years, when we could have done something? And you see our last eight years that has set this situation up. So we can't blame the Democrats for the conditions we have.

"We have to blame both parties and presidents of the last several decades to have generated this huge government."

Paul said that he agrees that the economy needs to be stimulated but that he doesn't think the federal government should be doing it.

"Sure, we want more spending," Paul said. "We need a lot more spending in the economy, but it has to be done by market forces, by individuals, by businesses making proper decisions."

The stimulus package, which is expected to come in at about $827 billion when the Senate votes, includes tax cuts and credits and spending on infrastructure, education and other projects that supporters say will create and save jobs

 

[actinanass]

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I hate to say this, but I have to agree with Paul on this one....

 

[Mr MajestiK]

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I hate to say this, but I have to agree with Paul on this one....

^^^Your reasons being?

 

[QueEx]

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I hate to say this, but I have to agree with Paul on this one....

. . . and, who's surprised

 

[actinanass]

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^^^Your reasons being?

that this bailout/stimulus bullshit has went too far. On this issue I agree with him because I do feel that this is only delaying the inevitable anyway. Let the markets fix itself, and lower some taxes to get investing confidence up. Why is that SOOOO hard?

 

[actinanass]

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. . . and, who's surprised

hey I don't deny that I have a conservative bone in my body. At least I'm honest with myself...

 

[thoughtone]

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that this bailout/stimulus bullshit has went too far. On this issue I agree with him because I do feel that this is only delaying the inevitable anyway. Let the markets fix itself, and lower some taxes to get investing confidence up. Why is that SOOOO hard?

Fuck the markets. Let the gamblers lose their shirts You could have 1000 Bernie Madoff's and I wouldn't care. It's the working joe I'm concerned about.

 

[actinanass]

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Fuck the markets. Let the gamblers lose their shirts You could have 1000 Bernie Madoff's and I wouldn't care. It's the working joe I'm concerned about.

so the working joe is less likely to get fuck if you raise taxes for bullshit programs?

 

[Lamarr]

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I'll say this: Spending does not create economic growth, however, it is economic growth which allows spending to happen

 

[Cipha]

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Sorry but this is an instance where Ron Paul is WRONG. He should have been more forceful in his party over the past 8 years. The fact remains that the govt grows more under modern Republican presidents than democratic presidents. The current crisis demands spending for more infrastructure. Unfortunately Rethugs are ruining the current bill with tax cuts after Obama placated them too much in the first place. U.S. infrastructure is trash right now. Something needs to be done about this.

 

[watchin]

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Sorry but this is an instance where Ron Paul is WRONG. He should have been more forceful in his party over the past 8 years.

Agreed...It irks me when I hear view points like Ron Paul's. I want to ask and where were you the past 8 years? Why didn't all these fiscal conservatives scream and holler their way through the Bushco Years?

 

[Lamarr]

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I've paid close attention to Paul for a couple yrs and he is consistent. I'd trust his word before any of the RINO's. Plus, Paul understands how we got into this financial mess, and offers clearcut answers to get us out of this mess.

 

[ionblast]

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I've paid close attention to Paul for a couple yrs and he is consistent. I'd trust his word before any of the RINO's. Plus, Paul understands how we got into this financial mess, and offers clearcut answers to get us out of this mess.

Same here. I always thought he was more of a Libertarian than a republicrat/demopublican.

 

[fourth_retired]

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Ron Paul is one of the realest people we have right now. tells it like it is. His views aren't popular with both sides of the camp. Its funny how Ex. Fed chairman Allan Greenspan shares the same views as Ron Paul and has been through the Reagan,Bush,Clinton, and the G.W.Bush administrations but not with this one. Yet Paul Volker another Ex. Fed Chairman(previous to Allan Greenspan) is part of one of Obamas economic teams.

 

[kjxxxx]

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From the title of the thread I can see you are not one of them folks who vote on issues. I can see you clearly don't know shit. If you did you would have known that of all the candidates to choose from Ron Paul was the only one who knew what was going on with the economy. If you have listened to him over the years you would have known that as far economic policies go this guy is very smart and well respected. I don't know why you bother to post anything the Republicans say or do because you clearly do not look at issues objectively. Seems to me you could ignore them and be ok. Checks and balance is not a part of governing and public policies I see. Without the other party checking what one party does you will end up with all the money going to the politicians and their friends and scraps to the poor and needy. Welfare in before the Republican reforms was a perfect example (you can give Clinton the credit because thats how Democrats have been putting it all the time).

source: CNN

GOP senators 'caved in' on stimulus, Paul says

By Mark Preston
CNN Political Editor

CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Former presidential candidate Ron Paul criticized President Obama's economic recovery proposal but said Saturday that blame for the financial crisis is deep-seated and includes Republicans who failed to hold the line on spending during the Bush administration.

He also offered a harsh critique of the three Republican senators who have said they will vote for the economic recovery proposal. A vote is scheduled for early next week.

Paul, a Republican representative from Texas who sought the GOP nomination for president, said that although some people call Obama's plan to jumpstart the economy a "stimulus package," he thinks it is a "pure spending package."

The message came on a video posted on YouTube.

Paul praised his fellow House Republicans for unanimously voting against the plan but expressed disappointment that three Senate Republicans "caved in and went with the Democrats."

He didn't mention the GOP senators by name but was referring to Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, both of Maine, and Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.

In the video, Paul said he wondered whether Republican opposition to the spending is too little, too late.

"It is like they're born-again budget conservatives," Paul said. "Where were we in the past eight years, when we could have done something? And you see our last eight years that has set this situation up. So we can't blame the Democrats for the conditions we have.

"We have to blame both parties and presidents of the last several decades to have generated this huge government."

Paul said that he agrees that the economy needs to be stimulated but that he doesn't think the federal government should be doing it.

"Sure, we want more spending," Paul said. "We need a lot more spending in the economy, but it has to be done by market forces, by individuals, by businesses making proper decisions."

The stimulus package, which is expected to come in at about $827 billion when the Senate votes, includes tax cuts and credits and spending on infrastructure, education and other projects that supporters say will create and save jobs

 

[Cipha]

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Ron Paul is one of the realest people we have right now. tells it like it is. His views aren't popular with both sides of the camp. Its funny how Ex. Fed chairman Allan Greenspan shares the same views as Ron Paul and has been through the Reagan,Bush,Clinton, and the G.W.Bush administrations but not with this one. Yet Paul Volker another Ex. Fed Chairman(previous to Allan Greenspan) is part of one of Obamas economic teams.

Ron Paul is right on some things and wrong on others. I disagree with his fundamental belief that government is THE problem. I think government spending is needed right now. On the other hand fixing the banks are a separate issue that needs to be addressed and I would like to see Ron Paul more active on that. The economy is going through a perfect storm right now with multiple problems plaguing it from different angles. There is not one way to solve these issues and this is where i fear Ron Paul falls short, as well as Peter Schiff. Paul is a one trick pony. He is definitely consistent but that is not necessarily a good thing. If it were up to Ron Paul there would have never been a civil rights act. There is a reason he is a favorite of the white power/militia crowd. Everything involving the Federal government = bad to him and I think that is just too limited thinking for the long-term development of the country.

 

[Partial_Mathers]

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Sorry but this is an instance where Ron Paul is WRONG. He should have been more forceful in his party over the past 8 years. The fact remains that the govt grows more under modern Republican presidents than democratic presidents. The current crisis demands spending for more infrastructure. Unfortunately Rethugs are ruining the current bill with tax cuts after Obama placated them too much in the first place. U.S. infrastructure is trash right now. Something needs to be done about this.

lol, lay off the kool-aid. Clinton grew the size of government, not reduced it. Carter created FEMA, an agency that can suspend the Constitution at any moment and instill martial law nationwide. Obama's "stimulus" is mostly going to grow government just like under Bush, Bush. Sr, etc.

The Democrap party and Republican party are exactly the same. They profit off of this divisiveness produced every four years by taking our eyes off the true enemies of all humanity. They have bought Wall Street, both parties, the school system, etc. America is being converted into a slave economy with slave wages and slave products(see: Wal mart)

They don't give a fuck about helping the economy, they're only forging our chains in ink and keystrokes

 

[Cipha]

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lol, lay off the kool-aid. Clinton grew the size of government, not reduced it. Carter created FEMA, an agency that can suspend the Constitution at any moment and instill martial law nationwide. Obama's "stimulus" is mostly going to grow government just like under Bush, Bush. Sr, etc.

The Democrap party and Republican party are exactly the same. They profit off of this divisiveness produced every four years by taking our eyes off the true enemies of all humanity. They have bought Wall Street, both parties, the school system, etc. America is being converted into a slave economy with slave wages and slave products(see: Wal mart)

They don't give a fuck about helping the economy, they're only forging our chains in ink and keystrokes

Get Alex Jones dick out of your mouth and lern2reed. I never said that Democrats didn't grow govt. i said that Republicans have grown it MORE. Republicans spend more on "defense" spending that Demos. Clinton actually decreased the number of govt workers compared to REagan btw. Furthermore I believe the main problem is the corporatism that controls both parties at the top but at least I agree with Demos more in most situations because well the populists of the Demos make more sense than the idiot know-nothing populists of the Rethug party. Progressive>conservative

 

[thoughtone]

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so the working joe is less likely to get fuck if you raise taxes for bullshit programs?

YES! We have had the Bush tax cuts for over 6 years. Is the economy better than it was when Clinton was in office?

 

[thoughtone]

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Agreed...It irks me when I hear view points like Ron Paul's. I want to ask and where were you the past 8 years? Why didn't all these fiscal conservatives scream and holler their way through the Bushco Years?

The current republican talking point is to separate the conservatives from the conservatives. Faux Snooze had one of their many clowns arguing that Herbert Hoover came from the liberal wing of the GOP and GW was not a conservative. Hoover got his economic advice from his Secretary of the Treasury, Andrew Mellon (yes of Mellon Bank fame), an economic conservative if their ever was one and GW campaigned as a "compassionate conservative” whatever that is. You people must understand that so called conservative, trickle down, supply side economics is a myth. Most of you were born after 1980 or came of age after 1980. We must over turn the so called Reagan Revolution. This was what Obama meant by change.

 

[actinanass]

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YES! We have had the Bush tax cuts for over 6 years. Is the economy better than it was when Clinton was in office?

actually it was if you want to be technical.

Think about it, you was griping more about IRAQ than jobs remember?

It was a time that I came on here as a newb, and saw mostly "Iraq this, and Bush lied about that". You, Mak, ewwwwlll, and a couple more were posting far left "sources" to show how Bush "lied" about the WMD's in Iraq. Nothing about people losing jobs. In fact, a lot of people kept their jobs FROM the Clinton years. There was basically NO legitimate gripe about the job market on a national scale.

BTW, just to let you know, since Obama signed on for this stimulus bill, its officially not Bush's recession. This is what happens when you move TOO left, TOO fast. Ya'll better hope that shit work, or a lot of criticism is going to rain down on Obama....

 

[Cipha]

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actually it was if you want to be technical.

Think about it, you was griping more about IRAQ than jobs remember?

It was a time that I came on here as a newb, and saw mostly "Iraq this, and Bush lied about that". You, Mak, ewwwwlll, and a couple more were posting far left "sources" to show how Bush "lied" about the WMD's in Iraq. Nothing about people losing jobs. In fact, a lot of people kept their jobs FROM the Clinton years. There was basically NO legitimate gripe about the job market on a national scale.

BTW, just to let you know, since Obama signed on for this stimulus bill, its officially not Bush's recession. This is what happens when you move TOO left, TOO fast. Ya'll better hope that shit work, or a lot of criticism is going to rain down on Obama....

you are a joke sir. There is no stimulus bill in existence. Obama hasn't signed anything yet. But according to rightwingers this has been Obama's recession since OCtober when everyone realized he was going to win.

 

[thoughtone]

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actually it was if you want to be technical.

Think about it, you was griping more about IRAQ than jobs remember?

It was a time that I came on here as a newb, and saw mostly "Iraq this, and Bush lied about that". You, Mak, ewwwwlll, and a couple more were posting far left "sources" to show how Bush "lied" about the WMD's in Iraq. Nothing about people losing jobs. In fact, a lot of people kept their jobs FROM the Clinton years. There was basically NO legitimate gripe about the job market on a national scale.

BTW, just to let you know, since Obama signed on for this stimulus bill, its officially not Bush's recession. This is what happens when you move TOO left, TOO fast. Ya'll better hope that shit work, or a lot of criticism is going to rain down on Obama....

you are a joke sir. There is no stimulus bill in existence. Obama hasn't signed anything yet. But according to rightwingers this has been Obama's recession since OCtober when everyone realized he was going to win.

actinanass must have fun living on Mars, I mean west Texas

 

[Spectrum]

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you are a joke sir. There is no stimulus bill in existence. Obama hasn't signed anything yet. But according to rightwingers this has been Obama's recession since OCtober when everyone realized he was going to win.

Obama will be lucky to have this ship turned around by the end of his first term. The got-damn bush left him one hell of a fucking mess that is just beginning to reveal itself. We'll lose millions of jobs this year and even though they will be recording during Obama's term... anyone with half a brain and a tad bit of decency knows these are really Bush's figures..

 

[African Herbsman]

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He should have been nominated for Sec of Treasury.

 

[Spectrum]

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He should have been nominated for Sec of Treasury.

I'm not a big Ron Paul fan but he would actually be a good fit there. HOWEVER,it would be a waste because he wouldn't be able to implement any of his ideas... His talk about dissolving the FED, etc. would get NO play... but he's actually one of the few politicians who addresses the root problems when it comes to our economic instability.

 

[actinanass]

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you are a joke sir. There is no stimulus bill in existence. Obama hasn't signed anything yet. But according to rightwingers this has been Obama's recession since OCtober when everyone realized he was going to win.

I'm talking about WHEN he signs this bill.

Honestly, I believed that this economy *UNTIL HE (Obama) SIGNS THIS STIMULUS BILL* was Bush's, and the Democrat majority's.

Another thing, Cipha you act as if he's not going to sign this bill. Now, if he turn around, and vetoes this stimulus bill then all bets are off. However, he supports this stimulus bill wholeheartedly. If not, he *Obama* would of changed this bill when NO republicans in the house voted for it.

 

[actinanass]

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actinanass must have fun living on Mars, I mean west Texas

Obama will be lucky to have this ship turned around by the end of his first term. The got-damn bush left him one hell of a fucking mess that is just beginning to reveal itself. We'll lose millions of jobs this year and even though they will be recording during Obama's term... anyone with half a brain and a tad bit of decency knows these are really Bush's figures..

Thought...dude im from Dallas...not lubbock

Eewwll, was jobs in issue before 2006, like it is now? What was the issue in 2003 to 2005?

Another thing, why can't ya'll admit that congress had a play in how the economy is doing right now. I can admit my sides fuck ups, however, why can't everyone see what really happened? I thought liberals were open minded?

BTW, thought, you really ran from my question EARLIER. Nice work...

 

[oh snap]

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Sorry but this is an instance where Ron Paul is WRONG. He should have been more forceful in his party over the past 8 years. The fact remains that the govt grows more under modern Republican presidents than democratic presidents. The current crisis demands spending for more infrastructure. Unfortunately Rethugs are ruining the current bill with tax cuts after Obama placated them too much in the first place. U.S. infrastructure is trash right now. Something needs to be done about this.

 

[Spectrum]

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I can admit my sides fuck ups, however, why can't everyone see what really happened? I thought liberals were open minded?

BTW, thought, you really ran from my question EARLIER. Nice work...

I'm not a liberal..not even close to it... and you must be thinking of someone else because you didn't ask me any questions earlier.. what are you talking about?

why in the hell would I avoid a question from you.. I've already murdered you in your own threads before

You've obviously got me mixed up with another poster as I can scroll up this thread and you've not quoted me previous to this in this thread..so how in the hell could I be running from your question..be serious

The reality of the matter is that Bush, with his two wars...which not only costs over a trillion dollars but also had a direct effect on oil.which propagated a multi-fold increase in oil prices with also put pressure on the U.S. dollar... which also increased the mean of the price index for all other types of commodities, etc...and that was just direct and indirect economic problems caused because of the wars... much less the rest of the irrational economic policy promoted by washington while Bush held the reigns..you can't be serious..

 

[thoughtone]

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Thought...dude im from Dallas...not lubbock

What's the difference?

Another thing, why can't ya'll admit that congress had a play in how the economy is doing right now. I can admit my sides fuck ups, however, why can't everyone see what really happened? I thought liberals were open minded?

BTW, thought, you really ran from my question EARLIER. Nice work...

Search my post over the last 4 years or so. I have been pointing out the fact that under Clinton, 22 million new jobs were created. Under GW, we are losing jobs by the day. I also admit that the weak ass Democrats have not asserted themselves under GW and the liberal (progressive) Democrats have wilted under Clinton. The media has fallen in to line over the last 30 years following the conservative republicans, (the Heritage Foundation, the National Center for Policy Analysis and the big corporations) directives in making liberal a bad word. Democrat’s coward under this pressure. Now the result of "wing nut-ism" has finally beard its true self and people are seeing things for what they are, a bunch of illogical ideologues, with little grasp of the world as it is.

 

[actinanass]

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What's the difference?



Search my post over the last 4 years or so. I have been pointing out the fact that under Clinton, 22 million new jobs were created. Under GW, we are losing jobs by the day. I also admit that the weak ass Democrats have not asserted themselves under GW and the liberal (progressive) Democrats have wilted under Clinton. The media has fallen in to line over the last 30 years following the conservative republicans, (the Heritage Foundation, the National Center for Policy Analysis and the big corporations) directives in making liberal a bad word. Democrat’s coward under this pressure. Now the result of "wing nut-ism" has finally beard its true self and people are seeing things for what they are, a bunch of illogical ideologues, with little grasp of the world as it is.

1. That's a condescending premise. You actually believe its Bush fault if someone GET'S FIRED? So, let me guess, no one got fired under Clinton..?

2. Why do you think that the media is in the tank with Conservatives? How are you getting to this premise? Reading too many CONSPIRACY novels again?

3. Of all things, being a conservative is like saying your a racist,sexist, ect. Think about it, Black America has been taught to think that GOP is the RACIST PARTY. Thus, why you say the bullshit you SAY.

4. BTW, have you been to Dallas?

 

[actinanass]

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I'm not a liberal..not even close to it... and you must be thinking of someone else because you didn't ask me any questions earlier.. what are you talking about?

why in the hell would I avoid a question from you.. I've already murdered you in your own threads before

You've obviously got me mixed up with another poster as I can scroll up this thread and you've not quoted me previous to this in this thread..so how in the hell could I be running from your question..be serious

The reality of the matter is that Bush, with his two wars...which not only costs over a trillion dollars but also had a direct effect on oil.which propagated a multi-fold increase in oil prices with also put pressure on the U.S. dollar... which also increased the mean of the price index for all other types of commodities, etc...and that was just direct and indirect economic problems caused because of the wars... much less the rest of the irrational economic policy promoted by washington while Bush held the reigns..you can't be serious..

E.. I was talking to THOUGHT. Please read the question again...


BTW, did everyone forget that gas has went down? So why are people still bringing up the wars? In fact, a HURRICANE, and Democratic congress raised the oil prices FASTER than what Bush did.


Another thing, shouldn't everyone on this board be happy that Obama won? I mean, he will fix all of Bush's "mistakes" right?

 

[Spectrum]

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E.. I was talking to THOUGHT. Please read the question again...

 

[Spectrum]

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BTW, did everyone forget that gas has went down? So why are people still bringing up the wars? In fact, a HURRICANE, and Democratic congress raised the oil prices FASTER than what Bush did.

So you think the rise in oil prices ...that coincidences directly with Bush's terms ..is a case of confusion causation with correlation?

There are obviously a plethora of incidents, policies, etc that effect commodity prices..(oil speculators, you named a hurricane, etc)... but you can isolate short term events that cause fluctuations but the overall long term rise coincides with Bush's administration. And although I've made the argument that oil prices will continue to gradually rise anyway (it's a finite commodity finite supply with exponentially increasing demand equals an increase in price)... something has to be said for our policy that has further destabilized the middle east...and prices have a much to do with the instability and uncertainty of those wars as with anything else.... but oil prices always make extreme increases under GOP reigns...literally, look at charts that illustrate the correlation...I'm not calling causation on overall GOP policy but the correlation is definitely there.

It's hard to deny the negative impact that Bush had on practically every aspect of American society...much-less oil prices...he's hard to defend man..